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Robert J Sakimano wrote:I could be wrong, but I just don't see this working out well for UM.

Unless they somehow pull in some late 2019 recruits or grad transfers, they're going to struggle next year. After that, it doesn't take much to succeed if you can recruit.

steveschneider wrote:About my final thoughts on this pretty happy they hired Howard. I hate the Fab 5 all of them and excited to see The league kick Howards ass. Payback for all of their horse shit from the early 90s

Definitely adds some spice to the rivalry. There will be no blowing Howard.

Look, guys like K and Calipari are constantly loaded. They have the best players and they have some pretty great assistants. Yes, they win championships and yes they're always a top ten type team. But they don't dominate college basketball and teams beat them. I don't know what kind of X's and O's coach he will be, but I'm betting he's no better and most likely not going to be as good as K and Calipari. I think he will get some kids inthe next couple of years becasue of star power, but I don't think he's any kind of big ten threat.

Wally Fairway wrote:It's a great hire for UofM, Juwan has been successful, and he is a Michigan Man.
Personally, I think they should have reached out to Rudy T - but I was a Rockets fan in the 1990's so that taint my judgement

So let me pose a few questions
- who wins a B1G title first - Jimmy or Juwan?
- who wins a natty first - Jimmy or Juwan?
- who leaves first - Jimmy or Juwan?

Spoiler:

Agree on the spoilers.

Harbs had two loaded teams the last two seasons and couldn't get it done. I'm lol'ing at their (typical) preseason rankings. The past two years it was justified (and they still couldn't meet expectations). Now their D, especially their DL has been gutted. IMO DL is the most important position group in college football. You are not winning any championships without an elite level DL.

The hoops team has also been gutted and teams have caught on to X's shitty offensive game. Nigel is right, you can build quick in hoops. But you still aren't winning anything meaningful without a veteran squad, and this recruiting class looks like it will be decimated, which puts them 3 years out. Then the question becomes came he last that long/will recruits come if they are a middling B10 team the next two seasons.

DWags wrote:Look, guys like K and Calipari are constantly loaded. They have the best players and they have some pretty great assistants. Yes, they win championships and yes they're always a top ten type team. But they don't dominate college basketball and teams beat them. I don't know what kind of X's and O's coach he will be, but I'm betting he's no better and most likely not going to be as good as K and Calipari. I think he will get some kids inthe next couple of years becasue of star power, but I don't think he's any kind of big ten threat.

I don't think he'll get those kids unless he cheats. Going to require some kind of sleazy Nike rep, booster, agent or some other scum bag with deep pockets to get these kids over to him.

NigelUno wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:I could be wrong, but I just don't see this working out well for UM.

Unless they somehow pull in some late 2019 recruits or grad transfers, they're going to struggle next year. After that, it doesn't take much to succeed if you can recruit.

Nigel, you are our recruiting expert. Can Howard pull in 5 star croots with his NBA cred or is it going to require money?

steveschneider wrote:

DWags wrote:Look, guys like K and Calipari are constantly loaded. They have the best players and they have some pretty great assistants. Yes, they win championships and yes they're always a top ten type team. But they don't dominate college basketball and teams beat them. I don't know what kind of X's and O's coach he will be, but I'm betting he's no better and most likely not going to be as good as K and Calipari. I think he will get some kids inthe next couple of years becasue of star power, but I don't think he's any kind of big ten threat.

I don't think he'll get those kids unless he cheats. Going to require some kind of sleazy Nike rep, booster, agent or some other scum bag with deep pockets to get these kids over to him.

The thing is, what I was trying to get at in my last post, this guy has never done a lick of recruiting. He may not even have a clue when he's crossed the line.

DWags wrote:Look, guys like K and Calipari are constantly loaded.  They have the best players and they have some pretty great assistants.  Yes, they win championships and yes they're always a top ten type team.  But they don't dominate college basketball and teams beat them.   I don't know what kind of X's and O's coach he will be, but I'm betting he's no better and most likely not going to be as good as K and Calipari.   I think he will get some kids inthe next couple of years becasue of star power, but I don't think he's any kind of big ten threat.  

I often wonder - and I'll admit I'm totally out of touch with things - how much kids that are 16-17 years old even know about the Fab Five or Juwan Howard.. I mean, it would be like me be transfixed by the magical myth of Bob Cousy or George Mikan back in 1985.

I'm just wondering if this "star power" mystique is being overplayed.  

