Re: John Beilein to the Cavs

by **Nordic** Fri Jan 10, 2020 9:52 am

Banks2Mason wrote:
AvgMSUJoe wrote:I'm as liberal as the next guy but the political correctness in speech and ok fingers and whatever is crazy. I get the n word, but these newly encoded words are getting to the silly point. Also, righteous indignation over legit things looses its impact if ok fingers is the new n word.

i mean, the OK thing is stupid but it was expressly adopted by neo Nazi jackasses. they're to blame, not "PC culture" or whatever.

holding your right arm straight out at a 45 degree angle isn't inherently evil either, but it was adopted by a certain group and now it is what it is.

Was it though? Read Steve's link. It started as a hoax/online troll job. I think there was also a serial killer in Australia(?) that flashed some version of the OK that perpetuated the myth.

Twitter was a ablaze when the drunk cadets made fools of themselves on TV during the Army/Navy game. Half the people were convinced they were signaling white power. And half took it as the circle game. To me it was clearly the circle game by drunk teenagers ("hey look at me, I'm on TV and got you to look!"). We played this game ad nauseum in HS over 20 years ago and still gets randomly used when you see someone from that past.

Even so, I bet those cadets regretted getting on TV the next morning.

by **steveschneider** Fri Jan 10, 2020 9:59 am

Nordic wrote:
Banks2Mason wrote:

i mean, the OK thing is stupid but it was expressly adopted by neo Nazi jackasses. they're to blame, not "PC culture" or whatever.

holding your right arm straight out at a 45 degree angle isn't inherently evil either, but it was adopted by a certain group and now it is what it is.

Was it though? Read Steve's link. I think there was also a serial killer in Australia(?) that flashed some version of the OK that perpetuated the myth.

Twitter was a ablaze when the drunk cadets made fools of themselves on TV during the Army/Navy game. Half the people were convinced they were signaling white power. And half took it as the circle game. To me it was clearly the circle game by drunk teenagers ("hey look at me, I'm on TV and got you to look!"). We played this game ad nauseum in HS over 20 years ago and still gets randomly used when you see someone from that past.

Even so, I bet those cadets regretted getting on TV the next morning.

Yeah, that ADF article is the best resource I've seen on the whole okay thing. In short the ADF league is good to go with the okay sign but there's been some real asshole hate groups out there using it and a murderer that has flashed it. The ADF also notes the original intent where this controversy started it was done to troll the left.

I also agree with a lot of AVG Joe's core argument, Twitter is bananas with the PC stuff at times as well and you just have to go okay go fuck yourself social justice warrior pukes.

by **Nordic** Fri Jan 10, 2020 10:05 am

tGreenWay wrote:
Banks2Mason wrote:

tGreenWay gonna do about 6 months in free speech jail

You should’ve been there the day I used the term cotton pickin’ on Instagram. Hoo, boy, did that cause a stir.

I’m with DWags on this, though; if it’s a word that upsets others, there’s plenty of other words to use. Except moist. Sorry, ladies, there’s no other way to describe my cakes.

I'm with you. You can't control the way a word might make someone feel. Especially words that have a negative history behind them (the OK thing does not, it's manufactured bullshit).

I learned that 'durag' is a sticky one watching Survivor a few months ago. One of the cast members said it when they got their new buffs. This sparked an emotional response from Jamal, who was very good at expressing why. I've used that word from time to time and was just as ignorant about the origin as the person that said it. It was just a bandana or sweat rag to me.

Instead of paraphrasing, here is the origin https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Do-rag

by AvgMSUJoe Fri Jan 10, 2020 3:22 pm

Nordic wrote:
tGreenWay wrote:

You should’ve been there the day I used the term cotton pickin’ on Instagram. Hoo, boy, did that cause a stir.

I’m with DWags on this, though; if it’s a word that upsets others, there’s plenty of other words to use. Except moist. Sorry, ladies, there’s no other way to describe my cakes.

I'm with you. You can't control the way a word might make someone feel. Especially words that have a negative history behind them (the OK thing does not, it's manufactured bullshit).

