t2024 presidential election thread. Let’s do this. Biden v. Trump II

[DWags]

Let’s dump all the presidential polls, new stories on the election Trail, if they should have debates right here in this thread

I’ll start:

From the Washington Post

Marc Thiessen:

“The issue facing Trump is not “Never Trump” voters who didn’t support him in the past and won’t vote for him now under any circumstances. It is “Not Trump Again” voters, Americans who are open to his policies — and might have voted for him before — but don’t like how he behaved, particularly after the 2020 election, and supported Haley in the primaries. The former group is unpersuadable; the latter might not be.”

washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/…

[Trapper Gus]

Sure, try to keep the debate over Trump v Biden here and other races on the 2024 elections thread...

So BTW, Trump primary numbers are way below the polls & Biden primary numbers are above the polls.

[DWags]

Sure, try to keep the debate over Trump v Biden here and other races on the 2024 elections thread...

So BTW, Trump primary numbers are way below the polls & Biden primary numbers are above the polls.

Nate silvers latest.

[Trapper Gus]

As detailed in the following link Silver's numbers have been way too slanted to Trump because the polls are way to slanted to Trump.

Add about 10 points to Biden and subtract 10 from Trump to bring the polls within reasonable margin of error.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2024/3/6/2227952/-The-538-GOP-Super-Tuesday-poll-averages-Way-way-off-and-systematically-overestimating-Trump-data?pm_campaign=front_page&pm_source=trending&pm_medium=web

[Trapper Gus]

Also, commentators are noticing that right now Trump is out of jail on bail...

[Spartans4Life]

Excellent opportunity for 3rd party of Manchin and Kennedy. Everyone knows Biden isn't going to be the Dems nominee come November.

[Motown Spartan]

Trumpism causes measles.

[Robert J Sakimano]

lemme guess..

the mainstream media polling is favoring/supporting the best thing that ever happened to them: the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator and convicted rapist.

[DWags]

Excellent opportunity for 3rd party of Manchin and Kennedy. Everyone knows Biden isn't going to be the Dems nominee come November.

That would ensure a Trump victory. And of course that’s what MAGAs are hoping. But frankly a Haley/manchin makes more sense. And of course that’s what Democrats would be hoping for.

[DWags]

Trumpism causes measles.

Also brain worms. Or maybe that’s the opposite.

Chicken/egg.

[AvgMSUJoe]

Good place for this.
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[Trapper Gus]

Excellent opportunity for 3rd party of Manchin and Kennedy. Everyone knows Biden isn't going to be the Dems nominee come November.

Both have said no to no-lables

[Trapper Gus]

Excellent opportunity for 3rd party of Manchin and Kennedy. Everyone knows Biden isn't going to be the Dems nominee come November.

That would ensure a Trump victory. And of course that’s what MAGAs are hoping. But frankly a Haley/manchin makes more sense. And of course that’s what Democrats would be hoping for.

Much of the polling is showing third parties taking more from Trump than Biden.

[Pervis Muldoon]

Excellent opportunity for 3rd party of Manchin and Kennedy. Everyone knows Biden isn't going to be the Dems nominee come November.

I'm part of everyone, and I don't know the future.

[AvgMSUJoe]

Excellent opportunity for 3rd party of Manchin and Kennedy. Everyone knows Biden isn't going to be the Dems nominee come November.

Just like everyone knows supplyside economics is good for the economy and more guns means less gun violence?

[InTenSity]

Who the he'll is Katie Britt? Why aren't these people just shut off when they start lying?

[Nordic]

Who the he'll is Katie Britt? Why aren't these people just shut off when they start lying?

I don’t know, but holy shit was that I kept watching for a bit because I thought she might have an aneurysm on national TV.

I think we can all acknowledge that the border needs to addressed. Like global warming climate change, even the staunches critics can’t say all is well, nothing to see here. But holy shit was she digging in on the fear porn. I’m not afraid of an illegal migrant coming for me Katie. I’m more afraid of a US citizen with a gun. I’m not afraid of China and TikTok. I’m afraid of Putin slaughtering 1000s in Europe.

[Nordic]

t2024 presidential election thread. Let’s do this. Biden v. Trump II

Do we have to?

[DWags]

Who the he'll is Katie Britt? Why aren't these people just shut off when they start lying?

I don’t know, but holy shit was that I kept watching for a bit because I thought she might have an aneurysm on national TV.

I think we can all acknowledge that the border needs to addressed. Like global warming climate change, even the staunches critics can’t say all is well, nothing to see here. But holy shit was she digging in on the fear porn. I’m not afraid of an illegal migrant coming for me Katie. I’m more afraid of a US citizen with a gun. I’m not afraid of China and TikTok. I’m afraid of Putin slaughtering 1000s in Europe.

