Re: White Supremacist Richard Spencer gets to speak at MSU after all.

by **I.B. Fine** 2018-03-05, 17:32

Robert J Sakimano wrote:The diversity rally is quite peaceful and welcoming.

What's on tap, Bob?

by **DWags** 2018-03-05, 17:34

Floyd Robertson wrote:It's actually not as bad as I thought, looks like maybe 80-100 people clashing. So that will be 1,000 by the time it hits the national news.

Clashing?

by Guest 2018-03-05, 17:36

I.B. Fine wrote:
Floyd Robertson wrote:It's actually not as bad as I thought, looks like maybe 80-100 people clashing. So that will be 1,000 by the time it hits the national news.
You know how I know they're idiots?
They're there. Spencer couldn't hire better stooges to promote himself.

Exactly. If all of those SJWs had simply stayed home there would have been a fizzle. No clashes. No film at 11. No publicity for the jackass. But they can't resist.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2018-03-05, 17:45

I.B. Fine wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:The diversity rally is quite peaceful and welcoming.
What's on tap, Bob?

had a Jack and Stroh's before I got here.

by **tGreenWay** 2018-03-05, 17:48

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
I.B. Fine wrote:
What's on tap, Bob?
had a Jack and Stroh's before I got here.

Really kind of surprised the minister didn’t approach you to say the big ~~fella~~ guy has a warrant out for your eternal detainment.

by Guest 2018-03-05, 17:50

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
I.B. Fine wrote:
What's on tap, Bob?
had a Jack and Stroh's before I got here.

Did you put on your hobnailed boots?

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by **NigelUno** 2018-03-05, 17:53

LooseGoose wrote:
I.B. Fine wrote:
You know how I know they're idiots?
They're there. Spencer couldn't hire better stooges to promote himself.

Exactly. If all of those SJWs had simply stayed home there would have been a fizzle. No clashes. No film at 11. No publicity for the jackass. But they can't resist.

So, the news would just totally ignore it? Like...completely? No coverage whatsoever?

by **I.B. Fine** 2018-03-05, 17:55

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
I.B. Fine wrote:
What's on tap, Bob?
had a Jack and Stroh's before I got here.

What? no beer? doesn't sound very inclusive to me.

by **NigelUno** 2018-03-05, 18:01

Alexandra Ilitch
‏@WLNSAlexandra
32m32 minutes ago
Spencer now referring to the opposition: “let’s be honest, good people are staying away because there’s violence outside.” Said he gave away 3 times the amount of tickets than there are people here right now.

by **NigelUno** 2018-03-05, 18:03

Alexandra Ilitch
‏@WLNSAlexandra
39m39 minutes ago
Between media and actual citizens inside the Pavillion listening to Spencer talk... I’d say under 50 people

by **DWags** 2018-03-05, 18:08

I just think the protesters would be more effective if they pointed and laughed.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2018-03-05, 18:08

I.B. Fine wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote: had a Jack and Stroh's before I got here.
What? no beer? doesn't sound very inclusive to me.

[lolz]

Inside wth EL cops, they told Meadows there's been some bottle throwing, etc. Few arrests. Seem to downplay the very fine people across campus.

by **Floyd Robertson** 2018-03-05, 18:12

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
I.B. Fine wrote:
What? no beer? doesn't sound very inclusive to me.
[lolz]

Inside wth EL cops, they told Meadows there's been some bottle throwing, etc. Few arrests. Seem to downplay the very fine people across campus.

Colons, Bob, not square brackets.

by **tGreenWay** 2018-03-05, 18:14

NigelUno wrote:Alexandra Ilitch
‏@WLNSAlexandra
39m39 minutes ago
Between media and actual citizens inside the Pavillion listening to Spencer talk... I’d say under 50 people

And that’s not figuring in local, state, and federal undercover LEOs pretending to be regular citizens.

by **tGreenWay** 2018-03-05, 18:22

gHost Spartan wrote:Can someone please summarize this I am too lazy to read the entire thread.

No.

by **Rocinante** 2018-03-05, 18:22

LooseGoose wrote:
I.B. Fine wrote:
You know how I know they're idiots?
They're there. Spencer couldn't hire better stooges to promote himself.

Exactly. If all of those SJWs had simply stayed home there would have been a fizzle. No clashes. No film at 11. No publicity for the jackass. But they can't resist.

