Re: The 2020 Presidential campaign.

by **Robert J Sakimano** Wed Apr 29, 2020 8:56 am

NigelUno wrote:Who's Biden gonna pick for VP? I don't think it will be Gretchen.

Kamala or Abrams.

by **Cameron** Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:23 am

Politico: Justin Amash announces exploratory committee for president

Would this hurt Trump more or Biden more?

by AvgMSUJoe Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:43 am

I'm assuming it would hurt trump more based on ideology. But since trumpism isn't a practice of conservatism and just a cult of stupidity... I suppose I have no idea.

Any "anyone but trump conservative" should vote for him.?.? Not many republicans with morals though...

I doubt he has much national buzz... probably get the same libertarian votes in most states. Possibly more in Michigan/midwest.

by **Robert J Sakimano** Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:52 am

Cameron wrote:Politico: Justin Amash announces exploratory committee for president

Would this hurt Trump more or Biden more?

30% of knuckle-draggin' christians are gonna vote for the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator no matter what.

I'd say Amash could pick off a few 'common sense' republicans (if there are any) that might otherwise stay home. He might be able to take a few from Biden, as well - people who might tend to lean right but are in no way going to support someone who brags about raping women and mocks disabled people.

This isn't a Perot, a Nader or even a Jill Stein type third party with a strong ideological leaning one way or the other. Amash has been very outspoken against the racist, bigoted christian sexual predtor while still trying to maintain his republican/libertarian status. Perot was a republican, Stein/Nader strong Democrats. I think, if anything, Amash could sort of draw a minimal amount of interest from people on both sides who aren't happy with the major candidates.

in the end, I suspect his presence will matter very little, if at all. That is even if he stays in it until November.

by **Tim Wakefield** Wed Apr 29, 2020 10:32 am

AvgMSUJoe wrote:I'm assuming it would hurt trump more based on ideology. But since trumpism isn't a practice of conservatism and just a cult of stupidity... I suppose I have no idea.

Any "anyone but trump conservative" should vote for him.?.? Not many republicans with morals though...

I doubt he has much national buzz... probably get the same libertarian votes in most states. Possibly more in Michigan/midwest.

In a normal situation, this would be me. I'm 100% voting for Sleepy Joe, though.

by **Travis of the Cosmos** Wed Apr 29, 2020 10:59 am

Cameron wrote:Politico: Justin Amash announces exploratory committee for president

Would this hurt Trump more or Biden more?

I tend to think Biden because like others said, if they were going to vote for trump they aren’t going to peel off and vote for Amash instead. Seems more likely that it would be republicans voting for Biden that are attracted to a third option.

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by **steveschneider** Wed Apr 29, 2020 11:11 am

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
Cameron wrote:Politico: Justin Amash announces exploratory committee for president

Would this hurt Trump more or Biden more?

I tend to think Biden because like others said, if they were going to vote for trump they aren’t going to peel off and vote for Amash instead. Seems more likely that it would be republicans voting for Biden that are attracted to a third option.

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by **Travis of the Cosmos** Wed Apr 29, 2020 11:22 am

steveschneider wrote:
Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

I tend to think Biden because like others said, if they were going to vote for trump they aren’t going to peel off and vote for Amash instead. Seems more likely that it would be republicans voting for Biden that are attracted to a third option.

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Nice tweet dude and with a blue check mark.

Are you drunk right now steve?

by **Cameron** Wed Apr 29, 2020 11:27 am

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
Cameron wrote:Politico: Justin Amash announces exploratory committee for president

Would this hurt Trump more or Biden more?

I tend to think Biden because like others said, if they were going to vote for trump they aren’t going to peel off and vote for Amash instead. Seems more likely that it would be republicans voting for Biden that are attracted to a third option.

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I think you're right. As a likely Biden voter, I'd at least consider Amash if he's on the ballot in November. Probably not many likely Trump voters who would do likewise, but I'm just going on intuition for that assessment.

by **steveschneider** Wed Apr 29, 2020 11:34 am

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
steveschneider wrote:

Nice tweet dude and with a blue check mark.

Are you drunk right now steve?

