Obsession - the tears of my enemies.

Nordic wrote:

tGreenWay wrote:

It's not a snub until Herbie declares it a snub.

This is going to be a Chip game!

Program game. Are you prepared to lay your ass on the line?

DWags wrote:

MiamiSpartan wrote:Has a NYD bowl ever had two unranked teams playing?  

That really stands out for the Outback Bowl as you're scrolling through the list of bowls.  This reminds me of their Sugar Bowl year when it was widely considered one of the weakest BCS bowl match ups.  Look the bowls and see the other bowls that pit two unranked Power 5 teams against each other.  The Cactus Bowl, The Dallas Bowl, The Pinstripe Bowl, and others like that.  Umm, congrats, I guess?  

The added beauty is that this just feeds the paper tiger.  They actually take pride in getting a higher bowl because of their name brand and not on merit.  It keeps their arrogance high, which is what holds them back.

January 1, 2011   Outback.  7-5 Penn State vs. 7-5 Florida.  Both were 4-4 in their league.   Over 60K attended and it got a 7.1 Nielsen (12.4 million viewers)

So, yeah, I googled that question.   

Bowl games are all about making money and putting fans into seats.   I blame the Big Ten somewhat for the Holiday bowl slight, but I also blame our fan base, too.  Dantonio has brought our program along, but I don't think our fans have caught up to him yet, or worse, after a decade of good football, still are ho-hum about it.  Iowa, PSU, OSU, Wisconsin, Michigan, as much as we joke about it, they do "travel well" I guess.  I really don't know if our fan base does or not, or if bowls consider our fan base one that does.   But it seems to me we don't have the reputation of the schools I've listed.   I'm part of the blame, I had a chance to go to the playoff game, but didn't.  I'm iffy about this game too.

Good job looking that up. I'm sure UM must be proud to be in company with two 7-5 teams.

At times we do travel well, at times it's just ok. It's a big commitment for most of our fanbase to travel with flights, hotel, family, and jobs to think of. It's easier when a big chunk of UM's fanbase don't even have to leave their house. They just drive their house down to Florida.

Apparently SCum doesn't mind having the appearance of being the dirtiest program in the B1G. When you back the van up to the dirtiest program in the SEC, and I'm pretty sure lowest academic standard, you've pretty much pushed all your chips into the middle of the table. Do you think Desperate Jim makes this move if he's .500 against rivals and a finish higher than third in his own division?

kingstonlake wrote:Apparently SCum doesn't mind having the appearance of being the dirtiest program in the B1G. When you back the van up to the dirtiest program in the SEC, and I'm pretty sure lowest academic standard, you've pretty much pushed all your chips into the middle of the table. Do you think Desperate Jim makes this move if he's .500 against rivals and a finish higher than third in his own division?

What are you talking about dwags?

InTenSity wrote:

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:

What are you talking about dwags?

um is looking to take 4-6 players, maybe more from Mississippi State or regular. They were just put on probation for being dirty in the SEC. Therefor um is throwing out all of their righteousness in an order to maybe be able to compete. Or something like that. Basically they are looking for a bandaid, don't care how dirty the bandaid is and will do anything to win.

Thank you intensity

kingstonlake wrote:Apparently SCum doesn't mind having the appearance of being the dirtiest program in the B1G. When you back the van up to the dirtiest program in the SEC, and I'm pretty sure lowest academic standard, you've pretty much pushed all your chips into the middle of the table. Do you think Desperate Jim makes this move if he's .500 against rivals and a finish higher than third in his own division?

I think it's possible he'd do it even if he had a bad record. He's trying to get a pipeline to the south going and if those players have success up in Ann Arbor he could attract more recruits on down the road.

steveschneider wrote:I think it’s a sign of intelligence on our part that we don’t travel well. We traveled well for the rose bowl because the Rose Bowl has history, it’s california and it was a great matchup. Who would want to travel to see us got stomped by Alabama? Or travel to some of these dumb ass lower level bowls? The truth is smart people know it’s better to watch most of these at home on tv. I think the bowl system is to blame too, they gotta step up their game if they expect me to get on a plane and go to this stuff.

Also, I bet we travel well to final fours and that’s because they are worth it.  

