Re: t2024 presidential election thread. Let’s do this. Biden v. Trump II

[DWags]

The time for a different candidate was two years ago.

And you are just another person falling for the media's and Trump's BS Gish Gallop

Biden won the debate if judged by the truth, but the media and many members of the public can't handle the truth.

You’re a fool.

Tell him why. What has Biden done as commander and chief that scares you? I can tell you what the other guy has done. Tell Trapps what he’s done up to this point that scares you. I’ll respect your answer. I might disagree, but comparatively tell me why Trump over Biden. Beyond a 90 minute debate we have a four year body of work for both.

[GRR Spartan]

DWags, Don't expect answers from a troll.

TravelinMan is a professional. Check the uptick in posting frequency and the times. Its his job.

[Robert J Sakimano]

I predict that when the racist, bigoted, christian sexual predator, convicted rapist and convicted felon wins, he'll die on a coke binge

you heard it here first.

of course, the White House doctor's official statement will indicate that he died of aerobic exhaustion while training for the Ironman.

and you'll have a successful heart attack when that happens

5'10"
172 lbs
RHR = 44 bpm
BP = 118/ m78 mmHg


Doubtful.

[Robert J Sakimano]

You’re a fool.

Tell him why. What has Biden done as commander and chief that scares you? I can tell you what the other guy has done. Tell Trapps what he’s done up to this point that scares you. I’ll respect your answer. I might disagree, but comparatively tell me why Trump over Biden. Beyond a 90 minute debate we have a four year body of work for both.

you don't expect to get a coherent response from a republican/libertarian MAGA christian, do you?

[Cameron]

You Biden simps are fucking ridiculous. Absolutely out of touch with reality. It's beyond pathetic at this point.

Hugely ironic how hard Trapper is gaslighting, considering how much he loves accusing everyone of gaslighting. "Biden was actually totally perfect and won the debate."

Jesus Christ, he's a fucking zombie out there...

[Trapper Gus]

Biden had a horrible night Thursday. But the debate about the debate is misplaced. The only person who should withdraw from the race is Trump.

https://www.inquirer.com/opinion/editorials/first-presidential-debate-joe-biden-donald-trump-withdraw-20240629.html

[Trapper Gus]

You Biden simps are fucking ridiculous. Absolutely out of touch with reality. It's beyond pathetic at this point.

Hugely ironic how hard Trapper is gaslighting, considering how much he loves accusing everyone of gaslighting. "Biden was actually totally perfect and won the debate."

Jesus Christ, he's a fucking zombie out there...

No one but you are claiming anyone is perfect.

You seem to think that "fact free" Trump was better than factual Biden.

The only person on this board that is "simping" is you, for some imaginary candidate who doesn't exist.

[Trapper Gus]

No dude, you and all the sheep who are eating up what the media is feeding you are.

You watch Trump lying his ass off, not saying one truthful thing and Biden refuting his lies with the truth and you suck Trump's dick.

How much more foolish could you be?

Also FWIW, the first polls out after the debate show Biden increasing his lead over Trump...

I don’t need the media to tell me Biden’s head is full of puddling.  Anyone who watched the debate can tell that for themselves.  This has  nothing to do with Trump, other than the fact that Biden’s handlers being selfish are going to doom this country to four years of him.

So to keep that from happening you are voting for Biden and convincing all of your friends to do likewise?

Fact checkers are clear.  Everything Trump said was a lie.  In debating it's called a Gish Gallop, look it up, and without aggressive moderators it is impossible to counter.  Trump's handlers were smart to set him up to do it.  Biden proved once again that having a 247 job and running for president, also a 247 job, is difficult.

BTW on Friday the stock for Trump's "Truth" Social tanked 10%.  Don't know what that means but it doesn't look like winning.

[kingstonlake]

You Biden simps are fucking ridiculous. Absolutely out of touch with reality. It's beyond pathetic at this point.

Hugely ironic how hard Trapper is gaslighting, considering how much he loves accusing everyone of gaslighting. "Biden was actually totally perfect and won the debate."

Jesus Christ, he's a fucking zombie out there...

We’re 8 years into this Trump phenomenon. If you’re caught off guard by Trumps rapid fire “lie a palooza” tactic in a debate then you have no business leading a nation. You don’t have an effective counter debate tactic for it? JFC.  We all knew what he was going to say. 

