Re: t2024 presidential election thread. Let’s do this. Biden v. Trump II

[Trapper Gus]

https://coming42.livejournal.com/479179.html

A pretty biting but spot on description of DJT

Please don’t ever link to live journal again I spent years making jokes about just such a scenario before you got here. Real ones will know what I’m talking about.

Okay, still a spot on takedown of Trump...from 2020.

[Trapper Gus]

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https://www.cleveland.com/news/2024/03/our-trump-reporting-upsets-some-readers-but-there-arent-two-sides-to-facts-letter-from-the-editor.html

[Robert J Sakimano]

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https://www.cleveland.com/news/2024/03/our-trump-reporting-upsets-some-readers-but-there-arent-two-sides-to-facts-letter-from-the-editor.html

refreshing to see someone in the mainstream media gets it.

now if that can seep over into the national mainstream media, the network news and those god awful Sunday morning chat shows, that have already contaminated the minds of so many people. I fear it's probably too late, though. At least for a generation.

[Trapper Gus]

[Robert J Sakimano]

how do y'all think the racist, bigoted, christian sexual predator and convicted rapist will try to get out of debating Biden this fall?

the bloated bag of christian filth is clearly deteriorating mentally - years of drug abuse, poor nutrition, lack of exercise and disease are taking their toll on him. I see no way he'll be able to stand on a stage with Biden come late September, early October.

[GRR Spartan]

Trump appearing at a CLOSED press conference at DeVos Hall this pm to rant about immigrants taking advantage of a local tragedy where a 25 year old Ruby Garcia, a quality control supervisor at a local greenhouse was shot and killed by Brandon Ortiz-Vite a 25 yr old man she was dating.  

Ortiz-Viet was in  the US illegally having been deported at least once.

Then another Trump porky. In his remarks claimed he’d spoken to Ruby Garcia’s family. But he didn’t.

https://www.fox17online.com/news/local-news/he-did-not-ruby-garcias-family-says-trump-did-not-speak-with-them-about-young-womans-death

[Trapper Gus]

Hopefully The final (but one fore no-labels) update:

NEW YORK (AP) — The No Labels group said Thursday it will not field a presidential candidate in November after strategists for the bipartisan organization were unable to attract a candidate willing to seize on the widespread dissatisfaction with President Joe Biden and Donald Trump.

Listing the possibles in order with strikeouts for ones not in the running & bold for those declared.

Democratic:
1 - Joe Biden - Has the delegates for the nomination - first to that wire.

1 - Vice President Kamala Harris
2 - California Governor Gavin Newsom
3 - Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer
4 - Senator Bernie Sanders
5 - Senator Elizabeth Warren
6 - Senator Raphael Warnock
7 - Secretary of Transportation Pete Buttigieg
8 - Beto O’Rourke
9 - Stacey Abrams
10 - Senator Cory Booker
11 - Senator Amy Klobuchar
12 - Maryland Governor Wes Moore
13 - Senator Mark Kelly
14 - Senator Tammy Baldwin
15 - Colorado Governor Jared Polis
16 - North Carolina Governor Roy Cooper
17 - Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro
18 - New Jersey Governor Phil Murphy
19 - Illinois Governor JB Pritzker
20 - Rep. Tim Ryan
21 - Ex - Montana Governor Steve Bullock
22 - Senator John Fetterman
24 - US House Representative Ro Khanna
23 - Ex - Judge Cheri Beasley
25 - Gina Raimondo
26 - Marianne Williamson  Maybe yes, Maybe no
27 - Robert F Kennedy Jr
NB - Dean Phillips
NB - Cenk Kadir Uygur


Republican:
1 - Donald Trump - Has the delegates for the nomination - second to that wire.
1a - Florida Governor Ron DeSantis
2 - Ex-VP Mike Pence
3 - Ex Governor Nikki Haley
4 - Georgia Governor Brian Kemp
5 - Virginia Governor Glenn Youngkin
6 - New Hampshire Governor Chris Sununu
7 - South Dakota Governor Kristi Noem
8 - Ex Maryland Governor Larry Hogan
9 - Ex Arkansas Governor Asa Hutchinson
10 - Mike Pompeo
11 - Senator Ted Cruz
13 - Senator Tim Scott
12 - Senator Marco Rubio
14 - Ex New Jersey Governor Chris Christie
15 - John Bolton
16 - Ex US Representative Liz Cheney - not going to join the game, maybe 2028
17 - Larry Elder
18 - Vivek Ramaswamy
ND - Miami Mayor Francis Suarez
ND - Ex US Representative Will Hurd
ND - North Dakota Governor Doug Burgum