Nope just pointing out that weeks you griped about me citing tweets in one of your half baked rants, and then here you are posting a tweet. Just highlighting your text book hypocrisy.

by **Robert J Sakimano** Wed Apr 29, 2020 11:51 am

keep in mind, the polls are designed to make Biden supporters, or even those who may be lukewarm to Biden, complacent or encourage them to lean toward Amash.

by **NigelUno** Wed Apr 29, 2020 11:53 am

Justin Who?

by **Cameron** Wed Apr 29, 2020 12:05 pm

Robert J Sakimano wrote:keep in mind, the polls are designed to make Biden supporters, or even those who may be lukewarm to Biden, complacent or encourage them to lean toward Amash.

Which polls?

by **Robert J Sakimano** Wed Apr 29, 2020 12:20 pm

Cameron wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:keep in mind, the polls are designed to make Biden supporters, or even those who may be lukewarm to Biden, complacent or encourage them to lean toward Amash.

Which polls?

all of them.

by **Travis of the Cosmos** Wed Apr 29, 2020 12:28 pm

steveschneider wrote:
Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

Are you drunk right now steve?

Nope just pointing out that weeks you griped about me citing tweets in one of your half baked rants, and then here you are posting a tweet. Just highlighting your text book hypocrisy.

Steve what I cited was really a Detroit news poll, not a tweet.

What you cry about is what mean Bernie people on twitter. I understand that you won’t understand the difference and I truly don’t care what you think about anything, but.... well I guess I’m just wasting time really.

by **Cameron** Wed Apr 29, 2020 1:13 pm

by **Cameron** Wed Apr 29, 2020 1:15 pm

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
Cameron wrote:

Which polls?
all of them.

Sarah Palin is your intellectual peer.

by **kingstonlake** Wed Apr 29, 2020 1:23 pm

Cameron wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote: all of them.

Sarah Palin is your intellectual peer.

ahhhhhh, back when America didn't accept overt stupidity in a candidate.

by **Robert J Sakimano** Wed Apr 29, 2020 1:31 pm

Cameron wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote: all of them.

Sarah Palin is your intellectual peer.

actually, I aspire to her level of intellectual curiosity and academic success.

so calling her my intellectual peer is one of the kindest things you can say. Thank you. The 2020 Presidential campaign. - Page 24 969504605

by **Robert J Sakimano** Wed Apr 29, 2020 1:34 pm

kingstonlake wrote:
Cameron wrote:

Sarah Palin is your intellectual peer.

ahhhhhh, back when America didn't accept overt stupidity in a candidate.

America is much likely to accept stupidity from a racist, bigoted misogynistic male. In a lot of ways, Palin was victimized by our anti-female culture. Yes, she is as dumb as a bag of hammers.. but so is the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator. We hold women to a different standard.

(not to say that I sympathize with Palin, as she is one of the worst human beings imaginable but she was definitely a victim of a patriarchal society that she herself subscribes to. Hard to feel bad for her).

by **steveschneider** Wed Apr 29, 2020 2:02 pm

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
steveschneider wrote:

Nope just pointing out that weeks you griped about me citing tweets in one of your half baked rants, and then here you are posting a tweet. Just highlighting your text book hypocrisy.

Steve what I cited was really a Detroit news poll, not a tweet.

What you cry about is what mean Bernie people on twitter. I understand that you won’t understand the difference and I truly don’t care what you think about anything, but.... well I guess I’m just wasting time really.

You posted it we all saw it. Take your gas lighting else where.

by **steveschneider** Wed Apr 29, 2020 7:48 pm

I think Biden is in trouble. He’s going to have to get out in front of these allegations because he’s about to get me too’d.

by **kingstonlake** Wed Apr 29, 2020 8:29 pm

steveschneider wrote:I think Biden is in trouble. He’s going to have to get out in front of these allegations because he’s about to get me too’d.

I’d say enter Andrew Cuomo....but that would guarantee Bernie bro’s flipping red.

by **NigelUno** Wed Apr 29, 2020 8:30 pm

steveschneider wrote:I think Biden is in trouble. He’s going to have to get out in front of these allegations because he’s about to get me too’d.

Next man up. (Or woman)

by **Cameron** Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:50 pm

steveschneider wrote:I think Biden is in trouble. He’s going to have to get out in front of these allegations because he’s about to get me too’d.