But here’s the thing. I don’t think they were caught off guard. Bidens team did the best they could with THEIR candidate. And he’s severely compromise. Watch the video of him walking off stage post debate. His team couldn’t enact a plan to counter what Trump was going to do and say because it was impossible. They probably had the tools, they just don’t have the guy with the mental acuity to use them.

[Travis of the Cosmos]

You Biden simps are fucking ridiculous. Absolutely out of touch with reality. It's beyond pathetic at this point.

Hugely ironic how hard Trapper is gaslighting, considering how much he loves accusing everyone of gaslighting. "Biden was actually totally perfect and won the debate."

Jesus Christ, he's a fucking zombie out there...

We’re 8 years into this Trump phenomenon. If you’re caught off guard by Trumps rapid fire “lie a palooza” tactic in a debate then you have no business leading a nation. You don’t have an effective counter debate tactic for it? JFC.  We all knew what he was going to say. 

But here’s the thing. I don’t think they were caught off guard. Bidens team did the best they could with THEIR candidate. And he’s severely compromise. Watch the video of him walking off stage post debate. His team couldn’t enact a plan to counter what Trump was going to do and say because it was impossible. They probably had the tools, they just don’t have the guy with the mental acuity to use them.

Kingston he only spent a week at camp David leading up to the debate prepping for it how could you possibly know with that little time that the guy is going to lie? You can’t expect him to be prepping for more than 6 hours each of those 7 days too so that’s barely any time at all.

[TravelinMan]

You’re a fool.

Tell him why. What has Biden done as commander and chief that scares you? I can tell you what the other guy has done. Tell Trapps what he’s done up to this point that scares you. I’ll respect your answer. I might disagree, but comparatively tell me why Trump over Biden. Beyond a 90 minute debate we have a four year body of work for both.

This isn’t a Trump thing. Trump is an awful candidate. I’ve said that until I’m blue in the face.

This is about Biden looking like Grampa Simpson on a national stage. Get someone else in there to take his place or he’s gonna lose to the worst candidate ever.

[Trapper Gus]

You Biden simps are fucking ridiculous. Absolutely out of touch with reality. It's beyond pathetic at this point.

Hugely ironic how hard Trapper is gaslighting, considering how much he loves accusing everyone of gaslighting. "Biden was actually totally perfect and won the debate."

Jesus Christ, he's a fucking zombie out there...

We’re 8 years into this Trump phenomenon. If you’re caught off guard by Trumps rapid fire “lie a palooza” tactic in a debate then you have no business leading a nation. You don’t have an effective counter debate tactic for it? JFC.  We all knew what he was going to say. 

But here’s the thing. I don’t think they were caught off guard. Bidens team did the best they could with THEIR candidate. And he’s severely compromise. Watch the video of him walking off stage post debate. His team couldn’t enact a plan to counter what Trump was going to do and say because it was impossible. They probably had the tools, they just don’t have the guy with the mental acuity to use them.

Problem is that is a debate, with its time constraints, it is the moderators who are responsible to call out pure lying.

Biden did counter some of Trump's lies but you guys refuse to listen.

It is called a Gish Gallop, look it up, impossible to win against constant lies.

I though you guys are suppose to be smart.

[Trapper Gus]

Tell him why. What has Biden done as commander and chief that scares you? I can tell you what the other guy has done. Tell Trapps what he’s done up to this point that scares you. I’ll respect your answer. I might disagree, but comparatively tell me why Trump over Biden. Beyond a 90 minute debate we have a four year body of work for both.

This isn’t a Trump thing. Trump is an awful candidate. I’ve said that until I’m blue in the face.

This is about Biden looking like Grampa Simpson on a national stage. Get someone else in there to take his place or he’s gonna lose to the worst candidate ever.

I refuse to let your youth and lack of understanding plus your mindless acceptance of what Trump and the media are feeding into your brain be the final word.

Biden's qualifications are the outstanding nuts and bolts job he is doing as president and this is the first election we have had where we can actually compare the job each candidate has done as president.

[kingstonlake]

We’re 8 years into this Trump phenomenon. If you’re caught off guard by Trumps rapid fire “lie a palooza” tactic in a debate then you have no business leading a nation. You don’t have an effective counter debate tactic for it? JFC.  We all knew what he was going to say. 

