Re: The 2020 Presidential campaign.

by **MiamiSpartan** 2020-10-21, 06:54

GRR Spartan wrote:John Huntsman.
The last GOP nomination seeker I would have voted for.

He was a client of mine for a beautiful golf course development that he owned in Idaho. Never met him though. I remember hearing that he ran for president, but I have no idea about his policies.

by **Watch Out Pylon!** 2020-10-21, 08:03

MiamiSpartan wrote:By the way, Roc, since you kind of asked how they reach you on TV, it depends what you watch as a cord cutter. If you watch all Netflix, Prime, and HBO, they can't reach you. If you have the lower tier Hulu with ads, that's one way. And YouTube. And if you subscribe to anything like YouTubeTV, Hulu Live TV, Sling, Fubo, etc., or if you even watch non-premium cable shows direct on those networks' apps, then you can be served ads.

It isn't easy though, as less than half of streaming viewing is on ad supported services, and about 20% of all streaming is YouTube, which sucks for advertisers as there is such random, and sometimes offensive content on YouTube that you can't really avoid if your an advertiser.

Can confirm. YouTube TV gets all the political ads. Mostly Biden.

by **Floyd Robertson** 2020-10-21, 08:20

Watch Out Pylon! wrote:
MiamiSpartan wrote:By the way, Roc, since you kind of asked how they reach you on TV, it depends what you watch as a cord cutter. If you watch all Netflix, Prime, and HBO, they can't reach you. If you have the lower tier Hulu with ads, that's one way. And YouTube. And if you subscribe to anything like YouTubeTV, Hulu Live TV, Sling, Fubo, etc., or if you even watch non-premium cable shows direct on those networks' apps, then you can be served ads.

It isn't easy though, as less than half of streaming viewing is on ad supported services, and about 20% of all streaming is YouTube, which sucks for advertisers as there is such random, and sometimes offensive content on YouTube that you can't really avoid if your an advertiser.

Can confirm. YouTube TV gets all the political ads. Mostly Biden.

Probably cause Trump broke.

I'm on Hulu Live and I do see a lot of Trump ads, though. Too f'kn many.

by **MiamiSpartan** 2020-10-21, 08:31

Trump campaign has $63m cash on hand. Biden has $171m.

by **steveschneider** 2020-10-21, 10:03

MiamiSpartan wrote:
steveschneider wrote:

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/understanding-two-sides-reagan-polarizing-political-icon-pragmatic-president

Video from 4 minutes to the end all about the compromises Reagan made. Whole video is fascinating but the point is the liberals you cited weren't the only ones to compromise.

Yep, and the Bushes had Dems in their administration, too. I only mentioned Clinton and Obama as examples of Dems, as more of a comparison to Biden and as more of a point to the Dems here.

The beauty of our system is the friction you have from two opposing views and compromise. Reagan said he'd rather get 80% of what he wanted than nothing.

by AvgMSUJoe 2020-10-21, 10:49

Turtleneck wrote:Uh, Biden just dropped Sam Elliot on the Trump campaign. You don’t come back from Sam Elliot.

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Yeah... Sam Elliot commercials should be run on Fox and Friends, etc... Those cocksuckers wouldn't have a chance.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2020-10-21, 11:08

great ad.

I realize we're way past this point and that the deplorables are beyond repair.. but it's amazing to think that the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator is still going to get probably, at least, 45% of the vote.

we are a broken country.

by **Floyd Robertson** 2020-10-21, 11:18

lol this crime syndicate can't even cover their tracks.

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by **Jake from State Farm** 2020-10-21, 11:20

Floyd Robertson wrote:lol this crime syndicate can't even cover their tracks.

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Isn't he the dumbass that keeps sabotaging the stimulus talks?

by **Floyd Robertson** 2020-10-21, 11:21

Jake from State Farm wrote:
Floyd Robertson wrote:lol this crime syndicate can't even cover their tracks.

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Isn't he the dumbass that keeps sabotaging the stimulus talks?

I'm not sure. Too many dumbasses in this administration to keep track of.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2020-10-21, 11:23

Meadows was the congressional rep. for the town I grew up in.. heavily gerrymandered and he's a total slimeball.

by **steveschneider** 2020-10-21, 11:36

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by **Robert J Sakimano** 2020-10-21, 12:54

the GOP wants to investigate Biden for using Amtrak.

Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden earlier this month took an Amtrak train ride to campaign in key Rust Belt states — and Republicans are vowing to get to the bottom of it.

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by **Floyd Robertson** 2020-10-21, 12:58

Robert J Sakimano wrote:the GOP wants to investigate Biden for using Amtrak.

Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden earlier this month took an Amtrak train ride to campaign in key Rust Belt states — and Republicans are vowing to get to the bottom of it.

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That's serious stuff. Way more serious than secret Chinese bank accounts or the WH CoS using campaign funds to buy $2500 worth of printed matter at a jewelry store.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2020-10-21, 13:03

Floyd Robertson wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:the GOP wants to investigate Biden for using Amtrak.

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That's serious stuff. Way more serious than secret Chinese bank accounts or the WH CoS using campaign funds to buy $2500 worth of printed matter at a jewelry store.

I'm sure the deplorables, when they catch their breath from whining and crying about whatever Hunter Biden did, will be outraged at this, as well.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2020-10-21, 13:11

as predicted, the mainstream media is now demanding an investigation of Joe Biden.

NBC News contributor Hugh Hewitt interviewed White House chief of staff Mark Meadows on Wednesday and urged the appointment of a special counsel to investigate “both Bidens” — Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden and his son Hunter — in what would appear to be an open-ended manner to continue after the presidential election.

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by **MiamiSpartan** 2020-10-21, 13:24

Robert J Sakimano wrote:as predicted, the mainstream media is now demanding an investigation of Joe Biden.

NBC News contributor Hugh Hewitt interviewed White House chief of staff Mark Meadows on Wednesday and urged the appointment of a special counsel to investigate “both Bidens” — Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden and his son Hunter — in what would appear to be an open-ended manner to continue after the presidential election.

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A contributor = NBC? I guess tSwill supports Trump because Pantry posts here. I can't believe that the mainstream media would dare to let anyone occasionally be on the air that isn't fully in lock step with Biden and the Dems. Down with the free press!

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2020-10-21, 13:28

MiamiSpartan wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:as predicted, the mainstream media is now demanding an investigation of Joe Biden.

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A contributor = NBC. I guess tSwill supports Trump because Pantry posts here. I can't believe that the mainstream media would dare to let anyone occasionally be on the air that isn't fully in lock step with Biden and the Dems. Down with the free press!

sorry that it disrupts your narrative.. you'll have to take that up with NBC.

by **MiamiSpartan** 2020-10-21, 13:39

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
MiamiSpartan wrote:

A contributor = NBC. I guess tSwill supports Trump because Pantry posts here. I can't believe that the mainstream media would dare to let anyone occasionally be on the air that isn't fully in lock step with Biden and the Dems. Down with the free press!
sorry that it disrupts your narrative.. you'll have to take that up with NBC.

You're the one that gets bent out of shape when the media dares to allow one opposing voice out every 20 commentators.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2020-10-21, 14:05

MiamiSpartan wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:
sorry that it disrupts your narrative.. you'll have to take that up with NBC.
okay.

You're the one that gets bent out of shape when the media dares to allow one opposing voice out every 20 commentators.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2020-10-21, 14:07

looks like our christian hero isn't the only sexual deviant in the White House.

Rudy Giuliani was tricked by Sacha Baron Cohen into going to hotel room with 'Borat's daughter' and is shown lying back with his hand down his pants before actor bursts in on them

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by **kingstonlake** 2020-10-21, 17:03

FEC filings show, as of September 30th, Trump has donated a total of $8,000 to his own re-election bid.

by **MiamiSpartan** 2020-10-21, 17:10

Here's one for you, steve....

Obama in Philadelphia and takes a question from a 36 year old councilman (I think) named Isaiah Thomas.

Obama said, "You may not be old enough to remember this, but Bulls fans don't like Isaiah Thomas" (or something to that effect).

by **kingstonlake** 2020-10-21, 18:35

IBD/TIPP had race at 49-46 Biden. Concerning.... They along with Trafalgar were there only two polls to predict the 2016 race correctly.

And I'm still not convinced Trumps losing. I still think he finds a way to win. I think the silent Trump voter is larger than most realize. If you think about it, someone who doesn't feel he's personally a racist but knows he's probably voting for one isn't going too admit it, let alone participate in a poll to admit it. In a voting booth? Different story.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2020-10-21, 19:10

kingstonlake wrote:IBD/TIPP had race at 49-46 Biden. Concerning.... They along with Trafalgar were there only two polls to predict the 2016 race correctly.

And I'm still not convinced Trumps losing. I still think he finds a way to win. I think the silent Trump voter is larger than most realize. If you think about it, someone who doesn't feel he's personally a racist but knows he's probably voting for one isn't going too admit it, let alone participate in a poll to admit it. In a voting booth? Different story.

the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator is gonna win.. been saying it for probably a year (at least).

by **MiamiSpartan** 2020-10-21, 19:38

kingstonlake wrote:IBD/TIPP had race at 49-46 Biden. Concerning.... They along with Trafalgar were there only two polls to predict the 2016 race correctly.