I learned that 'durag' is a sticky one watching Survivor a few months ago. One of the cast members said it when they got their new buffs. This sparked an emotional response from Jamal, who was very good at expressing why. I've used that word from time to time and was just as ignorant about the origin as the person that said it. It was just a bandana or sweat rag to me.

Instead of paraphrasing, here is the origin https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Do-rag

See, I don't understand why that's a "negative" connotation... Just because it's primarily an african american cultural thing, why is it negative for others to use? (Like posse, etc.)

Unless, of course, they were using it in a negative context. Which anyone can do with anything....

Also, Why make "do-rag" a PC platform to stand on?

by SawGreen Sat Jan 11, 2020 8:34 am

Jebus. I've read the past few pages and I am so out of touch. So, if I call a white person a thug, am I racist or culturally appropriating the word? I also own several of what I sometimes call a doo/dew-rag. They are awesome for outdoor work. I guess I could call them buffs, but that's a brand, not a term. Maybe I'll go with seamless headband. tWife and I also do a lot of outside work, working in tandem on farm fences and the like where we are sometimes great distances apart. I will be sure to look both ways before flashing any "ok" gestures...what the fuck do I do if there are people around?

by **Heat Miser** Sat Jan 11, 2020 1:31 pm

SawGreen wrote:Jebus. I've read the past few pages and I am so out of touch. So, if I call a white person a thug, am I racist or culturally appropriating the word? I also own several of what I sometimes call a doo/dew-rag. They are awesome for outdoor work. I guess I could call them buffs, but that's a brand, not a term. Maybe I'll go with seamless headband. tWife and I also do a lot of outside work, working in tandem on farm fences and the like where we are sometimes great distances apart. I will be sure to look both ways before flashing any "ok" gestures...what the fuck do I do if there are people around?

Ok gesture with fingers pointed up is fine. Problem solved.

by **Nordic** Sat Jan 11, 2020 1:43 pm

AvgMSUJoe wrote:;]
Nordic wrote:

I'm with you. You can't control the way a word might make someone feel. Especially words that have a negative history behind them (the OK thing does not, it's manufactured bullshit).

I learned that 'durag' is a sticky one watching Survivor a few months ago. One of the cast members said it when they got their new buffs. This sparked an emotional response from Jamal, who was very good at expressing why. I've used that word from time to time and was just as ignorant about the origin as the person that said it. It was just a bandana or sweat rag to me.

Instead of paraphrasing, here is the origin https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Do-rag

See, I don't understand why that's a "negative" connotation... Just because it's primarily an african american cultural thing, why is it negative for others to use? (Like posse, etc.)

Unless, of course, they were using it in a negative context. Which anyone can do with anything....

Also, Why make "do-rag" a PC platform to stand on?

That was my initial thought as well. Then I looked it up...

"Durags were originally worn by poor African American women laborers and slaves in the 19th century."

It wasn't a PC platform. It came up organically on Survivor. It was an interesting/great exchange between the two and timely to this convo. Recap...

by **MiamiSpartan** Sat Jan 11, 2020 2:03 pm

Kind of along these lines, I learned a couple of years ago that saying that black guys have big dicks is offensive. As much as we might think it is a compliment, apparently it is rooted in the post-Civil War South, where there were posters and stories going around that black men were going to rape the white women and it would be especially painful and violent because of their size.

I knew it was a stereotype, but never knew of the offensive history behind it.

by SawGreen Sat Jan 11, 2020 2:10 pm

Ok, well buff it is. I looked up buff and it isn't only the brand, it 's a term for the garment.

But, I also looked up durag/do-rag/etc. and it is a real thing still actively in use today regardless of the history. So, I can easily stop using the term, but if I need to stop wearing the garment ... that ain't happening.

I'm still not clear on the offense, but it's an easy adjustment in language. What do bikers call them because they use them a lot under their helmets?

by AvgMSUJoe Sat Jan 11, 2020 2:42 pm

SawGreen wrote:Ok, well buff it is. I looked up buff and it isn't only the brand, it 's a term for the garment.