But here’s the thing. I don’t think they were caught off guard. Bidens team did the best they could with THEIR candidate. And he’s severely compromise. Watch the video of him walking off stage post debate. His team couldn’t enact a plan to counter what Trump was going to do and say because it was impossible. They probably had the tools, they just don’t have the guy with the mental acuity to use them.

Kingston he only spent a week at camp David leading up to the debate prepping for it how could you possibly know with that little time that the guy is going to lie? You can’t expect him to be prepping for more than 6 hours each of those 7 days too so that’s barely any time at all.

That’s a good point. I do think he was caught off guard by Trumps new tactic of repeated mass lies. Very sneaky on Trumps part. No way you can prep or have foreseen that. I STILL CANT BELIEVE TRUMP LIED.

[kingstonlake]

We live in a rapidly changing world. Sometimes in a 24 hour cycle. One thing still remains. Americans, for better or worse, want a President who projects strength or intelligence. I don’t think Obama projected overt strength. But you damn sure knew he could think or “statesman” his way out of a crisis. He projected calm in the face of adversity. Biden doesn’t project strength and I damn sure don’t see him problem solving his way out of a problem. At least that’s what the projection appears.

People see that. It just sucks that his whole strategy is “well I hope the country does the right thing and not vote for that loser trump”

[Zurn]

DWags, Don't expect answers from a troll.

TravelinMan is a professional. Check the uptick in posting frequency and the times. Its his job.

Is TM working the same hours as our President? 10-4?

[Zurn]

That’s a good point. I do think he was caught off guard by Trumps new tactic of repeated mass lies. Very sneaky on Trumps part. No way you can prep or have foreseen that. I STILL CANT BELIEVE TRUMP LIED.

Interesting that one of the liberal spins on the debate is the idea that Biden may have been confused but Trump LIED!!

Interesting in that it was Biden who lied about very specific things that are easily proven as lies.   For example he said the Border Patrol Union endorsed him.   They did not.  He said unemployment was 15% when he took office.  Obvious lie.   He said raising 500 billion dollars from taxing billionaires would pay for Trump's deficit.  Another lie.

[Trapper Gus]

Kingston he only spent a week at camp David leading up to the debate prepping for it how could you possibly know with that little time that the guy is going to lie? You can’t expect him to be prepping for more than 6 hours each of those 7 days too so that’s barely any time at all.

That’s a good point. I do think he was caught off guard by Trumps new tactic of repeated mass lies. Very sneaky on Trumps part. No way you can prep or have foreseen that. I STILL CANT BELIEVE TRUMP LIED.

No, not Biden, who did what he could to call out Trump's lies. CNN's moderators mindless blank stares and "thank you President Trump" responses to his lies were more the problem, and you guys accepting that are too.

Once again the media is showing it can be gamed by bald faced lying.

[Travis of the Cosmos]

You guys it’s gish gallop

[Trapper Gus]

You guys it’s gish gallo

Gish is capitalized

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop

So Biden's choice was to make it all about one of Trump's lies putting all the focus on Trump or do what he did.

[kingstonlake]

You guys it’s gish gallop

Yeah but he’s only been doing it since 2015. This is all relatively new.

[TravelinMan]

Tell him why. What has Biden done as commander and chief that scares you? I can tell you what the other guy has done. Tell Trapps what he’s done up to this point that scares you. I’ll respect your answer. I might disagree, but comparatively tell me why Trump over Biden. Beyond a 90 minute debate we have a four year body of work for both.

you don't expect to get a coherent response from a republican/libertarian MAGA christian, do you?

It’s a beautiful fall afternoon in 2004. Damon Dowdell has thrown his third pick, and taken 4 sacks. As I scream at JLS to get him the fuck out of the game, is this just me being a secret Michigan fan?

Wake up, moron.

[Trapper Gus]

You guys it’s gish gallop

Yeah but he’s only been doing it since 2015. This is all relatively new.

So your theory is that Biden didn't expect this.  That is beyond dumb on your part.

Maybe the Biden campaign wanted everyone to hear Trump's lies for themselves, as usually his speaches full of lies have limited broadcasts, but didn't expect CNN to screw up Biden's sound level & camera angles.

Focus groups of key demographics during the debate all ended up supporting Biden.

