This SCOTUS leak has changed my mind.

Motown Spartan wrote:

NumbersDude wrote:

I suppose I am not pro-choice enough.  

I will simplify it for him:
I am pro-freedom. People are different and have different priorities.
 The government should not limit or restrict an individuals freedoms and right of choice.
 My opinion of the federal governments role should be one that ENSURES more freedom and that the States do not infringe on individual rights.
   DWAGs has does not like me as a poster and often post to be contrarian.  And thats fine- I find it entertaining and speaks to his maturity and character.

Before dwags tries to spin it- Abortion is up the the individual not the .gov.

This has nothing to do with race. Although he will furiously try to deflect to towards race as he did already and failed.

It's not that you're not pro-choice enough. It's the fact that you have an opinion about what someone else should or shouldn't do with their body that is bullshit, let alone a woman, ANY woman. For you to be against abortion is sexist and misogynistic.

Motown Spartan wrote:

NumbersDude wrote:

What are you talking about? You are furiously trying to lump me into your stereo types. This thread meanders from abortion to gay rights to racism and now misogynist?
Wow. You are getting desperate. Or just refuse to read.
What makes me a “misogynist”?
This will be hilarious.

You're against a medical procedure. A medical procedure that you can never have. A medical procedure that is very personal and impactful to a woman, that is only the business of a woman and her doctor.

You are against something that is 100% completely none of your fucking business.

That is sexist and misogynistic.

GRR Spartan wrote:NumbersDude is to the point where he’s trolling and doesn’t care.

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ave a uterus, I have no idea what it’s like, but I’m dumb ass enough to say that I’m against it. Personally, I know women who hate when men take that stance.

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duffy munn wrote:

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Unfucking believable

DWags wrote:

duffy munn wrote:

Unfucking believable

Honestly, these sexist misogynistic pieces of shit don’t even realize they are exactly that.  This goes beyond anything.

NumbersDude wrote:

DWags wrote:

Honestly, these sexist misogynistic pieces of shit don’t even realize they are exactly that.  This goes beyond anything.

Don’t you ever get tired of being angry outraged and upset?
People are people.

There are 330 million people in America, they won’t all have the same opinion as you. Probably you should learn to deal with differences in opinion.

Do you ever consider why people have certain political and social leanings? Do you expect everyone to have the same values and priorities as you?

You come off as an angry and dissatisfied or is this place just a release for you?

I come to these sports message boards to show off my MSU prediction skills and to get the opinions of people with different political points of view.
Politically themed boards tend to be echo chambers. Thats kinda boring.
I am really trying to help you out here.

InTenSity wrote:

NumbersDude wrote:

Don’t you ever get tired of being angry outraged and upset?
People are people.

There are 330 million people in America, they won’t all have the same opinion as you. Probably you should learn to deal with differences in opinion.

Do you ever consider why people have certain political and social leanings? Do you expect everyone to have the same values and priorities as you?

You come off as an angry and dissatisfied or is this place just a release for you?

I come to these sports message boards to show off my MSU prediction skills and to get the opinions of people with different political points of view.
Politically themed boards tend to be echo chambers. Thats kinda boring.
I am really trying to help you out here.

You're posting on the political part of the board, so kinda weird message you're putting out there. 330 million people, yup, probably means that the will of less than 20% of them should be dictated to all of them. I don't care about christian taliban fundamentalist. I do consider those that have a poor education and are skeered of change to be dipshits and their opinions to be absolute shit and should be discarded. I really kinda wish that the US would break into 2 different countries. Red states can have their christian taliban and the rest of us can live in relative peace and prosperity. It would actually probably help enrichen the blue states, since they wouldn't have to keep supporting their backwards incestuous cousins anymore.

NumbersDude wrote:

DWags wrote:

Honestly, these sexist misogynistic pieces of shit don’t even realize they are exactly that.  This goes beyond anything.

Don’t you ever get tired of being angry outraged and upset?
People are people.

There are 330 million people in America, they won’t all have the same opinion as you. Probably you should learn to deal with differences in opinion.

Do you ever consider why people have certain political and social leanings? Do you expect everyone to have the same values and priorities as you?  

You come off as an angry and dissatisfied or is this place just a release for you?
 
I come to these sports message boards to show off my MSU prediction skills and to get the opinions of people with different political points of view.
  Politically themed boards tend to be echo chambers. Thats kinda boring.
I am really trying to help you out here.

DWags wrote:

NumbersDude wrote:

Don’t you ever get tired of being angry outraged and upset?
People are people.

There are 330 million people in America, they won’t all have the same opinion as you. Probably you should learn to deal with differences in opinion.

Do you ever consider why people have certain political and social leanings? Do you expect everyone to have the same values and priorities as you?  

You come off as an angry and dissatisfied or is this place just a release for you?
 
