Four day work week trial was a cracking success!!

sign me up for not buying into the white male corporate power structure definition of "hard work" = "a good man, a hard-workin' American. They don't make them like that anymore".

fuck that - people buy that garbage because they've been conditioned to believe it.

now if you'll excuse me, I'm gonna go listen to a country song about trucks, American flags, hard work, bonfires and cold beer.

When all of you die, hopefully many years from now, no one is going to talk about the job you slaved away at for years. It’s the most meaningless thing that as soon as you retire no one cares in the slightest what you did.

Go do a job to get yourself money. Spend as few hours as possible on it. Do your best to never think about that shit when you’re done for the day. Focus on the things that people actually will remember you for one day.

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:When all of you die, hopefully many years from now, no one is going to talk about the job you slaved away at for years. It’s the most meaningless thing that as soon as you retire no one cares in the slightest what you did.

Go do a job to get yourself money. Spend as few hours as possible on it. Do your best to never think about that shit when you’re done for the day. Focus on the things that people actually will remember you for one day.

Agree. Less time I spend at work is more time I can spend worrying about other peoples loans

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:When all of you die, hopefully many years from now, no one is going to talk about the job you slaved away at for years. It’s the most meaningless thing that as soon as you retire no one cares in the slightest what you did.

Go do a job to get yourself money. Spend as few hours as possible on it. Do your best to never think about that shit when you’re done for the day. Focus on the things that people actually will remember you for one day.

yep.

And the thing that I believe escapes a lot of people, especially early on in our adult lives, is the concept of 'living within your means'. Often, because we've been assaulted throughout the developmental stages of our lives, by a corporate-driven structure that models what 'success' looks like. Fancy houses, fancy cars, fancy vacations, etc., all amplified exponentially these days on social media.

before people know it, they have to work 60+ hours a week at a job they hate, glued to their phones even when they're with their families, to make those ends meet. It's extraordinarily toxic and propagates contempt in insidious ways often not fully realized.

one of my favorite sayings, and you seem to suggest it in your post, is "nobody on their death bed will every say "I wish I spent more time at the office". It's all about relationships, time spent with family and friends.

sounds hokey, of course - but it's true. You only get one shot at life. It's wise to not spend it bowing to the alter of materialism and the toxic definition of 'success' based on white male corporate America.

of course, it's also a function of privilege in America. Which is very unfortunate. That's not lost on me or my narrative here.

Weird dynamic at work. Our division leader is early 40’s, kinda old school super hero type guy. Under armor, driving glove, skull on the back window of his truck type guy. He hates that we can be remote for one day a week so of course he picks Wednesday as that day. The lone gal in our department got stuck in her driveway yesterday. So he tells her she can do remote for the first part of the day and make it to the office the second half. Why? Absolutely stupid. 

So we have our weekly (yes weekly) sales meeting conveniently tagged for 8:30 am every week. And for the third week in a row we teams meeting in our big boss. Who’s on his third week of working remote in Bonita Springs, FL….. I kid you not….

kingstonlake wrote:Weird dynamic at work. Our division leader is early 40’s, kinda old school super hero type guy. Under armor, driving glove, skull on the back window of his truck type guy. He hates that we can be remote for one day a week so of course he picks Wednesday as that day. The lone gal in our department got stuck in her driveway yesterday. So he tells her she can do remote for the first part of the day and make it to the office the second half. Why? Absolutely stupid. 

So we have our weekly (yes weekly) sales meeting conveniently tagged for 8:30 am every week. And for the third week in a row we teams meeting in our big boss. Who’s on his third week of working remote in Bonita Springs, FL….. I kid you not….

exactly..

Trapper Gus wrote:The really sad thing about what I am reading on here is that good management can cause people to be excited and happy to be at work.

Pretty much seems to be out of style, now, however for the first 20 years of my working life the management style in vogue was to interact with employees as coworkers, not as slaves, which was much more effective. Being at work was more like being at a good and long party.

During that style of management it was typical for the entire staff to be working 10 hours every day without any requests to do so.

