Baltimore citizens are frustrated

kingstonlake wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:from what I can tell on the lower right-hand side of the picture, the young man is environmentally-aware enough to steal a low emission hybrid UPS truck... and he appears to be looking for on coming traffic.

you people focus only on the bad things..

And wearing their seat belt.

Rocinante wrote:The holier than thou white citizens brigade are mostly accounted for. Where's tito?

Dr. Strangelove wrote:Baltimore is Detroit with salt water

kingstonlake wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:we let them have a black president.. what more do they want?

(besides free stuff.. isn't Obama already giving them all the free stuff they want, already)?

Ya know, we gave em FREEdom a couple hundred years ago. What more do they want? Damn....

Heat Miser wrote:

kingstonlake wrote:

Ya know, we gave em FREEdom a couple hundred years ago. What more do they want? Damn....

Did you just round up to the nearest hundred or did you skip history class?

Giant Moose wrote:

Dr. Strangelove wrote:Baltimore is Detroit with salt water

Similar but Detroit had a period of being a world-class elite city, though, which Baltimore really didn't have.

Rioting aside, I also think the best parts of Baltimore are currently better than the best parts of Detroit, and the worst parts of Detroit are worse than the worst parts of Baltimore.

kingstonlake wrote:

Giant Moose wrote:
Similar but Detroit had a period of being a world-class elite city, though, which Baltimore really didn't have.

Rioting aside, I also think the best parts of Baltimore are currently better than the best parts of Detroit, and the worst parts of Detroit are worse than the worst parts of Baltimore.

Wasn't Baltimore know as a cesspool until they made a concerted effort to clean up the city? Which they effectively did. Weird who that obviously rubbed the wrong way .....

steveschneider wrote:Time to change a few things: change the training and use of force for police officers and make it easier to charge cops and prosecute them.

Do those two simple changes and no more riots.

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:

steveschneider wrote:Time to change a few things: change the training and use of force for police officers and make it easier to charge cops and prosecute them.

Do those two simple changes and no more riots.

That's it? You think this is JUST about police brutality?

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:

steveschneider wrote:Time to change a few things: change the training and use of force for police officers and make it easier to charge cops and prosecute them.

Do those two simple changes and no more riots.

That's it? You think this is JUST about police brutality?

Rocinante wrote:

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:

That's it? You think this is JUST about police brutality?

The riots themselves? Yes. The reasons that the black population is disaffected? No. Those are larger social issues not addressable on the city level.

steveschneider wrote:

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:

That's it? You think this is JUST about police brutality?

Harry Truman, Doris Day, Red China, Johnnie Ray
South Pacific, Walter Winchell, Joe DiMaggio
Joe McCarthy, Richard Nixon, Studebaker, Television
North Korea, South Korea, Marilyn Monroe

Rosenbergs, H-Bomb, Sugar Ray, Panmunjom
Brando, The King And I, and The Catcher In The Rye
Eisenhower, Vaccine, England's got a new queen
Marciano, Liberace, Santayana goodbye

We didn't start the fire...

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:

Rocinante wrote:

The riots themselves? Yes. The reasons that the black population is disaffected? No. Those are larger social issues not addressable on the city level.

Couldn't you consider the fact that part of the black population is disaffected a reason for the riots? Not really sure you can pin-point these riots on one thing.

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:

steveschneider wrote:

Harry Truman, Doris Day, Red China, Johnnie Ray
South Pacific, Walter Winchell, Joe DiMaggio
Joe McCarthy, Richard Nixon, Studebaker, Television
North Korea, South Korea, Marilyn Monroe

Rosenbergs, H-Bomb, Sugar Ray, Panmunjom
Brando, The King And I, and The Catcher In The Rye
Eisenhower, Vaccine, England's got a new queen
Marciano, Liberace, Santayana goodbye

We didn't start the fire...

You may need to educate me on this one.

Rocinante wrote:

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:

Couldn't you consider the fact that part of the black population is disaffected a reason for the riots? Not really sure you can pin-point these riots on one thing.

The reason the riots touched off was police brutality.  Without the police brutality, the riots don't happen.  I don't really understand your focus on larger social issues.  One step at a time, I say.

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:

You may need to educate me on this one.

My God you are so young. It's cute.

I'm not even that old compared to some of these geriatrics in this place, but even I got that one.

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
My God you are so young. It's cute.

I'm not even that old compared to some of these geriatrics in this place, but even I got that one.

I am, I am. That post is just a bunch of semi-controversial/pop culture shit it seems. But, I'm here, if anyone wants to explain it.

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:

Rocinante wrote:

The reason the riots touched off was police brutality.  Without the police brutality, the riots don't happen.  I don't really understand your focus on larger social issues.  One step at a time, I say.

Because nothing will change until the root of the problem is fixed. "Training police better" isn't going to fix the fact that parts of the black population are continuing to devalue their life, risking it while stealing basic items from gas stations. It's not going to fix the housing problems.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:this thread was more fun when we were making jokes..

CORNER BLITZ wrote:

steveschneider wrote:

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:

That's it? You think this is JUST about police brutality?

