DWags! What's the deal with the boat rowing guy?

I’m wait and see mode and will get back to you after they play penn State and Wisconsin. Their schedule looks like a joke but hey they are scoring some points.

I don’t see PJ Fleck leaving MN for EL unless there is a re-alignment of the Big Ten divisions. He’s got a shot at winning the division more often than having to have OSU, PSU and umaa in the division.

GRR Spartan wrote:I don’t see PJ Fleck leaving MN for EL unless there is a re-alignment of the Big Ten divisions. He’s got a shot at winning the division more often than having to have OSU, PSU and umaa in the division.

Has there even been an example of a big programs coach stealing another programs head coach? I can’t see it happening.

A split with penn state and Wisconsin would be a monumental achievement for them. Their schedule is weak and filled with common type programs. And he’s beating them all. He’s definitely moved the program up in stature.

kingstonlake wrote:A split with penn state and Wisconsin would be a monumental achievement for them. Their schedule is weak and filled with common type programs. And he’s beating them all. He’s definitely moved the program up in stature.

What impressed me most is how quickly he turned things around for Minny. Granted, I don’t recall how low the program got after the guy who followed Jerry Kill left, but it’s an impressive turnaround in a weak division. I’m still not sold on Fleck, and those oars are a joke, but I am jealous of the energy he and his staff project.

Alright I gave it some thought and I have a couple of good ideas for our next coach...

NigelUno wrote:

steveschneider wrote:Alright I gave it some thought and I have a couple of good ideas for our next coach...

Les Miles?

I’ll give my hot take tomorrow. You guys won’t want to miss it.

steveschneider wrote:

GRR Spartan wrote:I don’t see PJ Fleck leaving MN for EL unless there is a re-alignment of the Big Ten divisions. He’s got a shot at winning the division more often than having to have OSU, PSU and umaa in the division.

Has there even been an example of a big programs coach stealing another programs head coach? I can’t see it happening.

Saban?

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

steveschneider wrote:

Has there even been an example of a big programs coach stealing another programs head coach? I can’t see it happening.

Saban?

I meant a big ten team stealing another big ten teams head coach.

DWags wrote:

steveschneider wrote:

Has there even been an example of a big programs coach stealing another programs head coach? I can’t see it happening.

Nick Saban to LSU. Rodgers to ASU. Jimbo to A&M

I’m like you and will wait on what he can do. There is no doubt the Googers are better than what they were. But again, I hope when Dantonio leaves we don’t just try to grab bright shiny objects and think that will work.

Good list I meant a big ten team stealing another big ten teams coach? I could see fleck going somewhere else if he continues to have success but I can’t see it happening with another b10 team.

Probably too late now but I’d row the boat!

DWags wrote:

steveschneider wrote:

Has there even been an example of a big programs coach stealing another programs head coach? I can’t see it happening.

Nick Saban to LSU. Rodgers to ASU. Jimbo to A&M

I’m like you and will wait on what he can do. There is no doubt the Googers are better than what they were. But again, I hope when Dantonio leaves we don’t just try to grab bright shiny objects and think that will work.

Shurmur might not last the season. I hope he isn’t considered.

DWags wrote:

steveschneider wrote:

Has there even been an example of a big programs coach stealing another programs head coach? I can’t see it happening.

Nick Saban to LSU. Rodgers to ASU. Jimbo to A&M

This would part of my concern with Fleck. If he came here and had early success he would probably bolt.

duffy munn wrote:

DWags wrote:

Nick Saban to LSU.  Rodgers to ASU.   Jimbo to A&M  

 

This would part of my concern with Fleck. If he came here and had early success he would probably bolt.

I guess it would depend on the level of success. If we’re talking CFP success, then why leave?

Let’s get a guy who copyrighted the phrase Ride the boat and then we could put little Sperry Topsiders stickers on our helmets.

Or someone who keeps talking about how teams need to Steer the boat and we could put little boat steering wheels on our helmets.

Fleck's contract an Minnesota is comparable to Dantonio's. I could be wrong, but I would doubt we go to stupid money for our next coach.