I agree 100% and will add that our athletic department is part of the problem.  They give our fans no incentive to attend.

Why would I pay for an overpriced joke of a bowl package - so MSU can get a kickback?
Why would I pay more to buy seats through our ATO and sit in the worst areas of the stadium?

Even when faced with a situation of unprecedented demand we somehow manage to screw the pooch deciding who gets tickets.

Kudos to all of the fans who still drink the kool-aid - but for me watching the game in my home theater with friends sounds like the best option.

steveschneider wrote:

kingstonlake wrote:Apparently SCum doesn't mind having the appearance of being the dirtiest program in the B1G. When you back the van up to the dirtiest program in the SEC, and I'm pretty sure lowest academic standard, you've pretty much pushed all your chips into the middle of the table. Do you think Desperate Jim makes this move if he's .500 against rivals and a finish higher than third in his own division?

I think it's possible he'd do it even if he had a bad record. He's trying to get a pipeline to the south going and if those players have success up in Ann Arbor he could attract more recruits on down the road.

Did you mean good record? I have to disagree. His recent butt hurt over an innocuous response to a question from coach D, everyone aware their bowl bid was given not earned, seems he's feeling the pressure hence the open arms to ole Miss, a program their fan base routinely takes to ask as the dirtiest program down their.

kingstonlake wrote:

steveschneider wrote:

I think it's possible he'd do it even if he had a bad record. He's trying to get a pipeline to the south going and if those players have success up in Ann Arbor he could attract more recruits on down the road.

Did you mean good record? I have to disagree. His recent butt hurt over an innocuous response to a question from coach D, everyone aware their bowl bid was given not earned, seems he's feeling the pressure hence the open arms to ole Miss, a program their fan base routinely takes to ask as the dirtiest program down their.

Correction, meant better record. I agree he's probably trying to do things a little differently to get the program going, but he's been trying to get recruits out of the south for a while. All the camps he held down there was a strategy to get a footprint in SEC territory and I can see this as another way to do that. With all those players he takes in he can get a relationship going with their high school coaches and try to recruit more players from the south.

MSU addict wrote:

steveschneider wrote:I think it’s a sign of intelligence on our part that we don’t travel well. We traveled well for the rose bowl because the Rose Bowl has history, it’s california and it was a great matchup. Who would want to travel to see us got stomped by Alabama? Or travel to some of these dumb ass lower level bowls? The truth is smart people know it’s better to watch most of these at home on tv. I think the bowl system is to blame too, they gotta step up their game if they expect me to get on a plane and go to this stuff.

Also, I bet we travel well to final fours and that’s because they are worth it.  

I agree 100% and will add that our athletic department is part of the problem.  They give our fans no incentive to attend.

Why would I pay for an overpriced joke of a bowl package - so MSU can get a kickback?
Why would I pay more to buy seats through our ATO and sit in the worst areas of the stadium?

Even when faced with a situation of unprecedented demand we somehow manage to screw the pooch deciding who gets tickets.

Kudos to all of the fans who still drink the kool-aid - but for me watching the game in my home theater with friends sounds like the best option.

I'm saving my travel for next years home football games. Really want to go to the UofM home game next year.

MSU addict wrote:

steveschneider wrote:I think it’s a sign of intelligence on our part that we don’t travel well. We traveled well for the rose bowl because the Rose Bowl has history, it’s california and it was a great matchup. Who would want to travel to see us got stomped by Alabama? Or travel to some of these dumb ass lower level bowls? The truth is smart people know it’s better to watch most of these at home on tv. I think the bowl system is to blame too, they gotta step up their game if they expect me to get on a plane and go to this stuff.

Also, I bet we travel well to final fours and that’s because they are worth it.  

I agree 100% and will add that our athletic department is part of the problem.  They give our fans no incentive to attend.

Why would I pay for an overpriced joke of a bowl package - so MSU can get a kickback?
Why would I pay more to buy seats through our ATO and sit in the worst areas of the stadium?

Even when faced with a situation of unprecedented demand we somehow manage to screw the pooch deciding who gets tickets.

Kudos to all of the fans who still drink the kool-aid - but for me watching the game in my home theater with friends sounds like the best option.

