Re: The far left progressives have to be isolated and eliminated.

by sεяεηιτλ 07/11/24, 09:10 am

Green money wrote:
sεяεηιτλ wrote:

This is stupid, Sorry.

Dems can have it all easily. Stop it with the trans talk in public and just support them in policy. Other than that, fucking pander to every group you can. This society is so god damn ADD, it doesn't even matter if you contradict yourself if you repeat yourself enough both ways. Should have told the arabs that we are going to be hard on israel, should have told the jews that we support israel as an ally. Should have told the squad that the green new deal was a good idea, should have told detroit and philadelphia that you're going to look into reparations, should have told the hispanics that we're going to look into amnesty for their relatives.

You can even do all that stuff and not lie, just do it at different times once you're in office so you don't break your 'promises'.

America is a stupid country. you'll convince 70% of each of them by pandering and a few will be yelling about contradictions. Media will point out contradictions once or twice but who cares, fuck them.

Also, instead of doing like a single rally in a location, cut the bull shit with Texas and NC, go down to dearborn for a solid 4 days of events, bring a marketing team and generate a lot of buzz in the community over several days instead of jetsetting around for events that are a few hours long. You'll get a lot more attention in those communities doing that and promote an atmosphere of support. I swear to god our campaign advisors are so fucking dumb. And add a lot more humor to every speech. Literally hire political comedians to write your shit. Making people smile and laugh goes a LONG way to increasing likability. Trumps rallies are like 50% politically focused stand up routine. The other half is repeating propaganda over and over.
so say whatever you need to to get elected. Don't mean anything you say but still say it. You are what's wrong with this country. Now go get your sex change operation, or maybe you already have.

Wrong. But it's incredibly funny you say this stuff because what you are saying is exactly what your side pulled off. That's exactly what Trump did. So you're admitting that you are what is wrong with this country. He pandered except he lied the whole time. If you could read, I didn't say lie. You can do all those things I mentioned you fucking unAmerican piece of shit traitor. What I say is just more effective marketing. The trick is timing. You don't need to get in office and immediately do every promise, you have 4 years and you just have to give it a good try on all of it. Notice I said things like "try for reparations". You convey to them that you are on their side by trying, but most of us know it probably wouldn't work out in the end thanks to Scotus et al. If it fails, support them another way and hold rallies just to explain why it failed, which would be because of the fascists no doubt.
You are very obviously the fascist problem we have in this country.

by PennSpartan 07/11/24, 09:14 am

kingstonlake wrote:
Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
Who are you trying to attract with Liz Cheney if not republicans? What about the ads that say “I’m a lumber worker and I voted for Trump twice and now I’m voting for Harris” the entire campaign was nothing but trying to attract republicans and it notably does not work. That’s what needs to go in the trash (amongst other things)

This may come across a little crass but I don’t want to hear anymore impassioned pleas from dads about their daughters. Especially ones who demonize and say that progressives need to be isolated and eliminated. It just proves it’s not genuine. It’s fake. Anybody with a minimal amount of memory knows who has been in the trenches from the beginning for women’s reproductive and health rights. And it ain’t Liz Cheney and her supporters.

My step daughter who considers me her father was knocking on doors November 4th. Completing her masters. Wildly progressive in her views. In unsafe areas of Detroit. Begging people to vote.telling them where they could vote. They are the hero’s. Fuck anyone who says they need to be isolated and eliminated. And I’d say it to their face at their tailgate if I ever lowered my standards to hang out with people who think my kid should be isolated and eliminated.

So your stepdaughter did what I did back in ‘72. And you trashed me for it. Interesting.

by **The Pantry** 07/11/24, 09:22 am

Robert J Sakimano wrote:also, the sooner that Democrats understand that the mainstream media holds them to a completely different standard than republicans/libertarians, the better.

I feel like a lot of them still think the mainstream media is objective.. my fucking god.. how is that possible?

Do you think mainstream media does not affect Democrats?

by **kingstonlake** 07/11/24, 09:23 am

PennSpartan wrote:
kingstonlake wrote:

This may come across a little crass but I don’t want to hear anymore impassioned pleas from dads about their daughters. Especially ones who demonize and say that progressives need to be isolated and eliminated. It just proves it’s not genuine. It’s fake. Anybody with a minimal amount of memory knows who has been in the trenches from the beginning for women’s reproductive and health rights. And it ain’t Liz Cheney and her supporters.

My step daughter who considers me her father was knocking on doors November 4th. Completing her masters. Wildly progressive in her views. In unsafe areas of Detroit. Begging people to vote.telling them where they could vote. They are the hero’s. Fuck anyone who says they need to be isolated and eliminated. And I’d say it to their face at their tailgate if I ever lowered my standards to hang out with people who think my kid should be isolated and eliminated.
So your stepdaughter did what I did back in ‘72. And you trashed me for it. Interesting.

