The far left progressives have to be isolated and eliminated.

Heat Miser wrote:

The Pantry wrote:
No idea.  Have heard people change in prison.  The concept of taxpayers funding the sex change process is ludicrous and proved Kamala a nut job.

You should look into facts rather than weird wingnut obsessions.

Harris’ Position on Health Care for Transgender Prisoners and Detainees

The U.S. Constitution requires that the government provide needed medical care for prisoners, according to a 1976 Supreme Court ruling. Transgender inmates in federal and state prisons have argued in court that this includes providing medically necessary gender-affirming care. Some federal and state prisoners have received gender-affirming surgeries following legal victories. So far, this has included two federal prisoners in the custody of the Federal Bureau of Prisons.

So yes, she in favor of complying with the law. What a nut job.

The Pantry wrote:

Heat Miser wrote:

You should look into facts rather than weird wingnut obsessions.

Harris’ Position on Health Care for Transgender Prisoners and Detainees



So yes, she in favor of complying with the law. What a nut job.

Thanks for the "legal" lesson. What the hell is necessary gender-affirming care? They are fucking felons and deserve only the most basic healthcare. Wonder if they were trying to get transferred to a women's prison?

Pretty bizarre and obscure law. Why Harris would state that in an interview was foolish. Certainly turned me off, as well as others. Well-played by the Trump campaign.

PennSpartan wrote:

kingstonlake wrote:She made an appeal to moderate, disgruntled, centrist, right to lifer, Haley type republicans .

They rejected her. End of story.

If I were a woman and listened to Harris and her impassioned pleas about women dying in Texas and the travesty of overturning Roe v Wade then saw her campaigning with Cheney? I’d tell her to get fucked.

Rise already been overturne, you’re a hypocrite, it was all an act and you can’t be trusted.

Yup, reject everyone who isn’t progressive. That’s a recipe for success.

kingstonlake wrote:

The Pantry wrote:
Thanks for the "legal" lesson.  What the hell is necessary gender-affirming care?  They are fucking felons and deserve only the most basic healthcare.  Wonder if they were trying to get transferred to a women's prison?

Pretty bizarre and obscure law.  Why Harris would state that in an interview was foolish.  Certainly turned me off, as well as others.  Well-played by the Trump campaign.

You watched a campaign commercial and believed it.

Bob was right.

PennSpartan wrote:

kingstonlake wrote:

You almost have to wonder if it was an inside job by Cheney. “Like, how stupid is this women to put me on stage and campaign with her.”

Cheney did more for Harris than Bernie did. Bern gave us the knucklehead Walz. Feel the Bern!

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:One of her messages was how much tougher she’d be about border security than republicans.

Shes a former prosecutor but democrats need to be more centrist when it comes to cop issues

She spent the end of her campaign doing events with Liz fucking Cheney, your centrist conservative hero

You see all this and think to yourself “it’s not centrist enough.” That’s insane. 

Really, what they need to do is stop trying to game everything out and jam candidates down people’s throat that they don’t want. They need to have an open primary. People need to vote for whom they want without the dnc jamming a candidate down their throat. People need to vote in a primary while trying not to be influenced by “well I like this person the most but the dnc tells me they can’t win the general so I’ll just vote for the person they say can win”. Where is Donald Trump if that’s how republicans voted in 2016?

Stop trying to game it out. Have a truly open primary, let the people tell you which ideas they want to vote for and be enthusiastic about. If it’s the do nothing centrist, so be it.  But it won’t be. Because ultimately, obviously, “I’m not the other guy” is not nearly enough of a campaign message. But if that’s what people want, fine, just let them do it instead of constantly trying to put your finger on the scale because you think you know what they want better than they do. You don’t. You constantly fail at it. (Not literally you, the figurative dnc you.)

PennSpartan wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:One of her messages was how much tougher she’d be about border security than republicans.

Shes a former prosecutor but democrats need to be more centrist when it comes to cop issues

She spent the end of her campaign doing events with Liz fucking Cheney, your centrist conservative hero

You see all this and think to yourself “it’s not centrist enough.” That’s insane. 

Really, what they need to do is stop trying to game everything out and jam candidates down people’s throat that they don’t want. They need to have an open primary. People need to vote for whom they want without the dnc jamming a candidate down their throat. People need to vote in a primary while trying not to be influenced by “well I like this person the most but the dnc tells me they can’t win the general so I’ll just vote for the person they say can win”. Where is Donald Trump if that’s how republicans voted in 2016?

Stop trying to game it out. Have a truly open primary, let the people tell you which ideas they want to vote for and be enthusiastic about. If it’s the do nothing centrist, so be it.  But it won’t be. Because ultimately, obviously, “I’m not the other guy” is not nearly enough of a campaign message. But if that’s what people want, fine, just let them do it instead of constantly trying to put your finger on the scale because you think you know what they want better than they do. You don’t. You constantly fail at it. (Not literally you, the figurative dnc you.)

