Coronavirus?? We gone?

Where’s the respirators, gauze, masks and essential supplies to deal with the wave that’s going to hit next week? Hospitals in Seattle, New York and Boston have both hands up in the air waving for help and nothing. You read stories of doctors and nurses using the same dirty mask all day, or missing swabs for testing, or lacking the proper safety gear. It’s just sad to watch other countries out perform this country on handling this and the real human cost is coming. It’s go time right now to start rushing supplies to these areas and it’s not happening.

The Pantry wrote:

Turtleneck wrote:https://www.thedailybeast.com/sen-kelly-loeffler-dumped-millions-in-stock-after-coronavirus-briefing?ref=wrap

They were all looking to profit off our pain. Another senator sold stock after private briefings.

Couldn't find anything better during your daily "news" dumpster dive?

A US Senator whose husband is Chairman of the NYSE profited from insider info while millions of Americans portfolios have taken a serious hit. Another Senator also profited (and tipped off donors) while lying to the public that everything was fine.

And your concern is it being discussed on the wrong internet forum?

To be clear, the only people politicizing this thread are the people trying to stifle the American public as we demand answers from our leadership as people die and the economy collapses during a global pandemic.

It's really that simple.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/19/health/coronavirus-masks-shortage.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share

Robert J Sakimano wrote:To be clear, the only people politicizing this thread are the people trying to stifle the American public as we demand answers from our leadership as people die and the economy collapses during a global pandemic.

It's really that simple.

"How well Your Majesty's new clothes look. Aren't they becoming!", "That pattern, so perfect! Those colors, so suitable! It is a magnificent outfit." - The Pantry

Robert J Sakimano wrote:To be clear, the only people politicizing this thread are the people trying to stifle the American public as we demand answers from our leadership as people die and the economy collapses during a global pandemic.

It's really that simple.

I don't know, if someone thinks that tSwill is a platform for the American public to "demand answers from our leadership", they're probably overestimating the readership/influence of this place by a factor of, oh, probably 10 million or so.

MiamiSpartan wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:To be clear, the only people politicizing this thread are the people trying to stifle the American public as we demand answers from our leadership as people die and the economy collapses during a global pandemic.

It's really that simple.

I don't know, if someone thinks that tSwill is a platform for the American public to "demand answers from our leadership", they're probably overestimating the readership/influence of this place by a factor of, oh, probably 10 million or so.

granted, we're all idiots to one degree or another.. and, yes, there are, like, 9 dudes (and Dendro) here..

but trying to stifle people upset at the grotesque leadership in our country because it makes their political senses sad is an unfortunate way to live life.. I would suggest that they take time away from the board as a form of self-care, though they can certainly do and say as they wish.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:To be clear, the only people politicizing this thread are the people trying to stifle the American public as we demand answers from our leadership as people die and the economy collapses during a global pandemic.

It's really that simple.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

MiamiSpartan wrote:

I don't know, if someone thinks that tSwill is a platform for the American public to "demand answers from our leadership", they're probably overestimating the readership/influence of this place by a factor of, oh, probably 10 million or so.

granted, we're all idiots to one degree or another.. and, yes, there are, like, 9 dudes (and Dendro) here..

but trying to stifle people upset at the grotesque leadership in our country because it makes their political senses sad is an unfortunate way to live life.. I would suggest that they take time away from the board as a form of self-care, though they can certainly do and say as they wish.

Well, at least you walked back the drama queen hyperbole from the previous post. That was my point, that it is just ranting and bitching by a couple of people, not demanding answers from the leadership by the American public.

Look, I dont care what you, pantry, or anyone else posts about the politics. You know I post and read over in tBin from time to time. But it always has a way of leading to back and forth sniping and name calling, and basically tons of nonsense posts that drowns out good, rational discussion. The arguing about posting overly-partisan shit has the same result. I admit that I share in the blame for that by posting this, which is why I've avoided this latest restart of this discussion over the past couple of days. I just wanted to say that and will do my part to not contribute to the back and forth nonsense beyond this post.

MiamiSpartan wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
granted, we're all idiots to one degree or another.. and, yes, there are, like, 9 dudes (and Dendro) here..

but trying to stifle people upset at the grotesque leadership in our country because it makes their political senses sad is an unfortunate way to live life.. I would suggest that they take time away from the board as a form of self-care, though they can certainly do and say as they wish.

