Re: POS Doctor Nassar will rot in jail forever

by NWSpartan Tue 20 Nov 2018 - 17:43

AvgMSUJoe wrote:
LooseGoose wrote:

If I read the article correctly she told them that she didn't know the Dr. referenced in the 2014 report was Nassar? I really don't know how that could be true unless the name was redacted from even the President of the University?

What's baffling is why she would tell such a stupid and easily provable lie.

She really doesn't seem this dumb... And by the time they spoke to her, wasn't this all blown up in the news?

I suppose I'm confused on the timeline and the scope of how this influenced the investigation.

Also, I'm wondering how much politics is influencing this.

Agree with you. These seem like weak charges for the
massive cover-up that is asserted by media.Highly politically motivated IMO. Waiting for more info...

by **Robert J Sakimano** Mon 26 Nov 2018 - 9:19

Matt Mencarini
‏ @MattMencarini

Ex-MSU president Lou Anna Simon is set to be arraigned at 11:30 am in Eaton County on charges she lied to police about Larry Nassar.

Due to publicity of Simon’s case, arraignment was moved to larger courtroom, the one where Nassar’s criminal cases ended in February.

by Guest Mon 26 Nov 2018 - 9:49

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

Matt Mencarini
‏ @MattMencarini

Ex-MSU president Lou Anna Simon is set to be arraigned at 11:30 am in Eaton County on charges she lied to police about Larry Nassar.

Due to publicity of Simon’s case, arraignment was moved to larger courtroom, the one where Nassar’s criminal cases ended in February.

I predict she pleads not guilty.

by **DWags** Mon 26 Nov 2018 - 9:53

LooseGoose wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:

I predict she pleads not guilty.

I wish this would end in our lifetime.

by **Robert J Sakimano** Mon 26 Nov 2018 - 10:24

LooseGoose wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:

I predict she pleads not guilty.

you're probably right.

by **Robert J Sakimano** Mon 26 Nov 2018 - 11:47

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Lisa Roose-Church
‏Verified account @LisaRooseChurch
5m5 minutes ago

. @michiganstateu prez Lou Anna Simon arraignment: AG and defense asked for personal bond ... AG also asked that she surrender passport, go through booking process ... judge set $5,000 PR bond

by **DWags** Mon 26 Nov 2018 - 12:16

I'm not understanding the reason she was asked to surrender her passport. I'm more suspicious that perhaps it's a bit personal and political between him/her. Dont' get me wrong, if she did what she's alleged to do, the hell with her, she can rot in prison. But maybe it's a bit grandstanding to ask for a passport surrender. I don't know, maybe she's a flight risk.

by **Robert J Sakimano** Mon 26 Nov 2018 - 12:20

DWags wrote:I'm not understanding the reason she was asked to surrender her passport. I'm more suspicious that perhaps it's a bit personal and political between him/her. Dont' get me wrong, if she did what she's alleged to do, the hell with her, she can rot in prison. But maybe it's a bit grandstanding to ask for a passport surrender. I don't know, maybe she's a flight risk.

I'm kind of cynical about the entire thing these days.. pretty much everyone, with the exception of the survivors, I view through a lens of skepticism... the prosecutors, the Board, Engler, the media, ESPN, etc - everyone sort of seems to have an angle that fits their predetermined agenda.

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by Guest Mon 10 Dec 2018 - 17:36

New report details how USOC, USAG failed to protect athletes in Larry Nassar sex abuse case

by **Robert J Sakimano** Tue 11 Dec 2018 - 8:56

LooseGoose wrote:New report details how USOC, USAG failed to protect athletes in Larry Nassar sex abuse case

as much as I hate to say it, I'm kinda thankful to see the spotlight finally shining on USOC and USAG - MSU was (justifiably) the target for so long but other entities were quite negligent to varying degrees.

Looking forward to that Geddert scum being escorted out in handcuffs next.

by **MiamiSpartan** Tue 11 Dec 2018 - 11:28

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
LooseGoose wrote:New report details how USOC, USAG failed to protect athletes in Larry Nassar sex abuse case
as much as I hate to say it, I'm kinda thankful to see the spotlight finally shining on USOC and USAG - MSU was (justifiably) the target for so long but other entities were quite negligent to varying degrees.

