Four day work week trial was a cracking success!!

Motown Spartan wrote:Society is evolving. Old white men don't know what to do.

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

Motown Spartan wrote:Society is evolving. Old white men don't know what to do.

Lotta people, especially in the older whiter more afraid demographic bit real real hard on the corporate propaganda for years. They truly believe it when their corporate overlords tell them that we’re all family and they have their best interests at heart.

It’s difficult to accept, once you’ve bit so hard into that, that your job has always just been a transaction between two parties. One party needs something, and wants as much of it as cheaply as possible. The other party wants the opposite. Once you wrap your head around that it’s not really that big of a stretch to get to yeah why am I there for more hours than I need to be just because that’s defined as “full time” if I’m still producing what you are paying for. What are you supposed to do, extra work beyond your job that they aren’t paying for? Absolutely not

Motown Spartan wrote:

TravelinMan wrote:

I do find a curious overlap between the "Kill the 40 hour work week" and the "OMG, pay me a living wage, I don't make enough money" groups.

4 x 10 = 40

Math is hard.

Motown Spartan wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

Lotta people, especially in the older whiter more afraid demographic bit real real hard on the corporate propaganda for years. They truly believe it when their corporate overlords tell them that we’re all family and they have their best interests at heart.

It’s difficult to accept, once you’ve bit so hard into that, that your job has always just been a transaction between two parties. One party needs something, and wants as much of it as cheaply as possible. The other party wants the opposite. Once you wrap your head around that it’s not really that big of a stretch to get to yeah why am I there for more hours than I need to be just because that’s defined as “full time” if I’m still producing what you are paying for. What are you supposed to do, extra work beyond your job that they aren’t paying for? Absolutely not

RQA and TravelinMan have been getting screwed by their employers for years while calling us "softies" because we're not suckers that have been taken advantage of by the corporate machine...like they are.

TravelinMan wrote:

Motown Spartan wrote:

RQA and TravelinMan have been getting screwed by their employers for years while calling us "softies" because we're not suckers that have been taken advantage of by the corporate machine...like they are.

If your employer is screwing you, that's your fault. Stand up for yourselves, demand a fair wage, and if you can't get one, go somewhere you can.

My employer screwed me so badly I was able to retire in my late 40s. You can imagine my horror.

TravelinMan wrote:

Motown Spartan wrote:

4 x 10 = 40

Math is hard.

Oh, is Bernie sticking with a 4x10 schedule? I hadn't seen that. I found it curious he said a reduction in work week without a reduction in pay. Assumed he meant a 32 hour work week like the Dems in CA are proposing.

RQA wrote:

GRR Spartan wrote: means less unpaid leave for doctor and dentist

The doctors and dentists will want the same work schedule, won't they?

Motown Spartan wrote:

TravelinMan wrote:

If your employer is screwing you, that's your fault.  Stand up for yourselves, demand a fair wage, and if you can't get one, go somewhere you can.

My employer screwed me so badly I was able to retire in my late 40s.  You can imagine my horror.

25 years of digging ditches got you a pension, good job.

DWags wrote:

TravelinMan wrote:

Oh, is Bernie sticking with a 4x10 schedule? I hadn't seen that. I found it curious he said a reduction in work week without a reduction in pay. Assumed he meant a 32 hour work week like the Dems in CA are proposing.

Week= 7
Work week = 5
Proposed work week = 4

4< 5

Reduction in work week.

92% of companies who did this are liking it.

GRR Spartan wrote:

RQA wrote:

The doctors and dentists will want the same work schedule, won't they?

Do you walk around with your finger ups an oraface before coming back with type first / think next gems?

Not everyone working four ten hour days is locked into Monday thru Thursday.  I know several two dentists offices who have their offices open Fridays from 8-1 with one dentist / 1 admin and 2-3 hygienists every other Friday.  

My brother-in-law who works in anon-union tool and die shop works 4 ten hour days.  Who works Mondays or Fridays is set by shop seniority.  If your team has a job that requires OT that's luck of the draw and that team has the option of coming in Fridays or Saturdays.

There are some businesses like food distribution warehouses, that are 6.5 day a week operations that start their week on Sundays 2nd shift.  There are a helluva a lot of admins who were 7-4 / 8-5 / 3-11  already working 4 tens with COVID.  Some even working from home after they proved they had a decent internet connection.

Time to start whining about EV, wind and solar power.

Luddite trolls hate any change.

TravelinMan wrote:

GRR Spartan wrote:

Do you walk around with your finger ups an oraface before coming back with type first / think next gems?

