Multiple deaths in Kalamazoo from random shootings

xsanguine wrote:Precisely why I should be mocked.

LooseGoose wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:and "freedom" doesn't apply to religion. Not in my America.

I join with millions of Americans in wishing you were willing to actually do something to improve this deeply flawed country rather than just whine about it all day on an obscure internet message board.

You spend sort of a lot of time on that obscure message board... We all do. We could all be planting trees or some shit instead. Glass houses brah.

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

LooseGoose wrote:

I join with millions of Americans in wishing you were willing to actually do something to improve this deeply flawed country rather than just whine about it all day on an obscure internet message board.

You spend sort of a lot of time on that obscure message board... We all do. We could all be planting trees or some shit instead. Glass houses brah.

meh.. he's old and seems lonely and angry. I just let him vent.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

You spend sort of a lot of time on that obscure message board... We all do. We could all be planting trees or some shit instead. Glass houses brah.

meh.. he's old and seems lonely and angry. I just let him vent.

If I told you I was lonely and horny would you give me what I need?

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

LooseGoose wrote:

I join with millions of Americans in wishing you were willing to actually do something to improve this deeply flawed country rather than just whine about it all day on an obscure internet message board.

You spend sort of a lot of time on that obscure message board... We all do. We could all be planting trees or some shit instead. Glass houses brah.

though it is comical that he has more posts than I do.. ya know - me. The guy who whines all day on an obscure internet message board.

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

LooseGoose wrote:

I join with millions of Americans in wishing you were willing to actually do something to improve this deeply flawed country rather than just whine about it all day on an obscure internet message board.

You spend sort of a lot of time on that obscure message board... We all do. We could all be planting trees or some shit instead. Glass houses brah.

If you were planting trees right now, Travis, what kind of trees would you be planting?

Me, you ask? I'd plant a couple of apple trees, honey crisp and Granny Smith are my favs. I'd also plant a peach tree, Anjou pear tree, black cherry tree, apricot tree and possibly a brown fig tree if I had a protect enough spot. Space permitting, I'd also plant a black walnut tree and a hazelnut tree.

xsanguine wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

You spend sort of a lot of time on that obscure message board... We all do. We could all be planting trees or some shit instead. Glass houses brah.

If you were planting trees right now, Travis, what kind of trees would you be planting?

Me, you ask? I'd plant a couple of apple trees, honey crisp and Granny Smith are my favs. I'd also plant a peach tree, Anjou pear tree, black cherry tree, apricot tree and possibly a brown fig tree if I had a protect enough spot. Space permitting, I'd also plant a black walnut tree and a hazelnut tree.

You know, I hadn't thought about it xsang.

The first thing that comes to mind though is that we had fig trees when I was growing up. So I would plant fig trees. We had to bury them every winter. That kept them alive.

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

xsanguine wrote:

If you were planting trees right now, Travis, what kind of trees would you be planting?

Me, you ask? I'd plant a couple of apple trees, honey crisp and Granny Smith are my favs. I'd also plant a peach tree, Anjou pear tree, black cherry tree, apricot tree and possibly a brown fig tree if I had a protect enough spot. Space permitting, I'd also plant a black walnut tree and a hazelnut tree.

You know, I hadn't thought about it xsang.

The first thing that comes to mind though is that we had fig trees when I was growing up. So I would plant fig trees. We had to bury them every winter. That kept them alive.

You have to bury trees? How do you do that?

I had a fig tree in my backyard in Brooklyn and I can't imagine how you would bury something like that.

xsanguine wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

You know, I hadn't thought about it xsang.

The first thing that comes to mind though is that we had fig trees when I was growing up. So I would plant fig trees. We had to bury them every winter. That kept them alive.

You have to bury trees? How do you do that?

I had a fig tree in my backyard in Brooklyn and I can't imagine how you would bury something like that.

I wasn't really in charge of the operation since I was a kid, but from memory we dug a hole next to the tree and sort of carefully pushed it down into it as not to mess with the roots too bad. It wasn't very deep, there was a large bump in the ground where the tree was and we always had figs. That's the extent of what I remember.

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

xsanguine wrote:

You have to bury trees? How do you do that?

I had a fig tree in my backyard in Brooklyn and I can't imagine how you would bury something like that.