Looking forward to that Geddert scum being escorted out in handcuffs next.

I agree, but I don't hate to say it. MSU got the attention because of the criminal case taking place in Michigan, as well as the relatively early, and huge lawsuit settlement. While MSU was accepting responsibility the USGA and USOC were still trying to cover their asses and deny shit. And they were probably even more culpable, especially the USGA.

by **Robert J Sakimano** Tue 11 Dec 2018 - 11:36

MiamiSpartan wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote: as much as I hate to say it, I'm kinda thankful to see the spotlight finally shining on USOC and USAG - MSU was (justifiably) the target for so long but other entities were quite negligent to varying degrees.

Looking forward to that Geddert scum being escorted out in handcuffs next.

I agree, but I don't hate to say it. MSU got the attention because of the criminal case taking place in Michigan, as well as the relatively early, and huge lawsuit settlement. While MSU was accepting responsibility the USGA and USOC were still trying to cover their asses and deny shit. And they were probably even more culpable, especially the USGA.

Yep. I agree.

by **Nordic** Tue 11 Dec 2018 - 12:12

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
LooseGoose wrote:New report details how USOC, USAG failed to protect athletes in Larry Nassar sex abuse case
as much as I hate to say it, I'm kinda thankful to see the spotlight finally shining on USOC and USAG - MSU was (justifiably) the target for so long but other entities were quite negligent to varying degrees.

Looking forward to that Geddert scum being escorted out in handcuffs next.

How Geddert and Twistars have escaped charges so far is mind boggling. They are (probably) more culpable in enabling Nassar than anyone.

by Banks2Mason Tue 11 Dec 2018 - 12:14

DWags wrote:I'm not understanding the reason she was asked to surrender her passport. I'm more suspicious that perhaps it's a bit personal and political between him/her. Dont' get me wrong, if she did what she's alleged to do, the hell with her, she can rot in prison. But maybe it's a bit grandstanding to ask for a passport surrender. I don't know, maybe she's a flight risk.

it's pretty common for judges to have people of significant means surrender their passports.

by **Robert J Sakimano** Tue 11 Dec 2018 - 12:59

Nordic wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote: as much as I hate to say it, I'm kinda thankful to see the spotlight finally shining on USOC and USAG - MSU was (justifiably) the target for so long but other entities were quite negligent to varying degrees.

Looking forward to that Geddert scum being escorted out in handcuffs next.

How Geddert and Twistars have escaped charges so far is mind boggling. They are (probably) more capable in enabling Nassar than anyone.

I agree completely. I figure they have to get charged eventually, right?

by Guest Thu 13 Dec 2018 - 14:18

16 disturbing new details in Nassar scandal investigation report

Secrecy 'had consequences'
The USAG's secrecy about the allegations against Nassar had enormous consequences, the report said.

It notes that USAG did not contact Michigan State, Nassar's employer, nor did it contact Twistars gymnastics center near Lansing or Holt High School, where Nassar regularly treated young athletes. That meant Nassar had another 14 months of access to young
victims before he was fired by MSU in September 2016.

by **Floyd Robertson** Fri 21 Dec 2018 - 11:55

Special prosecutor: MSU actions 'made it virtually impossible to know' truth about Nassar

So this isn't a good look (neither is the rest of the story):

n December 2017, a month after Nassar had pleaded guilty to sexual assault charges and a month before his state sentencing hearings began, Bill Beekman sent “a lengthy” email to then university President Lou Anna Simon summarizing meetings and conversations from the day before.

Beekman, who at the time was the secretary of the Board of Trustees and is now the athletic director, ended the email by saying, “I will delete this email after sending it.”

by **DWags** Fri 21 Dec 2018 - 12:38

Floyd Robertson wrote:Special prosecutor: MSU actions 'made it virtually impossible to know' truth about Nassar

So this isn't a good look (neither is the rest of the story):

n December 2017, a month after Nassar had pleaded guilty to sexual assault charges and a month before his state sentencing hearings began, Bill Beekman sent “a lengthy” email to then university President Lou Anna Simon summarizing meetings and conversations from the day before.