I have taken it to the point where I rarely if ever buy any tickets from MSU including home games.
Peeps here might find it hard to believe but I am the worst kind of fan to MSU.

Given Harbro's interest in the UMiss QB, I'd be pissed if I was a um QB or QB commit. Gotta wonder if McCaffrey looks to leave.

Herbie Green wrote:

MSU addict wrote:
I agree 100% and will add that our athletic department is part of the problem.  They give our fans no incentive to attend.

Why would I pay for an overpriced joke of a bowl package - so MSU can get a kickback?
Why would I pay more to buy seats through our ATO and sit in the worst areas of the stadium?

Even when faced with a situation of unprecedented demand we somehow manage to screw the pooch deciding who gets tickets.

Kudos to all of the fans who still drink the kool-aid - but for me watching the game in my home theater with friends sounds like the best option.

I have taken it to the point where I rarely if ever buy any tickets from MSU including home games.
Peeps here might find it hard to believe but I am the worst kind of fan to MSU.

If you don’t enjoy it no reason to go. As they say to each their own.

Herbie Green wrote:

MSU addict wrote:
I agree 100% and will add that our athletic department is part of the problem.  They give our fans no incentive to attend.

Why would I pay for an overpriced joke of a bowl package - so MSU can get a kickback?
Why would I pay more to buy seats through our ATO and sit in the worst areas of the stadium?

Even when faced with a situation of unprecedented demand we somehow manage to screw the pooch deciding who gets tickets.

Kudos to all of the fans who still drink the kool-aid - but for me watching the game in my home theater with friends sounds like the best option.

I have taken it to the point where I rarely if ever buy any tickets from MSU including home games.
Peeps here might find it hard to believe but I am the worst kind of fan to MSU.

It warms the cockles of my heart when I agree with Herbie, and he's right here (for real).

I learned my lesson in 99/00 not to get my tickets through the school. I called in the second they went on sale (started trying even before that). I had to be among the first 100 people to put in my order for the Citrus Bowl. Upper deck, corner. Fuck that shit. For all of those other Florida bowls, we went the StubHub route. Paid more than through the school, but got better seats.

Personally, I don't buy the narrative that contributes to MSU not having a reputation for traveling well. If a bowl sees 30,000 people wearing green, they aren't going to give a shit if only 5,000 of the allotted 10-12,000 were purchased through the school. In fact, they probably prefer it that way, as the school has to pay for the full allotment regardless. So MSU doesn't like that, but it's their own policies that drive people toward the secondary market, so I won't shed any tears for them. They choose to please a small number of bigger donors over the masses. That's cool, I won't begrudge them doing that. But don't then ask the masses to buy up the shitty seats.

I had never even thought of it that way Miami and you very well might be right.

tGreenWay wrote:Given Harbro's interest in the UMiss QB, I'd be pissed if I was a um QB or QB commit. Gotta wonder if McCaffrey looks to leave.

I agree. it's one thing to recruit HS QB's. But he's obviously sending a signal to the kids he recruited, that he thinks he can do better. they should too.

tGreenWay wrote:Given Harbro's interest in the UMiss QB, I'd be pissed if I was a um QB or QB commit. Gotta wonder if McCaffrey looks to leave.

Who? That Ta'amu kid? Nevermind, I looked online and saw it was Patterson. A couple things about this. This seems to be yet another signal that Harbs doesn't think that Peters is the guy. It pretty much ruins the theory that UM would've beaten us if they had played Peters instead of O'Korn. If you would've told UM fans that heading into year 4 of the Harbaugh regime they would be 1-3 against us, 0-3 against OSU, still unsettled at the QB position, and raiding 6-6 teams for transfers to fill out their depth chartthey would've said you were crazy but here we are.

kingstonlake wrote:

tGreenWay wrote:Given Harbro's interest in the UMiss QB, I'd be pissed if I was a um QB or QB commit. Gotta wonder if McCaffrey looks to leave.

I agree. it's one thing to recruit HS QB's. But he's obviously sending a signal to the kids he recruited, that he thinks he can do better. they should too.

It feels like he has no idea how to spot a good QB (or develop a QB into being good) and is just playing the odds, figuring that the more QBs he brings in, the better the chance of one being worth a damn.

Yep - it's just another game to them.