Biden's fundraising numbers had one of their better days after the debate.

[Trapper Gus]

you don't expect to get a coherent response from a republican/libertarian MAGA christian, do you?

It’s a beautiful fall afternoon in 2004. Damon Dowdell has thrown his third pick, and taken 4 sacks. As I scream at JLS to get him the fuck out of the game, is this just me being a secret Michigan fan?

Wake up, moron.

You wake up. Biden is Joe Montana.

[TravelinMan]

It’s a beautiful fall afternoon in 2004. Damon Dowdell has thrown his third pick, and taken 4 sacks. As I scream at JLS to get him the fuck out of the game, is this just me being a secret Michigan fan?

Wake up, moron.

You wake up. Biden is Joe Montana.

If you believe that, you’re as senile as Uncle Joe.

[Trapper Gus]

You wake up. Biden is Joe Montana.

If you believe that, you’re as senile as Uncle Joe.

I am aware you mean that differently but I would love to be that smart. So what you said was a compliment, not as you think, a put down.

[Travis of the Cosmos]

Yeah but he’s only been doing it since 2015. This is all relatively new.

So your theory is that Biden didn't expect this.  That is beyond dumb on your part.

Maybe the Biden campaign wanted everyone to hear Trump's lies for themselves, as usually his speaches full of lies have limited broadcasts, but didn't expect CNN to screw up Biden's sound level & camera angles.

Focus groups of key demographics during the debate all ended up supporting Biden.

Biden's fundraising numbers had one of their better days after the debate.

This post is gish gallop

[Trapper Gus]

So your theory is that Biden didn't expect this.  That is beyond dumb on your part.

Maybe the Biden campaign wanted everyone to hear Trump's lies for themselves, as usually his speaches full of lies have limited broadcasts, but didn't expect CNN to screw up Biden's sound level & camera angles.

Focus groups of key demographics during the debate all ended up supporting Biden.

Biden's fundraising numbers had one of their better days after the debate.

This post is gish gallop

My first to points were my opinions, so those don't count in any Gish Gallop.

Of the last two I have already posted links showing the reactions of focus groups, so I will not repeat, you can go find them from yesterday in this thread.

To the final point...

The Biden campaign has raised $27 million starting from the day of the first presidential debate through Friday evening, a campaign spokesperson announced on Saturday.

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2024/06/29/biden-campaign-fundraises-27-million-post-debate.html

Do you really want to challenge me on data?

Yes I know you are trying yo mock the Gish Gallop term, but that doesn't fly in this case.

[Travis of the Cosmos]

This post is gish gallop

My first to points were my opinions, so those don't count in any Gish Gallop.

Of the last two I have already posted links showing the reactions of focus groups, so I will not repeat, you can go find them from yesterday in this thread.

To the final point...

The Biden campaign has raised $27 million starting from the day of the first presidential debate through Friday evening, a campaign spokesperson announced on Saturday.

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2024/06/29/biden-campaign-fundraises-27-million-post-debate.html

Do you really want to challenge me on data?

Yes I know you are trying yo mock the Gish Gallop term, but that doesn't fly in this case.

Are you confused about what the term gish gallop means? You should look it up

[kingstonlake]

So your theory is that Biden didn't expect this.  That is beyond dumb on your part.

Maybe the Biden campaign wanted everyone to hear Trump's lies for themselves, as usually his speaches full of lies have limited broadcasts, but didn't expect CNN to screw up Biden's sound level & camera angles.

Focus groups of key demographics during the debate all ended up supporting Biden.

Biden's fundraising numbers had one of their better days after the debate.

This post is gish gallop

You just need to watch the debate from a different camera angle. It changes everything.

[Robert J Sakimano]

DWags, Don't expect answers from a troll.

TravelinMan is a professional. Check the uptick in posting frequency and the times. Its his job.

Is TM working the same hours as our President? 10-4?

man, that's a lot of time to spend at work.

[Robert J Sakimano]

The sign of a strong political party is when members of the party are critical of their leaders, as it is a atrong indication of how they want to sharpen them in order to serve the public, the greater good.

A sign of a tragically dysfunctional party is when they refuse to see and admit their leader's flaws, regardless of rhe degree of crime, corruption, sexual assault, racism and misogyny is on display.