The establishment has been trying real hard to protect him, I wouldn't count him out just yet.

by **Cameron** Wed Apr 29, 2020 10:16 pm

Cameron wrote:
steveschneider wrote:Just checked FB (yes I've logged on for the pandemic and yes the site sucks), a lot of cry babies out.

'Great a Rapist vs a Rapist'.

'a whole lotta people want somebody with literal shit for brains to be running this country.'

Literally seeing about 20 posts of pure vitriol towards Biden. At the end of the day I don't think these people got just how toxic the whole movement became. That's what happens when you believe you are morally superior and you fall in love with a cause as a group.

No one else seemed to want to talk about it when I brought it up a page or two back. But I'll go on record: I don't think he forcibly fingered that lady in a hallway. I think he probably did his regular creepy uncle shit, which is basically how her story went for a decade, but then she saw the me too explosion and got into Bernie and saw her chance.

But I find it extremely telling that there is basically the same amount of evidence here as there was with Kavanaugh, yet the response has been vastly different from the media and hypocrites like Alyssa Milano.

In summation, I have always thought "believe all women" was a silly and impracticable stance. Some women are liars.

I'm moving my gavel to the fence.

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by **steveschneider** Wed Apr 29, 2020 11:12 pm

Cameron wrote:
steveschneider wrote:I think Biden is in trouble. He’s going to have to get out in front of these allegations because he’s about to get me too’d.

The establishment has been trying real hard to protect him, I wouldn't count him out just yet.

I think journalists would love to take him down. It would be the equivalent of winning a natty for them. We will have to see this play out a little bit bu I’m guessing he’s going to have to address it.

by **Rocinante** Thu Apr 30, 2020 2:34 am

steveschneider wrote:I think Biden is in trouble. He’s going to have to get out in front of these allegations because he’s about to get me too’d.

Stop getting worked up over twitter, Steve.

by **Robert J Sakimano** Thu Apr 30, 2020 5:48 am

steveschneider wrote:I think Biden is in trouble. He’s going to have to get out in front of these allegations because he’s about to get me too’d.

just wait 'til the mainstream media sinks their teeth in.

by **steveschneider** Thu Apr 30, 2020 6:42 am

Rocinante wrote:
steveschneider wrote:I think Biden is in trouble. He’s going to have to get out in front of these allegations because he’s about to get me too’d.

Stop getting worked up over twitter, Steve.

I’m reacting to the Washington Post.

by **NigelUno** Thu Apr 30, 2020 8:32 am

Has Trump done enough damage (just by opening his mouth), that anyone would have virtually the same chance to beat him?

Eliminate Bernie (just for discussion purposes...socialism!) and Biden...would Kamala, Warren, or Mayor Pete energize voters enough to take Trump down?

by **steveschneider** Thu Apr 30, 2020 8:56 am

NigelUno wrote:Has Trump done enough damage (just by opening his mouth), that anyone would have virtually the same chance to beat him?

Eliminate Bernie (just for discussion purposes...socialism!) and Biden...would Kamala, Warren, or Mayor Pete energize voters enough to take Trump down?

Possible but not as good a chance as Biden. There’s a reason why he won and lead vs over those choices the entire way.

by **steveschneider** Thu Apr 30, 2020 9:00 am

Out of your list I’d go with mayor Pete.

by **steveschneider** Thu Apr 30, 2020 9:18 am

Also, I think this is going to blow over. Even though it was a huge topic, I think a lot of dems are like Cameron and they didn't believe Ford either. I think a lot of people have issues with the metoo and don't believe accusation equals guilty or that they should pay a price with their career/legacy destroyed.

Also, the whole idea that Biden threw her up against the wall and said 'you're nothing to me' just doesn't sit right. Seems way out of character for someone that did this just one time. The Post definitely elevated the story yesterday so I guess we'll see if it sticks.

by AvgMSUJoe Thu Apr 30, 2020 9:39 am

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
Cameron wrote:Politico: Justin Amash announces exploratory committee for president

Would this hurt Trump more or Biden more?
30% of knuckle-draggin' christians are gonna vote for the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator no matter what.