I wasn't really in charge of the operation since I was a kid, but from memory we dug a hole next to the tree and sort of carefully pushed it down into it as not to mess with the roots too bad. It wasn't very deep, there was a large bump in the ground where the tree was and we always had figs. That's the extent of what I remember.

This is fascinating.

I have this wild pipe dream to build my own polycarbonate greenhouse (when I get the land) and use geothermal heating to keep it between 45-75 all year and was gonna throw a fig tree in there but if I just gotta bury it... Fuck building shit.

The_Dude wrote:

Rocinante wrote:

Veterans with certain manifestations of PTSD already have this restriction. It's rather likely that it's prevented thousands of gun deaths. I guess that didn't matter to you at all. That's cool. I tend to vote on the side of taking things like murder and suicide prevention seriously. Just because you yell the loudest and say the most crude things, that doesn't make you right.

That's different. When a doctor sees that you are a threat to harm yourself or others, they have a duty to report it.

How is that any different than what I'm talking about?

xsanguine wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

I wasn't really in charge of the operation since I was a kid, but from memory we dug a hole next to the tree and sort of carefully pushed it down into it as not to mess with the roots too bad. It wasn't very deep, there was a large bump in the ground where the tree was and we always had figs. That's the extent of what I remember.

This is fascinating.

I have this wild pipe dream to build my own polycarbonate greenhouse (when I get the land) and use geothermal heating to keep it between 45-75 all year and was gonna throw a fig tree in there but if I just gotta bury it... Fuck building shit.

Ill ask my dad about it later if I remember. He was the guy in charge. It might be a little bit before I remember an Internet conversation while interacting in real life with people though, so give me some time.

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

xsanguine wrote:

This is fascinating.

I have this wild pipe dream to build my own polycarbonate greenhouse (when I get the land) and use geothermal heating to keep it between 45-75 all year and was gonna throw a fig tree in there but if I just gotta bury it... Fuck building shit.

Ill ask my dad about it later if I remember. He was the guy in charge. It might be a little bit before I remember an Internet conversation while interacting in real life with people though, so give me some time.

No worries. I will be waiting patiently right here.

can we ban white people?

they seem to cause much more problems than the brown/black people republicans are so concerned with..

Robert J Sakimano wrote:can we ban white people?

they seem to cause much more problems than the brown/black people republicans are so concerned with..

I'm not so sure that's entirely accurate, Bob.

Statistically speaking, at least...

Don't get me wrong, they annoy me with their hoytey toytey act and that fucking laugh.... Jesus I want to smack white people when they laugh. But physically or being criminally dangerous there a few notches down on the totem pole.

xsanguine wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:can we ban white people?

they seem to cause much more problems than the brown/black people republicans are so concerned with..

I'm not so sure that's entirely accurate, Bob.

Statistically speaking, at least...

I believe we've had one mass shooting involving a scary brown person that sent everyone into a tizzy.

all the other mass shootings seem to be white people.. of course, nothing can be done about these mass shootings because freedom.

Their, also.... Tablet auto correct.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

xsanguine wrote:

I'm not so sure that's entirely accurate, Bob.

Statistically speaking, at least...

I believe we've had one mass shooting involving a scary brown person that sent everyone into a tizzy.

all the other mass shootings seem to be white people.. of course, nothing can be done about these mass shootings because freedom.

Right, I get that. But if you look at the statistics 50% of all murders are committed by about 12% of the population. I don't want to fill you in on who makes up that 12% of the population but whites are sitting somewhere in the 60 percentile.

xsanguine wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:I believe we've had one mass shooting involving a scary brown person that sent everyone into a tizzy.

all the other mass shootings seem to be white people.. of course, nothing can be done about these mass shootings because freedom.

Right, I get that. But if you look at the statistics 50% of all murders are committed by about 12% of the population. I don't want to fill you in on who makes up that 12% of the population but whites are sitting somewhere in the 60 percentile.

but it's white people that give them all the guns.. politicians, NRA, etc.. while defunding schools - I guess they're hoping that the black/brown people will all kill each other.