No, I mocked you for letting everyone believe you were some sort big McGovern campaign coordinator .

by PennSpartan 07/11/24, 09:25 am

kingstonlake wrote:
PennSpartan wrote:
So your stepdaughter did what I did back in ‘72. And you trashed me for it. Interesting.

No, I mocked you for letting everyone believe you were some sort big McGovern campaign coordinator .

I never said that once. I was in high school. I’m old but I’m not 100.

by sεяεηιτλ 07/11/24, 09:26 am

PennSpartan wrote:
sεяεηιτλ wrote:

Is he seriously referencing that chopped up campaign commercial and calling it a legitimate interview?

I don't even know what she actually said in that interview but it wasn't that it was clearly edited
Don’t you wish Democrats had the savvy to do that? Trump has said so many horrible things over the years that Dems could have turned it into a 2 hour infomercial. But no, we go high!

They did a little bit, but I think it was mostly the PACs. There were a lot of edited anti trump commercials. The difference is at this point that stuff is basically ignored, it's viewed as more anti trump media thrown on the top of a. Pile, diluted, because Democrats didn't develop a strong enough narrative that resonates. They mostly played by old rules in this new information warfare world. I'm telling you, Dems let trump define them for 4 years. You have to now campaign while you are in office to make sure everyone knows what you want them to know. People didn't know or believe that trump axed the border bill on purpose. That's some seriously messed up disqualifying unAmerican shit and we did virtually nothing with it. We got like one line in the debate. Not enough, the guy is a literal traitor that harmed this country on purpose so he had a strong issue to campaign on.

by Three_Putt_Par 07/11/24, 10:34 am

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
kingstonlake wrote:

You watched a campaign commercial and believed it.

Bob was right.
America is a stupid country.

I appreciate the mainstream media and their 24 hour news cycle holding so many people hostage with their pointy-headed, pseudo-intellectual takes.. but they could save a whole lot of time if they just got on air and said "America is a stupid country" and went to commercial break for the next 23 hours, 59 minutes and 52 seconds.

I've often said that Democrats are guilty of thinking too much of the collective intellect of the American electorate. Republicans/libertarians know exactly who they're working with, as they - along with the mainstream media - have been working for a solid generation to dumb down the average American.

and, whaddaya know.. they've benefiting from it.

Dems need simple and direct messaging. They get caught up too much in nuance and details for your average voter.

by Green money 07/11/24, 10:42 am

sεяεηιτλ wrote:
Green money wrote:
so say whatever you need to to get elected. Don't mean anything you say but still say it. You are what's wrong with this country. Now go get your sex change operation, or maybe you already have.

Wrong. But it's incredibly funny you say this stuff because what you are saying is exactly what your side pulled off. That's exactly what Trump did. So you're admitting that you are what is wrong with this country. He pandered except he lied the whole time. If you could read, I didn't say lie. You can do all those things I mentioned you fucking unAmerican piece of shit traitor. What I say is just more effective marketing. The trick is timing. You don't need to get in office and immediately do every promise, you have 4 years and you just have to give it a good try on all of it. Notice I said things like "try for reparations". You convey to them that you are on their side by trying, but most of us know it probably wouldn't work out in the end thanks to Scotus et al. If it fails, support them another way and hold rallies just to explain why it failed, which would be because of the fascists no doubt.
You are very obviously the fascist problem we have in this country.

how did that sex change work out? If Harris had been elected, you could have gone back and forth multiple times in prison.

by **Heat Miser** 07/11/24, 10:50 am

Green money wrote:
sεяεηιτλ wrote:
Green money wrote:
so say whatever you need to to get elected. Don't mean anything you say but still say it. You are what's wrong with this country. Now go get your sex change operation, or maybe you already have.

Wrong. But it's incredibly funny you say this stuff because what you are saying is exactly what your side pulled off. That's exactly what Trump did. So you're admitting that you are what is wrong with this country. He pandered except he lied the whole time. If you could read, I didn't say lie. You can do all those things I mentioned you fucking unAmerican piece of shit traitor. What I say is just more effective marketing. The trick is timing. You don't need to get in office and immediately do every promise, you have 4 years and you just have to give it a good try on all of it. Notice I said things like "try for reparations". You convey to them that you are on their side by trying, but most of us know it probably wouldn't work out in the end thanks to Scotus et al. If it fails, support them another way and hold rallies just to explain why it failed, which would be because of the fascists no doubt.
You are very obviously the fascist problem we have in this country.
how did that sex change work out? If Harris had been elected, you could have gone back and forth multiple times in prison.