Well, at least you walked back the drama queen hyperbole from the previous post. That was my point, that it is just ranting and bitching by a couple of people, not demanding answers from the leadership by the American public.

Look, I dont care what you, pantry, or anyone else posts about the politics. You know I post and read over in tBin from time to time. But it always has a way of leading to back and forth sniping and name calling, and basically tons of nonsense posts that drowns out good, rational discussion. The arguing about posting overly-partisan shit has the same result. I admit that I share in the blame for that by posting this, which is why I've avoided this latest restart of this discussion over the past couple of days. I just wanted to say that and will do my part to not contribute to the back and forth nonsense beyond this post.

that's cool, dude. Post what you want.

This thread is going well.

Looking for ideas on how I can help. Anyone have any?

We saw a cause where hospitals are asking people with sewing skills to make masks. I don't know how to sew at all but my wife has me convinced I can cut out a pattern and do simple pinning and this will help her be more productive. I'm stuck inside and want to help. Looking for other ideas. I think this is a time to be patriotic and get shit done.

DWags wrote:So, yesterday my information came from a former BOT member. I think it had some merit and I believe this former BOT member was at a high level meeting it was discussed at.

[tw]1240963798971879426?s=21[/tw]

FWIW, my sister heard the same rumor last night from a highly placed public safety official.

Good luck in jail, Senator.

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Fascinating interview with Dr. David Ho

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2B-rYVWmqoI

Speaks of need for anti-body test.

steveschneider wrote:Looking for ideas on how I can help. Anyone have any?

We saw a cause where hospitals are asking people with sewing skills to make masks. I don't know how to sew at all but my wife has me convinced I can cut out a pattern and do simple pinning and this will help her be more productive. I'm stuck inside and want to help. Looking for other ideas. I think this is a time to be patriotic and get shit done.

local food banks.. donate, maybe check on the need for deliveries. Maybe local schools are working to get resources out to families in need. Check with them. I know East Lansing public schools are.

failing that, just be nice to people. I know it sounds insane, but a smile when you're out on a walk can go a long way. Check in with friends and family. Social isolation hits people very differently. If you think about someone, send them a text. It could mean a lot.

my colleagues and I held a video chat yesterday designed specifically to just see each other, a sort of 'wellness check' - it was designed to last 30 minutes but an hour and a half later, we were all laughing, talking, needling at each other about dogs barking in the back, some people looked half-asleep, barely dressed, etc - - it was actually quite therapeutic.

Heat Miser wrote:

steveschneider wrote:Looking for ideas on how I can help. Anyone have any?

We saw a cause where hospitals are asking people with sewing skills to make masks. I don't know how to sew at all but my wife has me convinced I can cut out a pattern and do simple pinning and this will help her be more productive. I'm stuck inside and want to help. Looking for other ideas. I think this is a time to be patriotic and get shit done.

I'm no doctor, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn once, and homemade medical equipment (or medical equipment made in an auto plant) sounds like trouble to me. How do you sterilize them? What if you and/or your wife already have it?

at the risk of upsetting some people.. the 'greatest country on Earth' is talking about how to make homemade medical supplies.

unreal.

Heat Miser wrote:

steveschneider wrote:Looking for ideas on how I can help. Anyone have any?

We saw a cause where hospitals are asking people with sewing skills to make masks. I don't know how to sew at all but my wife has me convinced I can cut out a pattern and do simple pinning and this will help her be more productive. I'm stuck inside and want to help. Looking for other ideas. I think this is a time to be patriotic and get shit done.

I'm no doctor, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn once, and homemade medical equipment (or medical equipment made in an auto plant) sounds like trouble to me. How do you sterilize them? What if you and/or your wife already have it?

https://www.deaconess.com/SpecialPages/How-to-make-a-Face-Mask?fbclid=IwAR1H25JhviFlqeBjj-LEwCUCGNf-PbJcst4fHxcnXOThUqoTk6CVQ8cuyRM

This is an example of one place asking for it. They collect and sterilize them. Also, I saw on the news doctors in hospitals in surgeries are using masks that are so overused they are falling off their faces, they are dirty and they are re-using the same mask over and over. They are resorting to drastic measures and asking the public to make them at this point.

Nordic wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:To be clear, the only people politicizing this thread are the people trying to stifle the American public as we demand answers from our leadership as people die and the economy collapses during a global pandemic.