GRR Spartan wrote:I don’t see PJ Fleck leaving MN for EL unless there is a re-alignment of the Big Ten divisions. He’s got a shot at winning the division more often than having to have OSU, PSU and umaa in the division.

Yeah we missed our chance

Screw fleck I know the perfect replacement.

kingstonlake wrote:

duffy munn wrote:

This would part of my concern with Fleck. If he came here and had early success he would probably bolt.

I guess it would depend on the level of success. If we’re talking CFP success, then why leave?

If he turned things around right way and contended for Indy he would be as hot a name as he could be.

He left a pretty decent gig at Western as his highest point. He will likely do the same to the gophers.

He's a ladder climber and I don't think he would consider MSU the highest wrung.

DWags wrote:

duffy munn wrote:

This would part of my concern with Fleck. If he came here and had early success he would probably bolt.

He isn’t coming here.   He can stay at Minnesota till he wins a division. The easy division.   I’d wait and see.

Some of these same guys wanted Brian Kelly.  The resources and brand he had at ND and he didn’t do anything more impressive than Dantonio has done with less.  

Scared money don’t make money.

Realistic list-Narduzzi (53) know where the land mines are

Way too optimistic list
Iowa State’s Matt Campbell (39)
Cincinnati’s Luke Fickell (46)

Dark Horse list
The U’s OC Dan Enos (51)
New England’s DLine “advisor” Bret Beilema (49)

Moonshot
Auburn’s Gus Malzhan because he’s in the SEC West and Auburn fans think he should beat Alabama and LSU every year. (I suspect if Malzhan leaves this year he’ll go to FSU where Taggert is hanging with his fingernails.

I want someone with a rock solid connection to Ohio. Born there, spent many years recruiting there, whatever. Ohio is a, if not the key component for coaching success at MSU.

I hear ya Wags. Throwing out names is fun and it’s all just speculation and wish list shit. I do want someone who kids want to play for and see their skills getting noticed by scouts and the nfl. Maybe we’re all tainted by a lack of offense but a coach who sees it differently than the current staff would be a welcome change. Offense does win at this level. It’s an arms race. Score 40 or lose if you want to be on the big boy train. I can tell you one think I don’t want. I don’t want a search where MSU “limitations” are a factor. Fuck that shit. Well we can’t do this or do that. Bullshit. You swing for the fences. It can be done. Clemson use to be us. They use to be a catch lightning in a bottle for season type team. They said fuck it get the best assistant out there. You think Clemson SC is some sort of destination type city? It’s a bum fuck town in the middle of no where. You build it baby. We reached a plateau but didn’t want to keep building because we valued loyalty over results. I got no first hand evidence or conversations that can prove it but it sure seems that way. I believe MSU can shove scums hype and BS down their own throats with the right guy. I guy that don’t GAF. I want that guy. I don’t want Holiday bowl guy.

NigelUno wrote:

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:

Yeah we missed our chance

Are you agreeing that he's afraid of competition?  

Yes, yes. That exactly what he’s saying. 

kingstonlake wrote:

NigelUno wrote:

Are you agreeing that he's afraid of competition?  

Yes, yes. That exactly what he’s saying. 

What division 1 head football coach isn’t afraid of competition?

NigelUno wrote:

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:

Yeah we missed our chance

Are you agreeing that he's afraid of competition?

No. PJ is all about PJ and know what jobs are more advantagous to the next job than others. Fleck had been approached by other programs according to a major WMU donor who I know thru business.

Fleck chose Minnesota because Minnesota had pieces in place, it was a power Five job that wasn't Kansas, Rutgers or Vanderbilt and he was following Claeys who had taken over from Jerry Kill and won two bowl games in his two seasons.

Better come back with some answers, Kingston.

NigelUno wrote:

kingstonlake wrote:

Yes, yes. That exactly what he’s saying. 

So, how have we missed our chance then?

Because he (now) doesn't want to compete in the East?

He did before?  

Sigh.