I'm sorry you hate the constitution.

by **Watch Out Pylon!** 2018-03-05, 18:23

NigelUno wrote:Alexandra Ilitch
‏@WLNSAlexandra
39m39 minutes ago
Between media and actual citizens inside the Pavillion listening to Spencer talk... I’d say under 50 people

Should have held the rally at MSG.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2018-03-05, 18:25

Floyd Robertson wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:
[lolz]

Inside wth EL cops, they told Meadows there's been some bottle throwing, etc. Few arrests. Seem to downplay the very fine people across campus.
Colons, Bob, not square brackets.

sorry. I'm inside a church right now.. and very nervous.

by **tGreenWay** 2018-03-05, 18:30

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
Floyd Robertson wrote:
Colons, Bob, not square brackets.
sorry. I'm inside a church right now.. and very nervous.

by **Tim Wakefield** 2018-03-05, 18:32

gHost Spartan wrote:I have no issue allowing that racist fuck to speak but I think that MSU should either require everyone to attend so they can boo the fucker off the stage or encourage no one to actually show up

Email from Engler:

"
To the MSU campus community:

I was shocked, and I am grieved, to learn about the gunfire deaths at Central Michigan University this morning. Mount Pleasant is my hometown and I know the impacts of this tragedy will afflict the entire community.

I offer the deep sympathy of my family and the support of the entire Michigan State University community to our kin, our colleagues, and our friends in Mount Pleasant and at CMU.

Security on campus is the uppermost priority for universities everywhere, including at Michigan State. MSU Police have extensive planning in place for an active shooter incident. Those plans are drilled routinely, including coordinating with people and units across campus.

That planning includes many ways for us to communicate with the campus community, families, visitors, and the public in the event of an emergency. I strongly urge all members of our community to ensure their text, telephone, and email contact information is up to date at alert.msu.edu.

On Wednesday I traveled to Washington, D.C., to brief Michigan’s congressional delegation, alumni, and others on the progress Michigan State University is making in response to the numerous investigations stemming from Larry Nassar’s criminal conduct while at MSU.

Joining me was Jim Blanchard, my fellow former governor, whose DLA Piper law firm is assisting MSU with the five congressional or federal Department of Education inquiries that are underway.

Members of Congress and alumni listened, asked many questions, offered advice, and shared ideas for policies and processes to help with the healing and to protect students, patients, and others from sexual assault and harassment. I reaffirmed our commitment to continue our conversations across the MSU community, thus allowing us to learn from the experiences of survivors and responders to ensure we are creating a Spartan model that respects and treats every single person with dignity.

I was pleased to report to our D.C. audiences that the Relationship Violence and Sexual Misconduct Expert Advisory Workgroup I appointed last week had its first meeting. The workgroup quickly identified and addressed one problem, the need for a new protocol for police notification of the Office of Institutional Equity when investigating a sexual assault complaint. As I explained in my community letter last week, the workgroup will move promptly to recommend solutions when they reach consensus, and we continue to encourage MSU community members to submit suggestions using the online form.

Along the same lines, earlier in the week I presided over my first meeting of the University Council, which convenes the Faculty Senate, college deans, Council of Graduate Students, Associated Students of MSU, and others with administrators, the provost, and the president. I delivered a report about our compliance efforts, answered questions, and heard several students and faculty members urge that their voices be heard in the Board of Trustees’ search for a permanent president.

Looking toward next week, it is unfortunate that MSU will again likely wind up in a national spotlight when a white identity group holds an event Monday afternoon at the MSU Pavilion for Agriculture and Livestock Education. This group has earned notoriety for staging provocative, and sometimes violent, rallies in places like Charlottesville, Virginia, and at the University of Florida.

Freedom of speech protections under the U.S. Constitution prohibit public institutions like Michigan State from denying speakers access to our campus unless they pose an imminent risk. MSU attorneys used mediation to negotiate an agreement that met our requirements that the timing and location of an event that might threaten safety be held so as to minimize the risk of violence or disruption. Our staff found a way to keep safety as a top priority without abrogating First Amendment-protected speech, which in this case is plainly loathsome and in opposition to our values. I want to assure everyone that MSU Police are taking all appropriate security measures.

Michigan State always has recognized the right to free speech, even speech we find repugnant. Diversity of thought and the freedom to represent it and to speak it are essential to fostering scholarly excellence and to maintaining a democratic society. We do not silence people based on who they are or what they think. Yet people are still responsible for what they say and do.

