Bridges in the 2017 NBA Draft?

If I'm reading between the lines, his mom's situation is likely what will push him out the door.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:I wonder, too, if the actuarial science guys can factor in the more subjective, intangible impact like seeing Eron Harris go down can have on such a decision?

'cause I gotta believe that matters.

They could also add in the fact he was injured for this season, got injured yesterday and his mom isn't doing so well.

I still also think 1.5 million in your hands a year early, even if you're making more money by year two (or three years down the road if he's staying) You make up in interest and conservative investments.

DWags wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:I wonder, too, if the actuarial science guys can factor in the more subjective, intangible impact like seeing Eron Harris go down can have on such a decision?

'cause I gotta believe that matters.

They could also add in the fact he was injured for this season, got injured yesterday and his mom isn't doing so well.  

I still also think 1.5 million in your hands a year early, even if you're making more money by year two (or three years down the road if he's staying) You make up in interest and conservative investments.

yep - and he seems like a good kid who (hopefully) will surround himself with the right folks as it relates to positive influences, investments, etc.

what's up with his mom? Haven't heard about that.

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:If I'm reading between the lines, his mom's situation is likely what will push him out the door.

What's mom's situation? She broke?

I think we'll have a better team next year (with or without him).

Clarett's Folly wrote:

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:If I'm reading between the lines, his mom's situation is likely what will push him out the door.

What's mom's situation? She broke?

Can't say for sure, but going off of clues I've picked up on elsewhere, sounds like he might want to improve her standard of living.

DWags wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:I wonder, too, if the actuarial science guys can factor in the more subjective, intangible impact like seeing Eron Harris go down can have on such a decision?

'cause I gotta believe that matters.

They could also add in the fact he was injured for this season, got injured yesterday and his mom isn't doing so well.  

I still also think 1.5 million in your hands a year early, even if you're making more money by year two (or three years down the road if he's staying) You make up in interest and conservative investments.

You're right dwags. Though it's pretty close. If I did math good. Which maybe. I'm assuming that his contract after the rookie contract would be the same either way, just one less year of it. Cant really adjust for that. Edit- 6% interest rate.

With the rookie contract this year then 7 years after of making 5 million a year he would have 49827224

With the rookie contract next year then 6 years after of making 5 million a year he would have 48685515

So that puts him at 1.2 million richer 10 years from today if he leaves now, all other things equal.

If we extend it to 15 years instead of 10 it's 94865530 vs 93337666 in favor of getting money now.

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:

Clarett's Folly wrote:

What's mom's situation? She broke?

Can't say for sure, but going off of clues I've picked up on elsewhere, sounds like he might want to improve her standard of living.

don't we all..

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:

Clarett's Folly wrote:

What's mom's situation? She broke?

Can't say for sure, but going off of clues I've picked up on elsewhere, sounds like he might want to improve her standard of living.

Why is it that Michigan Football can hire the parent of every single one of their players into an administrative position but we can't find a $50K/yr job for Mrs. Bridges?

Clarett's Folly wrote:

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:

Can't say for sure, but going off of clues I've picked up on elsewhere, sounds like he might want to improve her standard of living.

Why is it that Michigan Football can hire the parent of every single one of their players into an administrative position but we can't find a $50K/yr job for Mrs. Bridges?

Maybe Mrs Bridges just wanted her kid to go somewhere that had a coach that wasn't afraid to be tough on her son and that was good enough. If he wants to do sleepovers, make videos, and climb trees, he's got plenty of adolescent friends to do that with.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:I wonder, too, if the actuarial science guys can factor in the more subjective, intangible impact like seeing Eron Harris go down can have on such a decision?

'cause I gotta believe that matters.

I get so confused when you actually talk about sports. I mean that in a good way.

Clarett's Folly wrote:

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:

Can't say for sure, but going off of clues I've picked up on elsewhere, sounds like he might want to improve her standard of living.