It's really that simple.

Here is the flaw in your assumptions Bob. You believe anyone that doesn't want to talk politics here must be a Trump supporter. Or maybe they have their head in the sand. Or not Great Americans. That couldn't be further from the truth. Most of us just don't care to get into the inevitable political pissing match and read the countless pages of nonsense that always follows. It happens every... single... time... politics are injected into a conversation. Not just here, but everywhere. Politics are a polarizing topic for some. Now more than ever. Which is why there is a place for it, so it doesn't infect every conversation.

And yes, this topic (and others) toes the line of politics. The congressman selling stock story is "disgusting" and newsworthy. But when the post opens with, "Does this count as too political?" or "I hope this post doesn't upset some of you", you're just being passive aggressive douche and looking to pick a political fight. Your not looking for a legit conversation about it. If that was the case, most of us wouldn't care. Hell we might actually listen to what you have to say.

No one is stifling the political conversation. There is a place for it so the rest of the discussion can take place.

DWags wrote:

Floyd Robertson wrote:

FWIW, my sister heard the same rumor last night from a highly placed public safety official.

I’m 100% sure the meeting took place and was talked about.

Weird times.

I'm 100% sure it did too. Discussing contingency plans need to happen well in advance of actually needing to execute it. Waiting till it is needs to happen is too late. But then the 'telephone game' starts, like with recruiting and coaching searches. We all just need to remember to take it with a grain of salt.

steveschneider wrote:Looking for ideas on how I can help. Anyone have any?

We saw a cause where hospitals are asking people with sewing skills to make masks. I don't know how to sew at all but my wife has me convinced I can cut out a pattern and do simple pinning and this will help her be more productive. I'm stuck inside and want to help. Looking for other ideas. I think this is a time to be patriotic and get shit done.

Great question, Steve. Thanks for posting this.

Everything Bob said is on the money.

It is so hard because of the social distancing.

Here is something that has worried me: the digital divide. Schools have went to distance learning, and many ISPs are offering free service to low income families and lifting data caps. That is great, but what about the students with inadequate technology? Not every student has a computer at home, and libraries and campuses are shut down. Without public access computers, now that research paper has to be typed out on their phone? Anybody know of resources students in such circumstances can access?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/19/us/hospitals-coronavirus-ppe-shortage.html

"An intensive-care nurse in Illinois was told to make a single-use mask last for five days.

An emergency room doctor in California said her colleagues had started storing dirty masks in plastic containers to use again later with different patients.

A pediatrician in Washington State, trying to make her small stock last, has been spraying each mask with alcohol after use, until it breaks down."

Un fucking acceptable for a health care system this good.

Heat Miser wrote:

steveschneider wrote:

https://www.deaconess.com/SpecialPages/How-to-make-a-Face-Mask?fbclid=IwAR1H25JhviFlqeBjj-LEwCUCGNf-PbJcst4fHxcnXOThUqoTk6CVQ8cuyRM

This is an example of one place asking for it. They collect and sterilize them. Also, I saw on the news doctors in hospitals in surgeries are using masks that are so overused they are falling off their faces, they are dirty and they are re-using the same mask over and over. They are resorting to drastic measures and asking the public to make them at this point.

Good to know. Thanks!

As Bob said though, pretty pathetic that the richest, bestest, most awesomest country in the history of the world has to resort to such a thing.

Yep, going back to Iraq war even though it was unpopular everyone wanted the best armor and safety equipment for our troops. It's the same deal, our medical professionals are the front lines in this 'war'. Lets get them the safety equipment they need. It's unacceptable that our doctors are afraid they don't have the proper equipment and that they are afraid they'll infect their families.

steveschneider wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/19/us/hospitals-coronavirus-ppe-shortage.html

"An intensive-care nurse in Illinois was told to make a single-use mask last for five days.

An emergency room doctor in California said her colleagues had started storing dirty masks in plastic containers to use again later with different patients.

A pediatrician in Washington State, trying to make her small stock last, has been spraying each mask with alcohol after use, until it breaks down."

Un fucking acceptable for a health care system this good expensive.

Fixed

A small PSA here.

If you need to interact with a physician, please be calm and patient with them. ALL of them, regardless of specialty are overloaded with the chaos. Insurance claims are overloaded with home care requests, and we do not have enough nurses. Shit is going to hell, and patients that do not have Coronavirus are taking a huge hit. Everyone within this healthcare system is trying with what we got.