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

DWags wrote:Look, guys like K and Calipari are constantly loaded.  They have the best players and they have some pretty great assistants.  Yes, they win championships and yes they're always a top ten type team.  But they don't dominate college basketball and teams beat them.   I don't know what kind of X's and O's coach he will be, but I'm betting he's no better and most likely not going to be as good as K and Calipari.   I think he will get some kids inthe next couple of years becasue of star power, but I don't think he's any kind of big ten threat.  

I often wonder - and I'll admit I'm totally out of touch with things - how much kids that are 16-17 years old even know about the Fab Five or Juwan Howard.. I mean, it would be like me be transfixed by the magical myth of Bob Cousy or George Mikan back in 1985.

I'm just wondering if this "star power" mystique is being overplayed.  

Webber and Rose have big platforms. Having Wade and Lebron vouch for him is a pretty big deal too. I guess Howard has two kids that play in AAU basketball. That and people are expecting the Michigan brand to sell itself. Being honest here he probably has a shot at getting in front of these kids, getting them there for visits etc.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

DWags wrote:Look, guys like K and Calipari are constantly loaded.  They have the best players and they have some pretty great assistants.  Yes, they win championships and yes they're always a top ten type team.  But they don't dominate college basketball and teams beat them.   I don't know what kind of X's and O's coach he will be, but I'm betting he's no better and most likely not going to be as good as K and Calipari.   I think he will get some kids inthe next couple of years becasue of star power, but I don't think he's any kind of big ten threat.  

I often wonder - and I'll admit I'm totally out of touch with things - how much kids that are 16-17 years old even know about the Fab Five or Juwan Howard.. I mean, it would be like me be transfixed by the magical myth of Bob Cousy or George Mikan back in 1985.

I'm just wondering if this "star power" mystique is being overplayed.  

25+ years ago. They may have heard about the Fab 5, but it's not going to influence a kid to go to UM. And Howard is the 3rd most famous one. Kids have more recognition of Jalen and Webber.

Howard is no Penny Hardaway (who had his own Nike AAU team). He might pull in the #1 class.

steveschneider wrote:

NigelUno wrote:

Unless they somehow pull in some late 2019 recruits or grad transfers, they're going to struggle next year. After that, it doesn't take much to succeed if you can recruit.

Nigel, you are our recruiting expert. Can Howard pull in 5 star croots with his NBA cred or is it going to require money?

He seems to be popular in Chicago (which is notoriously dirty).

5-10 years ago it would have been easy to "pay" players. Now, it's getting more difficult. Some schools find creative ways to do it. If you start seeing whole families move into nice neighborhoods in AA (like seems to happen in Durham), then you'll know.

Mitch has an article on freep dot com with a headline of "U-M's hiring of Howard not about former glory"

Hmmm. Anyone else see anything wrong with that statement?

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:Mitch has an article on freep dot com with a headline of "U-M's hiring of Howard not about former glory"

Hmmm. Anyone else see anything wrong with that statement?

"The Food and Flavors of Milwaukee" ..a memoir by Jeffery Dahmer.

NigelUno wrote:

steveschneider wrote:

Nigel, you are our recruiting expert. Can Howard pull in 5 star croots with his NBA cred or is it going to require money?

He seems to be popular in Chicago (which is notoriously dirty).

5-10 years ago it would have been easy to "pay" players. Now, it's getting more difficult. Some schools find creative ways to do it. If you start seeing whole families move into nice neighborhoods in AA (like seems to happen in Durham), then you'll know.

So if Chicago has cleans up that bodes well for UofM.

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:Mitch has an article on freep dot com with a headline of "U-M's hiring of Howard not about former glory"

Hmmm. Anyone else see anything wrong with that statement?

I looked in the NCAA basketball history books and didn't find any u of m basketball glory mentioned in the 80s or 90s.

Hahaha Jalen wearing blue and gold on First Take.



That guy is so stuck in the past.

Just listened to half of it. In which the guy takes zero responsibility for the reasons why the banners aren't hung up or his number isn't retired. Soft ball interview, how come no one ever presses him on this?

If Howard went anywhere other than Michigan he wouldn't have even got a sniff with that resume. Fab Five or not.

Floyd Robertson wrote:

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:Mitch has an article on freep dot com with a headline of "U-M's hiring of Howard not about former glory"

Hmmm. Anyone else see anything wrong with that statement?

I looked in the NCAA basketball history books and didn't find any u of m basketball glory mentioned in the 90s.

Fixed.

Honestly, if SCum is embracing the current climate of sleaze that is college hoops, I applaud it.

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:Mitch has an article on freep dot com with a headline of "U-M's hiring of Howard not about former glory"

Hmmm. Anyone else see anything wrong with that statement?