Why is it that Michigan Football can hire the parent of every single one of their players into an administrative position but we can't find a $50K/yr job for Mrs. Bridges?

because we run a very clean and ethical athletic program and they do not.

InTenSity wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:I wonder, too, if the actuarial science guys can factor in the more subjective, intangible impact like seeing Eron Harris go down can have on such a decision?

'cause I gotta believe that matters.

I get so confused when you actually talk about sports. I mean that in a good way.

I'm good when it comes to the theoretical stuff.. actual discussion about larger issues. If you want to breakdown the box and 1 or the full court press.. or the wing T, I'm not your man.

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

DWags wrote:

They could also add in the fact he was injured for this season, got injured yesterday and his mom isn't doing so well.  

I still also think 1.5 million in your hands a year early, even if you're making more money by year two (or three years down the road if he's staying) You make up in interest and conservative investments.

You're right dwags. Though it's pretty close. If I did math good. Which maybe. I'm assuming that his contract after the rookie contract would be the same either way, just one less year of it. Cant really adjust for that. Edit- 6% interest rate.

With the rookie contract this year then 7 years after of making 5 million a year he would have 49827224

With the rookie contract next year then 6 years after of making 5 million a year he would have 48685515

So that puts him at 1.2 million richer 10 years from today if he leaves now, all other things equal.

If we extend it to 15 years instead of 10 it's 94865530 vs 93337666 in favor of getting money now.

Teams have options for Year 4 (and I think even Year 5). The % increases for those years (I think) would swing the advantage to waiting and being a #6 vs. coming out a year earlier as a #16.

My guess is there are accountants available to players who can figure all that crap out. Davis falling a bit last year might make him question coming out this year.

Hey dwags, Nigel's right now because of the information he didn't provide earlier. If his 4th year contract is picked up it would be 47415547 vs 46466699 in favor of waiting a year.

Please provide all relavent information in the future nigel.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

Clarett's Folly wrote:

Why is it that Michigan Football can hire the parent of every single one of their players into an administrative position but we can't find a $50K/yr job for Mrs. Bridges?

because we run a very clean and ethical athletic program and they do not.

I know this is a jab at the hypocrisy involved with being a sports fan, but objectively, there is some legitimate truth to this and as someone with local connections, you likely know it, as well. Izzo does not play that game. He understands what is going on, knows he could get away with it under the rules, but it's not his cup of tea.

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
because we run a very clean and ethical athletic program and they do not.

I know this is a jab at the hypocrisy involved with being a sports fan, but objectively, there is some legitimate truth to this and as someone with local connections, you likely know it, as well. Izzo does not play that game. He understands what is going on, knows he could get away with it under the rules, but it's not his cup of tea.

I know - but in the era of big money modern athletics, I don't really think any fans of any particular university has a shred of moral authority over another random university.

it's what some people do to make themselves feel better about their particular station in life - which is cool... we all need whatever mechanisms we choose. I just think it's silly and quite disingenuous.

that's all, dude -

I know - but in the era of big money modern athletics, I don't really think any fans of any particular university has a shred of moral authority over another random university.

it's what some people do to make themselves feel better about their particular station in life - which is cool... we all need whatever mechanisms we choose. I just think it's silly and quite disingenuous.

that's all, dude -

Folks, I think we just found the MSU bagman.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:

I know this is a jab at the hypocrisy involved with being a sports fan, but objectively, there is some legitimate truth to this and as someone with local connections, you likely know it, as well. Izzo does not play that game. He understands what is going on, knows he could get away with it under the rules, but it's not his cup of tea.

I know - but in the era of big money modern athletics, I don't really think any fans of any particular university has a shred of moral authority over another random university.

it's what some people do to make themselves feel better about their particular station in life - which is cool... we all need whatever mechanisms we choose. I just think it's silly and quite disingenuous.

that's all, dude -

I get that, but didn't see anyone here make that leap in this thread. CF knows the answer to his question. The bigger question is whether you want to see Izzo jump off of that ledge or not. Some think it's silly for him not to in this day and age.