There wasn’t time for open primaries after Biden dropped out.  There were primaries earlier, but nobody had the balls to run, including your favorite progressives.  And while we’re talking about jamming a candidate down our throats, tell that to Bernie.  He’s the one who demanded Harris pick the hayseed knucklehead Walz or risk losing the progressive vote.  That guy was a disaster.

PennSpartan wrote:

DWags wrote:




One of two things will happen in 2028.  The Democratic Party will get a centrist candidate. Or, the Democratic Party will get a far left progressive candidate.   It is my opinion that it doesn’t matter which candidate is running the Democratic Party will still be labeled far left


The Republican party at this point nailed the Democrats to that cross.   Their message was good enough.  Advertisements were good enough.  In my opinion, the far left was used by the Republicans to sway enough voters, not to vote for Trump, but the vote against the far left.    

We are all just Monday morning, quarterbacking here.   It’s my opinion the far left progressive part of the Democratic Party turned off too many voters that were swinging voters in the last election.  


Disagree, but this is my opinion.

Agree, DWags.  You certainly didn’t hear Republicans saying “they’re too moderate”, or “they’re too conservative”.  It was always “radical, socialist, liberals”.  Most of America hates libs.  It’s time to throw them out with the bath water.  

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

PennSpartan wrote:
Agree, DWags.  You certainly didn’t hear Republicans saying “they’re too moderate”, or “they’re too conservative”.  It was always “radical, socialist, liberals”.  Most of America hates libs.  It’s time to throw them out with the bath water.  

They don’t know what those terms mean. They think Harris is a socialist. Those aren’t the people you can win.

DWags wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:One of her messages was how much tougher she’d be about border security than republicans.

Shes a former prosecutor but democrats need to be more centrist when it comes to cop issues

She spent the end of her campaign doing events with Liz fucking Cheney, your centrist conservative hero

You see all this and think to yourself “it’s not centrist enough.” That’s insane. 

Really, what they need to do is stop trying to game everything out and jam candidates down people’s throat that they don’t want. They need to have an open primary. People need to vote for whom they want without the dnc jamming a candidate down their throat. People need to vote in a primary while trying not to be influenced by “well I like this person the most but the dnc tells me they can’t win the general so I’ll just vote for the person they say can win”. Where is Donald Trump if that’s how republicans voted in 2016?

Stop trying to game it out. Have a truly open primary, let the people tell you which ideas they want to vote for and be enthusiastic about. If it’s the do nothing centrist, so be it.  But it won’t be. Because ultimately, obviously, “I’m not the other guy” is not nearly enough of a campaign message. But if that’s what people want, fine, just let them do it instead of constantly trying to put your finger on the scale because you think you know what they want better than they do. You don’t. You constantly fail at it. (Not literally you, the figurative dnc you.)

One of two things will happen in 2028.  The Democratic Party will get a centrist candidate. Or, the Democratic Party will get a far left progressive candidate.   It is my opinion that it doesn’t matter which candidate is running the Democratic Party will still be labeled far left


The Republican party at this point nailed the Democrats to that cross.   Their message was good enough.  Advertisements were good enough.  In my opinion, the far left was used by the Republicans to sway enough voters, not to vote for Trump, but to vote against the far left.    

We are all just Monday morning, quarterbacking here.   It’s my opinion the far left progressive part of the Democratic Party turned off too many voters that were swing voters in the last election.  


Disagree, but this is my opinion.

DWags wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
They don’t know what those terms mean. They think Harris is a socialist. Those aren’t the people you can win.

Thjose are the people we have to start winning.  Let’s start with that exact fact. Perhaps they aren’t as worldly or as intellectual as we want them to be or need them to be..   Let’s start there.   How do we reach them?   How do we show them that progressive policies in the long run will be better for them?  I’m sitting here without an answer this morning also.   But if we throw up our arms and just say that these people are not reachable, that they are stupid, that they will never get it, they will never vote for the Democratic Party again.  

It amazes me that the Republican party can scare them into voting against their self-interest.   And they do it by convincing them that the word socialist is bad, that it is one of the worst words in the history of mankind, and then they are able to label our candidate with that word.

kingstonlake wrote:

The Pantry wrote:Thanks for the "legal" lesson.  What the hell is necessary gender-affirming care?  They are fucking felons and deserve only the most basic healthcare.  Wonder if they were trying to get transferred to a women's prison?

Pretty bizarre and obscure law.  Why Harris would state that in an interview was foolish.  Certainly turned me off, as well as others.  Well-played by the Trump campaign.