Sometimes in the same day! I hear it's as simple as getting an ear pierced.

by msugolfguy 07/11/24, 10:59 am

Go look at West Virginia, the Dems put around 1 billion into that state they have new manufacturing going up, they fought and supported the pensions, kept the black lung funding going and still lost 70 percent of the vote.

It ain't the progressive wing that's the problem.

by sεяεηιτλ 07/11/24, 11:08 am

Green money wrote:
sεяεηιτλ wrote:

Wrong. But it's incredibly funny you say this stuff because what you are saying is exactly what your side pulled off. That's exactly what Trump did. So you're admitting that you are what is wrong with this country. He pandered except he lied the whole time. If you could read, I didn't say lie. You can do all those things I mentioned you fucking unAmerican piece of shit traitor. What I say is just more effective marketing. The trick is timing. You don't need to get in office and immediately do every promise, you have 4 years and you just have to give it a good try on all of it. Notice I said things like "try for reparations". You convey to them that you are on their side by trying, but most of us know it probably wouldn't work out in the end thanks to Scotus et al. If it fails, support them another way and hold rallies just to explain why it failed, which would be because of the fascists no doubt.
You are very obviously the fascist problem we have in this country.
how did that sex change work out? If Harris had been elected, you could have gone back and forth multiple times in prison.

You have nothing dude. The prisoner sex change was a trump policy. You admitted that you are a traitor and exactly what is wrong with this nation. Its clear to everyone.

by sεяεηιτλ 07/11/24, 11:09 am

Heat Miser wrote:
Green money wrote: how did that sex change work out? If Harris had been elected, you could have gone back and forth multiple times in prison.

Sometimes in the same day! I hear it's as simple as getting an ear pierced.

they're doing it in the schools now, without the parents consent. The kids get sent off to school as a boy, and they come back as a girl.

by sεяεηιτλ 07/11/24, 11:10 am

msugolfguy wrote:Go look at West Virginia, the Dems put around 1 billion into that state they have new manufacturing going up, they fought and supported the pensions, kept the black lung funding going and still lost 70 percent of the vote.

It ain't the progressive wing that's the problem.

Correct. We need to start playing hard ball. Defund the red states. There's little reason to help them with our socialism. Let them wallow in their pools of shit. Of course, don't say this out loud if you're a politician. Just stop doing things that help states like Texas and florida mainly, Mississippi, Louisiana, Arkansas, Alabama, Indiana, Kentucky, Missouri.

Basically any state that there's zero hope in getting a senator from. The Republicans have gerrymandered the districts so much that we will keep the few representatives we have in those states even if we defund them. I don't think you guys realize, but this is pretty much a war now. Or at the very least we have to start thinking about it like one because that's how they have been acting for years. Sun Tzu should be required reading for all Democrats.

by **Heat Miser** 07/11/24, 11:14 am

sεяεηιτλ wrote:
Heat Miser wrote:
Green money wrote: how did that sex change work out? If Harris had been elected, you could have gone back and forth multiple times in prison.

Sometimes in the same day! I hear it's as simple as getting an ear pierced.
they're doing it in the schools now, without the parents consent. The kids get sent off to school as a boy, and they come back as a girl.

It's criminal, and it has to stop!!! I heard they can take a penis from a boy & slap it on a girl during lunch. Then they change it again the next day. Can you believe that? It's outrageous!

by **DWags** 07/11/24, 11:15 am

msugolfguy wrote:Go look at West Virginia, the Dems put around 1 billion into that state they have new manufacturing going up, they fought and supported the pensions, kept the black lung funding going and still lost 70 percent of the vote.

It ain't the progressive wing that's the problem.

Why are those programs the prgrams of the far left? I guess I'm puzzled by my party. I don't know how to answer people when they ask me about transgender in sports. Everytime I hear that I'm uncomfortable with it. And that bums me out. There is less than 1% of our population that wouidl be effected by that in H.S. or College. I'm not a psychiatrist, but i get that for mental health people need to go through this process. But the right can show a picture of a 6'3" man standing next to 5'5" girls on a basketball court and win the day with outrage. How do we combat that? It's a nothing topic and it effects minimal people in the U.S., but they can message that and it's effective with many. It's frustrating. I guess I feel like my party is MSU and the republican party is UofM and our PR department is just behind and slow and not very good just like it is in sport.

by Green money 07/11/24, 11:21 am

DWags wrote:
msugolfguy wrote:Go look at West Virginia, the Dems put around 1 billion into that state they have new manufacturing going up, they fought and supported the pensions, kept the black lung funding going and still lost 70 percent of the vote.

It ain't the progressive wing that's the problem.

