Elon Musk and Twitter

Zurn wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
being able to make your own decisions is a good thing, dude. .

It is!

And proud union member Bob made the decision to buy a car made by a non-union company in a right-to-work state rather than support his union brothers.

Don't know if Bob's car was built in the US or Japan, but if in Japan it was union made.

Zurn wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
being able to make your own decisions is a good thing, dude. .

It is!

thanks, man.

And proud union member Bob made the decision to buy a car made by a non-union company in a right-to-work state rather than support his union brothers.

I'm also a proud graduate from Michigan State University but that doesn't mean that other folks can't choose to attend the institution of higher education that best fits their needs.

see how that works?? It's pretty amazing when you live a life making your own decisions and not letting things like religion, politics, etc., dictate your happiness.

Trapper Gus wrote:

Zurn wrote:

It is!

And proud union member Bob made the decision to buy a car made by a non-union company in a right-to-work state rather than support his union brothers.

Don't know if Bob's car was built in the US or Japan, but if in Japan it was union made.

Zurn knows more about my car than I do, I'll ask him.

Robert J Sakimano wrote: It's pretty amazing when you live a life making your own decisions

And your decision was to buy a car from a non-union plant in a right to work state with a Republican governor.

Why your friend Cosmo Kramer might call you a scab!

Zurn wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote: It's pretty amazing when you live a life making your own decisions

And your decision was to buy a car from a non-union plant in a right to work state with a Republican governor.

Why your friend Cosmo Kramer might call you a scab!

I know it's foreign to the religious ilk beholden to political ideology, but.. behold, personal freedom..

Zurn, you are really on thin ice here, as according to this link Mazda doesn't build cars in the US (2021).

As I noted before, auto plants in Japan are unionized.

https://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2019/02/where-is-mazda-from-and-where-are-mazdas-made-.html

Robert J Sakimano wrote: personal freedom..

And you used that personal freedom to support non-union workers in a right to work state run by Republicans rather than to support the union movement with your purchase.

Trapper Gus wrote: Zurn, you are really on thin ice here, as according to this link Mazda doesn't build cars in the US (2021).

As I noted before, auto plants in Japan are unionized.

https://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2019/02/where-is-mazda-from-and-where-are-mazdas-made-.html

You think Mazda makes Subaru's?  

TM was correct in his assessment of your automotive knowledge!

Although I did buy a Mazda 626 years ago when they were made by union workers in my home state of Michigan

Zurn wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote: personal freedom..

And you used that personal freedom to support non-union workers in a right to work state run by Republicans rather than to support the union movement with your purchase.  

middle school called and stated that you have passed 'reading comprehension' and can move on to 9th grade.

Congrats!  

Zurn wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote: Zurn, you are really on thin ice here, as according to this link Mazda doesn't build cars in the US (2021).


As I noted before, auto plants in Japan are unionized.

https://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2019/02/where-is-mazda-from-and-where-are-mazdas-made-.html

You think Mazda makes Subaru's?  

TM was correct in his assessment of your automotive knowledge!

Although I did buy a Mazda 626 years ago when they were made by union workers in my home state of Michigan

So I mixed that up, it happens when one really doesn't care that much about whom one is posting to.

Subaru is unionized, however

Zurn wrote:

sεяεηιτλ wrote:

I don't really care, if they want to waste Tesla's money I'm all for it.  I want companies like rivian who have more local operations in Michigan to do better

Me too.

I have always wondered why "buying local" applies to kale and beer but not cars.   I have always owned cars that are made by our local car companies.    Most liberals, while spouting support for unions, can't seem to bring themselves to actually buy a union made car.    From the looks of things Subaru is the current official car of the left.

I'm of the left and I drive a GM car.  But if you want to be a good local buyer, you need to make sure your big 3 car is assembled in Michigan too.  So much is mostly built in Mexico/Canada or even south Korea these days.  Usually the cheaper SUVs meant to compete with the foreign imports ( I think, terrain and maybe equinox?, Chevy Trax, encore, etc)

sεяεηιτλ wrote:

Zurn wrote:

Me too.

I have always wondered why "buying local" applies to kale and beer but not cars.   I have always owned cars that are made by our local car companies.    Most liberals, while spouting support for unions, can't seem to bring themselves to actually buy a union made car.    From the looks of things Subaru is the current official car of the left.

I'm of the left and I drive a GM car.  But if you want to be a good local buyer, you need to make sure your big 3 car is assembled in Michigan too.  So much is mostly built in Mexico/Canada or even south Korea these days.  Usually the cheaper SUVs meant to compete with the foreign imports ( I think, terrain and maybe equinox?, Chevy Trax, encore, etc)

OEMs fabricate the major sheet metal & likely, but not always, engines.  Transmissions, axils, suspension parts, gas tanks, brakes, tires, wheels, electronics, all the interior components including seats and everything on them are typically outsourced.

