Re: tOfficial 2014 NFL Draft thread

[Zeno]

You guys could join the chat...

Can I do that on mobile?

[Fallenangle]

Is Dennard to Baltimore not the perfect pick especially given that JohnHaraugh is now an honorary Spartan?

[Jor El]

Dennard is getting absolutely screwed.

[SawGreen]

Doesnt it, also, basically mean that his chances of landing with a winner is increasing?

[Travis of the Cosmos]

Someone explain this?

The TE? Easy answer... The front office needs to make the playoffs this year, and one defensive player won't help. Having a ridiculously good offense might. 

For further reading, please see Smith, Josh. For even further reading please see Jennings, Brandon.

[WCS]

If Manziel is around in the 4th round, do the Lions pull the trigger?

[SawGreen]

The TE? Easy answer... The front office needs to make the playoffs this year, and one defensive player won't help. Having a ridiculously good offense might. 


For further reading, please see Smith, Josh. For even further reading please see Jennings, Brandon.

Making the playoffs, maybe. Advancing, not at all.

[Cosmo_Kramer]

Lions fucked up. A tight end with no blocking skills at #10? LOL

[Mentalstate]

Lions fucked up. A tight end with no blocking skills at #10? LOL

No blocking skills? According to whom? He played 50% of his snaps outside, blocked just fine the other 50, and broke Vernon Davis's TE record for yardage in his league.

[Rod Porkmore]

Johnny Football to Cleveland.

[Travis of the Cosmos]

Making the playoffs, maybe.  Advancing, not at all.

Yeah, but if you're in the front office and HAVE to make the playoffs this year, you do stupid things

[WCS]

San Diego will take Dennard...if a team trades up to #24, they will take Dennard.

My opinion...

[MJ]

San Diego will take Dennard...if a team trades up to #24, they will take Dennard.

My opinion...

Darqueze Dennard to the Bengals!

[Danny Tanner]

Darqueze Dennard to the Bengals!

Good get by them. Very underrated in this draft.

[The Pantry]

Congrats to Darqueze for slipping past those clever Lions   

[DWags]

I'm looking forward to the first time LeVeon Bell turns the corner and is met by Denard. That picture MUST be put up in the new recruiting room. Doesn't matter if you're an offensive player or defensive player or more important a two star, Dantonio can get you there.

[WCS]

I'm looking forward to the first time LeVeon Bell turns the corner and is met by Denard. That picture MUST be put up in the new recruiting room.  Doesn't matter if you're an offensive player or defensive player or more important a two star, Dantonio can get you there.

Unless Bell goes to hurdle Dennard and Bells' crotch ends up in Dennard's facemask...then, yeah, let's wait until the second time.

[DWags]

Unless Bell goes to hurdle Dennard and Bells' crotch ends up in Dennard's facemask...then, yeah, let's wait until the second time.

Good call.

[MJ]

Mel Kiper likes DD to Cincy

It's a link

[TrueGreenSpartan]

was perusing this guy's first round analysis on bleacher report (I know it's not good reporting I was just reading from a link on CNN to see what he thought).  Got to Dennard and the guy gives the pick a C I was like WTF and as I'm reading the guy's analysis I'm thinking this guy sounds like a Walvie or something.  Click on his profile, BINGO   

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2055663-2014-nfl-draft-grades-full-round-1-report-card/page/25
http://bleacherreport.com/users/111184-michael-schottey

[Ass Dan]

was perusing this guy's first round analysis on bleacher report (I know it's not good reporting I was just reading from a link on CNN to see what he thought).  Got to Dennard and the guy gives the pick a C I was like WTF and as I'm reading the guy's analysis I'm thinking this guy sounds like a Walvie or something.  Click on his profile, BINGO   

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2055663-2014-nfl-draft-grades-full-round-1-report-card/page/25
http://bleacherreport.com/users/111184-michael-schottey

Gave the Shazier pick a C+ too, while Ebron warrants an A.

Bleacher Report sucks donkey balls.

[LoneWolfSparty]

Gave the Lewan pick a B-. probably just to seem objective. Of course he goes on to claim that Lewan is better than Oher. Like anyone can know that yet.

[TrueGreenSpartan]

I just loved how I'm reading it and thinking this sounds like a butthurt SCum fan, oh look I'm spot on

[TrueGreenSpartan]

Gave the Lewan pick a B-. probably just to seem objective. Of course he goes on to claim that Lewan is better than Oher. Like anyone can know that yet.

The only reason he gave the lower grade was because of "possible character flaws"

[Ass Dan]

I just loved how I'm reading it and thinking this sounds like a butthurt SCum fan, oh look I'm spot on

"BAD DAWG posted 12 days agoBAD DAWG
i like the way you photo shopped that big mac out of your picture and replaced it with a football ... because after reading your 2014 nfl predictions there can be no way you have ever possibly picked one up in real life ..."

awesome

[Cosmo_Kramer]

No blocking skills? According to whom? He played 50% of his snaps outside, blocked just fine the other 50, and broke Vernon Davis's TE record for yardage in his league.