My anxiety levels for the patients I work with are through the roof. Their care is being compromised with all of this, which comprises infants to the elderly.

This is nuts.

Dendrobates wrote:A small PSA here.

If you need to interact with a physician, please be calm and patient with them. ALL of them, regardless of specialty are overloaded with the chaos. Insurance claims are overloaded with home care requests, and we do not have enough nurses. Shit is going to hell, and patients that do not have Coronavirus are taking a huge hit. Everyone within this healthcare system is trying with what we got.

My anxiety levels for the patients I work with are through the roof. Their care is being comprised with all of this, which comprises infants to the elderly.

This is nuts.

I've got my yearly physical scheduled for Monday, which is required for my insurance. They called to confirm my appointment. I was pretty shocked. They said they are not treating sick patients. They are sending them to Beaumont. Still doesn't make me feel any more comfortable about it.

Dendrobates wrote:A small PSA here.

If you need to interact with a physician, please be calm and patient with them. ALL of them, regardless of specialty are overloaded with the chaos. Insurance claims are overloaded with home care requests, and we do not have enough nurses. Shit is going to hell, and patients that do not have Coronavirus are taking a huge hit. Everyone within this healthcare system is trying with what we got.

My anxiety levels for the patients I work with are through the roof. Their care is being comprised with all of this, which comprises infants to the elderly.

This is nuts.

Thanks for sharing.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

steveschneider wrote:Looking for ideas on how I can help. Anyone have any?

We saw a cause where hospitals are asking people with sewing skills to make masks. I don't know how to sew at all but my wife has me convinced I can cut out a pattern and do simple pinning and this will help her be more productive. I'm stuck inside and want to help. Looking for other ideas. I think this is a time to be patriotic and get shit done.

local food banks.. donate, maybe check on the need for deliveries. Maybe local schools are working to get resources out to families in need. Check with them. I know East Lansing public schools are.

failing that, just be nice to people. I know it sounds insane, but a smile when you're out on a walk can go a long way. Check in with friends and family. Social isolation hits people very differently. If you think about someone, send them a text. It could mean a lot.

my colleagues and I held a video chat yesterday designed specifically to just see each other, a sort of 'wellness check' - it was designed to last 30 minutes but an hour and a half later, we were all laughing, talking, needling at each other about dogs barking in the back, some people looked half-asleep, barely dressed, etc - - it was actually quite therapeutic.

Good suggestions.

Nordic wrote:

Dendrobates wrote:A small PSA here.

If you need to interact with a physician, please be calm and patient with them. ALL of them, regardless of specialty are overloaded with the chaos. Insurance claims are overloaded with home care requests, and we do not have enough nurses. Shit is going to hell, and patients that do not have Coronavirus are taking a huge hit. Everyone within this healthcare system is trying with what we got.

My anxiety levels for the patients I work with are through the roof. Their care is being comprised with all of this, which comprises infants to the elderly.

This is nuts.

I've got my yearly physical scheduled for Monday, which is required for my insurance. They called to confirm my appointment. I was pretty shocked. They said they are not treating sick patients. They are sending them to Beaumont. Still doesn't make me feel any more comfortable about it.

Your health is still important. And it’s their choice in how they’re managing thing. Which is great they can do that with everything going on.

Cuomo just implored people to make masks.

Turtleneck wrote:

steveschneider wrote:Looking for ideas on how I can help. Anyone have any?

We saw a cause where hospitals are asking people with sewing skills to make masks. I don't know how to sew at all but my wife has me convinced I can cut out a pattern and do simple pinning and this will help her be more productive. I'm stuck inside and want to help. Looking for other ideas. I think this is a time to be patriotic and get shit done.

Great question, Steve. Thanks for posting this.

Everything Bob said is on the money.

It is so hard because of the social distancing.

Here is something that has worried me: the digital divide. Schools have went to distance learning, and many ISPs are offering free service to low income families and lifting data caps. That is great, but what about the students with inadequate technology? Not every student has a computer at home, and libraries and campuses are shut down. Without public access computers, now that research paper has to be typed out on their phone? Anybody know of resources students in such circumstances can access?

It is going to vary by district. Every district I know or have heard about are different.