Seahawks Malik McDowell arrested

LooseGoose wrote:Yep - it's just another game to them.

Seahawks Malik McDowell arrested

Did you check with the moral high ground all knowing, what a model MSU fan should be, czar before posting this?

Shea Patterson made it official, u of m bound.

Floyd Robertson wrote:Shea Patterson made it official, u of m bound.

Good. I like the "commitment" he shows to the guys he recruited.

Floyd Robertson wrote:Shea Patterson made it official, u of m bound.

Jim Harbaugh has done a great job developing this young guy.

Quarterback whissssssspppppererrrr

By the way, our Defense is going to crawl up their ass next year.

Beautiful, this sets up all kinds of possible meltdowns:

1) he has to sit a year.
2) something dirty surfaces from Miss about him.
3) Peters transfers
4) McCaffery transfers
5) Patterson fails on the field - what's the excuse for no titles at that point?
6) Locker room splits into Peters/Patterson factions
7) Milton deCommitts

I'm sure I'm missing some potential fun.....but this should be interesting.

Floyd Robertson wrote:Shea Patterson made it official, u of m bound.

I guess Peters isn't the Second Coming after all

LooseGoose wrote:Beautiful, this sets up all kinds of possible meltdowns:

1) he has to sit a year.
2) something dirty surfaces from Miss about him.
3) Peters transfers
4) McCaffery transfers
5) Patterson fails on the field - what's the excuse for no titles at that point?
6) Locker room splits into Peters/Patterson factions
7) Milton deCommitts

I'm sure I'm missing some potential fun.....but this should be interesting.

He won't have to sit since Ole Miss is on probation

Dr. Strangelove wrote:

Floyd Robertson wrote:Shea Patterson made it official, u of m bound.

I guess Peters isn't the Second Coming after all

You can never have too many September Heisman candidate QBs on one team.

Dr. Strangelove wrote:

LooseGoose wrote:Beautiful, this sets up all kinds of possible meltdowns:

1) he has to sit a year.
2) something dirty surfaces from Miss about him.
3) Peters transfers
4) McCaffery transfers
5) Patterson fails on the field - what's the excuse for no titles at that point?
6) Locker room splits into Peters/Patterson factions
7) Milton deCommitts

I'm sure I'm missing some potential fun.....but this should be interesting.

He won't have to sit since Ole Miss is on probation

He's not a Sr so right now the ruling is that he sits. He's suing the NCAA to change that.

I love it when this gets reiterated.

Already massive at MGoBlow......they never get over winning the off seasons.

Floyd Robertson wrote:I love it when this gets reiterated.

He doesn't mention @Northwestern - of course at MGo they're blowing that one off since they're "only" Top25....from the fanbase of an unranked 8-4 team.

DWags wrote:

Floyd Robertson wrote:Shea Patterson made it official, u of m bound.

Jim Harbaugh has done a great job developing this young guy.

Quarterback whissssssspppppererrrr

The QB Whisperer whispers to Brandon Peters "you're not very good."

LooseGoose wrote:

Dr. Strangelove wrote:

He won't have to sit since Ole Miss is on probation

He's not a Sr so right now the ruling is that he sits. He's suing the NCAA to change that.

When the ncaa gives in and says ok to him, how shocked will you be on a scale of ten?

Clarett's Folly wrote:

DWags wrote:

Jim Harbaugh has done a great job developing this young guy.

Quarterback whissssssspppppererrrr

The QB Whisperer whispers to Brandon Peters "you're not very good."

And “I’m really not that good at talent evaluation and development”.

We win by 10 next year. Fuck them.

I'm going to bet he doesn't have to sit. Is this qb any good? Looking for sound analysis, should we be concerned?

I'm guessing since I've never heard of the guy no.

DWags wrote:

LooseGoose wrote:

He's not a Sr so right now the ruling is that he sits. He's suing the NCAA to change that.

When the ncaa gives in and says ok to him, how shocked will you be on a scale of ten?

2.88

steveschneider wrote:I'm going to bet he doesn't have to sit. Is this qb any good? Looking for sound analysis, should we be concerned?

I'm guessing since I've never heard of the guy no.

So far he's done well against crappy teams and struggled against good ones. That's at least somewhat true of most QBs though.