Either way, wasn't a need. We needed a DB, to start. Why even resign Pettigrew then? Waste of cash on a loser player. And what about Fauria? Weak shit...

[MJ]

Either way, wasn't a need. We needed a DB, to start. Why even resign Pettigrew then? Waste of cash on a loser player. And what about Fauria? Weak shit...

Correct, read one of those "sources" on twitter saying the Lions want to trade up in the 2nd round for Vanderbilt WR Jordan Matthews. If that happens, the Lions have absolutely no sense of football. The first mistake would have been not cleaning house when they fired Millen, Mayhew is becoming Mayhew 2.0. Great the team might score 35-40 points, but when you are giving up 45+ a game you are still going to finish 4-12........AGAIN.

[NigelUno]

The only reason he gave the lower grade was because of "possible character flaws"

Possible?

[I Still Hate Weber State]

Let me know when they find him

Exactly. People acting like this guy could be Jimmy Graham are delusional. Let's first look at measurables:

Graham: 6'6" 260lbs. 35" arms and 10 5/8" hands. 4.56 40 and 38.5" vertical
Ebron: 6'4" 250lbs. 33 1/4" arms and 10" hands. 4.60 40 and 32" vertical

While Ebron's college stats are obviously much better, he wasn't a significant red zone threat. Graham had more TDs in his one season (after not playing football for years) than Ebron had in any of his 3.

So, to summarize, Ebron is smaller (in every respect), slower, can't jump very high, and has never shown significant red zone skills. Doesn't sound like a Jimmy Graham type in any way.

[Cosmo_Kramer]

Exactly. People acting like this guy could be Jimmy Graham are delusional. Let's first look at measurables:

Graham: 6'6" 260lbs. 35" arms and 10 5/8" hands. 4.56 40 and 38.5" vertical
Ebron: 6'4" 250lbs. 33 1/4" arms and 10" hands. 4.60 40 and 32" vertical

While Ebron's college stats are obviously much better, he wasn't a significant red zone threat. Graham had more TDs in his one season (after not playing football for years) than Ebron had in any of his 3.

So, to summarize, Ebron is smaller (in every respect), slower, can't jump very high, and has never shown significant red zone skills. Doesn't sound like a Jimmy Graham type in any way.

It worries me that Ebron said he will be better than Jimmy Graham, without ever playing a goddamn snap. This guy is full of hubris and his overblown ego is already annoying.

[NigelUno]

Exactly. People acting like this guy could be Jimmy Graham are delusional. Let's first look at measurables:

Graham: 6'6" 260lbs. 35" arms and 10 5/8" hands. 4.56 40 and 38.5" vertical
Ebron: 6'4" 250lbs. 33 1/4" arms and 10" hands. 4.60 40 and 32" vertical

While Ebron's college stats are obviously much better, he wasn't a significant red zone threat. Graham had more TDs in his one season (after not playing football for years) than Ebron had in any of his 3.

So, to summarize, Ebron is smaller (in every respect), slower, can't jump very high, and has never shown significant red zone skills. Doesn't sound like a Jimmy Graham type in any way.

Linky - Sports Science on Ebron

[Other Teams Pursuing That]

was perusing this guy's first round analysis on bleacher report (I know it's not good reporting I was just reading from a link on CNN to see what he thought).  Got to Dennard and the guy gives the pick a C I was like WTF and as I'm reading the guy's analysis I'm thinking this guy sounds like a Walvie or something.  Click on his profile, BINGO   

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2055663-2014-nfl-draft-grades-full-round-1-report-card/page/25
http://bleacherreport.com/users/111184-michael-schottey

"All-Time Sports Moment - Michigan winning the NIT, Pistons winning the championship"

  

[tTito]

BAD DAWG posted 12 days ago

i like the way you photo shopped that big mac out of your picture and replaced it with a football ... because after reading your 2014 nfl predictions there can be no way you have ever possibly picked one up in real life ...

[Izzo Court]

Anyone who would "love" to see Suh traded simply does not understand football and has an anterior motive. .

For all intensive purposes, Suh has tried to extract revenge, but the NFL hasn't given him any leadway. Irregardless, he was conversating with his new coach and he doesn't expect to get off scotch free unless he makes a 360 degree change in how he plays.

[Mentalstate]

Either way, wasn't a need. We needed a DB, to start. Why even resign Pettigrew then? Waste of cash on a loser player. And what about Fauria? Weak shit...

Wasn't a need? Really? Let's see...