Nobody affiliated with Michigan State invited this small, hateful group, and I doubt they’ll find support. The remarkable accomplishments of our diverse community of scholars expose the fraudulence of their racist rhetoric every day. But they come here hoping to gain energy by provoking reaction to their taunts. If we take the bait—if we return their hate—it only supports the preposterous claims to victimhood that sustain their ideology. They court headlines. They crave confrontation, because without it, their message of hate falls on deaf ears.

Let’s instead register our opposition by depriving them of the attention they desperately seek. For that, and for public safety, I’m urging people to steer clear of the area near the Pavilion. There are other community events that provide much better opportunities to demonstrate who Spartans really are: people motivated by love and inclusion, not hate and exclusion, and dedicated to making a positive difference in the world. For information, go to the MSU Council of Graduate Students event website.

I hope our students enjoy a much-needed spring break next week and that they return ready to enjoy a beautiful Michigan spring and prepared to charge into the final weeks of the semester.

Sincerely,
John Engler
President

by **NigelUno** 2018-03-05, 18:40

DWags wrote:I just think the protesters would be more effective if they pointed and laughed.

Water balloons!

by Guest 2018-03-05, 19:13

Rocinante wrote:
LooseGoose wrote:

Exactly. If all of those SJWs had simply stayed home there would have been a fizzle. No clashes. No film at 11. No publicity for the jackass. But they can't resist.

I'm sorry you hate the constitution.

No, I hate promoting assholes by giving them free publicity - not even close to the same thing. The protesters have every right to be there, never did you see me question that so why accuse me of that?

What I questioned was their wisdom. IF you publicize something you get more of it. That's a proven fact.

by Guest 2018-03-05, 19:16

tGreenWay wrote:
NigelUno wrote:Alexandra Ilitch
‏@WLNSAlexandra
39m39 minutes ago
Between media and actual citizens inside the Pavillion listening to Spencer talk... I’d say under 50 people

And that’s not figuring in local, state, and federal undercover LEOs pretending to be regular citizens.

Probably Spencer, 3 numb heads and everyone else showing the world how woke they are by opposing him. Had they ignored him there would be no story at all. Now tell me how this doesn't work, insult me, then ask Greenie, Floyd or Pantry what happened when the networks stopped showing streakers.

by Guest 2018-03-05, 19:36

I was pleased to report to our D.C. audiences that the Relationship Violence and Sexual Misconduct Expert Advisory Workgroup I appointed last week had its first meeting. The workgroup quickly identified and addressed one problem, the need for a new protocol for police notification of the Office of Institutional Equity when investigating a sexual assault complaint. As I explained in my community letter last week, the workgroup will move promptly to recommend solutions when they reach consensus, and we continue to encourage MSU community members to submit suggestions using the online form.

Classic crisis management. Show that your actions have already produced results. And honestly from how some of the investigations were handled this was a problem.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2018-03-05, 20:05

LooseGoose wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote: had a Jack and Stroh's before I got here.

Did you put on your hobnailed boots?

I was wearing steel-toed Doc Martens.

:)

by **tGreenWay** 2018-03-05, 20:11

LooseGoose wrote:
tGreenWay wrote:

And that’s not figuring in local, state, and federal undercover LEOs pretending to be regular citizens.

Probably Spencer, 3 numb heads and everyone else showing the world how woke they are by opposing him. Had they ignored him there would be no story at all. Now tell me how this doesn't work, insult me, then ask Greenie, Floyd or Pantry what happened when the networks stopped showing streakers.

lol what?
All I did was mention that — of the less than 50 people at the Spencer talk — a few were likely undercover LEOs, meaning it was an even smaller citizenry in attendance.
Otherwise, I haven’t engaged in your little war on the 1st Amendment, so you can relax your backhairs.

by **NigelUno** 2018-03-05, 20:16

LooseGoose wrote:
tGreenWay wrote:

And that’s not figuring in local, state, and federal undercover LEOs pretending to be regular citizens.

Probably Spencer, 3 numb heads and everyone else showing the world how woke they are by opposing him. Had they ignored him there would be no story at all. Now tell me how this doesn't work, insult me, then ask Greenie, Floyd or Pantry what happened when the networks stopped showing streakers.

Networks seem to have a policy of not showing people running around on baseball or football fields. Do you want to know how I know this?

BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE STILL DOING IT.