I come to these sports message boards to show off my MSU prediction skills and to get the opinions of people with different political points of view.
  Politically themed boards tend to be echo chambers. Thats kinda boring.
I am really trying to help you out here.

You’ll need to excuse me on this subject. The three people I love and respect the most in this world happen to be females.  That you cant see they are losing choice and with that rights and autonomy o er their own body is in you. But the anger I have about this, and I believe the majority of Americans do,  isn’t just on our little message board.  It’s in many places.  So you, as a male, can keep opining as much as you want. We know you’re against abortion, you’ve written it.  So be it.

Dendro. My outrage doesn’t stop here. I promise I will do everything I can to stop this madness. What Justice Barrett said earlier made the hair on my neck stand up. I won’t lose my anger or passion about this.  

De

NumbersDude wrote:

DWags wrote:

You’ll need to excuse me on this subject. The three people I love and respect the most in this world happen to be females.  That you cant see they are losing choice and with that rights and autonomy o er their own body is in you. But the anger I have about this, and I believe the majority of Americans do,  isn’t just on our little message board.  It’s in many places.  So you, as a male, can keep opining as much as you want. We know you’re against abortion, you’ve written it.  So be it.

Dendro. My outrage doesn’t stop here. I promise I will do everything I can to stop this madness. What Justice Barrett said earlier made the hair on my neck stand up. I won’t lose my anger or passion about this.  

De

Having kids, little girls. I have one. I can see how you have a vested interest in this. My parents adopted me and raised me as their own so my point of view on other options other than abortion to include adoption could be quite different than yours.

Justice Barrett- has adopted children. Her point of view on this issue is also skewed. She is only human.

DWags wrote:

NumbersDude wrote:

Having kids, little girls. I have one. I can see how you have a vested interest in this. My parents adopted me and raised me as their own so my point of view on other options other than abortion to include adoption could be quite different than yours.

Justice Barrett- has adopted children. Her point of view on this issue is also skewed. She is only human.

She is a United States Justice of the Supreme Court.

NumbersDude wrote:

DWags wrote:

She is a United States Justice of the Supreme Court.

Its a job she has. Everyone will make decisions interpreting things- the law in her case, based on her education, background and life experiences. Should she? No, justice should be blind.
I don’t hold political figures, famous people and so on to a higher standard. They are only people like you and me with flaws.
She probably sees her beautiful Haitian adopted children whenever she makes a decision. And she would do anything just like you and me to protect them.
You might view her actions as limiting choice, which it is. But she might see her decisions as saving children, children just like hers.

DWags wrote:

NumbersDude wrote:

Its a job she has. Everyone will make decisions interpreting things- the law in her case, based on her education, background and life experiences. Should she? No, justice should be blind.
I don’t hold political figures, famous people and so on to a higher standard. They are only people like you and me with flaws.
She probably sees her beautiful Haitian adopted children whenever she makes a decision. And she would do anything just like you and me to protect them.
You might view her actions as limiting choice, which it is. But she might see her decisions as saving children, children just like hers.

Saving children? “The U.S.needs a domestic supply of infants”.

NumbersDude wrote:

DWags wrote:

Saving children? “The U.S.needs a domestic supply of infants”.

Think about it. She has adopted children from Haiti. On its face, it does not sound good. It could be worded, adoption is also an option and alternative to termination of a pregnancy.

InTenSity wrote:

NumbersDude wrote:

Think about it. She has adopted children from Haiti. On its face, it does not sound good. It could be worded, adoption is also an option and alternative to termination of a pregnancy.

WTF does her having adopted kids from Haiti have to do with her over turning RvW? She's a Gilead hack and some type of fundamentalist. Her personal views are not supposed to influence law, cept she did and she's a taliban christian. Fuck her.

NumbersDude wrote:Getting back on subject.
The SC possible ruling would revert abortion laws back to the states.
1. Congress which the democrats control the house, senate, and white house could draft a law ensuring abortion rights nationally.

NumbersDude wrote:

DWags wrote:

She is a United States Justice of the Supreme Court.

Its a job she has. Everyone will make decisions interpreting things- the law in her case, based on her education, background and life experiences. Should she? No, justice should be blind.
  I don’t hold political figures, famous people and so on to a higher standard. They are only people like you and me with flaws.
  She probably sees her beautiful Haitian adopted children whenever she makes a decision. And she would do anything just like you and me to protect them.
   You might view her actions as limiting choice, which it is. But she might see her decisions as saving children, children just like hers.  

NumbersDude wrote:

DWags wrote:

Honestly, these sexist misogynistic pieces of shit don’t even realize they are exactly that.  This goes beyond anything.

Don’t you ever get tired of being angry outraged and upset?
People are people.

There are 330 million people in America, they won’t all have the same opinion as you. Probably you should learn to deal with differences in opinion.

Do you ever consider why people have certain political and social leanings? Do you expect everyone to have the same values and priorities as you?

