Harris Vs. Trump 2024. The battle to save America. Lets do this.

by **Trapper Gus** 2024-08-29, 08:39

NigelUno wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:
his "assassination attempt" fizzled.. running to check on people who claim to be having a medical emergency at his KKK rally fizzled.

He started sweat-gruntin' his 2-3 word sentences behind bulletproof glasses to remind everyone about the "assassination attempt ".

He will stop at nothing, in terms of the media spotlight you mentioned.

Like him and his christian followers, it's only going to get more and more pathetic.

Most people don't even start following election-related events/issues until after Labor Day. He'll do something to make a scene at or before the debate, if he's brave enough to show up.

They have no issues. They don't care about the American people. It's all about optics and staying out of prison.

I think he's going to slip at the debate, and say something really stupid. Not just his normal stupid rambling.

The Arlington thing is pretty weird & stupid, and his staff has been becoming belligerent, weird & stupid with any question asked about anything.

by **kingstonlake** 2024-08-29, 08:48

I just hope the Harris campaign has E Jean Carroll and the then 13 year old Trump raped at the ready for the debate. Just in case he decides pull something similar to what he did in the debates with Hillary Clinton.

by sεяεηιτλ 2024-08-29, 09:03

kingstonlake wrote:I just hope the Harris campaign has E Jean Carroll and the then 13 year old Trump raped at the ready for the debate. Just in case he decides pull something similar to what he did in the debates with Hillary Clinton.

Not happening though I wish it did. Team Harris is handling and manipulation trump so far far better than the last two campaigns against trump, but even that I predict is a bridge too far for the Harris waltz campaign

by **NigelUno** 2024-08-29, 09:07

sεяεηιτλ wrote:
kingstonlake wrote:I just hope the Harris campaign has E Jean Carroll and the then 13 year old Trump raped at the ready for the debate. Just in case he decides pull something similar to what he did in the debates with Hillary Clinton.

Not happening though I wish it did. Team Harris is handling and manipulation trump so far far better than the last two campaigns against trump, but even that I predict is a bridge too far for the Harris waltz campaign

No audience. Just like the last one.

by **Trapper Gus** 2024-08-29, 09:09

sεяεηιτλ wrote:
kingstonlake wrote:I just hope the Harris campaign has E Jean Carroll and the then 13 year old Trump raped at the ready for the debate. Just in case he decides pull something similar to what he did in the debates with Hillary Clinton.

Not happening though I wish it did. Team Harris is handling and manipulation trump so far far better than the last two campaigns against trump, but even that I predict is a bridge too far for the Harris waltz campaign

How does the Harris campaign keep the mocking of Trump flowing in the MSM?

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2024-08-29, 09:18

Trapper Gus wrote:
NigelUno wrote:

I think he's going to slip at the debate, and say something really stupid. Not just his normal stupid rambling.

The Arlington thing is pretty weird & stupid, and his staff has been becoming belligerent, weird & stupid with any question asked about anything.

seems pretty clear that the internal polling is pretty bad.

if they're behaving like that toward the staff during a disgusting photo op at what is America's most sacred ground, how do you think they're behaving behind closed doors?

by **NigelUno** 2024-08-29, 09:40

People that know he's an asshole > People that don't care that he's an asshole

by **Trapper Gus** 2024-08-29, 09:52

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by sεяεηιτλ 2024-08-29, 10:04

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ROFL, all of his engagement is real? He's had armies of Russian boys/trolls backing him since 2016

by sεяεηιτλ 2024-08-29, 10:07

Trapper Gus wrote:
sεяεηιτλ wrote:

Not happening though I wish it did. Team Harris is handling and manipulation trump so far far better than the last two campaigns against trump, but even that I predict is a bridge too far for the Harris waltz campaign

How does the Harris campaign keep the mocking of Trump flowing in the MSM?

Pretty easy, the people are excited for Kamala = ratings, and nobody has quite strategized and handled trump quite like this so it's news. His squirming is also news. Triple whammy leading to coverage. I think it's mainly social media though, msm following social media's lead. We still have a major problem with msm legitimizing trump though treating his insanity equal to dems

by **Motown Spartan** 2024-08-29, 10:19

I really don’t think he’s trying to win this election. As a matter of fact, I thinks he’s trying to lose. He’s lulling his followers into a false sense of security and some of them likely won’t put the effort into voting because they believe he’s going to win no matter what.

I personally think it’s going to be a landslide the other way but the damn EC is a bitch.

by **Trapper Gus** 2024-08-29, 10:28

Motown Spartan wrote:I really don’t think he’s trying to win this election. As a matter of fact, I thinks he’s trying to lose. He’s lulling his followers into a false sense of security and some of them likely won’t put the effort into voting because they believe he’s going to win no matter what.