Beekman, who at the time was the secretary of the Board of Trustees and is now the athletic director, ended the email by saying, “I will delete this email after sending it.”

When and the good fuck is this gonna end? It's death by 1000 cuts. Seems like every month, there is a new email let out that further sullies MSU. If Beekman sent that email, if he said he was deleting it, he needs to go.

by Guest Fri 21 Dec 2018 - 13:37

DWags wrote:
Floyd Robertson wrote:Special prosecutor: MSU actions 'made it virtually impossible to know' truth about Nassar

So this isn't a good look (neither is the rest of the story):

When and the good fuck is this gonna end? It's death by 1000 cuts. Seems like every month, there is a new email let out that further sullies MSU. If Beekman sent that email, if he said he was deleting it, he needs to go.

He needs to go? Why?

In December 2017, a month after Nassar had pleaded guilty to sexual assault charges and a month before his state sentencing hearings began, Bill Beekman sent “a lengthy” email to then university President Lou Anna Simon summarizing meetings and conversations from the day before.

Beekman, who at the time was the secretary of the Board of Trustees and is now the athletic director, ended the email by saying, “I will delete this email after sending it.”

Forsyth’s report does not detail the substance of the meetings and conversations that Beekman referenced in the email. During the news conference on Friday morning, Forsyth said Nassar was not discussed in the email.

If Nassar wasn't discussed what's so significant about it? Could Beekman deleting it be something innocent? Perhaps it was a rough summary and preliminary to a more comprehensive one?

by **Floyd Robertson** Fri 21 Dec 2018 - 13:53

LooseGoose wrote:
DWags wrote:

When and the good fuck is this gonna end? It's death by 1000 cuts. Seems like every month, there is a new email let out that further sullies MSU. If Beekman sent that email, if he said he was deleting it, he needs to go.

He needs to go? Why?

In December 2017, a month after Nassar had pleaded guilty to sexual assault charges and a month before his state sentencing hearings began, Bill Beekman sent “a lengthy” email to then university President Lou Anna Simon summarizing meetings and conversations from the day before.

Beekman, who at the time was the secretary of the Board of Trustees and is now the athletic director, ended the email by saying, “I will delete this email after sending it.”

Forsyth’s report does not detail the substance of the meetings and conversations that Beekman referenced in the email. During the news conference on Friday morning, Forsyth said Nassar was not discussed in the email.

If Nassar wasn't discussed what's so significant about it? Could Beekman deleting it be something innocent? Perhaps it was a rough summary and preliminary to a more comprehensive one?

Aside from what might have been the content of the message, doesn't deleting the message sent violate email retention compliance?

by **Nordic** Fri 21 Dec 2018 - 14:05

I skimmed through that article. Was there any actual evidence of the repeatedly alluded to stonewalling? If so I must of missed it.

Either the part about the Beekman email is poorly written, or it is conveniently written. The email could of been about a company picnic for all we know. And you're not allowed to delete an email? I delete emails everyday. And deleting it doesn't mean it is gone. Especially for a public institution, everything is archived. If he was trying to hide something damming about the the Nassar case, then that's different.

If there was evidence of "stonewalling" in the email or elsewhere, let's hear it and ship them out the door. Let's see the report, not a really long winded article that looked like a bunch or rhetoric with no new damming revaluations near as I can tell. But people gobble that shit up. Maybe it is in there, but they lost me in the bullshit.

by **Nordic** Fri 21 Dec 2018 - 14:11

Floyd Robertson wrote:
LooseGoose wrote:

He needs to go? Why?

If Nassar wasn't discussed what's so significant about it? Could Beekman deleting it be something innocent? Perhaps it was a rough summary and preliminary to a more comprehensive one?

Aside from what might have been the content of the message, doesn't deleting the message sent violate email retention compliance?