You come off as an angry and dissatisfied or is this place just a release for you?

I come to these sports message boards to show off my MSU prediction skills and to get the opinions of people with different political points of view.
Politically themed boards tend to be echo chambers. Thats kinda boring.
I am really trying to help you out here.

DWags wrote:Why don’t republicans like sex between two consenting adults (or more) as recreational fun? Especially if it has nothing to do with them? Wait, maybe I’ve answered my own question. Hmmm

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DWags wrote:Why don’t republicans like sex between two consenting adults (or more) as recreational fun? Especially if it has nothing to do with them? Wait, maybe I’ve answered my own question. Hmmm

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Trapper Gus wrote:

DWags wrote:Why don’t republicans like sex between two consenting adults (or more) as recreational fun? Especially if it has nothing to do with them? Wait, maybe I’ve answered my own question. Hmmm

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I'm afraid they have never progressed beyond a high school level interpretation of Sigmund Freud's ideas.

duffy munn wrote:

NumbersDude wrote:

Don’t you ever get tired of being angry outraged and upset?
People are people.

There are 330 million people in America, they won’t all have the same opinion as you. Probably you should learn to deal with differences in opinion.

Do you ever consider why people have certain political and social leanings? Do you expect everyone to have the same values and priorities as you?

You come off as an angry and dissatisfied or is this place just a release for you?

I come to these sports message boards to show off my MSU prediction skills and to get the opinions of people with different political points of view.
Politically themed boards tend to be echo chambers. Thats kinda boring.
I am really trying to help you out here.

Jesus dude. STFU

Trapper Gus wrote:

NumbersDude wrote:

Its a job she has. Everyone will make decisions interpreting things- the law in her case, based on her education, background and life experiences. Should she? No, justice should be blind.
  I don’t hold political figures, famous people and so on to a higher standard. They are only people like you and me with flaws.
  She probably sees her beautiful Haitian adopted children whenever she makes a decision. And she would do anything just like you and me to protect them.
   You might view her actions as limiting choice, which it is. But she might see her decisions as saving children, children just like hers.  

However, her job is to be a Supreme Court Justice, which has a set of strict boundaries which the leaked opinion pretty much craps all over.  It isn't even nuance.  The opinion uses false arguments about words "in the Constitution" and writings from before anyone but English Nobility had the privilege to vote or any Rights.

She (They) is (are) absolutely not supposed to use her (their) "feelings" instead of following the law, and this opinion doesn't follow the Constitution or the law.

As the TLTR link points out, using the logic or "words written in the Constitution" means that White Men do not have the Right to vote at all, while Women do.  Just one example of the falseness of that logic.  There are others in the linked article.

Too Long to Read Explanation of How Bad the Altio Opinion Is

edit - another thing to note, Roe was decided 7-2. Four Republican Justices and three Democratic Justices vote for Roe, one each Dem/Rep voted against it. It wasn't a liberal court or a politically split decision. The current court, if they stick to this abomination of an opinion is 5-4, which the court tries to avoid on major opinions, and this vote is split in a partisan manner. Although it has been clear since Bush v Gore, this court is totally broken.

NumbersDude wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

I'm afraid they have never progressed beyond a high school level interpretation of Sigmund Freud's ideas.

Good thing the Governor of Louisiana is a democrat

DWags wrote:Why don’t republicans like sex between two consenting adults (or more) as recreational fun? Especially if it has nothing to do with them? Wait, maybe I’ve answered my own question. Hmmm

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DWags wrote:Why are Republicans on this board against recreational sex among consenting adults?

I’m legitimately curious. Don’t say you aren’t. We really want to know.

NumbersDude wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

However, her job is to be a Supreme Court Justice, which has a set of strict boundaries which the leaked opinion pretty much craps all over.  It isn't even nuance.  The opinion uses false arguments about words "in the Constitution" and writings from before anyone but English Nobility had the privilege to vote or any Rights.

She (They) is (are) absolutely not supposed to use her (their) "feelings" instead of following the law, and this opinion doesn't follow the Constitution or the law.

As the TLTR link points out, using the logic or "words written in the Constitution" means that White Men do not have the Right to vote at all, while Women do.  Just one example of the falseness of that logic.  There are others in the linked article.

Too Long to Read Explanation of How Bad the Altio Opinion Is

edit - another thing to note, Roe was decided 7-2. Four Republican Justices and three Democratic Justices vote for Roe, one each Dem/Rep voted against it. It wasn't a liberal court or a politically split decision. The current court, if they stick to this abomination of an opinion is 5-4, which the court tries to avoid on major opinions, and this vote is split in a partisan manner. Although it has been clear since Bush v Gore, this court is totally broken.

Trapper. I am not defending her, I am trying to guess why she would have that type of decision.

Even if RvW is overturned the issue then reverts to the states.