You might need to revise your theory.

by **NigelUno** 2018-03-05, 20:17

gHost Spartan wrote:Gov Engler has the right idea - just tell students to stay away. It's not even worth showing up and giving them the time. Fuck those racist pieces of shit

Even if the racist piece of shit leader said that having people show up stopped some of his racist buddies from coming?

by MSU addict 2018-03-05, 20:40

NigelUno wrote:
gHost Spartan wrote:Gov Engler has the right idea - just tell students to stay away. It's not even worth showing up and giving them the time. Fuck those racist pieces of shit

Even if the racist piece of shit leader said that having people show up stopped some of his racist buddies from coming?

Yes. Because that racist piece of shit needs an excuse as to why no one wants to hear his message of hate.

by **NigelUno** 2018-03-05, 20:41

gHost Spartan wrote:Gov Engler has the right idea - just tell students to stay away. It's not even worth showing up and giving them the time. Fuck those racist pieces of shit

Your boy Harns was there. Doesn't look like a big group.

https://twitter.com/davidharns/status/970789642520940548?s=21

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by **NigelUno** 2018-03-05, 20:43

MSU addict wrote:
NigelUno wrote:

Even if the racist piece of shit leader said that having people show up stopped some of his racist buddies from coming?
Yes. Because that racist piece of shit needs an excuse as to why no one wants to hear his message of hate.

It's easy to be a racist on the internet. It's not so easy when the media and a bunch of people show up who might recognize you.

by Guest 2018-03-05, 21:00

tGreenWay wrote:
LooseGoose wrote:

Probably Spencer, 3 numb heads and everyone else showing the world how woke they are by opposing him. Had they ignored him there would be no story at all. Now tell me how this doesn't work, insult me, then ask Greenie, Floyd or Pantry what happened when the networks stopped showing streakers.

lol what?
All I did was mention that — of the less than 50 people at the Spencer talk — a few were likely undercover LEOs, meaning it was an even smaller citizenry in attendance.
Otherwise, I haven’t engaged in your little war on the 1st Amendment, so you can relax your backhairs.

I think you misinterpreted i was asking you to verify the drop off in streaking when the networks stopped showing it. Of course someone especially stupid might interpret that as the incidence being reduced to zero which isn't the case, just a large reduction.

by Guest 2018-03-05, 21:01

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
LooseGoose wrote:

Did you put on your hobnailed boots?

I was wearing steel-toed Doc Martens.

:)

Wags sends us boot pics.

by **NigelUno** 2018-03-05, 21:05

LooseGoose wrote:
tGreenWay wrote:

lol what?
All I did was mention that — of the less than 50 people at the Spencer talk — a few were likely undercover LEOs, meaning it was an even smaller citizenry in attendance.
Otherwise, I haven’t engaged in your little war on the 1st Amendment, so you can relax your backhairs.

I think you misinterpreted i was asking you to verify the drop off in streaking when the networks stopped showing it. Of course someone especially stupid might interpret that as the incidence being reduced to zero which isn't the case, just a large reduction.

Backtracking convention in Mio tonight.

by **Turtleneck** 2018-03-05, 21:09

NigelUno wrote:
LooseGoose wrote:

I think you misinterpreted i was asking you to verify the drop off in streaking when the networks stopped showing it. Of course someone especially stupid might interpret that as the incidence being reduced to zero which isn't the case, just a large reduction.

Backtracking convention in Mio tonight.

It's two tracking in Mio, Nigel.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2018-03-05, 21:11

LooseGoose wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote: I was wearing steel-toed Doc Martens.

:)

Wags sends us boot pics.

I don't really know how to do that.

by **Turtleneck** 2018-03-05, 21:12

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
LooseGoose wrote:

Wags sends us boot pics.
I don't really know how to do that.

GreenWay is fishing for an invite to your house, Bob.

by **pulling69** 2018-03-05, 21:52

NigelUno wrote:
gHost Spartan wrote:Gov Engler has the right idea - just tell students to stay away. It's not even worth showing up and giving them the time. Fuck those racist pieces of shit

Your boy Harns was there. Doesn't look like a big group.

https://twitter.com/davidharns/status/970789642520940548?s=21

That guy's suit is fucking terrible Shocked

by Guest 2018-03-05, 21:56

pulling69 wrote:
NigelUno wrote:

Your boy Harns was there. Doesn't look like a big group.

https://twitter.com/davidharns/status/970789642520940548?s=21

That guy's suit is fucking terrible

It's probably his get beat up and go to jail suit.

by **Other Teams Pursuing That** 2018-03-05, 22:38

Harns wasn’t there, he said he took screenshots from the guys twitter. From your link..

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