The last 20 years the style changed to a style of ordering every work action and having every work action downplayed as not enough, and the staff started arriving at the demanded starting time and leaving at the allowed quitting time, putting in the 8 hours on site that were required.

I thought it was just poor management, which is why I went back to technical engineering, however, reading this board it might be a difference in viewpoints between different generations of management causing poor management.

I think it can vary and there likely isn't a 'one size fits all' model.

if folks feel appreciated, respected and are given autonomy, support, and a genuine feeling of a work/life balance that isn't just lip service, that's a pretty good start.

I really don't have much to add other than 5x8 hours is from Henry Ford. When that became the norm thanks to unions, there were articles that claimed a 5x5 work week would be there by 1950s. Unfortunately that didn't come to pass. And now some people are upset why nearly 100 year old tradition.

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Robert J Sakimano wrote:sign me up for not buying into the white male corporate power structure definition of "hard work" = "a good man, a hard-workin' American. They don't make them like that anymore".

Yeah, it's way better just to raise other peoples taxes so you can get more free stuff.

Motown Spartan wrote:
Let me amend...you were taken advantage of by your former employers and now you want those working to be taken advantage of by theirs.

You still aren't getting it.  I don't have any former employers.   I don't take advantage of my employees and I hardly think expecting people to produce value for their company is taking advantage of them.  

And I'm not asking for anything for free, hell, I'm not even asking for anything for me. I want more people to have better, more fulfilling lives because we will all be better off. And why the hell wouldn't I want others to have a better life?

You aren't asking for anything?   Wanting people to work less for the same or more money isn't asking for anything?   I guess this is the entitlement society leftists have built.

You’ve been asking them to work more for the same money for years you absolute fucking numbskull

RQA wrote:

Motown Spartan wrote:
Let me amend...you were taken advantage of by your former employers and now you want those working to be taken advantage of by theirs.

You still aren't getting it.  I don't have any former employers.   I don't take advantage of my employees and I hardly think expecting people to produce value for their company is taking advantage of them.  

And I'm not asking for anything for free, hell, I'm not even asking for anything for me. I want more people to have better, more fulfilling lives because we will all be better off. And why the hell wouldn't I want others to have a better life?

You aren't asking for anything?   Wanting people to work less for the same or more money isn't asking for anything?   I guess this is the entitlement society leftists have built.

So it’s even worse. It’s not that you don’t care about other people, you want to take advantage of them so that they’ll make you more money.

I always side with labor over management/capital. If that makes me a socialist, it makes me a proud one. The way it is is not necessarily the way it ought to be.

How the hell are we asking people to work less? 40 hours is 40 hours

3 twelves and a six are 3 1/2 days of more hours.

DWags wrote:How the hell are we asking people to work less? 40 hours is 40 hours

3 twelves and a six are 3 1/2 days of more hours.

We’re talking about 4 10’s and such I think because this is fucking America and let’s be real cutting hours is not going to happen. Our capitalist masters would never allow us such grace. We must remain loyal to rules that Henry ford set out 120 years ago just because.

But I think the original article was referring to changing nothing but cutting a day, working 32 hours.

Working more for the same is some sort of badge of honor for some.  The stupidity of it is really off the charts. It’s really an insecurity that some people have convinced themselves is a moral superiority over others. It’s actually kinda funny and sad at the same time.

kingstonlake wrote:Working more for the same is some sort of badge of honor for some.  The stupidity of it is really off the charts. It’s really an insecurity that some people have convinced themselves is a moral superiority over others. It’s actually kinda funny and sad at the same time.

When I was younger I thought that busting my ass and going above and beyond would would pay off in the long run. Working 60 hours a week to not get OT pay or comp time was going to get me a position higher up the ladder, blah, blah, blah…

One Thanksgiving weekend I took Friday off. The next week I got a call from our payroll lady telling me I had to either not get paid for the day off or take it as a vacation day so I brought it up with my boss. He told me that “if the mail gets delivered, we work, unless it’s Saturday” so I took it as a vacation day. Fast forward to MLKjr Day in January and I don’t go to work.  Boss spent all day trying to find me and when I finally took his call I told him that they don’t deliver the mail on MLKjr Day. Fortunately, I already had plans to leave that company.