Not everyone working four ten hour days is locked into Monday thru Thursday.  I know several two dentists offices who have their offices open Fridays from 8-1 with one dentist / 1 admin and 2-3 hygienists every other Friday.  

My brother-in-law who works in anon-union tool and die shop works 4 ten hour days.  Who works Mondays or Fridays is set by shop seniority.  If your team has a job that requires OT that's luck of the draw and that team has the option of coming in Fridays or Saturdays.

There are some businesses like food distribution warehouses, that are 6.5 day a week operations that start their week on Sundays 2nd shift.  There are a helluva a lot of admins who were 7-4 / 8-5 / 3-11  already working 4 tens with COVID.  Some even working from home after they proved they had a decent internet connection.

Time to start whining about EV, wind and solar power.

Luddite trolls hate any change.

Now now, I thought we weren't doing personal attacks or insults on people here in this new land of milk and honey? Or is GRR somehow valuable like Bob is?

NigelUno wrote:

TravelinMan wrote:

Now now, I thought we weren't doing personal attacks or insults on people here in this new land of milk and honey? Or is GRR somehow valuable like Bob is?

Do milk and honey overlap?

Motown Spartan wrote:The same retired people complaining about this are in the same camp as those upset about student loan forgiveness.
“But I had to work 5 days a week”
“But I had to pay my student loans”
They don’t care about other people.

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

TravelinMan wrote:

Now now, I thought we weren't doing personal attacks or insults on people here in this new land of milk and honey? Or is GRR somehow valuable like Bob is?

This website is 9 years old. It’s not new because you just discovered it.

GRR Spartan wrote:Travelin’ Man’s new schtick is woofin’ about his gas stove.

TravelinMan wrote:

Motown Spartan wrote:The same retired people complaining about this are in the same camp as those upset about student loan forgiveness.
“But I had to work 5 days a week”
“But I had to pay my student loans”
They don’t care about other people.

I couldn't give a crap what schedule someone works. 4x10 sounds pretty good, if you can pull it off. Queue a thousand single moms skreeching about daycare charging OT and having to leave to pick up her lil' man from the bus stop.

I have a major issue with student debt forgiveness. That's just flat out Socialism in the strictest sense.

I find amusing the anti-work, Great Silent Resigning and whatever other names the media has for these shiny little brats who want to stay at home and play video games instead of earning a living. "Ooooh, I can't support my baby momma and 2 kids on my McDonalds greeter position that I got with my degree in 14th century transgendered Spanish arts. That's racist! Whaaaaah!" My grandfather would have (rightly) beat those morons to death with his coal shovel.

But in the end, you're right. I'm retired, and unless the economy collapses or President AOC confiscates my excessive accounts, I'll probably be fine.

TravelinMan wrote:

DWags wrote:

Week= 7
Work week = 5
Proposed work week = 4

4< 5

Reduction in work week.

92% of companies who did this are liking it.

Even I can do that math, thanks.

What confused me was when he said "without a reduction in pay." Made me think he was joining the California Dems who are pushing a 32 hour standard work week.

Not sure why anyone would reduce pay if the hours are the same? There are labor laws to prevent that kind of thing.

Are we sure we know what Bernie meant? I could see him being a 4x8 kind of guy.

NigelUno wrote:

TravelinMan wrote:

I couldn't give a crap what schedule someone works. 4x10 sounds pretty good, if you can pull it off. Queue a thousand single moms skreeching about daycare charging OT and having to leave to pick up her lil' man from the bus stop.

I have a major issue with student debt forgiveness. That's just flat out Socialism in the strictest sense.

I find amusing the anti-work, Great Silent Resigning and whatever other names the media has for these shiny little brats who want to stay at home and play video games instead of earning a living. "Ooooh, I can't support my baby momma and 2 kids on my McDonalds greeter position that I got with my degree in 14th century transgendered Spanish arts. That's racist! Whaaaaah!" My grandfather would have (rightly) beat those morons to death with his coal shovel.

But in the end, you're right. I'm retired, and unless the economy collapses or President AOC confiscates my excessive accounts, I'll probably be fine.

Do you ever think you go a little over the top with your stories?

TravelinMan wrote:

Motown Spartan wrote:The same retired people complaining about this are in the same camp as those upset about student loan forgiveness.
“But I had to work 5 days a week”
“But I had to pay my student loans”
They don’t care about other people.