Wut

steveschneider wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
I often wonder - and I'll admit I'm totally out of touch with things - how much kids that are 16-17 years old even know about the Fab Five or Juwan Howard.. I mean, it would be like me be transfixed by the magical myth of Bob Cousy or George Mikan back in 1985.

I'm just wondering if this "star power" mystique is being overplayed.  

Webber and Rose have big platforms. Having Wade and Lebron vouch for him is a pretty big deal too. I guess Howard has two kids that play in AAU basketball. That and people are expecting the Michigan brand to sell itself. Being honest here he probably has a shot at getting in front of these kids, getting them there for visits etc.

This. No kid knows who Juwan Howard is. But they probably know the Fab 5, and if they don't it is going to be beaten into their head by the media over the next year. He also has the backing of Wade, Lebron, etc. and the mouthpieces in Weber & Rose. Michigan is going to get plenty of attention. Whether it matters or not is a different story.

Jamie Samuelson nailed it this morning. If Juwan Howard played basketball at any other school would he be Michigan's coach right now?

kingstonlake wrote:Jamie Samuelson nailed it this morning. If Juwan Howard played basketball at any other school would he be Michigan's coach right now?

Here's another question, did he interview for any other major program HC vacancies this spring?

Floyd Robertson wrote:

kingstonlake wrote:Jamie Samuelson nailed it this morning. If Juwan Howard played basketball at any other school would he be Michigan's coach right now?

Here's another question, did he interview for any other major program HC vacancies this spring?

None that I know of. Maybe for the Timberwolves job?

kingstonlake wrote:

Floyd Robertson wrote:
Here's another question, did he interview for any other major program HC vacancies this spring?

None that I know of. Maybe for the Timberwolves job?

He interviewed for the Lakers.

steveschneider wrote:

kingstonlake wrote:

None that I know of. Maybe for the Timberwolves job?

He interviewed for the Lakers.

Why didn't Lebron hire him?

kingstonlake wrote:

steveschneider wrote:

He interviewed for the Lakers.

Why didn't Lebron hire him?

Nordic wrote:

kingstonlake wrote:

Why didn't Lebron hire him?

Good enough for Bron Bron to "vouch" for him for the SCum job....... Bout that Lakers job Bron, you put a good word in for me? Uhhh.... nah Bruh.

kingstonlake wrote:

Nordic wrote:

Good enough for Bron Bron to "vouch" for him for the SCum job....... Bout that Lakers job Bron, you put a good word in for me? Uhhh.... nah Bruh.

Lebron is a big fan of Ohio State. Talking up JH for the scum job is a calculated, evil genius move.

kingstonlake wrote:Honestly, if SCum is embracing the current climate of sleaze that is college hoops, I applaud it.

They've been embracing the sleaze that is Harbaugh ever since he was hired, there's not going to be a big jump by the walverines to embrace Howard.

Nordic wrote:

kingstonlake wrote:

Why didn't Lebron hire him?

Lakers are a mess. Also I don’t think Bron has much control or say on what is going on. If Lebron had His way they would have give Lue 5 years.

steveschneider wrote:

Nordic wrote:

Lakers are a mess. Also I don’t think Bron has much control or say on what is going on. If Lebron had His way they would have give Lue 5 years.

Don't worry he plans on staying in the background this summer for free agency

steveschneider wrote:

kingstonlake wrote:

None that I know of. Maybe for the Timberwolves job?

He interviewed for the Lakers.

Well...he talked with his former teammate Pelinka. Does that count as an interview?

aualum06 wrote:

steveschneider wrote:

Lakers are a mess. Also I don’t think Bron has much control or say on what is going on. If Lebron had His way they would have give Lue 5 years.

Don't worry he plans on staying in the background this summer for free agency

There will probably be a point where he asserts himself and tries to get more help. If the dysfunction continues in the front office it will happen.

NigelUno wrote:

steveschneider wrote:

He interviewed for the Lakers.

Well...he talked with his former teammate Pelinka. Does that count as an interview?

No doubt in my mind that Pelinka got him in there for the interview.

steveschneider wrote:

aualum06 wrote:

Don't worry he plans on staying in the background this summer for free agency

There will probably be a point where he asserts himself and tries to get more help. If the dysfunction continues in the front office it will happen.

Almost bet he wishes he would have went to the other la team

Seriously lsj?

https://www.lansingstatejournal.com/story/sports/college/msu/mens-basketball/2019/05/23/msu-basketball-respert-other-former-spartans-weigh-howard-hire/1212278001/

So basically their coaching search boiled down to "Who will take this job for $2 million while the guy down the hall is making $9 million and hasn't won a damn thing."

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