I personally think it’s going to be a landslide the other way but the damn EC is a bitch.

It seems pretty obvious to me (IMO) that Trump and the Republicans are planning on totally screwing up the EC counting in a number of states in an effort to reduce the Harris/Walz EC total to below 270 thus throwing the election for President into the US House where Trump will win, due to the way the House elects the President. The ironic possibility, due to how the Veep is selected by the Senate in this case is that we could have a Trump/Walz administration.

edit - I also think we are seeing a blue wave election and the EC shenanigans will not come into play.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2024-08-29, 10:39

Motown Spartan wrote:I really don’t think he’s trying to win this election. As a matter of fact, I thinks he’s trying to lose. He’s lulling his followers into a false sense of security and some of them likely won’t put the effort into voting because they believe he’s going to win no matter what.

I personally think it’s going to be a landslide the other way but the damn EC is a bitch.

he's definitely setting the stage for the usual republican/libertarian whine-a-palooza, recount demands.. BALLOT HARVESTING.. send it to the courts, etc.

between all of that, along with the mainstream media being in the tank for him, Kamala is gonna have to win battleground states by, at least, 3-4% to ward off the Cheez-Whiz fueled, knuckle-scrapin' freedom-screeching and violence that is sure to follow.

by **Trapper Gus** 2024-08-29, 10:58

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
Motown Spartan wrote:I really don’t think he’s trying to win this election. As a matter of fact, I thinks he’s trying to lose. He’s lulling his followers into a false sense of security and some of them likely won’t put the effort into voting because they believe he’s going to win no matter what.

I personally think it’s going to be a landslide the other way but the damn EC is a bitch.
he's definitely setting the stage for the usual republican/libertarian whine-a-palooza, recount demands.. BALLOT HARVESTING.. send it to the courts, etc.

between all of that, along with the mainstream media being in the tank for him, Kamala is gonna have to win battleground states by, at least, 3-4% to ward off the Cheez-Whiz fueled, knuckle-scrapin' freedom-screeching and violence that is sure to follow.

The Swing States, EC votes & Controlling Party in Each:

1 - Arizona (11): Split
2 - Georgia (16): Republicans
3 - Michigan (15): Democratics
4 - Nevada (6): Republicans
5 - North Carolina (16): Split
6 - Pennsylvania (19): Democratics
7 - Wisconsin (10): Split

As far as keeping EC votes from being counted these are the states where it could be done and matter, if Harris wins them.

by **GRR Spartan** 2024-08-29, 12:31

As some here try to sidetrack the thread’s subject, Trump and Vance are moving along with their lie filled campaign stops.

“The Media” is controlled by corporations and those corporations have their Entertainment and Financial VP’s calling the shots. The major networks (broadcast/streaming/cable) are going to do what they need for “stories” about the November election and they will treat it like scripted entertainment for ratings.

It's all about trying capture a dwindling / aging audience.

DonOLD Trump knows all about that with his 1950’s Red scare name calling.

by **MiamiSpartan** 2024-08-29, 12:42

Trapper Gus wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:
he's definitely setting the stage for the usual republican/libertarian whine-a-palooza, recount demands.. BALLOT HARVESTING.. send it to the courts, etc.

between all of that, along with the mainstream media being in the tank for him, Kamala is gonna have to win battleground states by, at least, 3-4% to ward off the Cheez-Whiz fueled, knuckle-scrapin' freedom-screeching and violence that is sure to follow.

The Swing States, EC votes & Controlling Party in Each:

1 - Arizona (11): Split
2 - Georgia (16): Republicans
3 - Michigan (15): Democratics
4 - Nevada (6): Republicans
5 - North Carolina (16): Split
6 - Pennsylvania (19): Democratics
7 - Wisconsin (10): Split

As far as keeping EC votes from being counted these are the states where it could be done and matter, if Harris wins them.

This actually makes me feel a little better about their attempts to do this. Correct me if I'm wrong, but she doesn't need the Republican ones (GA and NV) if she wins PA, MI, and WI. And she definitely doesn't need NC (Biden didnt win NC). I'm not sure about AZ. So two of the three most important are Dem, and the other is split.

But that isn't all that they have up their sleeves.

by **Trapper Gus** 2024-08-29, 12:42

If all of the swing states listed went for Harris, along with all the "safe" states she would have 319 EC votes.

319 - 270 = 49

So, in theory Harris could lose 49 of those votes and still win.

Or said another way, Trump would need to take 50 of those votes off the table to win.