Dade County (Miami) had handed out more than 45,000 laptops as of a couple of days ago. They apparently have 200,000 on hand, but are trying to limit the giveaways to those that dont have anything else in their home.

Broward County (Ft Lauderdale) began handing them out today and supposedly have 94,000 available. Also only for those that dont have access to a device at home.

My daughter isn't in public school, so that's obviously very different, but she has been required to have a chromebook since 5th grade (shes in 8th now). They set up school google accounts for all preK-4th grade and they need to use laptops from home. The school loaned out extra chromebooks to students in need.

My nephews down here are in a charter school and they are doing class by zoom on their own computers. I'm not sure what they did for kids that dont have computers.

Meanwhile, as of earlier this week, my nephew's school in Michigan didn't know how they were going to do it. Maybe e-mailing and even snail mailing work and assignments, but that is difficult for some subjects and some grade levels.

So basically that is 5 different school systems that I'm familiar with, and 5 different set ups/processes. Not all districts around the country are going to have laptops available to those in need, so it is going to be tough in places.

Hey S. Florida peeps. Rumors are flying around that we are about to go on lockdown. Supposedly the courts were told to shut down for 2 days. Heat should be able to verify that. I've also seen a video that was supposedly taken in Boca of a train full of tanks heading our way.

That doesn't make sense though, because why would they ruin all the roads with tanks on them.

Anyway, supposedly lockdown for 2 weeks, no going out.

Stock up on your liquor and beer.

https://twitter.com/abbyvesoulis/status/1240994625739018253?s=21

Covid-19 medical bill for an uninsured patient 35k.

MiamiSpartan wrote:

Turtleneck wrote:

Great question, Steve. Thanks for posting this.

Everything Bob said is on the money.

It is so hard because of the social distancing.

Here is something that has worried me: the digital divide. Schools have went to distance learning, and many ISPs are offering free service to low income families and lifting data caps. That is great, but what about the students with inadequate technology? Not every student has a computer at home, and libraries and campuses are shut down. Without public access computers, now that research paper has to be typed out on their phone? Anybody know of resources students in such circumstances can access?

It is going to vary by district. Every district I know or have heard about are different.

Dade County (Miami) had handed out more than 45,000 laptops as of a couple of days ago. They apparently have 200,000 on hand, but are trying to limit the giveaways to those that dont have anything else in their home.

Broward County (Ft Lauderdale) began handing them out today and supposedly have 94,000 available. Also only for those that dont have access to a device at home.

My daughter isn't in public school, so that's obviously very different, but she has been required to have a chromebook since 5th grade (shes in 8th now). They set up school google accounts for all preK-4th grade and they need to use laptops from home. The school loaned out extra chromebooks to students in need.

My nephews down here are in a charter school and they are doing class by zoom on their own computers. I'm not sure what they did for kids that dont have computers.

Meanwhile, as of earlier this week, my nephew's school in Michigan didn't know how they were going to do it. Maybe e-mailing and even snail mailing work and assignments, but that is difficult for some subjects and some grade levels.

So basically that is 5 different school systems that I'm familiar with, and 5 different set ups/processes. Not all districts around the country are going to have laptops available to those in need, so it is going to be tough in places.

Thanks, Miami. I was also thinking about college students. Especially community college students. I think we would be surprised how many depend on campus technology resources.

Nordic wrote:

Nordic wrote:

Here is the flaw in your assumptions Bob. You believe anyone that doesn't want to talk politics here must be a Trump supporter. Or maybe they have their head in the sand. Or not Great Americans. That couldn't be further from the truth. Most of us just don't care to get into the inevitable political pissing match and read the countless pages of nonsense that always follows. It happens every... single... time... politics are injected into a conversation. Not just here, but everywhere. Politics are a polarizing topic for some. Now more than ever. Which is why there is a place for it, so it doesn't infect every conversation.

And yes, this topic (and others) toes the line of politics. The congressman selling stock story is "disgusting" and newsworthy. But when the post opens with, "Does this count as too political?" or "I hope this post doesn't upset some of you", you're just being passive aggressive douche and looking to pick a political fight. Your not looking for a legit conversation about it. If that was the case, most of us wouldn't care. Hell we might actually listen to what you have to say.

No one is stifling the political conversation. There is a place for it so the rest of the discussion can take place.

I'm talking about grotesque incompetence and leadership... you just inserted politics into it.

which is fine.. I don't mind. But some people do.