With so much of the vehicle outsourced it is hard to know how much is made where.

you want to be a good local buyer, you need to make sure your big 3 car is assembled in Michigan too.  So much is mostly built in Mexico/Canada or even south Korea these days.  Usually the cheaper SUVs meant to compete with the foreign imports ( I think, terrain and maybe equinox?, Chevy Trax, encore, etc)

Well, there used to be NAFTA rules that dictated how much of a car had to originate within the US to be considered something, i don't recall the details, perhaps considered "made in USA".  IIRC it was like 70% or something.  So a lot of OEMs actively sought to source parts from united states even if it wasn't cheapest.  It was a good move to support US interests because you're always going to be able to find any given part much cheaper in china.  I'm constantly dealing with this professionally being compared against chinese goods from auto tier buyers.  I really don't give a fuck though, you want a cheap chinese part go get a cheap chinese part.  You'll probably be dealing with recalls at some point then.  Take it or leave it.

I don't know what the rules are now though with the NAFTA replacement.  I don't really care though, engineers are lazy, you drop something in their lap quickly that solves their problem and they are usually going with your part without too much consideration on the price.  So speed is always key

Trapper Gus wrote:

Subaru is unionized, however

My God is there no end to the false shit you will post?

Subaru's Indiana complex located in a right-to-work state with a Republican governor is a non-union plant.  

According to Trapper Bob's car is assembled by Mazda in a unionized factory!

Zurn wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

Subaru is unionized, however

My God is there no end to the false shit you will post?

Subaru's Indiana complex located in a right-to-work state with a Republican governor is a non-union plant.  

According to Trapper Bob's car is assembled by Mazda in a unionized factory!  

That plant has about a 300k per year limit and doesn't build every model.

Subaru sold over 600k vehicles in the US in 2023, and its plants in Japan are unionized.

They probably use that plant geographically, with cars on the coasts being from Japan, but depending on which model Bob has...

Unions bad - Right to Work good

That's why after some recent successful UAW strikes and contract negotiations those Right to Work plants raised wages and changed work rules out of the goodness in their hearts.

I enjoy hearing from the anti-union folks who get 5 day work weeks, overtime and qualify for unemployment benefits if they are laid off, plants close or they are fired for a bs reason.

The other side of the coin is my late uncle who owned a non-union tool and die shop.   He was a major supplier to Michigan based union appliance plant that also had their own tool and die tradesmen.   He knew some of them and knew company mid-level and upper management.  

How did he keep the union out?  He paid $0.50 an hour more than the union shop, closed for major holidays, 1/2 day for Good Friday, Christmas Eve, New Year's Eve.  1 week vacation after 6 months, 2 weeks after first year.  The kicker was he'd close the shop after a 1/2 day on Nov 14 if it fell Monday thru Friday and they got Opening Day for deer season if it was on a work day. That was in 1948 until he sold it to the first engineer he hired in 1970.

That's how you keep your shop non-union.

PS
He was born on a farm in Northern Kent County, learned tool and die as an apprentice, was a shop supervisor for a shop down south during WW2 and mortgaged the family farm to buy his shop after the war.  He was a multi-millionaire when he died.

The federal courts allow employers to use every trick in the book to keep unions out.

Firing workers who try to start a union is just the first step.

We are seeing what Right to Work gets you 30-40 years later.

All those right to work trades have run out of employees to poach and were too cheap to have actual training. Now union trades have opened training sites in West MI and the owners of plumbing, HVAC and electrical shops are crying because the county and community colleges need to expand because they aren't producing enough grads.

Much to the disappointment of our MAGA friends, I drove my freedom car to the mountain bike trails this morning..

Took along a bunch of water, some protein bars and electrolyte tablets. Hopefully that's okay with the religious/political ideologues.  


(by the way, was riding a Specialized 29er hardtail. Hope that meets their standards).

Just got bounced from twitter... Occasionally i comment on the stupid bots just to pass the day or keep wits about me or for some god awful psychological reason i should seek counseling for... Anyway, so idiot said something extremely trumpy about how biden ruined all the good trump did. So i responded i remember record unemployment and toilet paper hoarding... They said something stupid about 1 in a million pandemic... Or something and I responded that they drank some bleach with thier kool aid. And that got me bounced. Paraphrasing trump.
Im going to try just threads for a while but i already got weord errors on here when you goofs link to twitter.

https://apnews.com/article/tesla-earnings-second-quarter-sales-decline-8bdd0d655cddde90f534b41fd87edc4a

Competition heating up for Tesla both in China & the US.

edit - an interesting note about how Tesla is making money...