Why are those programs the prgrams of the far left? I guess I'm puzzled by my party. I don't know how to answer people when they ask me about transgender in sports. Everytime I hear that I'm uncomfortable with it. And that bums me out. There is less than 1% of our population that wouidl be effected by that in H.S. or College. I'm not a psychiatrist, but i get that for mental health people need to go through this process. But the right can show a picture of a 6'3" man standing next to 5'5" girls on a basketball court and win the day with outrage. How do we combat that? It's a nothing topic and it effects minimal people in the U.S., but they can message that and it's effective with many. It's frustrating. I guess I feel like my party is MSU and the republican party is UofM and our PR department is just behind and slow and not very good just like it is in sport.

here's an idea, just don't support a party that defends the trans freaks. Not that difficult

by TravelinMan 07/11/24, 11:23 am

Heat Miser wrote:
sεяεηιτλ wrote:they're doing it in the schools now, without the parents consent. The kids get sent off to school as a boy, and they come back as a girl.

It's criminal, and it has to stop!!! I heard they can take a penis from a boy & slap it on a girl during lunch. Then they change it again the next day. Can you believe that? It's outrageous!

Why do they have to share? The TravelinMan administration will provide free penises for all!

by Pervis Muldoon 07/11/24, 11:55 am

DWags wrote:
msugolfguy wrote:Go look at West Virginia, the Dems put around 1 billion into that state they have new manufacturing going up, they fought and supported the pensions, kept the black lung funding going and still lost 70 percent of the vote.

It ain't the progressive wing that's the problem.

Why are those programs the prgrams of the far left? I guess I'm puzzled by my party. I don't know how to answer people when they ask me about transgender in sports. Everytime I hear that I'm uncomfortable with it. And that bums me out. There is less than 1% of our population that wouidl be effected by that in H.S. or College. I'm not a psychiatrist, but i get that for mental health people need to go through this process. But the right can show a picture of a 6'3" man standing next to 5'5" girls on a basketball court and win the day with outrage. How do we combat that? It's a nothing topic and it effects minimal people in the U.S., but they can message that and it's effective with many. It's frustrating. I guess I feel like my party is MSU and the republican party is UofM and our PR department is just behind and slow and not very good just like it is in sport.

Those West Virginia accomplishments msugolfguy mentioned are progressive. You said nothing about them, but much about trans athletes. That’s part of the problem.

Many liberal policies help working class people, and they’re good for business. I’m very liberal, because I want a strongly progressive tax structure, single-payer health care, powerful unions and real government oversight of huge corporations. So when you say you want to kick the far left to the curb, do you mean me and Elizabeth Warren and Bernie?

by msugolfguy 07/11/24, 01:09 pm

Pervis Muldoon wrote:
DWags wrote:

Why are those programs the prgrams of the far left? I guess I'm puzzled by my party. I don't know how to answer people when they ask me about transgender in sports. Everytime I hear that I'm uncomfortable with it. And that bums me out. There is less than 1% of our population that wouidl be effected by that in H.S. or College. I'm not a psychiatrist, but i get that for mental health people need to go through this process. But the right can show a picture of a 6'3" man standing next to 5'5" girls on a basketball court and win the day with outrage. How do we combat that? It's a nothing topic and it effects minimal people in the U.S., but they can message that and it's effective with many. It's frustrating. I guess I feel like my party is MSU and the republican party is UofM and our PR department is just behind and slow and not very good just like it is in sport.

Those West Virginia accomplishments msugolfguy mentioned are progressive. You said nothing about them, but much about trans athletes. That’s part of the problem.

Many liberal policies help working class people, and they’re good for business. I’m very liberal, because I want a strongly progressive tax structure, single-payer health care, powerful unions and real government oversight of huge corporations. So when you say you want to kick the far left to the curb, do you mean me and Elizabeth Warren and Bernie?

This guy gets it. Just ignore the cultural wars, you go there a fucking human being what do you care? Then put it on them- say hey you go tell that kids parent they can't participate in society based on something probably out of their control.

by **Heat Miser** 07/11/24, 01:29 pm

Heat Miser wrote:How exactly was the "far left" pandered to? The entire campaign was Republican lite. The "far left" was basically told to fuck off. Again.

The far right however, is slowly dragging everyone toward them.

Torres is a fucking idiot BTW.

Fun facts:

1. AOC got MORE votes in her district than Harris.
2. Torres got FEWER votes in his district than Harris.

by **DWags** 07/11/24, 01:33 pm

Pervis Muldoon wrote:
DWags wrote:

Why are those programs the prgrams of the far left? I guess I'm puzzled by my party. I don't know how to answer people when they ask me about transgender in sports. Everytime I hear that I'm uncomfortable with it. And that bums me out. There is less than 1% of our population that wouidl be effected by that in H.S. or College. I'm not a psychiatrist, but i get that for mental health people need to go through this process. But the right can show a picture of a 6'3" man standing next to 5'5" girls on a basketball court and win the day with outrage. How do we combat that? It's a nothing topic and it effects minimal people in the U.S., but they can message that and it's effective with many. It's frustrating. I guess I feel like my party is MSU and the republican party is UofM and our PR department is just behind and slow and not very good just like it is in sport.