Had to turn it. I’m at that stage where I’m the old guy that starts feeling embarrassed for the person. Did she not have anyone on staff or in her life to say something?

[Trapper Gus]

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[Trapper Gus]

https://apnews.com/article/no-labels-election-2024-2859270c8a1e52b8cb92d2e6fd166e5b

It is pretty well known that the money behind no-lables wants Trump & the Retrumpians to win, but AP can't be bothered to mention it.

[Trapper Gus]

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Home run!

[DWags]

I say do exactly this. Embrace the elephant in the room. Dude is old. Slap that fact on the back acknowledge it and move on.

Effective?

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[kingstonlake]

No labels floating Geoff Duncan?  Former Lt Governor of Georgia. Trump critic on overturning 2020 election. Probably would peel enough fake Dems to make Georgia a lock for Trump.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/former-georgia-gop-lt-gov-geoff-duncan-consideration/story?id=107940453

"So now the uncomfortable part: admitting to your neighbors the ends don't justify the means any longer," he wrote.
"Trump has become incapable of leading in a respectable or mature way. Until more of us are willing to acknowledge that hard truth, we will be on the outside looking in."

[Trapper Gus]

No labels floating Geoff Duncan?  Former Lt Governor of Georgia. Trump critic on overturning 2020 election. Probably would peel enough fake Dems to make Georgia a lock for Trump.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/former-georgia-gop-lt-gov-geoff-duncan-consideration/story?id=107940453

"So now the uncomfortable part: admitting to your neighbors the ends don't justify the means any longer," he wrote.
"Trump has become incapable of leading in a respectable or mature way. Until more of us are willing to acknowledge that hard truth, we will be on the outside looking in."

Only the political unaware don't know that no-lables is a startagy to peal voters away from Biden in key states in order to gain EV's for Trump.

[DWags]

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[Trapper Gus]

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Friday night, on Newsmax, Donald Trump Jr. recorded a video announcing that the old Republican Party “no longer exists outside of the D.C. beltway…. The move that happened today…that’s the final blow. People have to understand that America First, the MAGA movement is the new Republican Party. That is conservatism today.”

https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/march-10-2024

[Robert J Sakimano]

saw a clip of George Stephanopolous asking a woman how she can support a candidate who has been found guilty of raping a woman and.... just like that.. the 'pro-life' christian attacked Stephanpolous and the rape victim.

she was really close to saying that court convictions aren't really "proof of anything".. but she didn't take it quite that far. She just ridiculed the rape victim.

[Trapper Gus]

As a journalist, it’s not my instinct to be advocating for a particular candidate, but these are not normal times when it’s sufficient to broadly and neutrally discuss the pros and cons of each party’s candidate in our binary political system. There’s only one candidate in the two major parties that is committed to democracy and the American democratic experiment. There’s only one that rejects dictatorship; does not seek alliance with anti-democratic dictators; believes in the sacred tradition of the peaceful transfer of power; is dedicated to the principles, ideals and responsibilities of self-governance; pursues policies and programs to better the lives of all Americans; and accepts the rule of law and the fundamental principle that no one is above the law.

These are not mere policy differences. These represent the difference between sustaining our way of life or tossing it all away, possibly permanently.

https://america.substack.com/p/a-seismic-moment-for-america

[Zurn]

saw a clip of George Stephanopolous asking a woman how she can support a candidate who has been found guilty of raping a woman

Of course that is not true, but again to anyone on the left:  narrative > truth

she was really close to saying that court convictions aren't really "proof of anything"...

Too bad she didn't say that because court "convictions" aren't really proof of anything.   Why Carlos DeLuna could tell you that ... oh wait ...

[Robert J Sakimano]

saw a clip of George Stephanopolous asking a woman how she can support a candidate who has been found guilty of raping a woman

Of course that is not true, but again to anyone on the left:  narrative > truth

she was really close to saying that court convictions aren't really "proof of anything"...

Too bad she didn't say that because court "convictions" aren't really proof of anything.   Why Carlos DeLuna could tell you that ... oh wait ...

sorry to offend your christian fragility with facts.

[Zurn]

sorry to offend your christian fragility with facts.

Carlos DeLuna was a murderer?

[Robert J Sakimano]

sorry to offend your christian fragility with facts.

Carlos DeLuna was a murderer?

sounds like in the eyes of the courts and the US judicial system he was.

I don't enjoy the luxury of deciding which court decisions I don't support (rape) and which ones I do. I view it as the American judicial system.

that said, I'm glad to see you so vocal about your strong opposition to the death penalty. Most 'pro-life' christians get gleeful in their support of government-sponsored murder. You should take your anti-death penalty enthusiasm to your fellow "pro-life" church goers.