No surprise that the republicans/libertarians here are mocking Biden (whose 'debate' performance is being amplified by the mainstream media in a very predictable way) and the democrats while not suggesting that their party replace their candidate.

Confirms what us decent folks have known all along.

[TravelinMan]

The sign of a strong political party is when members of the party are critical of their leaders, as it is a atrong indication of how they want to sharpen them in order to serve the public, the greater good.

A sign of a tragically dysfunctional party is when they refuse to see and admit their leader's flaws, regardless of rhe degree of crime, corruption, sexual assault, racism and misogyny is on display.

No surprise that the republicans/libertarians here are mocking Biden (whose 'debate' performance is being amplified by the mainstream media in a very predictable way) and the democrats while not suggesting that their party replace their candidate.

Confirms what us decent folks have known all along.

This has nothing do to with Trump. This is about our commander in chief being a drooling, confused mess.

[Robert J Sakimano]

The sign of a strong political party is when members of the party are critical of their leaders, as it is a atrong indication of how they want to sharpen them in order to serve the public, the greater good.

A sign of a tragically dysfunctional party is when they refuse to see and admit their leader's flaws, regardless of rhe degree of crime, corruption, sexual assault, racism and misogyny is on display.

No surprise that the republicans/libertarians here are mocking Biden (whose 'debate' performance is being amplified by the mainstream media in a very predictable way) and the democrats while not suggesting that their party replace their candidate.

Confirms what us decent folks have known all along.

This has nothing do to with Trump. This is about our commander in chief being a drooling, confused mess.

don't worry - you'll get your christian hero, in all of his cogent and intellectually nuanced glory, back in November.

[Green money]

It's very entertaining reading the socialist group think propping up  and defending a senile old man.

Quite impressive actually.

[TravelinMan]

This has nothing do to with Trump. This is about our commander in chief being a drooling, confused mess.

don't worry - you'll get your christian hero, in all of his cogent and intellectually nuanced glory, back in November.

Yes we will if Resting 25th Amendment Face doesn’t step down.

[DWags]

You Biden simps are fucking ridiculous. Absolutely out of touch with reality. It's beyond pathetic at this point.

Hugely ironic how hard Trapper is gaslighting, considering how much he loves accusing everyone of gaslighting. "Biden was actually totally perfect and won the debate."

Jesus Christ, he's a fucking zombie out there...

Examples of what he’s done. You have 3 1/2 years of work. You have two choices. Both have bodies of work other than a 90 minute debate. One of them will be president.


How will our lives change in your opinion for the better if one is president?

[TravelinMan]

You Biden simps are fucking ridiculous. Absolutely out of touch with reality. It's beyond pathetic at this point.

Hugely ironic how hard Trapper is gaslighting, considering how much he loves accusing everyone of gaslighting. "Biden was actually totally perfect and won the debate."

Jesus Christ, he's a fucking zombie out there...

Examples of what he’s done. You have 3 1/2 years of work. You have two choices. Both have bodies of work other than a 90 minute debate. One of them will be president.


How will our lives change in your opinion for the better if one is president?

Jesus Christ you people are dense. Our lives will be demonstrably worse if Trump is President. And that’s what you’re going to get when you run a fragile old man with the mental capacity of a turnip. How is that hard to understand?

[DWags]

Tell him why. What has Biden done as commander and chief that scares you? I can tell you what the other guy has done. Tell Trapps what he’s done up to this point that scares you. I’ll respect your answer. I might disagree, but comparatively tell me why Trump over Biden. Beyond a 90 minute debate we have a four year body of work for both.

This isn’t a Trump thing. Trump is an awful candidate. I’ve said that until I’m blue in the face.

This is about Biden looking like Grampa Simpson on a national stage. Get someone else in there to take his place or he’s gonna lose to the worst candidate ever.

Annnnnnnndddddd still won’t answer.

3 1/2 years of work. Tell us why you want him out? What has he done in these 3 1/2 years?

[Green money]

This isn’t a Trump thing. Trump is an awful candidate. I’ve said that until I’m blue in the face.

This is about Biden looking like Grampa Simpson on a national stage. Get someone else in there to take his place or he’s gonna lose to the worst candidate ever.

Annnnnnnndddddd still won’t answer.

3 1/2 years of work. Tell us why you want him out? What has he done in these 3 1/2 years?

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