Harry Truman, Doris Day, Red China, Johnnie Ray
South Pacific, Walter Winchell, Joe DiMaggio
Joe McCarthy, Richard Nixon, Studebaker, Television
North Korea, South Korea, Marilyn Monroe

Rosenbergs, H-Bomb, Sugar Ray, Panmunjom
Brando, The King And I, and The Catcher In The Rye
Eisenhower, Vaccine, England's got a new queen
Marciano, Liberace, Santayana goodbye

We didn't start the fire...

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:this thread was more fun when we were making jokes..

CORNER BLITZ wrote:

Sorry, Bob.

This Uncle Tom looks like he can afford Jordan shoes and a nice Old Navy sweatshirt.. are we sure the system is failing these people? Shit, looks like he's even getting an education with that backpack on.

steveschneider wrote:Time to change a few things: change the training and use of force for police officers and make it easier to charge cops and prosecute them.

Do those two simple changes and no more riots.

LooseGoose wrote:

steveschneider wrote:Time to change a few things: change the training and use of force for police officers and make it easier to charge cops and prosecute them.

Do those two simple changes and no more riots.

Another simple change that would cure the itch to riot - machine gun the early rioters.

It would serve as a deterrent to anyone else contemplating joining them in the streets.

It won't happen since this country lost the spine for that long ago.

Rocinante wrote:
I appreciate your social awareness, but the first step is to allow citizens to feel as though they have ownership of their own communities and are not prisoners in them. That means a police force that is in place to protect and serve the community, not view the community as criminals that just haven't been caught yet. Do all cops feel this way, no of course not. But enough of the community feels as though they are prisoners in their own homes that it essentially is true. Better training police and also having police live in the communities where they serve is a big step.

LooseGoose wrote:

steveschneider wrote:Time to change a few things: change the training and use of force for police officers and make it easier to charge cops and prosecute them.

Do those two simple changes and no more riots.

Another simple change that would cure the itch to riot - machine gun the early rioters.

It would serve as a deterrent to anyone else contemplating joining them in the streets.

It won't happen since this country lost the spine for that long ago.

Rocinante wrote:

LooseGoose wrote:

Another simple change that would cure the itch to riot - machine gun the early rioters.

It would serve as a deterrent to anyone else contemplating joining them in the streets.

It won't happen since this country lost the spine for that long ago.

Trying a little too hard, but we appreciate your efforts.

steveschneider wrote:

LooseGoose wrote:

Another simple change that would cure the itch to riot - machine gun the early rioters.

It would serve as a deterrent to anyone else contemplating joining them in the streets.

It won't happen since this country lost the spine for that long ago.

Are your willing to give the authorities that kind of power? Not me.

LooseGoose wrote:

steveschneider wrote:

Are your willing to give the authorities that kind of power? Not me.

Give them that power? They already have that power.

Brett, speaking only for myself, I agree with your point that the principle of peaceful, non-violent protest and the observance of the rule of law is of utmost importance in any society. MLK, Gandhi, Mandela and all great opposition leaders throughout history have always preached this precept. Further, it is critical that in any democracy, investigation must be completed and due process must be honored before any government or police members are judged responsible.

That said, my greater source of personal concern, outrage and sympathy beyond this particular case is focused neither upon one night’s property damage nor upon the acts, but is focused rather upon the past four-decade period during which an American political elite have shipped middle class and working class jobs away from Baltimore and cities and towns around the U.S. to third-world dictatorships like China and others, plunged tens of millions of good, hard-working Americans into economic devastation, and then followed that action around the nation by diminishing every American’s civil rights protections in order to control an unfairly impoverished population living under an ever-declining standard of living and suffering at the butt end of an ever-more militarized and aggressive surveillance state.

The innocent working families of all backgrounds whose lives and dreams have been cut short by excessive violence, surveillance, and other abuses of the Bill of Rights by government pay the true price, and ultimate price, and one that far exceeds the importances of any kids’ game played tonight, or ever, at Camden Yards. We need to keep in mind people are suffering and dying around the U.S., and while we are thankful no one was injured at Camden Yards, there is a far bigger picture for poor Americans in Baltimore and everywhere who don’t have jobs and are losing economic civil and legal rights, and this makes inconvenience at a ballgame irrelevant in light of the needless suffering government is inflicting upon ordinary Americans.

steveschneider wrote:

LooseGoose wrote:

Give them that power? They already have that power.

Yeah, and it worked so well when they did it before.

steveschneider wrote:

LooseGoose wrote:

Give them that power? They already have that power.

Yeah, and it worked so well when they did it before.

steveschneider wrote:

LooseGoose wrote:

Give them that power? They already have that power.

Yeah, and it worked so well when they did it before.

LooseGoose wrote:

steveschneider wrote:

LooseGoose wrote:

Give them that power?  They already have that power.

Yeah, and it worked so well when they did it before.

I've missed the news accounts of day 2 or day 3 of the riots there.

LooseGoose wrote:

steveschneider wrote:Time to change a few things: change the training and use of force for police officers and make it easier to charge cops and prosecute them.

Do those two simple changes and no more riots.

Another simple change that would cure the itch to riot - machine gun the early rioters.

It would serve as a deterrent to anyone else contemplating joining them in the streets.

It won't happen since this country lost the spine for that long ago.