Those West Virginia accomplishments msugolfguy mentioned are progressive. You said nothing about them, but much about trans athletes. That’s part of the problem.

Many liberal policies help working class people, and they’re good for business. I’m very liberal, because I want a strongly progressive tax structure, single-payer health care, powerful unions and real government oversight of huge corporations. So when you say you want to kick the far left to the curb, do you mean me and Elizabeth Warren and Bernie?

I would like to see these championed by our party and I'd like to dismiss the notion of Defunding the police, of having the transgender athlete somehow attached to our party and not our countries issue. I'd like to see anyone in our party like Talib, who is on video screaming "from the river to the sea" told to stfu or find a new party. How did we let the slogan defund the police be attached to our party? How is the transgender athlete our parties issue? If anyhone thinks that those type of things didn't push people to vote against our party, not necessarily for Trump, I think we aren't being reasonable.

Somehow we have to fix the messaging. They are miles ahead of us and play the long game about as good as it can be played.

by sεяεηιτλ 07/11/24, 01:33 pm

Heat Miser wrote:
Heat Miser wrote:How exactly was the "far left" pandered to? The entire campaign was Republican lite. The "far left" was basically told to fuck off. Again.

The far right however, is slowly dragging everyone toward them.

Torres is a fucking idiot BTW.

Fun facts:

1. AOC got MORE votes in her district than Harris.
2. Torres got FEWER votes in his district than Harris.

Well you guys have one more on your radical assed side now in me. I can't promise to get along with Cameron but I'm tired of a party that isn't shifting with the times. We're being called radical left wing enemies of the state as it is, might as well get the base excited and actually move left for the sake of progress. Certainly can't hurt much and may help a ton.

by **kingstonlake** 07/11/24, 02:10 pm

sεяεηιτλ wrote:
Heat Miser wrote:

Fun facts:

1. AOC got MORE votes in her district than Harris.
2. Torres got FEWER votes in his district than Harris.

Well you guys have one more on your radical assed side now in me. I can't promise to get along with Cameron but I'm tired of a party that isn't shifting with the times. We're being called radical left wing enemies of the state as it is, might as well get the base excited and actually move left for the sake of progress. Certainly can't hurt much and may help a ton.

What are you talking about? We got democrats in this thread shifting right before your eyes into anti women’s health Liz Cheney's lap. Siding with guys on this board who are openly misogynistic POS towards AOC. Calling for hardworking progressives to be eliminated. I see lots of shifting.

by TravelinMan 07/11/24, 02:13 pm

kingstonlake wrote:
sεяεηιτλ wrote:

Well you guys have one more on your radical assed side now in me. I can't promise to get along with Cameron but I'm tired of a party that isn't shifting with the times. We're being called radical left wing enemies of the state as it is, might as well get the base excited and actually move left for the sake of progress. Certainly can't hurt much and may help a ton.

What are you talking about? We got democrats in this thread shifting right before your eyes into Liz Cheney's lap. Siding with guys on this board who are openly misogynistic POS towards AOC. Calling for hardworking progressives to be eliminated. I see lots of shifting.

Time your semi-regular reminder that just because a person doesn't agree with the policies of AOC (Or Hillary, or Kamala, or Talib, or Pelosi for that matter) it does not make them a misogynist.

by **kingstonlake** 07/11/24, 02:29 pm

TravelinMan wrote:
kingstonlake wrote:

What are you talking about? We got democrats in this thread shifting right before your eyes into Liz Cheney's lap. Siding with guys on this board who are openly misogynistic POS towards AOC. Calling for hardworking progressives to be eliminated. I see lots of shifting.

Time your semi-regular reminder that just because a person doesn't agree with the policies of AOC (Or Hillary, or Kamala, or Talib, or Pelosi for that matter) it does not make them a misogynist.

What to you regularly referring to her as a “just bartender”, stupid bitch, or drink server and not a congresswoman?

by TravelinMan 07/11/24, 02:33 pm

kingstonlake wrote:
TravelinMan wrote:

Time your semi-regular reminder that just because a person doesn't agree with the policies of AOC (Or Hillary, or Kamala, or Talib, or Pelosi for that matter) it does not make them a misogynist.

What to you regularly referring to her as a “just bartender”, stupid bitch, or drink server and not a congresswoman?