Him deleting it? Probably not, I assume he and every other MSU employee deletes a shit ton of emails. The University not saving deleted messages? Yes.

by Guest Fri 21 Dec 2018 - 14:24

Nordic wrote:
Floyd Robertson wrote:

Aside from what might have been the content of the message, doesn't deleting the message sent violate email retention compliance?

Him deleting it? Probably not, I assume he and every other MSU employee deletes a shit ton of emails. The University not saving deleted messages? Yes.

The U did save it. Forsyth says there was nothing about Nassar in it. Seems to me that means they read it.

This strikes me as LaVigne level bullshit. He deleted an email that had nothing to do with Nassar therefore he was hiding something about Nassar????

by **steveschneider** Fri 21 Dec 2018 - 14:29

Saw Dan Murphy take a shot at MSU on twitter. He's a piece of shit.

by **WhiteBoyHatcher** Fri 21 Dec 2018 - 15:26

We got a new trustee. Seems kinda bi partisan. At least the article I just read didn't even mention political affiliation. I like it.

by **WhiteBoyHatcher** Fri 21 Dec 2018 - 15:28

https://www.freep.com/story/news/education/2018/12/21/nancy-schlichting-michigan-state-board/2349704002/

by **DWags** Fri 21 Dec 2018 - 18:17

LooseGoose wrote:
DWags wrote:

When and the good fuck is this gonna end? It's death by 1000 cuts. Seems like every month, there is a new email let out that further sullies MSU. If Beekman sent that email, if he said he was deleting it, he needs to go.

He needs to go? Why?

In December 2017, a month after Nassar had pleaded guilty to sexual assault charges and a month before his state sentencing hearings began, Bill Beekman sent “a lengthy” email to then university President Lou Anna Simon summarizing meetings and conversations from the day before.

Beekman, who at the time was the secretary of the Board of Trustees and is now the athletic director, ended the email by saying, “I will delete this email after sending it.”

Forsyth’s report does not detail the substance of the meetings and conversations that Beekman referenced in the email. During the news conference on Friday morning, Forsyth said Nassar was not discussed in the email.

If Nassar wasn't discussed what's so significant about it? Could Beekman deleting it be something innocent? Perhaps it was a rough summary and preliminary to a more comprehensive one?

Good point. I was thinking he was doing it for nefarious reasons. Hope you’re right.

by Guest Fri 21 Dec 2018 - 18:28

DWags wrote:
LooseGoose wrote:

He needs to go? Why?

If Nassar wasn't discussed what's so significant about it? Could Beekman deleting it be something innocent? Perhaps it was a rough summary and preliminary to a more comprehensive one?

Good point. I was thinking he was doing it for nefarious reasons. Hope you’re right.

Honestly Wags it makes no sense. Why would Forsyth make such a big deal about it if it had nothing to do with Nassar? I suspect there's some sort of misquote there.....

by **Wally Fairway** Fri 21 Dec 2018 - 19:16

steveschneider wrote:Saw Dan Murphy take a shot at MSU on twitter. He's a piece of shit.

I'm pretty sure he is, but do you think he is a bigger piece of shit than the BOT?
I won't ask to compare him directly with Turd Ferguson, but just generally the Board.

I used to think the BOT was completely tone-deaf, but I've come to realize they have their heads up their ass.

by Guest Fri 21 Dec 2018 - 19:25

Wally Fairway wrote:
steveschneider wrote:Saw Dan Murphy take a shot at MSU on twitter. He's a piece of shit.
I'm pretty sure he is, but do you think he is a bigger piece of shit than the BOT?
I won't ask to compare him directly with Turd Ferguson, but just generally the Board.

I used to think the BOT was completely tone-deaf, but I've come to realize they have their heads up their ass.

It's easy to take potshots at the BoT and I won't argue that they've been tone deaf at times.

I would argue that they've been stuck in a pretty terrible position mostly based on the poor decisions of others.

To call them pieces of shit based on hindsight is pretty rough and frankly easy to do when you're not the one that's been sitting in the chair making the vote.