No-Lable Party
??
2 - Joe Lieberman?
1 - Joe Manchin
3 - Liz Cheney?
4 - Mitt Romney?
5 - former Governor of Utah Jon Huntsman
6 - fomer New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie

Green Party:
1 - Jill Stein
2 - Cornel West

Independent:
1 - Cornel West

Libertarian
1 - Robert F Kennedy Jr

[Trapper Gus]

...Chinese social media trolls are impersonating Americans to push for a second Trump presidency, and Russian trolls never stopped even after Robert Mueller exposed their 2016 activity.

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— How Trump is tapping into an “authoritarian axis” around the world. Throughout his presidency, Trump trash-talked our allies and embraced the world’s worst dictators, including Putin, Kim, MBS, Orbán, and Xi. They returned the favor: right now, as The New York Times revealed last week, Chinese social media trolls are impersonating Americans to push for a second Trump presidency, and Russian trolls never stopped even after Robert Mueller exposed their 2016 activity. Most recently, MBS and Putin have cut back oil production, like they did just in time for the 2022 midterms, to hurt President Biden (see story below). Most concerning, though, are possible violations of the Logan Act by Trump-aligned people: that law makes it a crime for any American not acting on behalf of the official US government to meddle in foreign policy. The Guardian released a blockbuster investigative report this week suggesting that Trump’s former German ambassador, Richard Grenell (who’s also now a senior executive at Newsmax), is doing something very much like that, traveling around the world on Trump’s behalf to build an “authoritarian axis.” Can you imagine how Trump would have reacted when he was president if Obama or Clinton had dispached one of their former ambassadors to travel the planet sabatoging Trump’s foreign policy? This cries out for a serious FBI investigation.

https://hartmannreport.com/p/saturday-report-4624-the-alabama

[DWags]

...Chinese social media trolls are impersonating Americans to push for a second Trump presidency, and Russian trolls never stopped even after Robert Mueller exposed their 2016 activity.

For over a half of a decade almost 9 years now it’s become so obvious that those countries want Trump as president. I don’t understand where the MAGAs disconnect of that fact comes from. Now guys like Tucker Carlson have become cheerleaders for Russia. That, after a lying organization like Fox has to fire them.

Has any MAGA news organization or prominent talking head ever brought up the question why Russia would want Trump as President?

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It would be genius if "no labels" was actually a democrat brain child where the entire time they appeared to be a sham targeting democrats by siphoning off centrist votes, with the republicans laughing about it the whole time and then at the last minute pick someone like mike pence who will siphon off a lot more republicans and religious zealot votes instead.  The trump camp would have no way of dealing with it or preparing for it and it would actually work. An epic bait and switch

[Travis of the Cosmos]

I’m a big fan of the “democrats are competent and brave strategists” cosplay that comes out around elections it’s adorable

[sεяεηιτλ]

I’m a big fan of the “democrats are competent and brave strategists” cosplay that comes out around elections it’s adorable

lol yeah, i guess one can dream

But what i said would work as long as they keep the secret of who's running it

[tGreenWay]

My new favorite yard sign, as seen today at a friend’s house. That dark Brandon meme makes me laugh.

[Trapper Gus]

[Trapper Gus]

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Starting at 0:57...

If the Republicans… accepted the fact that New York, Maryland, Illinois, California, New Jersey, Connecticut — most of the Northeast is going to go blue, why wouldn’t we put our vote to Bobby and at least get rid of Biden, and get those 28 electoral votes in New York — the card’s a little wrong, it says 26 electoral votes — give those 28 electoral votes to Bobby rather than to Biden, thereby reducing Biden’s 270. And we all know how that works, right? 270 wins the election. If you don’t get to 270, if nobody gets to 270, then Congress picks the President. So who are they going to pick? Who are they going to pick, if it’s a Republican Congress? They’ll pick Trump. So we’re rid of Biden either way. Does everybody follow that?