You watched a campaign commercial and believed it.

Bob was right.

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

DWags wrote:




One of two things will happen in 2028.  The Democratic Party will get a centrist candidate. Or, the Democratic Party will get a far left progressive candidate.   It is my opinion that it doesn’t matter which candidate is running the Democratic Party will still be labeled far left


The Republican party at this point nailed the Democrats to that cross.   Their message was good enough.  Advertisements were good enough.  In my opinion, the far left was used by the Republicans to sway enough voters, not to vote for Trump, but to vote against the far left.    

We are all just Monday morning, quarterbacking here.   It’s my opinion the far left progressive part of the Democratic Party turned off too many voters that were swing voters in the last election.  


Disagree, but this is my opinion.

You know dwags you keep talking about Monday morning quarterbacking and I haven’t picked this particular bone but I gotta.

Most of the things you’ve been hearing the last two days are things people have been saying the entire time. I was saying in 2022 that Biden needed to drop out because he’s too old and weak with his approval ratings in the 30s. It’s not Monday morning quarterbacking when you hear me say now “Biden needed to drop out in 2022 so there could be a primary.” It’s I told you so. When he did drop out I said it was probably too late but better now than never. Again, not Monday morning quarterbacking, it’s saying yeah this was very predictable. 

Every election, basically forever, democrats run the centrist darling coming out of the primary. Theyre 1-2 in the last 3 against a ridiculous clown of an opponent. You’ll just have to excuse me if I think the argument “they’re not centrist enough, it’s the libs fault” is bullshit when I’ve been saying the entire time that radical centrism is a foolish stance that doesn’t work. Go check the Liz Cheney threads from last week. I told you then too. 

Trying to attract republicans to vote for democrats en mass doesn’t work. They already have a party they are happy with. You can’t win with them. The problem in this election is the 15 million people that didn’t vote at all that voted for Biden last time. Harris went center as hell and lost those votes anyway. Why is that

PennSpartan wrote:

DWags wrote:


Thjose are the people we have to start winning.  Let’s start with that exact fact. Perhaps they aren’t as worldly or as intellectual as we want them to be or need them to be..   Let’s start there.   How do we reach them?   How do we show them that progressive policies in the long run will be better for them?  I’m sitting here without an answer this morning also.   But if we throw up our arms and just say that these people are not reachable, that they are stupid, that they will never get it, they will never vote for the Democratic Party again.  

It amazes me that the Republican party can scare them into voting against their self-interest.   And they do it by convincing them that the word socialist is bad, that it is one of the worst words in the history of mankind, and then they are able to label our candidate with that word.

Trump actually embraced the uneducated. Libs call them stupid and make fun of them. Which side do you think they will vote for?

PennSpartan wrote:

DWags wrote:


Not trying to attract republicans. You can use that word, but it’s not correct. Trying to attract the voters who get turned off by terms like Latnx from the river to the sea, he/him, defund the police, transgenders playing sports. Abortion at 9 months. And before you think I don’t understand the republicans used that to scare the less informed, of course I think it’s bullshit.

But how do you fight that? We have a big tent. We invite a broad group of ideas. Some of them create worry among voters that are easily swayed by fear, and you can take every term I just used and see how they used them in adds.

We can pretend it doesn’t matter or we can say those people who fall for the fearmongering are not reachable, but imo we have to start trying to reach them.

There is nothing wrong with attracting Republicans. They have been attracting Dems to their side for years. It’s working.

PennSpartan wrote:

kingstonlake wrote:

Like you do to progressives? Then get the vapors when they don’t support you?

I just state facts.

DWags wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
You know dwags you keep talking about Monday morning quarterbacking and I haven’t picked this particular bone but I gotta.

Most of the things you’ve been hearing the last two days are things people have been saying the entire time. I was saying in 2022 that Biden needed to drop out because he’s too old and weak with his approval ratings in the 30s. It’s not Monday morning quarterbacking when you hear me say now “Biden needed to drop out in 2022 so there could be a primary.” It’s I told you so. When he did drop out I said it was probably too late but better now than never. Again, not Monday morning quarterbacking, it’s saying yeah this was very predictable. 

Every election, basically forever, democrats run the centrist darling coming out of the primary. Theyre 1-2 in the last 3 against a ridiculous clown of an opponent. You’ll just have to excuse me if I think the argument “they’re not centrist enough, it’s the libs fault” is bullshit when I’ve been saying the entire time that radical centrism is a foolish stance that doesn’t work. Go check the Liz Cheney threads from last week. I told you then too. 