But, I also looked up durag/do-rag/etc. and it is a real thing still actively in use today regardless of the history. So, I can easily stop using the term, but if I need to stop wearing the garment ... that ain't happening.

I'm still not clear on the offense, but it's an easy adjustment in language. What do bikers call them because they use them a lot under their helmets?

My polish Grandma wore bandanas for her hair dos when she was out in her garden.

This is like saying slaves wore short pants with pockets when they did their work, so anyone in cargos is a racist fuck.

by **MiamiSpartan** Sat Jan 11, 2020 3:34 pm

SawGreen wrote:Ok, well buff it is. I looked up buff and it isn't only the brand, it 's a term for the garment.

But, I also looked up durag/do-rag/etc. and it is a real thing still actively in use today regardless of the history. So, I can easily stop using the term, but if I need to stop wearing the garment ... that ain't happening.

I'm still not clear on the offense, but it's an easy adjustment in language. What do bikers call them because they use them a lot under their helmets?

They're labeled on the packaging in stores as Do-rag or Du-rag.

by **tGreenWay** Sat Jan 11, 2020 3:44 pm

Heat Miser wrote:
SawGreen wrote:Jebus. I've read the past few pages and I am so out of touch. So, if I call a white person a thug, am I racist or culturally appropriating the word? I also own several of what I sometimes call a doo/dew-rag. They are awesome for outdoor work. I guess I could call them buffs, but that's a brand, not a term. Maybe I'll go with seamless headband. tWife and I also do a lot of outside work, working in tandem on farm fences and the like where we are sometimes great distances apart. I will be sure to look both ways before flashing any "ok" gestures...what the fuck do I do if there are people around?

Ok gesture with fingers pointed up is fine. Problem solved.

Wouldn’t fingers pointed down be mq?

by **tGreenWay** Sat Jan 11, 2020 3:53 pm

MiamiSpartan wrote:Kind of along these lines, I learned a couple of years ago that saying that black guys have big dicks is offensive. As much as we might think it is a compliment, apparently it is rooted in the post-Civil War South, where there were posters and stories going around that black men were going to rape the white women and it would be especially painful and violent because of their size.

I knew it was a stereotype, but never knew of the offensive history behind it.

Definitely true. The white man’s fear of the “black buck” raping their white wives and daughters led to a lot of hangings/lynchings of innocent men and teens.
And while size is/was a stereotype, there is also now available global data showing men in African counties are the most well endowed, while those in Asian countries were, on average, the smallest. The first study I ever read about, several years ago, caused a heck of an uproar with some people.

by **tGreenWay** Sat Jan 11, 2020 3:57 pm

SawGreen wrote:Ok, well buff it is. I looked up buff and it isn't only the brand, it 's a term for the garment.

But, I also looked up durag/do-rag/etc. and it is a real thing still actively in use today regardless of the history. So, I can easily stop using the term, but if I need to stop wearing the garment ... that ain't happening.

I'm still not clear on the offense, but it's an easy adjustment in language. What do bikers call them because they use them a lot under their helmets?

First time I ever heard the term do-rag was on NYPD Blue.

by SawGreen Sat Jan 11, 2020 4:01 pm

tGreenWay wrote:
SawGreen wrote:Ok, well buff it is. I looked up buff and it isn't only the brand, it 's a term for the garment.

But, I also looked up durag/do-rag/etc. and it is a real thing still actively in use today regardless of the history. So, I can easily stop using the term, but if I need to stop wearing the garment ... that ain't happening.

I'm still not clear on the offense, but it's an easy adjustment in language. What do bikers call them because they use them a lot under their helmets?

First time I ever heard the term do-rag was on NYPD Blue.

Obviously you aren't from my West Lansing suburban hood John Beilein to the Cavs - Page 8 502811600

by **tGreenWay** Sat Jan 11, 2020 4:12 pm

SawGreen wrote:
tGreenWay wrote:

First time I ever heard the term do-rag was on NYPD Blue.