The Austin, Texas, company said Tuesday that it made $1.48 billion from April through June, less than the $2.7 billion it made in the same period of 2023. It was Tesla’s second-straight quarterly net income decline.

...

During the quarter, Tesla’s revenue from regulatory credits purchased by other automakers who can’t meet government emissions targets hit $890 million for the quarter, double Tesla’s amount of most previous quarters.

$1.48 Billion minus $0.89 Billion equals $0.59 billion, or 60% of Tesla's earnings are due to the US government regulations.

wait a second..

I just heard that the republican/libertarian whiny guy that owns Twitter has a trans kid  he hates and, of course, they hate him in return? I can't imagine why they wouldn't love such a kind, empathy-driven, supportive soul as someone like him.

poor kid - I hope they have access to a supportive network of friends and family. I suspect their sad excuse of a 'father' could've used that same kind of love.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:wait a second..

I just heard that the republican/libertarian whiny guy that owns Twitter has a trans kid  he hates and, of course, they hate him in return? I can't imagine why they wouldn't love such a kind, empathy-driven, supportive soul as someone like him.

poor kid - I hope they have access to a supportive network of friends and family. I suspect their sad excuse of a 'father' could've used that same kind of love.

His kid did a systematic take down of his dad. Surgical. Basically said he was a shitty dad who wasn’t around.

kingstonlake wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:wait a second..

I just heard that the republican/libertarian whiny guy that owns Twitter has a trans kid  he hates and, of course, they hate him in return? I can't imagine why they wouldn't love such a kind, empathy-driven, supportive soul as someone like him.

poor kid - I hope they have access to a supportive network of friends and family. I suspect their sad excuse of a 'father' could've used that same kind of love.

His kid did a systematic take down of his dad. Surgical. Basically said he was a shitty dad who wasn’t around.

no wonder republicans/libertarians love him so much.

kingstonlake wrote:

yikes

It looks like his plan to buy a social media platform to silence his critics isn't working out real well.

Like the rest of his life.

I think we all knew he was a shitty human. It’s just a shame we had to hear it from his kid.

Trapper Gus wrote:

$1.48 Billion minus $0.89 Billion equals $0.59 billion, or 60% of Tesla's earnings are due to the US government regulations.

Thank you and your Green New Deal for your support.

Sincerely,
Elon Musk

White dudes for Harris has raised 4 million for Kamala Harris

Musk just banned them.

Why would anyone continue to support/use his platform?

kingstonlake wrote:White dudes for Harris has raised 4 million for Kamala Harris

Musk just banned them.

Why would anyone continue to support/use his platform?

If Trump wins his plan is to shut down all the media he and his wealthy friends don't control.

Heard he suspended another pro-Harris account, Progressives for Harris. I am old enough to remember when people thought all these tech bros were cool because they wore hoodies to the office and listened to Fugazi.

To be fair I don’t think anyone smart would have ever considered musk a tech bro. He’s a marketer and nothing more. 

Other tech bros are also pro trump now but they’re not the subject of the thread start your own weird tech bro thread

breaking: fragile republican/libertarians are fragile.

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/08/04/elon-musk-pac-investigated-michigan.html

The committee has been acquiring detailed voter information from those living in Michigan and other battleground states after people submit their personal data through a section on the PAC’s website that says “register to vote.”

After clicking on the “register to vote” tab on America PAC’s website, users in states like Michigan can submit a ZIP code, address and phone number. People with a Michigan address are brought to a page that says “thank you” and asks users to “complete the form below” to help wrap up the voter registration process. As of Sunday afternoon, though, there was no other form to complete below the words “thank you.”

Yesterday mama Musk told the Trump rally attendees to vote under 10 different names and vote 10 times under each name.

Trapper Gus wrote:Yesterday mama Musk told the Trump rally attendees to vote under 10 different names and vote 10 times under each name.

so.. what you're saying is that we finally found the source of the 'voter fraud' that republicans/libertarians constantly whine about?

Musk also seized the Twitter handle from a person critical of trump policies @America and gave it to his super PAC to advertise his politics. Musk had previously excused the sentiment that Twitter itself should remain politically neutral so this is a pretty large departure though not unexpected. Twitter is just getting worse and worse under his leadership. At an alarming pace. If it wasn't clear already, it certainly is now that this is malpractice in his duty to his share holders.

Read somewhere that when Musk was on stage with Trump you had two guys who fathered 17 kids with 6 women.

Family values.

Twitter or X as it is now named is a private company, so though there are stockholders there are no shareholders.

WOTS is that the Saudies helped Musk buy it, and it was a political decision.

kingstonlake wrote:Read somewhere that when Musk was on stage with Trump you had two guys who fathered 17 kids with 6 women.

Family values.

christian republican/libertarians have never really been known for their commitment to morality.