The fewest states to do that would be PA, NC & MI (or GA). That seems unlikely as PA & MI both have Democratic leaders in most of the key state government seats.

Taking PA & MI off the list, Trump would need to block (or win some of) the EC votes from NC, GA, AZ & WI. It appears that NV is pretty much not relevant to any path for a Trump blocking the EC victory for Harris.

BTW if Florida flips to Harris, it is pretty much game over for Trump, ignoring EC blocking tactics.

https://www.electoral-vote.com/

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2024-08-29, 12:46

I realize that this particular horse has left the barn, but I will forever find it mind-boggling that this race is within 1-2% points in 5-6 states.

but then we see the knuckle-scrapers even here at tSwill supporting their christian hero..

just absolute insanity that there is even a discussion about any of this.

by **Trapper Gus** 2024-08-29, 12:53

So, I came across this explanation of what Marx though Communism was, in 1849...

When asked his opinion of Vice President Harris, Trump once again called her “a Marxist,” a reference that would normally be used to refer to someone who agrees with the basic principles outlined by nineteenth-century philosopher Karl Marx in his theory of how society works. In Marx’s era, people in the U.S. and Europe were grappling with what industrialization would mean for the relationship between individual workers, employers, resources, and society. Marx believed that there was a growing conflict between workers and capitalists that would eventually lead to a revolution in which workers would take over the means of production—factories, farms, and so on—and end economic inequality.

There are ways that "workers" could "take over" corporations now, via buying stock. It is also true that fewer & fewer businesses are corporations with publicly traded stock.

by **MiamiSpartan** 2024-08-29, 12:57

It wouldn't shock me if Trump would actually prefer to lose the vote and then take it with bullshit in the courts, just as a way to "prove" that it was stolen in 2020, and claim this time the courts didn't want to let it happen again. He's that obsessed with his 2020 lie.

I don't think he really WANTS to be president. That job requires work.

I'm not sure he cares about being a dictator. He knows he doesn't have many years left, so he can't really take a lot of advantage of that. And I don't think he cares if his sons take over or anything that happens after the day he dies.

But being president is the only thing that will keep him out of countless trials and quite possibly prison. That's his main motivation.

by sεяεηιτλ 2024-08-29, 13:30

Trapper Gus wrote:If all of the swing states listed went for Harris, along with all the "safe" states she would have 319 EC votes.

319 - 270 = 49

So, in theory Harris could lose 49 of those votes and still win.

Or said another way, Trump would need to take 50 of those votes off the table to win.

The fewest states to do that would be PA, NC & MI (or GA). That seems unlikely as PA & MI both have Democratic leaders in most of the key state government seats.

Taking PA & MI off the list, Trump would need to block (or win some of) the EC votes from NC, GA, AZ & WI. It appears that NV is pretty much not relevant to any path for a Trump blocking the EC victory for Harris.

BTW if Florida flips to Harris, it is pretty much game over for Trump, ignoring EC blocking tactics.

https://www.electoral-vote.com/

Florida is a solid red state now. It's not flipping.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2024-08-29, 13:35

MiamiSpartan wrote:It wouldn't shock me if Trump would actually prefer to lose the vote and then take it with bullshit in the courts, just as a way to "prove" that it was stolen in 2020, and claim this time the courts didn't want to let it happen again. He's that obsessed with his 2020 lie.

I don't think he really WANTS to be president. That job requires work.

I'm not sure he cares about being a dictator. He knows he doesn't have many years left, so he can't really take a lot of advantage of that. And I don't think he cares if his sons take over or anything that happens after the day he dies.

But being president is the only thing that will keep him out of countless trials and quite possibly prison. That's his main motivation.

yeah, he doesn't care about America or anyone that lives in America - he's running for president in hopes of staying out of prison.

then, if elected, not only does he get presidential immunity to commit any crime he wants, but he also gets his DOJ to punish every person that he ever felt slighted by.

by **Heat Miser** 2024-08-29, 13:35

sεяεηιτλ wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:If all of the swing states listed went for Harris, along with all the "safe" states she would have 319 EC votes.

319 - 270 = 49

So, in theory Harris could lose 49 of those votes and still win.

Or said another way, Trump would need to take 50 of those votes off the table to win.

The fewest states to do that would be PA, NC & MI (or GA). That seems unlikely as PA & MI both have Democratic leaders in most of the key state government seats.

Taking PA & MI off the list, Trump would need to block (or win some of) the EC votes from NC, GA, AZ & WI. It appears that NV is pretty much not relevant to any path for a Trump blocking the EC victory for Harris.