As Gomer Pyle used to say; "Suprise, Surprise, Surprise"

[Trapper Gus]

...Chinese social media trolls are impersonating Americans to push for a second Trump presidency, and Russian trolls never stopped even after Robert Mueller exposed their 2016 activity.

edit ---

— How Trump is tapping into an “authoritarian axis” around the world. Throughout his presidency, Trump trash-talked our allies and embraced the world’s worst dictators, including Putin, Kim, MBS, Orbán, and Xi. They returned the favor: right now, as The New York Times revealed last week, Chinese social media trolls are impersonating Americans to push for a second Trump presidency, and Russian trolls never stopped even after Robert Mueller exposed their 2016 activity. Most recently, MBS and Putin have cut back oil production, like they did just in time for the 2022 midterms, to hurt President Biden (see story below). Most concerning, though, are possible violations of the Logan Act by Trump-aligned people: that law makes it a crime for any American not acting on behalf of the official US government to meddle in foreign policy. The Guardian released a blockbuster investigative report this week suggesting that Trump’s former German ambassador, Richard Grenell (who’s also now a senior executive at Newsmax), is doing something very much like that, traveling around the world on Trump’s behalf to build an “authoritarian axis.” Can you imagine how Trump would have reacted when he was president if Obama or Clinton had dispached one of their former ambassadors to travel the planet sabatoging Trump’s foreign policy? This cries out for a serious FBI investigation.

https://hartmannreport.com/p/saturday-report-4624-the-alabama

On Sunday, Representative Michael R. Turner (R-OH), chair of the House Intelligence Committee, said it is “absolutely true” that Republican members of Congress are parroting Russian propaganda. “We see directly coming from Russia attempts to mask communications that are anti-Ukraine and pro-Russia messages, some of which we even hear being uttered on the House floor,” he said on CNN’s State of the Union.

Turner was being questioned about an interview in which Representative Michael McCaul (R-TX), chair of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, told Russia specialist Julia Ioffe that “Russian propaganda has made its way into the United States, unfortunately, and it’s infected a good chunk of my party’s base.” McCaul blamed right-wing media. When asked which Republicans he was talking about, McCaul answered that it is “obvious.”

Catherine Belton and Joseph Menn reviewed more than 100 internal Kremlin documents from 2022 and 2023 obtained by a European intelligence service and reported in the Washington Post today that the Russian government is running “an ongoing campaign that seeks to influence congressional and other political debates to stoke anti-Ukraine sentiment.” Kremlin-backed trolls write fake “news articles, social media posts and comments that promote American isolationism, stir fear over the United States’ border security and attempt to amplify U.S. economic and racial tensions” while claiming that “Biden’s policies are leading the U.S. toward collapse.”

Aaron Blake pointed out in the Washington Post that Republicans are increasingly warning that Russian propaganda has fouled their party. Blake notes that Russia specialist Fiona Hill publicly told Republicans during the 2019 impeachment inquiry into Trump that they were repeating “politically driven falsehoods that so clearly advance Russian interests,” but Republicans angrily objected.

edit - adding link as there is more info if anyone wants to see it...

https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/april-8-2024

[Jake from State Farm]

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https://hartmannreport.com/p/saturday-report-4624-the-alabama

On Sunday, Representative Michael R. Turner (R-OH), chair of the House Intelligence Committee, said it is “absolutely true” that Republican members of Congress are parroting Russian propaganda. “We see directly coming from Russia attempts to mask communications that are anti-Ukraine and pro-Russia messages, some of which we even hear being uttered on the House floor,” he said on CNN’s State of the Union.

Turner was being questioned about an interview in which Representative Michael McCaul (R-TX), chair of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, told Russia specialist Julia Ioffe that “Russian propaganda has made its way into the United States, unfortunately, and it’s infected a good chunk of my party’s base.” McCaul blamed right-wing media. When asked which Republicans he was talking about, McCaul answered that it is “obvious.”

Catherine Belton and Joseph Menn reviewed more than 100 internal Kremlin documents from 2022 and 2023 obtained by a European intelligence service and reported in the Washington Post today that the Russian government is running “an ongoing campaign that seeks to influence congressional and other political debates to stoke anti-Ukraine sentiment.” Kremlin-backed trolls write fake “news articles, social media posts and comments that promote American isolationism, stir fear over the United States’ border security and attempt to amplify U.S. economic and racial tensions” while claiming that “Biden’s policies are leading the U.S. toward collapse.”

Aaron Blake pointed out in the Washington Post that Republicans are increasingly warning that Russian propaganda has fouled their party. Blake notes that Russia specialist Fiona Hill publicly told Republicans during the 2019 impeachment inquiry into Trump that they were repeating “politically driven falsehoods that so clearly advance Russian interests,” but Republicans angrily objected.

edit - adding link as there is more info if anyone wants to see it...

https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/april-8-2024

Instagram is overrun with bots. Anything POTUS puts up there is immediately flooded with comments about how bad the economy is or GAZA genocide comments

[Trapper Gus]

[DWags]

Why can’t Dems get this messaging out?