They've not been able to please the victims, I'm not sure they can/could. Is it your position that they should have completely prostrated the University to them? Should they allow the victims to dissolve the University if that were their wish?

They have a duty to look out for the best interest of the MSU community as a whole while trying to weigh that against being fair to the victims. People act as though that's an easy task and it's not. It would only be easy in the court of public opinion if they catered to every wish of the victims no matter how devastating to the University. At that point the blowback would be coming the other way.

I can disagree with some of their choices without calling them pieces of shit.

by **DWags** Fri 21 Dec 2018 - 19:37

LooseGoose wrote:
Wally Fairway wrote:
I'm pretty sure he is, but do you think he is a bigger piece of shit than the BOT?
I won't ask to compare him directly with Turd Ferguson, but just generally the Board.

I used to think the BOT was completely tone-deaf, but I've come to realize they have their heads up their ass.

It's easy to take potshots at the BoT and I won't argue that they've been tone deaf at times.

I would argue that they've been stuck in a pretty terrible position mostly based on the poor decisions of others.

To call them pieces of shit based on hindsight is pretty rough and frankly easy to do when you're not the one that's been sitting in the chair making the vote.

They've not been able to please the victims, I'm not sure they can/could. Is it your position that they should have completely prostrated the University to them? Should they allow the victims to dissolve the University if that were their wish?

They have a duty to look out for the best interest of the MSU community as a whole while trying to weigh that against being fair to the victims. People act as though that's an easy task and it's not. It would only be easy in the court of public opinion if they catered to every wish of the victims no matter how devastating to the University. At that point the blowback would be coming the other way.

I can disagree with some of their choices without calling them pieces of shit.

They were in a no win situation. How do you protect the university and not look bad? What would the press and the victims say if they had all just said, “no comment”. They’re low hanging fruit for many people.

by **Wally Fairway** Fri 21 Dec 2018 - 20:17

LooseGoose wrote:
Wally Fairway wrote:
I'm pretty sure he is, but do you think he is a bigger piece of shit than the BOT?
I won't ask to compare him directly with Turd Ferguson, but just generally the Board.

I used to think the BOT was completely tone-deaf, but I've come to realize they have their heads up their ass.

It's easy to take potshots at the BoT and I won't argue that they've been tone deaf at times.

I would argue that they've been stuck in a pretty terrible position mostly based on the poor decisions of others.

To call them pieces of shit based on hindsight is pretty rough and frankly easy to do when you're not the one that's been sitting in the chair making the vote.

They've not been able to please the victims, I'm not sure they can/could. Is it your position that they should have completely prostrated the University to them? Should they allow the victims to dissolve the University if that were their wish?

They have a duty to look out for the best interest of the MSU community as a whole while trying to weigh that against being fair to the victims. People act as though that's an easy task and it's not. It would only be easy in the court of public opinion if they catered to every wish of the victims no matter how devastating to the University. At that point the blowback would be coming the other way.

I can disagree with some of their choices without calling them pieces of shit.

I lost any and all respect for LKS and the BOT when they announced they had hired an outside law firm to investigate how the University had handled the reports related to Nassar.
Then when FOIA requests and the Attorney General requested the results of the investigation they lied saying their was no report, then hid behind attorney client privilege.

You can continue to believe that they are unfortunately in a no-win situation, I think it is a situation that is of their own making. Somewhat indirectly, somewhat directly - I believe that Simon knew about Nassar to some degree and hoped it would go away (all the way back to when she was Provost) and about Dean Strampel, but he was a great fundraiser so again that was more important.

They have mostly ignored the victims, until they couldn't any longer; tried to keep them from speaking at public BOT meetings, brushed aside the significance of this until the trial started.
I will admit that I don't know what they think of individually, but other than Mossallam who made some public statements. But I've seen nothing that they've done to reach out to victims, or the community; and they seem content that the $500 million is what this is all about.