InTenSity wrote:

I know - but in the era of big money modern athletics, I don't really think any fans of any particular university has a shred of moral authority over another random university.

it's what some people do to make themselves feel better about their particular station in life - which is cool... we all need whatever mechanisms we choose. I just think it's silly and quite disingenuous.

that's all, dude -

Folks, I think we just found the MSU bagman.

I don't even know what this means but, for whatever reason, I chuckled.

InTenSity wrote:

I know - but in the era of big money modern athletics, I don't really think any fans of any particular university has a shred of moral authority over another random university.

it's what some people do to make themselves feel better about their particular station in life - which is cool... we all need whatever mechanisms we choose. I just think it's silly and quite disingenuous.

that's all, dude -

Folks, I think we just found the MSU bagman.

Wonder if he's been leaving $20 bills in library books for Miles and Nick Ward.

All I know is my life depends on Bridges doing the right thing

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
I know - but in the era of big money modern athletics, I don't really think any fans of any particular university has a shred of moral authority over another random university.

it's what some people do to make themselves feel better about their particular station in life - which is cool... we all need whatever mechanisms we choose. I just think it's silly and quite disingenuous.

that's all, dude -

I get that, but didn't see anyone here make that leap in this thread. CF knows the answer to his question. The bigger question is whether you want to see Izzo jump off of that ledge or not. Some think it's silly for him not to in this day and age.

meh, I don't know - we can continue to operate with whatever degree of purity people may think we have.. and if that's important to people, that's cool - or we can go down other roads that, while legal under NCAA rules, might clash with old school ethics and others will be excited about that.

it truly doesn't matter to me.. but promoting our perceived purity is the new whining about officiating. To me, it's the kind of thing that the losing fan base does.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:

I know this is a jab at the hypocrisy involved with being a sports fan, but objectively, there is some legitimate truth to this and as someone with local connections, you likely know it, as well. Izzo does not play that game. He understands what is going on, knows he could get away with it under the rules, but it's not his cup of tea.

I know - but in the era of big money modern athletics, I don't really think any fans of any particular university has a shred of moral authority over another random university.

it's what some people do to make themselves feel better about their particular station in life - which is cool... we all need whatever mechanisms we choose. I just think it's silly and quite disingenuous.

that's all, dude -

I think you misunderstand. I was not lamenting the fact that we are one of the only ones playing by the rules and, therefore, enjoy some sort of moral superiority over our rivals but, rather, that we seem to be one of the only schools insisting on adhering to a conduct of behavior so outdated that the NCAA doesn't even bother to attempt to police it anymore.
In my opinion Miles Bridges should and will declare for the NBA Draft.
However, if he enjoys playing at MSU so much that he would be willing to delay that decision for another year his mother's financial situation should not force his hand and MSU should be able to step up and help as many other universities before them have already done.

Clarett's Folly wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
I know - but in the era of big money modern athletics, I don't really think any fans of any particular university has a shred of moral authority over another random university.

it's what some people do to make themselves feel better about their particular station in life - which is cool... we all need whatever mechanisms we choose. I just think it's silly and quite disingenuous.

that's all, dude -

I think you misunderstand. I was not lamenting the fact that we are one of the only ones playing by the rules and, therefore, enjoy some sort of moral superiority over our rivals but, rather, that we seem to be one of the only schools insisting on adhering to a conduct of behavior so outdated that the NCAA doesn't even bother to attempt to police it anymore.
In my opinion Miles Bridges should and will declare for the NBA Draft.
However, if he enjoys playing at MSU so much that he would be willing to delay that decision for another year his mother's financial situation should not force his hand and MSU should be able to step up and help as many other universities before them have already done.