[Robert J Sakimano]

Why can’t Dems get this messaging out?  

I've often thought that Democrats put way too much faith in the American public, in terms of our collective level of intellect and degree of intellectual curiosity.

That's one thing republicans/libertarians absolutely do not do - they know America is an extraordinarily stupid country. They tell the population that Democrats coming for their guns, their bibles.. that brown people are coming to take their jobs - and that the American judicial system and jury trials don't mean anything, and about half the country believes it.

there is a reason why republicans/libertarians demonize education and elevate churches. And the knuckle-scraping masses follow like the gullible imbeciles they've been conditioned to be.

[Trapper Gus]

Americans Are Stupid - But AP Polling Sucks - "Responses of "helped", "neither" and "don't know" are not shown."



Cost of Living - I get why Biden is blamed for the results of covid even though neither is to blame.
Immigration & Boarder Security - Republicans refusing to pay for it and Biden is blamed, doesn't make any sense.
Relations with other countries - Biden gets along with our friends, Trump gets along with our enemies, well they didn't include that bit.
Cost of Health Care - Biden has the highest number of people covered with Health Insurance, Trump tried to opposite, costs rising.
Creating jobs - Trump lost jobs, Biden has created the most ever, people are stupid.
Voting Rights & Election Security - Red States cutting voter's rights & Biden is blamed, people are stupid.
Abortion Laws - Trump's handpicked Justices create chaos, people are stupid.
Climate Chage - Trump wants more greenhouse gases, Biden using IRA to push less greenhouse gases, people are stupid.

https://apnews.com/article/biden-trump-immigration-economy-inflation-abortion-21b95914866c2af3a1e7af8e302dbe27

edit - and another point about Trump & abortion:

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[Robert J Sakimano]

the mainstream media found a black person who loves the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator and convicted rapist.

A Trump supporter who met the former president at an Atlanta Chick-fil-A spoke out Friday against the media's coverage of Black voters, accusing mainstream outlets of "warping" the perception about Trump's popularity in the community.  

oh.. and they were hanging out at Chic Fil A because.. ya know.. jesus loves chicken.      

Caution: Mainstream Media Link

[Trapper Gus]

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[Robert J Sakimano]

I know we're all past the point of how absurd the whole racist, bigoted christian sexual predator and convicted racist movement is - (except for our friends here who support him).

but, it should be consistently stated that someone with his criminal past and current situation of felony charges couldn't get a job working the cash register at the local Speedway.

[Trapper Gus]

https://www.axios.com/2024/05/06/biden-trump-election-swing-states

[Robert J Sakimano]

https://www.axios.com/2024/05/06/biden-trump-election-swing-states

 a post from me in the "Trial Thread" last week.

also important to remember that about 5% of the overall electorate in November, maybe less if you factor in the 4-5 'swing states', will decide the future of American democracy.

If you tell me what turnout is like with people who love and respect their families in Florida, the Philadelphia, Milwaukee, Detroit, Cleveland, Cincinnati, Atlanta, Phoenix, Denver suburbs, I'll tell you who wins the election.

it's almost like people here sit and argue with each other all the time, or use a bunch of big words, etc., failing to understand that true wisdom lies within the more idiotic people like me.  

[Zurn]

At the moment the RCP poll aggregate with no toss ups has Trump with 312 and Biden with 226 Electoral Votes.

For the record, I plan to vote for RFK, Jr. and expect Biden to win.

[Robert J Sakimano]

At the moment the RCP poll aggregate with no toss ups has Trump with 312 and Biden  with 226 Electoral Votes.  

For the record, I plan to vote for RFK, Jr. and expect Biden to win.

yeah - you keep telling us that.    

oh, and I don't see a way that Biden wins... unless your rapist christian hero is in prison or dead. And even then, America is a stupid country - so I wouldn't put anything past the republican/libertarian christian ilk.

[Zurn]

yeah - you keep telling us that.    

Repetitive posting is not allowed around here??

[Trapper Gus]

yeah - you keep telling us that.    

Repetitive posting is not allowed around here??

Bob said more than you quoted...trolling fail on your part.

[Trapper Gus]

The RNC held an annual fundraiser at Mar-a-Lago this past weekend, attended by Republican senators and members of Congress, along with a few hundred morbidly rich individuals.