I couldn't give a crap what schedule someone works. 4x10 sounds pretty good, if you can pull it off. Queue a thousand single moms skreeching about daycare charging OT and having to leave to pick up her lil' man from the bus stop.

I have a major issue with student debt forgiveness. That's just flat out Socialism in the strictest sense.

I find amusing the anti-work, Great Silent Resigning and whatever other names the media has for these shiny little brats who want to stay at home and play video games instead of earning a living. "Ooooh, I can't support my baby momma and 2 kids on my McDonalds greeter position that I got with my degree in 14th century transgendered Spanish arts. That's racist! Whaaaaah!" My grandfather would have (rightly) beat those morons to death with his coal shovel.

But in the end, you're right. I'm retired, and unless the economy collapses or President AOC confiscates my excessive accounts, I'll probably be fine.

Motown Spartan wrote:

RQA and TravelinMan have been getting screwed by their employers for years while calling us "softies" because we're not suckers that have been taken advantage of by the corporate machine...like they are.

Trapper Gus wrote:

TravelinMan wrote:

I couldn't give a crap what schedule someone works. 4x10 sounds pretty good, if you can pull it off. Queue a thousand single moms skreeching about daycare charging OT and having to leave to pick up her lil' man from the bus stop.

I have a major issue with student debt forgiveness. That's just flat out Socialism in the strictest sense.

I find amusing the anti-work, Great Silent Resigning and whatever other names the media has for these shiny little brats who want to stay at home and play video games instead of earning a living. "Ooooh, I can't support my baby momma and 2 kids on my McDonalds greeter position that I got with my degree in 14th century transgendered Spanish arts. That's racist! Whaaaaah!" My grandfather would have (rightly) beat those morons to death with his coal shovel.

But in the end, you're right. I'm retired, and unless the economy collapses or President AOC confiscates my excessive accounts, I'll probably be fine.

Your posts continue to exhibit ideas which are ignorant tropes.

Student debt relief is not "socialism". Socialism is the US government owned TVA providing FoMoCo lower electric rates at their plants within TVA's service area, probably at the urging of politicians as part of the deal to facilitate the locating of the plants.

All the stories about young peoples' interests do not mean they are any less motivated, as a group, than any other age group.

Why do you repeat the MSM propaganda? Don't you read Bob?

NigelUno wrote:
Pay off your "loan" yet?

RQA wrote:

Motown Spartan wrote:

RQA and TravelinMan have been getting screwed by their employers for years while calling us "softies" because we're not suckers that have been taken advantage of by the corporate machine...like they are.

I haven't had an employer in many years but feel free to continue with your narrative.

Sounds like you still want other people to work so you can get more free stuff.

InTenSity wrote:So we were told by our employer that a COL raise was going to be tied to our PMR's. Then they told all the managers that anyone getting exceeds expectations would need to present a business case in front of the president as to why that employee deserves exceeds. We were profitable last year and in Q4 beat expectations due to inflation adjusted prices. I did ask my boss if we are getting inflation adjusted COL raises. Didn't really get an answer. Was also told that since our commodity didn't hit plan, not to expect much of a bonus. I told him that would suck because about 3 years ago, the company was carried by our commodity, we hit plan, but the company didn't and they took that out of our bonuses.

Kinda tired of being told I should be happy to have a job. I have 15 years experience, so getting another job I don't think would be too difficult, but I'm unable to move anywhere.

So basically I'm doing the Office Space thing, complete with coming in through the stairwell at 9:30 and leaving no later than 3. That doesn't mean I don't stop working, it just means I'm not wasting time at the office.

/end rant

Motown Spartan wrote:Still waiting for RQA and/or TravelinMan to present one cogent argument in support of a five day work week.

TravelinMan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

Your posts continue to exhibit ideas which are ignorant tropes.

Student debt relief is not "socialism". Socialism is the US government owned TVA providing FoMoCo lower electric rates at their plants within TVA's service area, probably at the urging of politicians as part of the deal to facilitate the locating of the plants.

All the stories about young peoples' interests do not mean they are any less motivated, as a group, than any other age group.

Why do you repeat the MSM propaganda? Don't you read Bob?

I'm actually surprised you support student loan forgiveness.

It's pretty regressive. The top 20% of households have 3x the student debt of the bottom 20%. Feels like we'd be creating even more wealth inequality between the Poors and the wealthy.

We need to make better use of existing safety nets within the loan programs for those struggling financially. We need to be willing to do some loan modifications where it makes sense. And we need to look forward and solve the root cause of this problem, or otherwise we'll just be back here in another decade with the same ol' same ol'.