Trying to attract republicans to vote for democrats en mass doesn’t work. They already have a party they are happy with. You can’t win with them. The problem in this election is the 15 million people that didn’t vote at all that voted for Biden last time. Harris went center as hell and lost those votes anyway. Why is that

Not trying to attract republicans.  You can use that word, but it’s not correct. Trying to attract the voters who get turned off by terms like Latnx from the river to the sea, he/him, defund the police, transgenders playing sports. Abortion at 9 months.   And before you think I don’t understand the republicans used that to scare the less informed, of course I think it’s bullshit.

But how do you fight that?  We have a big tent. We invite a broad group of ideas.  Some of them create worry among voters that are easily swayed by fear, and you can take every term I just used and see how they used them in adds.  

We can pretend it doesn’t matter or we can say those people who fall for the fearmongering are not reachable, but imo we have to start trying to reach them.

PennSpartan wrote:

kingstonlake wrote:

Back at ya, Liz

Do you think President Trump will continue with student debt forgiveness?

sεяεηιτλ wrote:

DWags wrote:Yeah I said it. Here is my Monday morning quarterbacking.

We should not have pandered one iota to these ass hats. Fuck every last one of them.

Leave the party, take your pronouns with you. Stop calling yourself democrats and take blame for giving us a fascist president.


Representative Torres.

Donald Trump has no greater friend than the far left, which has managed to alienate historic numbers of Latinos, Blacks, Asians, and Jews from the Democratic Party with absurdities like “Defund the Police” or “From the River to the Sea” or “Latinx.”  

There is more to lose than there is to gain politically from pandering to a far left that is more representative of Twitter, Twitch, and TikTok than it is of the real world.  The working class is not buying the ivory-towered nonsense that the far left is selling.



I get your passion.    Create your own party.  

This is stupid, Sorry.  

Dems can have it all easily.  Stop it with the trans talk in public and just support them in policy.  Other than that, fucking pander to every group you can.  This society is so god damn ADD, it doesn't even matter if you contradict yourself if you repeat yourself enough both ways.  Should have told the arabs that we are going to be hard on israel, should have told the jews that we support israel as an ally.  Should have told the squad that the green new deal was a good idea, should have told detroit and philadelphia that you're going to look into reparations, should have told the hispanics that we're going to look into amnesty for their relatives.

You can even do all that stuff and not lie, just do it at different times once you're in office so you don't break your 'promises'.

America is a stupid country.  you'll convince 70% of each of them by pandering and a few will be yelling about contradictions.  Media will point out contradictions once or twice but who cares, fuck them.

Also, instead of doing like a single rally in a location, cut the bull shit with Texas and NC, go down to dearborn for a solid 4 days of events, bring a marketing team and generate a lot of buzz in the community over several days instead of jetsetting around for events that are a few hours long. You'll get a lot more attention in those communities doing that and promote an atmosphere of support. I swear to god our campaign advisors are so fucking dumb. And add a lot more humor to every speech. Literally hire political comedians to write your shit. Making people smile and laugh goes a LONG way to increasing likability. Trumps rallies are like 50% politically focused stand up routine. The other half is repeating propaganda over and over.

PennSpartan wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
Who are you trying to attract with Liz Cheney if not republicans? What about the ads that say “I’m a lumber worker and I voted for Trump twice and now I’m voting for Harris” the entire campaign was nothing but trying to attract republicans and it notably does not work. That’s what needs to go in the trash (amongst other things)

Let me get this clear.  You don’t want Republicans.  You don’t want boomers.  You don’t want moderates.  You don’t want stupid people.  And you think you can win?  

PennSpartan wrote:

sεяεηιτλ wrote:

Is he seriously referencing that chopped up campaign commercial and calling it a legitimate interview?

I don't even know what she actually said in that interview but it wasn't that it was clearly edited

Don’t you wish Democrats had the savvy to do that? Trump has said so many horrible things over the years that Dems could have turned it into a 2 hour infomercial. But no, we go high!

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

DWags wrote:


Not trying to attract republicans.  You can use that word, but it’s not correct. Trying to attract the voters who get turned off by terms like Latnx from the river to the sea, he/him, defund the police, transgenders playing sports. Abortion at 9 months.   And before you think I don’t understand the republicans used that to scare the less informed, of course I think it’s bullshit.

But how do you fight that?  We have a big tent. We invite a broad group of ideas.  Some of them create worry among voters that are easily swayed by fear, and you can take every term I just used and see how they used them in adds.  

We can pretend it doesn’t matter or we can say those people who fall for the fearmongering are not reachable, but imo we have to start trying to reach them.

Who are you trying to attract with Liz Cheney if not republicans? What about the ads that say “I’m a lumber worker and I voted for Trump twice and now I’m voting for Harris” the entire campaign was nothing but trying to attract republicans and it notably does not work. That’s what needs to go in the trash (amongst other things)