Until I see something otherwise, I believe they are 100% reactionary and I've not seen much (or any) leadership.
But then maybe it is just me

I was, and am still, pissed that Izzo & Dantonio had their names dragged into the mess; I can't say the same about the group elected to direct the University nor the senior members of the Administration at the time.

by Guest Sat 22 Dec 2018 - 7:43

State investigators discredit claim of ‘92 Nassar rape and Perles cover-up

by **Floyd Robertson** Fri 28 Dec 2018 - 13:33

Documents: More knew of Nassar's new guidelines after 2014 investigation

by **WhiteBoyHatcher** Fri 28 Dec 2018 - 13:57

Ya know, I'm pretty damn disgusted with MSU's leadership. Having a hard time reconciling it. Is it possible to still love the University and your memories there while being totally disgusted with its leadership and attitude and general dumb fuckery? Or do I have to be head in the sand guy looking to make excuses for them at every turn?

by Guest Fri 28 Dec 2018 - 14:02

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:Ya know, I'm pretty damn disgusted with MSU's leadership. Having a hard time reconciling it. Is it possible to still love the University and your memories there while being totally disgusted with its leadership and attitude and general dumb fuckery? Or do I have to be head in the sand guy looking to make excuses for them at every turn?

Or you can be totally disgusted with the people that did the stupid shit. 20-30 people it seems out of 1000s of employees.

Nassar
Stempel
Klages
LAKS
- I'm not going back to find all the other names but it's hard to blame all the other people that work at MSU for the failures of a few.

by **WhiteBoyHatcher** Fri 28 Dec 2018 - 14:07

-The Majority of the BoT who bowed to LAKS and did nothing
-The Majority of the BoT who still buries their head in the sand
-Engler who has negotiated the settlement and taken a job nobody wanted but continues to put the U in a bad light

So yeah.....leadership. People at the top.

by **DWags** Fri 28 Dec 2018 - 14:14

LooseGoose wrote:
WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:Ya know, I'm pretty damn disgusted with MSU's leadership. Having a hard time reconciling it. Is it possible to still love the University and your memories there while being totally disgusted with its leadership and attitude and general dumb fuckery? Or do I have to be head in the sand guy looking to make excuses for them at every turn?

Or you can be totally disgusted with the people that did the stupid shit. 20-30 people it seems out of 1000s of employees.

Nassar
Stempel
Klages
LAKS
- I'm not going back to find all the other names but it's hard to blame all the other people that work at MSU for the failures of a few.

I’d say about 20-30 people cost us a half billion dollars and our good name. WBH I think most are, or will be gone or in prison. So what’s left is our memories and a pretty damn good institution with great professors students and staff that do great things. Being pissed at those pieces of shit while still living MSU is not sticking your head in the sand. It’s being reasonable imo. But everyone has to do what makes them sleep. I can compartmentalize both.

by SawGreen Fri 28 Dec 2018 - 14:17

Question for those that may know... Is the university in the clear now financially after the settlement?

by **WhiteBoyHatcher** Fri 28 Dec 2018 - 14:25

DWags wrote:
LooseGoose wrote:

Or you can be totally disgusted with the people that did the stupid shit. 20-30 people it seems out of 1000s of employees.

Nassar
Stempel
Klages
LAKS
- I'm not going back to find all the other names but it's hard to blame all the other people that work at MSU for the failures of a few.

I’d say about 20-30 people cost us a half billion dollars and our good name. WBH I think most are, or will be gone or in prison. So what’s left is our memories and a pretty damn good institution with great professors students and staff that do great things. Being pissed at those pieces of shit while still living MSU is not sticking your head in the sand. It’s being reasonable imo. But everyone has to do what makes them sleep. I can compartmentalize both.

Yeah I don't know. Sometimes seems hard to compartmentalize. I agree with you for the most part but sometimes when I read stuff....I just feel ashamed. Not personally. But for the U. Like come on....you're still fucking up and trying to cover your shit? You already inked the settlement. Let's go. Let's be open, honest and transparent and do better moving forward. Instead there's like this weird grey area where we're like ok, we fucked up and we've signed the paperwork that we've fucked up and are willing to pay a crazy sum of money to make up for it, and the ink is dry on that.....BUT....fuck you.

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