Two donors paid $1 million to get up on stage to support Trump’s assertion that Jack Smith is a “fucking asshole,” “deranged,” and an “evil thug.” Trump added that Joe Biden is running a “Gestapo administration” and — in an astonishing bit of projection — is a “Manchurian candidate.”

Trump wrapped up his hour-plus rant with dozens of obscenities that showed his commitment to Christian values: one of the million-dollar donors told the crowd that “Donald J. Trump is the person that God has chosen.”

On the other coast, a secret group of billionaires got together in Hollywood last week to support Trump’s hatred for Joe Biden and Democrats. The crowd included, according to Puck News, immigrants Elon Musk (South Africa), David Sacks (South Africa), Peter Thiel (Germany), and Rupert Murdoch (Australia).

https://hartmannreport.com/p/dictators-even-those-who-start-out-bc7

[duffy munn]

For the record, I plan to vote for RFK, Jr. and expect Biden to win.

I don't believe you RQA

[Jake from State Farm]

The RNC held an annual fundraiser at Mar-a-Lago this past weekend, attended by Republican senators and members of Congress, along with a few hundred morbidly rich individuals.

Two donors paid $1 million to get up on stage to support Trump’s assertion that Jack Smith is a “fucking asshole,” “deranged,” and an “evil thug.” Trump added that Joe Biden is running a “Gestapo administration” and — in an astonishing bit of projection — is a “Manchurian candidate.”

Trump wrapped up his hour-plus rant with dozens of obscenities that showed his commitment to Christian values: one of the million-dollar donors told the crowd that “Donald J. Trump is the person that God has chosen.”

On the other coast, a secret group of billionaires got together in Hollywood last week to support Trump’s hatred for Joe Biden and Democrats. The crowd included, according to Puck News, immigrants Elon Musk (South Africa), David Sacks (South Africa), Peter Thiel (Germany), and Rupert Murdoch (Australia).

https://hartmannreport.com/p/dictators-even-those-who-start-out-bc7

God picking Satan to lead his minions. How fitting.

[Robert J Sakimano]

https://hartmannreport.com/p/dictators-even-those-who-start-out-bc7

God picking Satan to lead his minions. How fitting.

and the christians wonder why they're mocked by decent people.

[AvgMSUJoe]

God picking Satan to lead his minions. How fitting.

and the christians wonder why they're mocked by decent people.

christians don't wonder shit... They are clueless and surrounded by their peers.

[Robert J Sakimano]

and the christians wonder why they're mocked by decent people.

christians don't wonder shit... They are clueless and surrounded by their peers.

back when I would drive to North Carolina a lot, we'd always pass "Roadside Jesus" on I-75 in Ohio. It was always a major landmark on our trip (along with the sign for "Big Bone Lick" state park in Kentucky and the "dinosaur statue in Tennessee.. which is actually a dragon)... and our daughter, even when little, would be in the backseat "have we passed Roadside Jesus yet"?

it was basically this huge jesus thing coming up out of a body of water in front of some church.

fast forward a few years and, yep... you guessed it.. Roadside Jesus was struck by lightning and burned to the ground.

a time lapse:








and, of course.. not big on self-awareness and "getting the message".. the christians built him back.

[Rick Saunders]

christians don't wonder shit... They are clueless and surrounded by their peers.

back when I would drive to North Carolina a lot, we'd always pass "Roadside Jesus" on I-75 in Ohio. It was always a major landmark on our trip (along with the sign for "Big Bone Lick" state park in Kentucky and the "dinosaur statue in Tennessee.. which is actually a dragon)... and our daughter, even when little, would be in the backseat "have we passed Roadside Jesus yet"?

it was basically this huge jesus thing coming up out of a body of water in front of some church.

fast forward a few years and, yep... you guessed it.. Roadside Jesus was struck by lightning and burned to the ground.

I know a way to prevent that.

[Trapper Gus]

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/16/us/politics/election-interference-russia-2020-assessment.html

[Zurn]

Didn't bother to read Trapper's link, but are we still pushing that "Russia, Russia, Russia!" thing around here?

[Robert J Sakimano]

Didn't bother to read Trapper's link, but are we still pushing that "Russia, Russia, Russia!" thing around here?  

"we" aren't. The decent folks who love America, traditional American values, democracy and the Constitution are.

those same decent folks know whose side republican/libertarians are on. There's really no point in trying to convince us otherwise.

Though I suspect you will.

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