Baltimore citizens are frustrated

Heat Miser wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:I've said it before and I'll say it again, the biggest problem in America is the 24 hour news cycle.. they have to have something to fill 24 hours with..

and since they don't have "news".. they create "news" - and then talking heads with an agenda, a book to sell, a movie to pimp or a TV show to promote - all for profit - get to come on to divide America into stratified groups.

I was referring specifically to this thread and this board.

Heat Miser wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:I've said it before and I'll say it again, the biggest problem in America is the 24 hour news cycle.. they have to have something to fill 24 hours with..

and since they don't have "news".. they create "news" - and then talking heads with an agenda, a book to sell, a movie to pimp or a TV show to promote - all for profit - get to come on to divide America into stratified groups.

I was referring specifically to this thread and this board.

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:

Heat Miser wrote:

I was referring specifically to this thread and this board.

Oh, I'm sorry, I thought tSwill was in America.

Heat Miser wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:Heat Miser has this sort of way of trying to control the conversation.....

Well, if the conversation is not "controlled", it ends up in tSwill Bin where you all can talk politics as much as you like.

Rocinante wrote:My thought are that a thread has run its course when xsanguine starts hammering away at his libertarian ideals. Sorry x, heard it all before.

Rocinante wrote:What I mean Bob is that if we were to vote on such things (we can do that here) at this point since the story is in its later stages and no brand new developments are coming out, I would not be incensed if this thread was moved, as I would have been a week ago.

Heat Miser wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
I don't view it as "talking politics" as much as it's me pointing out things to other people.. they can then choose to believe it or not.

You're welcome to "point out" whatever you like. But as I've said before, phrases like "right wing nutjobs", or "tree hugging, bed wetting, Birkenstock wearing libs" will get a thread sent to tBin...where threads go to die. I assume you want to stimulate discussion rather than kill it, and thus assume you would endeavor to "color within the lines" so to speak.

It is possible to "point out", for example, that Michelle Bachman is a fucking idiot who should not be allowed to breed without bringing politics into it .An educated person like yourself should be able to pull that off fairly easily.

Heat Miser wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:you left out an "n" in her last name..

I don't care...after all, she is a fucking idiot.

Heat Miser wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:you just insulted every "fucking idiot" I know by aligning them with Michelle Bachmann.

I'm sure there are tons of fucking idiots who also think she's a fucking idiot. Let's not anoint her Lord of the Idiots because everyone knows that's George Costanza.

Heat Miser wrote:

being a fucking idiot didn't necessarily make her a republican.

Heat Miser wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:you're giving me way too much credit.

so "knuckle-draggin' racist" is a euphemism for someone whose political beliefs can be best described as different from mine? I can live with that.

Being a republican didn't make Michelle a fucking idiot

Rocinante wrote:My thought are that a thread has run its course when xsanguine starts hammering away at his libertarian ideals. Sorry x, heard it all before.

xsanguine wrote:And watch... everyone that can't let go of the narrative that their political "team" has adopted, that can't look at it with a completely open mind is going to focus on trying to discredit me rather than the data/statistics.

Heat Miser wrote:

Tim Wakefield wrote:

So fucking true. Every political discussion I've had lately is just regurgitated bullshit. No one has their own thoughts anymore and it pisses me off.

This discussion does not have to be political. Some people, however, just can't resist making it political, which of course ruins it, which is why places like tSwill Bin & Wells have to exist.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

tTito wrote:

....and the media.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, the biggest problem in America is the 24 hour news cycle.. they have to have something to fill 24 hours with..

and since they don't have "news".. they create "news" - and then talking heads with an agenda, a book to sell, a movie to pimp or a TV show to promote - all for profit - get to come on to divide America into stratified groups.

xsanguine wrote:

Rocinante wrote:My thought are that a thread has run its course when xsanguine starts hammering away at his libertarian ideals. Sorry x, heard it all before.

xsanguine wrote:And watch... everyone that can't let go of the narrative that their political "team" has adopted, that can't look at it with a completely open mind is going to focus on trying to discredit me rather than the data/statistics.

Where has "libertarian ideals" made an appearance in those posts?

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

xsanguine wrote:

Both the Michael Brown and Trayvon Martin situations were extensively investigated (more than normal) and that investigation was not just done by police departments.

They were found to be responsible for their own deaths.

They were part of the group that commits 7 times more violent crimes than their white counterparts. They were guilty of being shitty people and unfortunately ran into someone they couldn't bully like they're used to doing in their own neighborhoods.

The most dangerous individuals to black people are other black people.

The facts are the facts, Bob.

You know I'm a huge fan of you, Bob. But I can't let anyone, not even posters I'm very fond of, get away with rewriting history to fit a false narrative.

I'm going to wait until the investigation has been completed regarding Freddie Gray, but from the information that we have at this point I am leaning towards him being a victim of police brutality. Unfortunately for the George Soros funded #blacklivesmatter crowd, the false #HandsUpDon'tShoot crowd and the racist Baltimore rioters... it appears he's a victim of black police brutality because the individual who is being charged with the worst of allegations is black.

Michael Brown and Trayvon Martin are not the poster boys for racist police brutality that they were attempted to be portrayed as and continued to be portrayed as on popular media networks like MSNBC and CNN.

you're welcome to your opinion, dude.

oh, and I like you too..

The_Dude wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:you're welcome to your opinion, dude.

oh, and I like you too..

Actually it's not an opinion. There is no widespread police conspiracy against black people.

Instead of using facts to form your opinion, you listen to some black dude on CNN who says police are an occupational army in the hood.

Fact is the amount of blacks born out of wedlock and the amount of violent crimes committed by blacks are mind numbing.