[DWags]

saw a clip of George Stephanopolous asking a woman how she can support a candidate who has been found guilty of raping a woman

Of course that is not true, but again to anyone on the left:  narrative > truth

she was really close to saying that court convictions aren't really "proof of anything"...

Too bad she didn't say that because court "convictions" aren't really proof of anything.   Why Carlos DeLuna could tell you that ... oh wait ...

What’s not true RQA?

Are you saying she didn’t say civic guilt is different than criminal guilt?  

What, exactly, is the right wing allowing him to get away with.

Then, if you would, please answer this:  if you had a daughter and a man wanted to date her, convicted in a criminal court of rape, but he was found guilty in a civic court of sexual abuse, would you be good with him taking your daughter out?   If not, why not?  

I wish Stephanopoulos had asked that question

[kingstonlake]

Mace went on the offensive when she was confronted with her own hypocrisy. Complete brick wall full stop.

Her playing the victim was laughable. Nothing GS said referenced the rape she claimed happened to her. She was made to look like the clown she is. I mean this is a woman who bragged at a church campaign stop that she was late because her husband wanted some ass.

[Robert J Sakimano]

Mace went on the offensive when she was confronted with her own hypocrisy. Complete brick wall full stop.

Her playing the victim was laughable. Nothing GS said referenced the rape she claimed happened to her. She was made to look like the clown she is. I mean this is a woman who bragged at a church campaign stop that she was late because her husband wanted some ass.

yep - can't say I have a lot of respect for people who blame the rape victim (or the judicial system) when asked why they support a rapist.. and she was given the opportunity over and over again.. and she continued to lash out at everyone but the perpetrator.

disgusting but, as with all things coming from the 'pro-life' MAGA christians, not at all surprising.

[Trapper Gus]

Mace went on the offensive when she was confronted with her own hypocrisy. Complete brick wall full stop.

Her playing the victim was laughable. Nothing GS said referenced the rape she claimed happened to her. She was made to look like the clown she is. I mean this is a woman who bragged at a church campaign stop that she was late because her husband wanted some ass.

God forbid that she wanted some ass. Good Christian women hate sex.

[Floyd Robertson]

Who should you vote for, the tax the rich guy or the guy who wants to cut your Social Security benefits?

Biden calls for tax hikes to shore up Social Security as Trump floats entitlement cuts

President Biden released a budget that offered a call for tax increases to shore up Social Security while Donald Trump suggested he would consider entitlement "cutting" if elected this fall.

The back-and-forth between the two candidates Monday showed how Social Security is likely to be a front-burner issue in the coming campaign. It will also be central in the next presidential term no matter who wins this November.

[Trapper Gus]

Joe Biden Suddenly Leads Donald Trump in Multiple Polls

One poll by the Kaiser Family Foundation showed Biden leading Trump 47 percent to 44 percent. There were 1,072 registered voters surveyed between February 20 and 28 in this poll.

Another poll of 1,350 registered voters by Emerson College put Biden ahead of the Republican by two percentage points, 51 percent to 49 percent. The survey was carried out between March 5 and 6.

Of the 6,334 registered voters surveyed by Morning Consult between March 1 and 5, 44 percent would vote for Biden and 43 percent for Trump.

And Biden would beat Trump 43 percent to 42 percent, according to TIPP polling.

Mind you, all of these polls were taken before his State of the Union speech on March 7th, which was watched by over 32 million people and which every major outlet called a homerun:

Polls are pretty much meaningless this far out from an election...

Very Liberal Media Site Link

[Robert J Sakimano]

Joe Biden Suddenly Leads Donald Trump in Multiple Polls

One poll by the Kaiser Family Foundation showed Biden leading Trump 47 percent to 44 percent. There were 1,072 registered voters surveyed between February 20 and 28 in this poll.

Another poll of 1,350 registered voters by Emerson College put Biden ahead of the Republican by two percentage points, 51 percent to 49 percent. The survey was carried out between March 5 and 6.

Of the 6,334 registered voters surveyed by Morning Consult between March 1 and 5, 44 percent would vote for Biden and 43 percent for Trump.

And Biden would beat Trump 43 percent to 42 percent, according to TIPP polling.

Mind you, all of these polls were taken before his State of the Union speech on March 7th, which was watched by over 32 million people and which every major outlet called a homerun:

Polls are pretty much meaningless this far out from an election...

Very Liberal Media Site Link

while polls are meaningless, it would be interesting if they were able to factor in those who watched the SOTU along with the rebuttal where the woman was voluntarily being held hostage in her kitchen and forced to show sympathy for a rapist.

'cause there's no way you could watch that poor woman and be like "THAT is what I'm looking for"!!

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