I hear ya, dude. The NCAA and the universities makes a ton of money off of these kids and, yes, they get an opportunity at an education in return - but the system is woefully outdated and, often, disenfranchises the student-athletes that need the most support. I think most of us can agree on that.

I say he does what's best for him and his family. That's all.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

Clarett's Folly wrote:

I think you misunderstand. I was not lamenting the fact that we are one of the only ones playing by the rules and, therefore, enjoy some sort of moral superiority over our rivals but, rather, that we seem to be one of the only schools insisting on adhering to a conduct of behavior so outdated that the NCAA doesn't even bother to attempt to police it anymore.
In my opinion Miles Bridges should and will declare for the NBA Draft.
However, if he enjoys playing at MSU so much that he would be willing to delay that decision for another year his mother's financial situation should not force his hand and MSU should be able to step up and help as many other universities before them have already done.

I hear ya, dude. The NCAA and the universities makes a ton of money off of these kids and, yes, they get an opportunity at an education in return - but the system is woefully outdated and, often, disenfranchises the student-athletes that need the most support. I think most of us can agree on that.

I say he does what's best for him and his family. That's all.

Yes. Michigan employs a woman who is the mother of a football player whose job title is literally "Team Mom." That woman, per MLive.com, makes $160K/yr.
Kansas recently had a basketball player (I think it was Sherron Collins) who was thinking of declaring for the draft to help improve his family's situation. Bill Self hired his dad to the coaching staff to the tune of $150K/yr. and the player returned to Kansas for another year.
If Miles' mom's situation is the deciding factor what is preventing us from doing something similar? The answer is us. We are preventing ourselves from doing something similar.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

Clarett's Folly wrote:

I think you misunderstand. I was not lamenting the fact that we are one of the only ones playing by the rules and, therefore, enjoy some sort of moral superiority over our rivals but, rather, that we seem to be one of the only schools insisting on adhering to a conduct of behavior so outdated that the NCAA doesn't even bother to attempt to police it anymore.
In my opinion Miles Bridges should and will declare for the NBA Draft.
However, if he enjoys playing at MSU so much that he would be willing to delay that decision for another year his mother's financial situation should not force his hand and MSU should be able to step up and help as many other universities before them have already done.

I hear ya, dude. The NCAA and the universities makes a ton of money off of these kids and, yes, they get an opportunity at an education in return - but the system is woefully outdated and, often, disenfranchises the student-athletes that need the most support. I think most of us can agree on that.

I say he does what's best for him and his family. That's all.

What is outdated by the system we use for student athletes?

Like they should be getting a stipend? My issue is that, no doubt UNC and Kentucky can afford a stipend. But what about Central Michigan? What about women athletes? Do only minority athletes from inner cities get stipends? Who pays for it, tax payers? Athletic revenue that's used to pay for womens sports?

Clarett's Folly wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:I hear ya, dude. The NCAA and the universities makes a ton of money off of these kids and, yes, they get an opportunity at an education in return - but the system is woefully outdated and, often, disenfranchises the student-athletes that need the most support. I think most of us can agree on that.

I say he does what's best for him and his family. That's all.

Yes. Michigan employs a woman who is the mother of a football player whose job title is literally "Team Mom." That woman, per MLive.com, makes $160K/yr.
Kansas recently had a basketball player (I think it was Sherron Collins) who was thinking of declaring for the draft to help improve his family's situation. Bill Self hired his dad to the coaching staff to the tune of $150K/yr. and the player returned to Kansas for another year.
If Miles' mom's situation is the deciding factor what is preventing us from doing something similar? The answer is us. We are preventing ourselves from doing something similar.

This is why once again being a huge program with cash to burn only makes the playing field more un even.

Clarett's Folly wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:I hear ya, dude. The NCAA and the universities makes a ton of money off of these kids and, yes, they get an opportunity at an education in return - but the system is woefully outdated and, often, disenfranchises the student-athletes that need the most support. I think most of us can agree on that.