Resigning Pettigrew. Great move. Now, how many TEs did Det rotate last year? 3. Do you remember healthy Tony Sheffler? Do you remember the first 6 games or so when he was healthy, and played at the same time as Pettigrew? All the mismatches he had downfield, and how easily Det moved the ball, and how much confidence they played with on both sides of the ball? Do you remember the role of Fauria last year? Red Zone. Not anywhere near as successful outside of it. Do you remember how Det played in the first 6 games, with a healthy Sheffler?

Now...Det has Mathis, Houston, Slay who they are very high on still, as well as Bentley who played well when healthy and Greenwood. This is a far better d backfield than 4 years ago, when they left everyone wide open. They signed the Balt Safety who will make a big difference in the run game.

[Mentalstate]

Linky - Sports Science on Ebron

So what you're saying is...all the experts compare him to Vernon Davis & Graham because they know he's a better athlete (as proven in your link) than both who also performed at a higher level in college than both?

[Cosmo_Kramer]

Wasn't a need? Really? Let's see...

Resigning Pettigrew. Great move. Now, how many TEs did Det rotate last year? 3. Do you remember healthy Tony Sheffler? Do you remember the first 6 games or so when he was healthy, and played at the same time as Pettigrew? All the mismatches he had downfield, and how easily Det moved the ball, and how much confidence they played with on both sides of the ball? Do you remember the role of Fauria last year? Red Zone. Not anywhere near as successful outside of it. Do you remember how Det played in the first 6 games, with a healthy Sheffler?

Now...Det has Mathis, Houston, Slay who they are very high on still, as well as Bentley who played well when healthy and Greenwood. This is a far better d backfield than 4 years ago, when they left everyone wide open. They signed the Balt Safety who will make a big difference in the run game.

You must not follow that closely if you mentioned Houston. He is hurt (bad toe I hear) and the Lions themselves have questioned whether he will return to form in 2014 -- and that's a big blow. That's one DB down. You are going to put trust in Slay, or even Bentley for that matter? Yes, Idegbo was a good sign but he and Glover Quinn need help. A secondary is more than two guys. I know there weren't any world beaters at #10, no Patrick Petersons, but c'mon ...make an attempt to be better on the side of the ball that you sucked. It's common sense. Maybe it would be a little reach, but nobody would care if the guy -- be it Dennard or Clinton Dix or Gilbert -- produced right away. Yeah, the Lions will score 30 and other teams will score 37.

[I Still Hate Weber State]

Linky - Sports Science on Ebron

So they measured his vertical as being 5" better than what he did at the combine and chose not to redo at his Pro Day? Doubt that's accurate. Half the stuff they said in the video was idiotic. "He would push JJ Watt 2 feet." Yeah because JJ Watt is suspended in the air, motionless at the snap of the ball. "His hands are 30% larger than the average male." Umm, OK. How about compared to other NFL TEs?

The guy is known for being as arrogant as they come, doesn't have much in line blocking experience, and has a propensity to drop passes. The apt comparison is Kellen Winslow Jr., not Jimmy Graham or Rob Gronkowski. Does anyone think Kellen Winslow Jr. was worth a top 10 pick now?

[I Still Hate Weber State]

So what you're saying is...all the experts compare him to Vernon Davis & Graham because they know he's a better athlete (as proven in your link) than both who also performed at a higher level in college than both?

Now he's a better athlete than both? Wow. Talk about Kool Aid.

[Macks]

You must not follow that closely if you mentioned Houston. He is hurt (bad toe I hear) and the Lions themselves have questioned whether he will return to form in 2014 -- and that's a big blow. That's one DB down. You are going to put trust in Slay, or even Bentley for that matter? Yes, Idegbo was a good sign but he and Glover Quinn need help. A secondary is more than two guys. I know there weren't any world beaters at #10, no Patrick Petersons, but c'mon ...make an attempt to be better on the side of the ball that you sucked. It's common sense. Maybe it would be a little reach, but nobody would care if the guy -- be it Dennard or Clinton Dix or Gilbert -- produced right away. Yeah, the Lions will score 30 and other teams will score 37.

The Lions problems with DBs is coaching. Throwing more 1st round picks at the problem won't fix it. Teryl Austin needs to fix the DB problem through good coaching. Plus, there's more than one round to the draft FYI. People complain about spending a pick on a 3rd TE (who is basically a WR) but you don't have a problem spending it on a 3rd safety? I'd imagine they'll spend one of the 5 picks they have from rounds 2 to 4 on some DBs, ones that Austin thinks he can mold into contributors.

Taking off the green-colored googles, I don't think any DB (Dennard included) was worth it at #10. I didn't like the Ebron pick at the time but as the next 5-10 teams picked there wasn't a single player that jumped out at me as "DAMN we should have picked him".

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