And I'm still not convinced Trumps losing. I still think he finds a way to win. I think the silent Trump voter is larger than most realize. If you think about it, someone who doesn't feel he's personally a racist but knows he's probably voting for one isn't going too admit it, let alone participate in a poll to admit it. In a voting booth? Different story.

By the same token, traditional Republicans may not voice that they'll break from the party. In a voting booth? Different story. I think the silent anti-Trump vote is being under valued.

But rather than look at those numbers in a vacuum (or with 2016's poll in a vacuum), let's consider a few things. That 2016 poll that they're famous for had Trump winning the popular vote by 1.6%. He lost the popular vote by 2.1%. So this poll that gets so much credit was off in favor of Trump by almost 4%. Apply that to now, and Biden wins by 7%, which is very likely more than enough to overcome the electoral difference.

Additionally, that 2016 poll had Hillary at 43%. She got 48%. This poll already has Biden at 48%.

It is also worth noting that in 2016, the RCP average had Hillary at only +3%, with 47%. She won the popular vote by 2% with 48%. So that ended up pretty close on the popular vote, and in fact much closer than this IDB poll was. The current RCP average is Biden +8.2% with 51%.

Biden in a landslide.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2020-10-21, 19:48

MiamiSpartan wrote:
kingstonlake wrote:IBD/TIPP had race at 49-46 Biden. Concerning.... They along with Trafalgar were there only two polls to predict the 2016 race correctly.

And I'm still not convinced Trumps losing. I still think he finds a way to win. I think the silent Trump voter is larger than most realize. If you think about it, someone who doesn't feel he's personally a racist but knows he's probably voting for one isn't going too admit it, let alone participate in a poll to admit it. In a voting booth? Different story.

By the same token, traditional Republicans may not voice that they'll break from the party. In a voting booth? Different story. I think the silent anti-Trump vote is being under valued.

But rather than look at those numbers in a vacuum (or with 2016's poll in a vacuum), let's consider a few things. That 2016 poll that they're famous for had Trump winning the popular vote by 1.6%. He lost the popular vote by 2.1%. So this poll that gets so much credit was off in favor of Trump by almost 4%. Apply that to now, and Biden wins by 7%, which is very likely more than enough to overcome the electoral difference.

Additionally, that 2016 poll had Hillary at 43%. She got 48%. This poll already has Biden at 48%.

It is also worth noting that in 2016, the RCP average had Hillary at only +3%, with 47%. She won the popular vote by 2% with 48%. So that ended up pretty close on the popular vote, and in fact much closer than this IDB poll was. The current RCP average is Biden +8.2% with 51%.

Biden in a landslide.

I hope you're right, G.

by **steveschneider** 2020-10-21, 20:22

MiamiSpartan wrote:Here's one for you, steve....

Obama in Philadelphia and takes a question from a 36 year old councilman (I think) named Isaiah Thomas.

Obama said, "You may not be old enough to remember this, but Bulls fans don't like Isaiah Thomas" (or something to that effect).

Ha, Good stuff and I respect that. That’s the right answer. Makes me think that during the aircraft carrier game Obama probably wanted UNC to win because of his admiration of Jordan.

by **kingstonlake** 2020-10-21, 20:39

MiamiSpartan wrote:
kingstonlake wrote:IBD/TIPP had race at 49-46 Biden. Concerning.... They along with Trafalgar were there only two polls to predict the 2016 race correctly.

And I'm still not convinced Trumps losing. I still think he finds a way to win. I think the silent Trump voter is larger than most realize. If you think about it, someone who doesn't feel he's personally a racist but knows he's probably voting for one isn't going too admit it, let alone participate in a poll to admit it. In a voting booth? Different story.

By the same token, traditional Republicans may not voice that they'll break from the party. In a voting booth? Different story. I think the silent anti-Trump vote is being under valued.

But rather than look at those numbers in a vacuum (or with 2016's poll in a vacuum), let's consider a few things. That 2016 poll that they're famous for had Trump winning the popular vote by 1.6%. He lost the popular vote by 2.1%. So this poll that gets so much credit was off in favor of Trump by almost 4%. Apply that to now, and Biden wins by 7%, which is very likely more than enough to overcome the electoral difference.

Additionally, that 2016 poll had Hillary at 43%. She got 48%. This poll already has Biden at 48%.