Rocinante wrote:

xsanguine wrote:


Where has "libertarian ideals" made an appearance in those posts?

I don't want to discredit you. I've had the argument with many who hold opinions very similar to yours many times.  There are a lot of things we agree on.  There are some very fundamental things we don't.  It comes down to a basal philosophy that you and I will likely never share.  Every time there is a thread about social issues, it comes up, and your argument is the same and I haven't heard anything compelling enough to change my mind yet, and I doubt I will.  That's all.  I support your right to slather the internet with it.  100%

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

xsanguine wrote:

Both the Michael Brown and Trayvon Martin situations were extensively investigated (more than normal) and that investigation was not just done by police departments.

They were found to be responsible for their own deaths.

They were part of the group that commits 7 times more violent crimes than their white counterparts. They were guilty of being shitty people and unfortunately ran into someone they couldn't bully like they're used to doing in their own neighborhoods.

The most dangerous individuals to black people are other black people.

The facts are the facts, Bob.

You know I'm a huge fan of you, Bob. But I can't let anyone, not even posters I'm very fond of, get away with rewriting history to fit a false narrative.

I'm going to wait until the investigation has been completed regarding Freddie Gray, but from the information that we have at this point I am leaning towards him being a victim of police brutality. Unfortunately for the George Soros funded #blacklivesmatter crowd, the false #HandsUpDon'tShoot crowd and the racist Baltimore rioters... it appears he's a victim of black police brutality because the individual who is being charged with the worst of allegations is black.

Michael Brown and Trayvon Martin are not the poster boys for racist police brutality that they were attempted to be portrayed as and continued to be portrayed as on popular media networks like MSNBC and CNN.

you're welcome to your opinion, dude.

oh, and I like you too..  

Rocinante wrote:

"But this discussion doesn't have anything to do with my political, or rather 'apolitical', philosophy."

To say this is disingenuous. The implication that some underlying overmanipulation of the social structure is the root cause, or is the catalyst had everything to do with your apolitical philosophy. Dressing it up as a different argument every time doesn't change what it is.

xsanguine wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
you're welcome to your opinion, dude.

oh, and I like you too..  

mGo is right, Bob. I'm not really giving much of my opinion on the matter. Maybe there's a little of it sprinkled in there but it's mostly just me copy & pasting of numbers from the crime statistics.

I'm regurgitating the facts, the statistics, the data.

I was trying to get your reaction to those numbers that make up the facts that directly contradict the opinion you've promoted in this thread and others. I was trying to get the reaction of anyone that shares that same opinion that is directly contradicted by the data.

xsanguine wrote:

Rocinante wrote:

"But this discussion doesn't have anything to do with my political, or rather 'apolitical', philosophy."

To say this is disingenuous. The implication that some underlying overmanipulation of the social structure is the root cause, or is the catalyst had everything to do with your apolitical philosophy. Dressing it up as a different argument every time doesn't change what it is.

I've never tried to dress up my philosophy as something else in order to inject it into a discussion. I've never tried to sneak it into a discussion... I just come out and say it. This thread is 11 pages long... if I wanted to apply anarchism or minarchism or libertarianism or any other kind of ism to this topic don't you think think I'd have done it by now?

My prediction was correct. Instead of addressing those facts... you try to bring up my political philosophy when I haven't even come close to doing so.

Logical fallacy ad hominem is what that is called, I think.

Rocinante wrote:

xsanguine wrote:

I've never tried to dress up my philosophy as something else in order to inject it into a discussion. I've never tried to sneak it into a discussion... I just come out and say it. This thread is 11 pages long... if I wanted to apply anarchism or minarchism or libertarianism or any other kind of ism to this topic don't you think think I'd have done it by now?

My prediction was correct. Instead of addressing those facts... you try to bring up my political philosophy when I haven't even come close to doing so.

Logical fallacy ad hominem is what that is called, I think.

If this were a debate in a vacuum where you and I had never met (virtually) you'd be kind of right, but it would be a genetic fallacy, actually. However. I'm not even arguing your point, I'm pointing out that your argument is always the same. So we're not debating. So logical fallacies don't apply.

Prefacing an argument with something akin to "because they have no answer to my awesome argument, people will attack me" is a common political strategy, not a debate strategy.

CheesySpartan wrote:http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/baltimore-records-deadliest-month-in-more-than-40-years/ar-BBkubmc?ocid=ansBaltSunnews

deadliest months in 40 years...For the year 2015 in Baltimore there have been 116 homicides.  103 were black, 94 black males, 71 were black males between the age of 18-34, 6 were white, 1 Asian, 6 unknown.  

I'm not sure how many the cops unjustly murdered but I'll guess its somewhere around 1% of the total.  I hope we can fix these out of control racist cops because then there would only be like 100 black murders in Baltimore to date.

http://data.baltimoresun.com/bing-maps/homicides/index.php?range=90&district=all&zipcode=all&age=all&gender=all&race=black&cause=all&article=all&show_results=Show+results

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

Heat Miser wrote:

I was referring specifically to this thread and this board.

there's that too..

but the media sucks.

CheesySpartan wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
there's that too..

but the media sucks.

I find it ironic that a guy that says this also buys into the BS that the media has been promoting that cops are the problem

#bobsagenda

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

CheesySpartan wrote:

I find it ironic that a guy that says this also buys into the BS that the media has been promoting that cops are the problem

#bobsagenda

other than our society continuing to undermine the value of human life, our media and the pop culture-obsessed people that are beholden to them are the biggest threat to America.

CheesySpartan wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:other than our society continuing to undermine the value of human life, our media and the pop culture-obsessed people that are beholden to them are the biggest threat to America.

Words and news don't kill people, people kill people.  The criminal with a blatant disregard for human life and a gun are the problem in my opinion.