BTW if Florida flips to Harris, it is pretty much game over for Trump, ignoring EC blocking tactics.

https://www.electoral-vote.com/

Florida is a solid red state now. It's not flipping.

Not as solid as you might think. Only +5 red last I saw (Texas is in that range as well). And there's an abortion measure on the ballot. But I agree, it's not flipping.

by **InTenSity** 2024-08-29, 13:44

Heat Miser wrote:
sεяεηιτλ wrote:

Florida is a solid red state now. It's not flipping.

Not as solid as you might think. Only +5 red last I saw (Texas is in that range as well). And there's an abortion measure on the ballot. But I agree, it's not flipping.

So Miami is supposed to now be 50 50, which isn't great. The mayoral race though had Daniella Levine Cava winning with around 60% of the vote and the MAGA Miami Lakes Mayor Cid only getting 20% of the vote.

I guess what I'm saying is no one is expecting florida, but abortion and weed are on the ballots this fall. I'd really like to see Scott fail as well. Problem is that D's have given up on Florida, or maybe just S. Florida. While in MI, there were political ads every other commercial. I don't really see anything down here.

by **WhiteBoyHatcher** 2024-08-29, 14:35

MiamiSpartan wrote:It wouldn't shock me if Trump would actually prefer to lose the vote and then take it with bullshit in the courts, just as a way to "prove" that it was stolen in 2020, and claim this time the courts didn't want to let it happen again. He's that obsessed with his 2020 lie.

I don't think he really WANTS to be president. That job requires work.

I'm not sure he cares about being a dictator. He knows he doesn't have many years left, so he can't really take a lot of advantage of that. And I don't think he cares if his sons take over or anything that happens after the day he dies.

But being president is the only thing that will keep him out of countless trials and quite possibly prison. That's his main motivation.

Kind of disagree Miami on his motivations. With that guy it always boils down to 2 things - his ego and his bank account. I didn't even need a second of cable news over the past decade to figure that out.

by **Trapper Gus** 2024-08-29, 18:20

Heat Miser wrote:
sεяεηιτλ wrote:

Florida is a solid red state now. It's not flipping.

Not as solid as you might think. Only +5 red last I saw (Texas is in that range as well). And there's an abortion measure on the ballot. But I agree, it's not flipping.

Further reads suggests that Virgina & New Hampshire are also borderline swing states.

by **Heat Miser** 2024-08-29, 18:32

Trapper Gus wrote:
Heat Miser wrote:
sεяεηιτλ wrote:

Florida is a solid red state now. It's not flipping.

Not as solid as you might think. Only +5 red last I saw (Texas is in that range as well). And there's an abortion measure on the ballot. But I agree, it's not flipping.

Further reads suggests that Virgina & New Hampshire are also borderline swing states.

Correct. California, for example, is +20% blue. That's what I'd call "solid". FL, TX, NH, VA are more like "leans" or "probable" IMHO.

by **NigelUno** 2024-08-29, 18:33

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:
MiamiSpartan wrote:It wouldn't shock me if Trump would actually prefer to lose the vote and then take it with bullshit in the courts, just as a way to "prove" that it was stolen in 2020, and claim this time the courts didn't want to let it happen again. He's that obsessed with his 2020 lie.

I don't think he really WANTS to be president. That job requires work.

I'm not sure he cares about being a dictator. He knows he doesn't have many years left, so he can't really take a lot of advantage of that. And I don't think he cares if his sons take over or anything that happens after the day he dies.

But being president is the only thing that will keep him out of countless trials and quite possibly prison. That's his main motivation.

Kind of disagree Miami on his motivations. With that guy it always boils down to 2 things - his ego and his bank account. I didn't even need a second of cable news over the past decade to figure that out.

It didn't take him long to figure out politics was a better grift than he ever imagined.

by **NigelUno** 2024-08-29, 18:39

More fun with graphs and stuff:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2024-election-forecast/

by **MiamiSpartan** 2024-08-29, 19:35

Heat Miser wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:

Further reads suggests that Virgina & New Hampshire are also borderline swing states.

Correct. California, for example, is +20% blue. That's what I'd call "solid". FL, TX, NH, VA are more like "leans" or "probable" IMHO.

But Trump told Dr Phil he would win Califonia if Jesus was the vote counter.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2024-08-29, 20:02

MiamiSpartan wrote:
Heat Miser wrote:

Correct. California, for example, is +20% blue. That's what I'd call "solid". FL, TX, NH, VA are more like "leans" or "probable" IMHO.
But Trump told Dr Phil he would win Califonia if Jesus was the vote counter.

jesus likes rapists?