It is also worth noting that in 2016, the RCP average had Hillary at only +3%, with 47%. She won the popular vote by 2% with 48%. So that ended up pretty close on the popular vote, and in fact much closer than this IDB poll was. The current RCP average is Biden +8.2% with 51%.

Biden in a landslide.

Couple things that make me feel good about Bidens chances (besides your analysis). Apparently he's not willing to put his money into his own campaign. He's campaigning in states that should be slam dunks. The biggest one (and this is just a hunch) Conway bolting. I'm not buying the family angle for her departure. Not for a second. I think she sees the hole in the hull.

by **kingstonlake** 2020-10-21, 20:41

Question. All these campaign flights on airforce one? Does his campaign pay for that or is he allowed to put the taxpayer on the hook for that?

by **MiamiSpartan** 2020-10-21, 20:54

kingstonlake wrote:
MiamiSpartan wrote:

By the same token, traditional Republicans may not voice that they'll break from the party. In a voting booth? Different story. I think the silent anti-Trump vote is being under valued.

But rather than look at those numbers in a vacuum (or with 2016's poll in a vacuum), let's consider a few things. That 2016 poll that they're famous for had Trump winning the popular vote by 1.6%. He lost the popular vote by 2.1%. So this poll that gets so much credit was off in favor of Trump by almost 4%. Apply that to now, and Biden wins by 7%, which is very likely more than enough to overcome the electoral difference.

Additionally, that 2016 poll had Hillary at 43%. She got 48%. This poll already has Biden at 48%.

It is also worth noting that in 2016, the RCP average had Hillary at only +3%, with 47%. She won the popular vote by 2% with 48%. So that ended up pretty close on the popular vote, and in fact much closer than this IDB poll was. The current RCP average is Biden +8.2% with 51%.

Biden in a landslide.

Couple things that make me feel good about Bidens chances (besides your analysis). Apparently he's not willing to put his money into his own campaign. He's campaigning in states that should be slam dunks. The biggest one (and this is just a hunch) Conway bolting. I'm not buying the family angle for her departure. Not for a second. I think she sees the hole in the hull.

Conway's reason for her departure is legit. Her husband stepped away from the Lincoln Project at the same time, which all came right after their 15yo daughter started the legal process to seek emancipation from her parents.

But yeah, I agree otherwise. The desperation Trump shows belies what he says about his internal polls.

Biden's team has been saying that their internal polls show that it is a dead heat, but I suspect they're trying to combat the complacency from 2016 that led to low turnout since people thought Hillary was a lock.

by **MiamiSpartan** 2020-10-21, 21:02

kingstonlake wrote:Question. All these campaign flights on airforce one? Does his campaign pay for that or is he allowed to put the taxpayer on the hook for that?

I'd guess the campaign has to pay to some extent, because he has often made up some official supposedly non-campaign, presidential duty thing to do on some of these trips. He then tacks on a campaign event in the same area. I'd guess that is to avoid paying. Or maybe it is just a perk of being the incumbent, as presidents seeking re-election have to use AF1.

Now, the way that they pull AF1 up right next to or behind the the big airport rallies so that ot is in the background is absolutely a violation of the Hatch Act of using government property for campaign purposes. But just add that to his running total of hundreds of Hatch Act violations.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2020-10-22, 16:00

new report today..

“Officials did not make clear what Russia planned to do, but they said its operations would be intended to help President Trump, potentially by exacerbating disputes around the results.”

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this fix is in.

by **steveschneider** 2020-10-22, 20:12

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Is this the new normal?

by **DWags** 2020-10-22, 21:09

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Is this the new normal?

Four years of these assholes and you're saying "New" normal? It's the normal. Not new.

by **steveschneider** 2020-10-22, 21:30

Biden is ripping Trump a new one.

by **steveschneider** 2020-10-22, 21:40

The Pinocchio writer at the Washington Post is going to have stress fractures in both arms after debunking all the whoppers Trump has told tonight. Speaking of whoppers has Trump put on some weight?

by **Turtleneck** 2020-10-23, 07:37

I haven’t read the article, and have no clue, but just want to blatantly steal Bob’s material: I bet he’s pro life.

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by **kingstonlake** 2020-10-23, 08:40

steveschneider wrote:The Pinocchio writer at the Washington Post is going to have stress fractures in both arms after debunking all the whoppers Trump has told tonight. Speaking of whoppers has Trump put on some weight?

Roid weight gain.

by **Rocinante** 2020-10-23, 13:55

Turtleneck wrote:I haven’t read the article, and have no clue, but just want to blatantly steal Bob’s material: I bet he’s pro life.

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He looks like a small fat version of the Highlander.

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