I'd say Amash could pick off a few 'common sense' republicans (if there are any) that might otherwise stay home. He might be able to take a few from Biden, as well - people who might tend to lean right but are in no way going to support someone who brags about raping women and mocks disabled people.

This isn't a Perot, a Nader or even a Jill Stein type third party with a strong ideological leaning one way or the other. Amash has been very outspoken against the racist, bigoted christian sexual predtor while still trying to maintain his republican/libertarian status. Perot was a republican, Stein/Nader strong Democrats. I think, if anything, Amash could sort of draw a minimal amount of interest from people on both sides who aren't happy with the major candidates.

in the end, I suspect his presence will matter very little, if at all. That is even if he stays in it until November.

One thing... He has said if he runs for pres he wont continue his reelection for his house seat. Which means instead of him splitting the west mi vote allowing a chance for a dem... it will be that meijer douchbag vs. rando dem with the chance for a seat flip being much more remote.

by **Robert J Sakimano** Thu Apr 30, 2020 9:52 am

uh oh, per mainstream media, Sleepy Joe "Wuhan" Biden has issues with the University of Delaware and them keeping secrets now..

EXCLUSIVE: Numerous top officials on the board of the University of Delaware, which is refusing to release Joe Biden's Senate records despite an earlier promise to do so, have close personal and financial ties to the former vice president, records reviewed by Fox News show -- and the chairman of the board even bought Biden's house in 1996 for $1.2 million, reportedly a "top dollar" price given its condition.

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by **Cameron** Thu Apr 30, 2020 11:42 am

steveschneider wrote:
NigelUno wrote:Has Trump done enough damage (just by opening his mouth), that anyone would have virtually the same chance to beat him?

Eliminate Bernie (just for discussion purposes...socialism!) and Biden...would Kamala, Warren, or Mayor Pete energize voters enough to take Trump down?

Possible but not as good a chance as Biden. There’s a reason why he won and lead vs over those choices the entire way.

Link? Biden lead the entire way? News to me, steve.

by **Cameron** Thu Apr 30, 2020 11:46 am

My thought is that Biden should withdraw and allow the DNC to nominate someone else. To be clear, I am under no delusion that this "someone else" would be Bernie or Yang or anyone I actually like.

But I had a similar feeling about Kavanagh. There were numerous people the GOP could have put forward instead, people without the accusations and baggage. But they didn't want to lose, didn't want to admit fault, and didn't want to let the other side score any political points, so they rammed him through anyway. Dems are gonna try the same thing.

by **steveschneider** Thu Apr 30, 2020 11:53 am

Cameron wrote:
steveschneider wrote:

Possible but not as good a chance as Biden. There’s a reason why he won and lead vs over those choices the entire way.

Link? Biden lead the entire way? News to me, steve.

He lead over those choices the entire way in polls. Should have specified. Maybe Mayor Pete had a day or two where he had a lead over him in the polls. In delegates yes, after Iowa and New Hampshire Pete had a lead over them.

by **steveschneider** Thu Apr 30, 2020 12:01 pm

Cameron wrote:My thought is that Biden should withdraw and allow the DNC to nominate someone else. To be clear, I am under no delusion that this "someone else" would be Bernie or Yang or anyone I actually like.

But I had a similar feeling about Kavanagh. There were numerous people the GOP could have put forward instead, people without the accusations and baggage. But they didn't want to lose, didn't want to admit fault, and didn't want to let the other side score any political points, so they rammed him through anyway. Dems are gonna try the same thing.

Worth a read...

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/04/29/joe-biden-sexual-assault-allegation-tara-reade-column/3046962001/

You might be shocked but I'm close to agreeing with you that it might be better to switch up. Here's the truth I'm not even that big of a Biden fan, I just thought form day #1 he was the best choice to beat Trump and I'm really a one issue voter this election which is to beat Trump.

If they could make a switch to someone like Cuomo I think he'd get the job done. Going off that article though this line "We can support the #MeToo movement and not support allegations of sexual assault that do not ring true. If these two positions cannot coexist, the movement is no more than a hit squad"

I don't really find Reade to be credible, not sure its fair to destroy someones career and opportunity over something that warrants a lot of skepticism.

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