Lauren Boebert is a stupid bitch. That doesn't make me a misogynist for saying it.

by **kingstonlake** 07/11/24, 02:46 pm

TravelinMan wrote:
kingstonlake wrote:

What to you regularly referring to her as a “just bartender”, stupid bitch, or drink server and not a congresswoman?

Lauren Boebert is a stupid bitch. That doesn't make me a misogynist for saying it.

Fine. Defend him. All good.

You know your comparing a person that had to take her GED exam 3 times versus someone with college degrees in international relations and economics, right?

You’d have leg to stand on calling the first one a stupid bitch. The other you’re just being a misogynistic douche bag.

by Rick Saunders 07/11/24, 02:53 pm

Green money wrote:
DWags wrote:

Why are those programs the prgrams of the far left? I guess I'm puzzled by my party. I don't know how to answer people when they ask me about transgender in sports. Everytime I hear that I'm uncomfortable with it. And that bums me out. There is less than 1% of our population that wouidl be effected by that in H.S. or College. I'm not a psychiatrist, but i get that for mental health people need to go through this process. But the right can show a picture of a 6'3" man standing next to 5'5" girls on a basketball court and win the day with outrage. How do we combat that? It's a nothing topic and it effects minimal people in the U.S., but they can message that and it's effective with many. It's frustrating. I guess I feel like my party is MSU and the republican party is UofM and our PR department is just behind and slow and not very good just like it is in sport.
here's an idea, just don't support a party that defends the trans freaks. Not that difficult

Maybe, just maybe, we can refer to these people as human beings that are part of our society deserving of our respect and also empathy for the circumstance of sometimes being referred to as a freak.

Empathy and respect for any of us does not mean we get everything we want. I was a decent basketball player but I was only about 5'4" tall and pretty slow as a junior in high school. I got cut and that's ok but it hurt at the time. I eventually grew to 6' tall but never overcame being slow.

I personally don't believe that if you are born with functioning testicles and testosterone receptors (more to it but that's sufficient here) that you should be playing in sanctioned girls or women's sports if we want to have women's sports. That's going to hurt some feelings. Not the same exactly as my hurt feelings for being told I couldn't play but it would sure be softened if we treated that person as if they were respected.

But yes, there is too much focus on this.

If we are this worried about our daughters (and sons) over athletics it would sure be gratifying if we could be willing to make sacrifices for their future as Bob intimated with the fear argument.

I'm afraid my kids won't live in a stable economy so I am willing to pay more taxes. I'm afraid that my kids won't have the Gulf Stream to rely on for weather that supports our current norm of food production so I am willing to pay more to help save our environment. I'm afraid my kid might get called a freak by an adult so I am willing to stand up for people publicly even if they can't have everything they want. The list goes on.

by TravelinMan 07/11/24, 02:53 pm

kingstonlake wrote:
TravelinMan wrote:

Lauren Boebert is a stupid bitch. That doesn't make me a misogynist for saying it.

Fine. Defend him. All good.

You know your comparing a person that had to take her GED exam 3 times versus someone with college degrees in international relations and economics, right?

You’d have leg to stand on calling the first one a stupid bitch. The other you’re just being a misogynistic douche bag.

Blind partisanship is never a good look.

by **kingstonlake** 07/11/24, 03:00 pm

TravelinMan wrote:
kingstonlake wrote:

Fine. Defend him. All good.

You know your comparing a person that had to take her GED exam 3 times versus someone with college degrees in international relations and economics, right?

You’d have leg to stand on calling the first one a stupid bitch. The other you’re just being a misogynistic douche bag.

Blind partisanship is never a good look.

Neither is misogyny.

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Most of all, I think people are attracted to other people that have genuinely detectable convictions and can fight for them. Donald Trump being the exception as he is a con man. But if you ask all his voters I guarantee you that they think he is genuine in his convictions. Sanders is definitely genuine sounding in his beliefs. Biden I think generally is but he's too much of a tweener to have any real convictions which leads to a perceived lack of long term vision. Kamala and Hillary, those two were fine on paper but both always rang kind of hollow. The only times I genuinely thought they were likable was when they very briefly entered into like a unscripted prosecutor attack mode on certain topics. For some reason in both campaigns, I only ever saw that once out of each of them. I'm forced to conclude the party handlers essentially muzzled them for some reason and that took away a massive likability factor from them, one that would have put genuine convictions on full display.

by **Heat Miser** 07/11/24, 04:18 pm

sεяεηιτλ wrote:
Heat Miser wrote:Hmmmm...

