Future Debt Ceiling Hostage crisis

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:


Sure, I cheer a party

Okay stop.

Right there, that’s your problem. This isn’t sports and cheering for a party is silly nonsense.

Trapper Gus wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

Okay stop.

Right there, that’s your problem. This isn’t sports and cheering for a party is silly nonsense.

It is far more serious than sports, yes, however, you seem to thing there are good ideas on both sides.

I don't, in general, though I have given Republican Presidents, even Trump, credit for some things they have done. Somehow you guys never notice it when I do.

Technically I cheer for the policy wins, which sometimes, like this debt issue, are simply blocking policy losses.

The Republicans, in my opinion, are openly trying to destroy the values and ideals of the United States, over the long term.  They were not always this way, but since Reagan on they have been.  When I say this I am talking about the policies they want, along with the results of those policies, since Reagan.

Cheering for the Democratics is to me cheering for the Democratic policies.

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

It is far more serious than sports, yes, however, you seem to thing there are good ideas on both sides.

I don't, in general, though I have given Republican Presidents, even Trump, credit for some things they have done. Somehow you guys never notice it when I do.

Technically I cheer for the policy wins, which sometimes, like this debt issue, are simply blocking policy losses.

The Republicans, in my opinion, are openly trying to destroy the values and ideals of the United States, over the long term.  They were not always this way, but since Reagan on they have been.  When I say this I am talking about the policies they want, along with the results of those policies, since Reagan.

Cheering for the Democratics is to me cheering for the Democratic policies.

The fact that there are no good ideas on one side does not make all ideas on the other side good and worthy of praise.

sεяεηιτλ wrote:I really wish democrats laid a killing blow to the whole withholding the debt limit as a hostage strategy the republicans employ to essentially erase or reduce things prior (dem) house budgets contained.  That would be fantastic if they figured out how to do that.

I don't know the chances of those efforts failing, and i don't know the mechanics behind actually doing that.  So i'm going to assume if that was not truly on the table, if this "deal" is disliked by both the extreme party elements, the hard line folks, but still passes, it's probably a fine compromise in the end.  Again, wish they would just put this nonsense to bed but if not that then i guess a compromise is OK.

Trapper Gus wrote:

sεяεηιτλ wrote:I really wish democrats laid a killing blow to the whole withholding the debt limit as a hostage strategy the republicans employ to essentially erase or reduce things prior (dem) house budgets contained.  That would be fantastic if they figured out how to do that.

I don't know the chances of those efforts failing, and i don't know the mechanics behind actually doing that.  So i'm going to assume if that was not truly on the table, if this "deal" is disliked by both the extreme party elements, the hard line folks, but still passes, it's probably a fine compromise in the end.  Again, wish they would just put this nonsense to bed but if not that then i guess a compromise is OK.

The fear of the Republicans is that the debt limit law is overturned by the courts so forcing that issue is not in their interest if they want to keep using the debt limit law to gain political advantage, thus they don't want it taken to court.

The fear of the Democratics is that it goes to court and it is upheld, which with the current Supreme Court is a possibility.  That risk is not zero, and until it is tested that threat can still be used in negotiations, so they don't see it as being in their interest either.

So it is unlikely it will ever be tested.

edit - btw, here is some more reporting on how the Republicans are seeing this as a huge loss for their side.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/5/28/2171894/-Furious-Freedom-Caucus-vows-to-scuttle-debt-deal

edit2 - other Republicans calling it a win...

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/05/28/debt-ceiling-conservatives-dusty-johnson-00099116

AvgMSUJoe wrote:

TravelinMan wrote:

My receipt at the check out line? The trend line of my brokerage account? My neighbors trying to get loans? Common sense?

So sorry you infer people are struggling around you. The pandemic has been hard on everyone, but the "soft landing" is occurring whether your chosen media source tells you it is or not. (slowing inflation, extremely low unemployment rate, near record profits for many)

Also, I just got a personal loan without having to even meet the banker, what kind of person is having problems with that?

(& btw, "common sense" isn't a thing in 'merica)

Robert J Sakimano wrote:so what are republicans going to try to do in the next 48 hours or so to screw up the debt ceiling deal in hopes of making America fail?

AvgMSUJoe wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:so what are republicans going to try to do in the next 48 hours or so to screw up the debt ceiling deal in hopes of making America fail?

Well, I'm kinda hoping a trans lady drinks a beer on TV or something to distract them.

TravelinMan wrote:This must be a good deal because no one seems happy about it.

TravelinMan wrote:This must be a good deal because no one seems happy about it.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:ya have to love it when the freedom-lovin' christians who mock a man they claim has dementia get out-negotiated by the man they claim has dementia.

Trapper Gus wrote:

And now to President Biden's desk!

TravelinMan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

And now to President Biden's desk!

And now Uncle Joe can add "avoided financial apocalypse" to his list of "accomplishments."

Trapper Gus wrote:

TravelinMan wrote:

And now Uncle Joe can add "avoided financial apocalypse" to his list of "accomplishments."