I say he does what's best for him and his family. That's all.

Yes. Michigan employs a woman who is the mother of a football player whose job title is literally "Team Mom." That woman, per MLive.com, makes $160K/yr.
Kansas recently had a basketball player (I think it was Sherron Collins) who was thinking of declaring for the draft to help improve his family's situation. Bill Self hired his dad to the coaching staff to the tune of $150K/yr. and the player returned to Kansas for another year.
If Miles' mom's situation is the deciding factor what is preventing us from doing something similar? The answer is us. We are preventing ourselves from doing something similar.

it's a good gig if you can get it.

The_Dude wrote:

Clarett's Folly wrote:

Yes. Michigan employs a woman who is the mother of a football player whose job title is literally "Team Mom." That woman, per MLive.com, makes $160K/yr.
Kansas recently had a basketball player (I think it was Sherron Collins) who was thinking of declaring for the draft to help improve his family's situation. Bill Self hired his dad to the coaching staff to the tune of $150K/yr. and the player returned to Kansas for another year.
If Miles' mom's situation is the deciding factor what is preventing us from doing something similar? The answer is us. We are preventing ourselves from doing something similar.

This is why once again being a huge program with cash to burn only makes the playing field more un even.

I agree with your sentiment. I just have no interest in being the program to fall on that sword in the name of fairness.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:I wonder, too, if the actuarial science guys can factor in the more subjective, intangible impact like seeing Eron Harris go down can have on such a decision?

'cause I gotta believe that matters.

And that's why you buy the $10Million. It'll be up to the kid and I think he's going to go, but the insurance does cover his butt a bit.

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:If I'm reading between the lines, his mom's situation is likely what will push him out the door.

He'd be kind of be stupid to come back. He's been real strong after his injury and will push to be a top 10 pick. He's 3 months away from earning life altering money.

LooseGoose wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:I wonder, too, if the actuarial science guys can factor in the more subjective, intangible impact like seeing Eron Harris go down can have on such a decision?

'cause I gotta believe that matters.

And that's why you buy the $10Million. It'll be up to the kid and I think he's going to go, but the insurance does cover his butt a bit.

or his mom could apply for the "Team Mom" position when it's posted on the HR site.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

LooseGoose wrote:

And that's why you buy the $10Million. It'll be up to the kid and I think he's going to go, but the insurance does cover his butt a bit.

or his mom could apply for the "Team Mom" position when it's posted on the HR site.

I can't bear the thought that our fine players continue to go unmothered all this time.

Clarett's Folly wrote:

The_Dude wrote:

This is why once again being a huge program with cash to burn only makes the playing field more un even.

I agree with your sentiment. I just have no interest in being the program to fall on that sword in the name of fairness.

Yeah, how many fucking video editors does Saban employ?

Clarett's Folly wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:or his mom could apply for the "Team Mom" position when it's posted on the HR site.

I can't bear the thought that our fine players continue to go unmothered all this time.

but, without a Team Mom, where will our players go to get an orange slice after a particularly challenging practice?

Wait...we don't already have a team mom?? Well that explains a lot of things!

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:

I get that, but didn't see anyone here make that leap in this thread. CF knows the answer to his question. The bigger question is whether you want to see Izzo jump off of that ledge or not. Some think it's silly for him not to in this day and age.

meh, I don't know - we can continue to operate with whatever degree of purity people may think we have.. and if that's important to people, that's cool - or we can go down other roads that, while legal under NCAA rules, might clash with old school ethics and others will be excited about that.

it truly doesn't matter to me.. but promoting our perceived purity is the new whining about officiating. To me, it's the kind of thing that the losing fan base does.

sorta like you and Trump?

Miles Bridges' NBA draft-or-MSU decision may be harder than you think

LooseGoose wrote:Miles Bridges' NBA draft-or-MSU decision may be harder than you think

I really hope he does what's in my best interests.