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Most of all, I think people are attracted to other people that have genuinely detectable convictions and can fight for them. Donald Trump being the exception as he is a con man. But if you ask all his voters I guarantee you that they think he is genuine in his convictions. Sanders is definitely genuine sounding in his beliefs. Biden I think generally is but he's too much of a tweener to have any real convictions which leads to a perceived lack of long term vision. Kamala and Hillary, those two were fine on paper but both always rang kind of hollow. The only times I genuinely thought they were likable was when they very briefly entered into like a unscripted prosecutor attack mode on certain topics. For some reason in both campaigns, I only ever saw that once out of each of them. I'm forced to conclude the party handlers essentially muzzled them for some reason and that took away a massive likability factor from them, one that would have put genuine convictions on full display.

The simple point I was trying to make is that these numbers don't really align with the thread title or the OPs opinion.

by **DWags** 07/11/24, 04:41 pm

Heat Miser wrote:
sεяεηιτλ wrote:

Most of all, I think people are attracted to other people that have genuinely detectable convictions and can fight for them. Donald Trump being the exception as he is a con man. But if you ask all his voters I guarantee you that they think he is genuine in his convictions. Sanders is definitely genuine sounding in his beliefs. Biden I think generally is but he's too much of a tweener to have any real convictions which leads to a perceived lack of long term vision. Kamala and Hillary, those two were fine on paper but both always rang kind of hollow. The only times I genuinely thought they were likable was when they very briefly entered into like a unscripted prosecutor attack mode on certain topics. For some reason in both campaigns, I only ever saw that once out of each of them. I'm forced to conclude the party handlers essentially muzzled them for some reason and that took away a massive likability factor from them, one that would have put genuine convictions on full display.

The simple point I was trying to make is that these numbers don't really align with the thread title or the OPs opinion.

Neither did a lot of the polls. I have a shit ton of anecdotal evidence between my wife, my daughters and myself regarding our “friends”. Quotations cause fuck them and their reasons for not voting Harris. But sure let’s throw the equivalent of Bernie out there in 28. See what happens. Monday morning quarterbacks are often wrong in regards to football. I freely admit, I only have anecdotal evidence and my opinion. So sure let’s go further left. I’d be comfortable with it. I also think we’d get our ass kicked.

by **Heat Miser** 07/11/24, 04:55 pm

DWags wrote:
Heat Miser wrote:
sεяεηιτλ wrote:

Most of all, I think people are attracted to other people that have genuinely detectable convictions and can fight for them. Donald Trump being the exception as he is a con man. But if you ask all his voters I guarantee you that they think he is genuine in his convictions. Sanders is definitely genuine sounding in his beliefs. Biden I think generally is but he's too much of a tweener to have any real convictions which leads to a perceived lack of long term vision. Kamala and Hillary, those two were fine on paper but both always rang kind of hollow. The only times I genuinely thought they were likable was when they very briefly entered into like a unscripted prosecutor attack mode on certain topics. For some reason in both campaigns, I only ever saw that once out of each of them. I'm forced to conclude the party handlers essentially muzzled them for some reason and that took away a massive likability factor from them, one that would have put genuine convictions on full display.

The simple point I was trying to make is that these numbers don't really align with the thread title or the OPs opinion.

Neither did a lot of the polls. I have a shit ton of anecdotal evidence between my wife, my daughters and myself regarding our “friends”. Quotations cause fuck them and their reasons for not voting Harris. But sure let’s throw the equivalent of Bernie out there in 28. See what happens. Monday morning quarterbacks are often wrong in regards to football. I freely admit, I only have anecdotal evidence and my opinion. So sure let’s go further left. I’d be comfortable with it. I also think we’d get our ass kicked.

I think your "friends" were always going to find an "excuse" to vote Trump. October 7 or some silly woke shit is a nice safe excuse as opposed to she's black and/or a woman.

by **DWags** 07/11/24, 05:12 pm

Heat Miser wrote:
DWags wrote:

Neither did a lot of the polls. I have a shit ton of anecdotal evidence between my wife, my daughters and myself regarding our “friends”. Quotations cause fuck them and their reasons for not voting Harris. But sure let’s throw the equivalent of Bernie out there in 28. See what happens. Monday morning quarterbacks are often wrong in regards to football. I freely admit, I only have anecdotal evidence and my opinion. So sure let’s go further left. I’d be comfortable with it. I also think we’d get our ass kicked.

I think your "friends" were always going to find an "excuse" to vote Trump. October 7 or some silly woke shit is a nice safe excuse as opposed to she's black and/or a woman.

Again, I can’t speak for all of them, but I do know some of them were voting for Trump for the first time, Which pissed me off even more. And I do think it was because the Republicans won the Message

And the message the Republicans won on was Throwing the far left stuff at them Obviously, this last part is my opinion again. But the couple that we share the four basketball season tickets with filled in the bubble for Trump I told my wife I’m gonna have a really hard time sitting next to them this year

She was just as shocked as I was, especially that the wife voted Trump The wife is a physical therapist and was a pretty good college athlete. My guess was the transgender thing.