Obviously you aren't from my West Lansing suburban hood

Define west Lansing. Waverly grad.

by SawGreen Sat Jan 11, 2020 4:21 pm

tGreenWay wrote:
SawGreen wrote:

Obviously you aren't from my West Lansing suburban hood

Define west Lansing. Waverly grad.

I graduated from Waverly in 83.

by **DWags** Mon Feb 17, 2020 12:36 am

Beilein is gone. Come up to EL and help Izzo in March.

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by **tGreenWay** Mon Feb 17, 2020 12:41 am

That would really chap the asses of those arrogant, uh, you know... asses.

by **kingstonlake** Mon Feb 17, 2020 6:11 am

I don’t know if they hired a better coach but they definitely hired a better recruiter.

by **steveschneider** Mon Feb 17, 2020 6:33 am

He can enjoy being a slug in retirement.

by SawGreen Mon Feb 17, 2020 7:02 am

Good for him. He got paid. I respect the guy, and wish him well. He was hard to root against, and he gave us Juwan.

by **NigelUno** Mon Feb 17, 2020 8:25 am

steveschneider wrote:He can enjoy being a slug in retirement.

Thug. Slug. See...what I meant to say...

by **steveschneider** Mon Feb 17, 2020 9:52 am

NigelUno wrote:
steveschneider wrote:He can enjoy being a slug in retirement.

Thug. Slug. See...what I meant to say...

Everyone on twitter saying Cavs are losing one of the best offensive minds in basketball however in the NBA his opponents are scoring more points than his team.

by **I.B. Fine** Mon Feb 17, 2020 10:02 am

I.B. Fine wrote:
NigelUno wrote:Something doesn't smell right to me.

The 5 year contract he signed last year had a rollover provision every year (so that it always extended out 5 years)...unless one side chose not to extend it. I wonder if UM pulled the plug on the rollover last month.

$0 buyout for Beilein, get more money from 5 yr deal with Cavs, get fired in a couple years, retire and still get paid, never have to hear 'but Harbaugh' ever again.

Even quicker than I expected...Good for Beilein.

by **NigelUno** Mon Feb 17, 2020 10:11 am

I.B. Fine wrote:
I.B. Fine wrote:

$0 buyout for Beilein, get more money from 5 yr deal with Cavs, get fired in a couple years, retire and still get paid, never have to hear 'but Harbaugh' ever again.

Even quicker than I expected...Good for Beilein.

Sounds like they're negotiating a settlement.

by **Watch Out Pylon!** Mon Feb 17, 2020 10:20 am

Slug life.

by **steveschneider** Mon Feb 17, 2020 10:21 am

NigelUno wrote:
I.B. Fine wrote:

Even quicker than I expected...Good for Beilein.

Sounds like they're negotiating a settlement.

Sounds like it as well. If I’m understanding it right looks like Beilein wants to quit?

by **I.B. Fine** Mon Feb 17, 2020 10:57 am

steveschneider wrote:
NigelUno wrote:

Sounds like they're negotiating a settlement.

Sounds like it as well. If I’m understanding it right looks like Beilein wants to quit?

Can you blame him? The NBA is a joke in the first place and the Cavs are a joke within the joke..also,Gilbert is not a good owner...

by **Other Teams Pursuing That** Mon Feb 17, 2020 11:12 am

Why is the nba a joke? They seem to be doing fairly well.

by aualum06 Mon Feb 17, 2020 11:13 am

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:Why is the nba a joke? They seem to be doing fairly well.

Well it's a players league not a coach league

by **I.B. Fine** Mon Feb 17, 2020 11:25 am

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:Why is the nba a joke? They seem to be doing fairly well.

I'm just not a fan, they do great as a business, for sure.
I think Patrick Ewing summed it up the best, 'People complain that pro athletes make a lot of money; but what they don't understand is that we need a lot of money because we spend a lot of money. "

by **Other Teams Pursuing That** Mon Feb 17, 2020 11:37 am

aualum06 wrote:
Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:Why is the nba a joke? They seem to be doing fairly well.

Well it's a players league not a coach league

Sounds like my type of league. I’d rather have the focus point on the athletes rather than some old dude with a clipboard and bad temper.

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