Reminds me of why I'm not a republican/libertarian.

by **NigelUno** 2024-08-29, 20:23

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
MiamiSpartan wrote:
But Trump told Dr Phil he would win Califonia if Jesus was the vote counter.
jesus likes rapists?

Reminds me of why I'm not a republican/libertarian.

There's a sign on 23 going north. It's either in North Georgia, or just across the border in North Carolina. It says "Let Trump Be Trump", and then is followed by some bible verse.

by **MiamiSpartan** 2024-08-29, 20:53

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
MiamiSpartan wrote:
But Trump told Dr Phil he would win Califonia if Jesus was the vote counter.
jesus likes rapists?

Reminds me of why I'm not a republican/libertarian.

He would be an honest vote counter was Trump's weird point. In other words, California is crooked and that's the only reason he doesn't win Cali. Because a few thousand people showed up to his rally at some rural Trumpy town once and his people drive him through the town so he could see Trump signs. And then he thinks that's representative of California.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2024-08-29, 21:03

NigelUno wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote: jesus likes rapists?

Reminds me of why I'm not a republican/libertarian.

There's a sign on 23 going north. It's either in North Georgia, or just across the border in North Carolina. It says "Let Trump Be Trump", and then is followed by some bible verse.

Harris Vs. Trump 2024. The battle to save America. Lets do this. 502811600

by **Trapper Gus** 2024-08-29, 21:53

A long time ago now Bruce said something about a singer who was better than he was...

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2024-08-30, 08:01

Trapper Gus wrote:A long time ago now Bruce said something about a singer who was better than he was...

I remember when Sandy sent me this tape, I listened to it and I said, "Gee, this is a little on the corny side." And I sat down and I tried to think what the song was about, and I guess there was a time when people felt that music provided you with a greater, oh, a greater sense of unity, a greater sense of shared vision and purpose than it does today. And my generation, we were the generation that was gonna change the world, that somehow we were gonna make it a little less lonely, a little less hungry, a little more just place. But it seems that when... When that promise slipped through our hands we didn't replace it with nothing but, but lost faith, and now we live in, uh, times are pretty shattered, I got my music, you've got yours, the guy down the street, he's got his, and you could kind of sit back and say, not cynically but truthfully, "Well, maybe, maybe all men are not brothers, and maybe we won't ever know who or what we really are to each other." But I think Harry instinctively knew that it was gonna take a lot more than just love to survive; that it was gonna take a strong sense of purpose, of duty, and a good clear eye on the dirty ways of the world. So in keeping, in keeping his promise to himself, he reminds us of our promise to ourselves, and that tonight, alongside Harry, it's that promise that his spirit would have us remember and honor and recommit to. So do something, and may his song be sung.

by **Trapper Gus** 2024-08-30, 09:03

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:A long time ago now Bruce said something about a singer who was better than he was...

I remember when Sandy sent me this tape, I listened to it and I said, "Gee, this is a little on the corny side." And I sat down and I tried to think what the song was about, and I guess there was a time when people felt that music provided you with a greater, oh, a greater sense of unity, a greater sense of shared vision and purpose than it does today. And my generation, we were the generation that was gonna change the world, that somehow we were gonna make it a little less lonely, a little less hungry, a little more just place. But it seems that when... When that promise slipped through our hands we didn't replace it with nothing but, but lost faith, and now we live in, uh, times are pretty shattered, I got my music, you've got yours, the guy down the street, he's got his, and you could kind of sit back and say, not cynically but truthfully, "Well, maybe, maybe all men are not brothers, and maybe we won't ever know who or what we really are to each other." But I think Harry instinctively knew that it was gonna take a lot more than just love to survive; that it was gonna take a strong sense of purpose, of duty, and a good clear eye on the dirty ways of the world. So in keeping, in keeping his promise to himself, he reminds us of our promise to ourselves, and that tonight, alongside Harry, it's that promise that his spirit would have us remember and honor and recommit to. So do something, and may his song be sung.

No man is a saint; however, Harry Chapin was doing his best and trying to move others to do their best, also.

by **Cameron** 2024-08-30, 09:39

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If I wanted Republicans in the cabinet, I'd vote for a Republican. This is dumb and I hope she reconsiders.

by **Trapper Gus** 2024-08-30, 09:45

Polls Are Useless - However Buzz From Polls is Fun

by AvgMSUJoe 2024-08-30, 09:49

Trapper Gus wrote:A long time ago now Bruce said something about a singer who was better than he was...

Ha... this is the opener for a show I saw on Wednesday... She said she wrote this song after she saw Bruce and realized she would never be as good as him. (not great, from New Zealand, it got dark with her)

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