But I don’t know I wouldn’t have a problem with somebody further left. I do have a problem with our party, constantly eating the shit that shoveled at us without proper response.

by sεяεηιτλ 07/11/24, 06:03 pm

Heat Miser wrote:
sεяεηιτλ wrote:

Most of all, I think people are attracted to other people that have genuinely detectable convictions and can fight for them. Donald Trump being the exception as he is a con man. But if you ask all his voters I guarantee you that they think he is genuine in his convictions. Sanders is definitely genuine sounding in his beliefs. Biden I think generally is but he's too much of a tweener to have any real convictions which leads to a perceived lack of long term vision. Kamala and Hillary, those two were fine on paper but both always rang kind of hollow. The only times I genuinely thought they were likable was when they very briefly entered into like a unscripted prosecutor attack mode on certain topics. For some reason in both campaigns, I only ever saw that once out of each of them. I'm forced to conclude the party handlers essentially muzzled them for some reason and that took away a massive likability factor from them, one that would have put genuine convictions on full display.

The simple point I was trying to make is that these numbers don't really align with the thread title or the OPs opinion.

Yeah, I got that, I was offering though that it may be less to do with the progressive ideals and more to do with the person. Look at Walz as an example. People don't know him well but he was pretty progressive and his numbers are bad. He was never really let off the leash though. Im saying I consider people that are perhaps perpetually off the leash, speaking passionately, might be more likable on the whole. Sanders, for example, never sounded like he was a robot reading off of a teleprompter. He was like trump in a lot of ways at a podium with a microphone.

by sεяεηιτλ 07/11/24, 06:06 pm

DWags wrote:
Heat Miser wrote:

The simple point I was trying to make is that these numbers don't really align with the thread title or the OPs opinion.

Neither did a lot of the polls. I have a shit ton of anecdotal evidence between my wife, my daughters and myself regarding our “friends”. Quotations cause fuck them and their reasons for not voting Harris. But sure let’s throw the equivalent of Bernie out there in 28. See what happens. Monday morning quarterbacks are often wrong in regards to football. I freely admit, I only have anecdotal evidence and my opinion. So sure let’s go further left. I’d be comfortable with it. I also think we’d get our ass kicked.

A progressive like Elizabeth Warren absolutely but she's not likable. If it is a progressive it has to be one that isn't outwardly extreme and they need to be passionate and charismatic. I'm starting to think Democrats always acting like they are on a leash are a recipe for losing.

by **Heat Miser** 07/11/24, 06:09 pm

sεяεηιτλ wrote:
Heat Miser wrote:
sεяεηιτλ wrote:

Most of all, I think people are attracted to other people that have genuinely detectable convictions and can fight for them. Donald Trump being the exception as he is a con man. But if you ask all his voters I guarantee you that they think he is genuine in his convictions. Sanders is definitely genuine sounding in his beliefs. Biden I think generally is but he's too much of a tweener to have any real convictions which leads to a perceived lack of long term vision. Kamala and Hillary, those two were fine on paper but both always rang kind of hollow. The only times I genuinely thought they were likable was when they very briefly entered into like a unscripted prosecutor attack mode on certain topics. For some reason in both campaigns, I only ever saw that once out of each of them. I'm forced to conclude the party handlers essentially muzzled them for some reason and that took away a massive likability factor from them, one that would have put genuine convictions on full display.

The simple point I was trying to make is that these numbers don't really align with the thread title or the OPs opinion.

Yeah, I got that, I was offering though that it may be less to do with the progressive ideals and more to do with the person. Look at Walz as an example. People don't know him well but he was pretty progressive and his numbers are bad. He was never really let off the leash though. Im saying I consider people that are perhaps perpetually off the leash, speaking passionately, might be more likable on the whole.

Walz was favorable thru the DNC. Then the Dems inexplicably muzzled him for 2+ months. Pub counter messaging did the rest. Shitty campaign, shitty results.

by sεяεηιτλ 07/11/24, 06:11 pm

Heat Miser wrote:
sεяεηιτλ wrote:

Yeah, I got that, I was offering though that it may be less to do with the progressive ideals and more to do with the person. Look at Walz as an example. People don't know him well but he was pretty progressive and his numbers are bad. He was never really let off the leash though. Im saying I consider people that are perhaps perpetually off the leash, speaking passionately, might be more likable on the whole.

Walz was favorable thru the DNC. Then the Dems inexplicably muzzled him for 2+ months. Pub counter messaging did the rest. Shitty campaign, shitty results.

. Agreed, hence my comments about being on leashes and what not. That fact alone is a big turn off for a lot of people. I think there's a strong contingent that instinctually looks for a candidate seeming more like an actual human and being muzzled leads to inhuman tendencies.

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