"And continued leading the US in the fastest economic recovery from covid on the globe!"

It is a pretty big list, unless you are just listening to RWNJ radio.

TravelinMan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

And now to President Biden's desk!

And now Uncle Joe can add "avoided financial apocalypse" to his list of "accomplishments."

TravelinMan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

"And continued leading the US in the fastest economic recovery from covid on the globe!"

It is a pretty big list, unless you are just listening to RWNJ radio.

Republicans brought the nation to the brink of default with their insistence that they opposed runaway government spending, but their demands did not square with that argument. The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office (CBO) said that the $21 billion cut in funding to the Internal Revenue Service, for example, will result in $40 billion in lost revenue, increasing the deficit by $19 billion.

GRR Spartan wrote:TravelinMan “The Swill’s self proclaimed libertarian” long time GOP voter can’t come to grips with the fact Biden survived a real coup encouraged by the POTUS TravelinMan voted for at least once.

After becoming President all the things TravelinMan and his heroes have predicted haven’t happened.

Things have gone so well the GOP, “conservatives” and “libertarians” have resorted to crisis creation.  Federal Defcit/Budget, Wokeness, return to God, need religion in public schools, “Back the blue”, removing books from school/public libraries and anti LGBT.

Essentially returning to the century old Josef Goebels handbook.

Motown Spartan wrote:But, but, he fell down so he's unfit to be president.

TravelinMan “The Swill’s self proclaimed libertarian” long time GOP voter can’t come to grips with the fact Biden survived a real coup encouraged by the POTUS TravelinMan voted for at least once.

After becoming President all the things TravelinMan and his heroes have predicted haven’t happened.

Things have gone so well the GOP, “conservatives” and “libertarians” have resorted to crisis creation.  Federal Defcit/Budget, Wokeness, return to God, need religion in public schools, “Back the blue”, removing books from school/public libraries and anti LGBT.

Essentially returning to the century old Josef Goebels handbook.

TravelinMan wrote:

GRR Spartan wrote:TravelinMan “The Swill’s self proclaimed libertarian” long time GOP voter can’t come to grips with the fact Biden survived a real coup encouraged by the POTUS TravelinMan voted for at least once.

After becoming President all the things TravelinMan and his heroes have predicted haven’t happened.

Things have gone so well the GOP, “conservatives” and “libertarians” have resorted to crisis creation.  Federal Defcit/Budget, Wokeness, return to God, need religion in public schools, “Back the blue”, removing books from school/public libraries and anti LGBT.

Essentially returning to the century old Josef Goebels handbook.

You know you sound like a lunatic, right? Do you? Really?

TravelinMan wrote:

Motown Spartan wrote:But, but, he fell down so he's unfit to be president.

Yeah, the one at the AF academy probably wasn't even his fault, but it was poorly timed given the questions being raised. I kind of feel bad for him on that one. He's 80. He's gonna bruise like a melon and hurt like hell today. But he can't take a day and rest because "politics." Sad.

Jonathan Lemire, Adam Cancryn, and Jennifer Haberkorn of Politico reported today that White House officials urged allies to downplay their substantial victory on the debt ceiling crisis and the related budget negotiations, afraid of sparking Republican opposition and eager to be seen as the adults in the room.

But they needn’t have worried. Today, President Biden tripped over a sandbag left in his path as he was jogging away from the center stage of the U.S. Air Force Academy graduation in Colorado after giving the commencement address. He appeared fine after the fall, but it is dominating right-wing social media, the debt ceiling crisis already forgotten.

Motown Spartan wrote:

TravelinMan wrote:

You know you sound like a lunatic, right? Do you? Really?

No he doesn't, he's spot on. You know how I know? Because you can't refute any of his points and call him a lunatic instead.

TravelinMan wrote:

Motown Spartan wrote:

No he doesn't, he's spot on. You know how I know? Because you can't refute any of his points and call him a lunatic instead.

I don’t know how many more times I can tell you I’m not a MAGA Republican, nor have I ever voted for one. The fact that you guys don’t believe me tells me your fragile self worth can’t handle the truth.

Trapper Gus wrote:

TravelinMan wrote:

Since President Biden is probably the best President we have had in most of your lifetimes a little cheerleading is very on the mark.

We haven't had a President this skilled at working with Congress to get what he really wants since LBJ.

edit - (I was concerned when his former Chief of Staff left due to exhaustion, but it seems that sleeping Joe has it covered with his new Chief of Staff)

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sεяεηιτλ wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

Since President Biden is probably the best President we have had in most of your lifetimes a little cheerleading is very on the mark.

We haven't had a President this skilled at working with Congress to get what he really wants since LBJ.

edit - (I was concerned when his former Chief of Staff left due to exhaustion, but it seems that sleeping Joe has it covered with his new Chief of Staff)

Good Job Market Continues - AP News

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He does seem capable of governing, even in an era of run-away partisanship. Hard lefties might not like some of the things he includes but that's what it takes to build a list of accomplishments these days.