It's a plausible theory but if that was their intent they've unfortunately caused an issue where during interracial crimes whites are targeted by blacks many times more than whites have targeted blacks. That seems like a very unintended consquence if their aim was to have the blacks kill themselves. Granted... 94%+ of blacks are killed by other blacks. That's the true gun problem we have but it's difficult to address because we don't seem capable of discussing things honestly. But because of that stat, maybe you're right... Certainly the drug war was enacted specifically to target minorities.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

xsanguine wrote:

Right, I get that. But if you look at the statistics 50% of all murders are committed by about 12% of the population. I don't want to fill you in on who makes up that 12% of the population but whites are sitting somewhere in the 60 percentile.

but it's white people that give them all the guns.. politicians, NRA, etc.. while defunding schools - I guess they're hoping that the black/brown people will all kill each other.

Don't we spend more on education per pupil than any other country in the world?

Not sure saying we don't fund education is a winning battle.

Our government has a massive spending problem...not a revenue one.

Reminds me of someone who makes 300k a year but bitches about not having enough money...no, you just waste it.

xsanguine wrote:It's a plausible theory but if that was their intent they've unfortunately caused an issue where during interracial crimes whites are targeted by blacks many times more than whites have targeted blacks. That seems like a very unintended consquence if their aim was to have the blacks kill themselves. Granted... 94%+ of blacks are killed by other blacks. That's the true gun problem we have but it's difficult to address because we don't seem capable of discussing things honestly. But because of that stat, maybe you're right... Certainly the drug war was enacted specifically to target minorities.

Well the left doesn't allow honest discussions, you are either shouted down or smeared as a bigot/racist. Just look at college campuses and how lefty groups won't even allow free speech for someone they disagree with.

Saying that we need to fix black family structure and culture that has rotted their community is the correct route but its easier for Dem politician to blame police so they can get votes.

xsanguine wrote:It's a plausible theory but if that was their intent they've unfortunately caused an issue where during interracial crimes whites are targeted by blacks many times more than whites have targeted blacks. That seems like a very unintended consquence if their aim was to have the blacks kill themselves. Granted... 94%+ of blacks are killed by other blacks. That's the true gun problem we have but it's difficult to address because we don't seem capable of discussing things honestly. But because of that stat, maybe you're right... Certainly the drug war was enacted specifically to target minorities.

we need to do something to keep black people from voting. I mean, we've gerrymandered the heck out of districts but black folks still find their ways to the polls.

think voter ID laws will work?

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

xsanguine wrote:It's a plausible theory but if that was their intent they've unfortunately caused an issue where during interracial crimes whites are targeted by blacks many times more than whites have targeted blacks. That seems like a very unintended consquence if their aim was to have the blacks kill themselves. Granted... 94%+ of blacks are killed by other blacks. That's the true gun problem we have but it's difficult to address because we don't seem capable of discussing things honestly. But because of that stat, maybe you're right... Certainly the drug war was enacted specifically to target minorities.

we need to do something to keep black people from voting. I mean, we've gerrymandered the heck out of districts but black folks still find their ways to the polls.

think voter ID laws will work?

Maybe. I dont think anyone no matter what skin color should be allowed to vote without ID. Yeah...ill just take your word for being who you say you are.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

xsanguine wrote:It's a plausible theory but if that was their intent they've unfortunately caused an issue where during interracial crimes whites are targeted by blacks many times more than whites have targeted blacks. That seems like a very unintended consquence if their aim was to have the blacks kill themselves. Granted... 94%+ of blacks are killed by other blacks. That's the true gun problem we have but it's difficult to address because we don't seem capable of discussing things honestly. But because of that stat, maybe you're right... Certainly the drug war was enacted specifically to target minorities.

we need to do something to keep black people from voting. I mean, we've gerrymandered the heck out of districts but black folks still find their ways to the polls.

think voter ID laws will work?

I have a feeling we're seeing the twilight of the gerrymandering era. Obama's nominee (or if it gets pushed over to Hillary) will give the court the majority they need to reduce gerrymandered districts.

If you thought being limited to 2 parties was bad... Wait until we have a 1 party system. I have a feeling it doesn't bother those who agree with the singular party, though.

xsanguine wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:we need to do something to keep black people from voting. I mean, we've gerrymandered the heck out of districts but black folks still find their ways to the polls.

think voter ID laws will work?

I have a feeling we're seeing the twilight of the gerrymandering era. Obama's nominee (or if it gets pushed over to Hillary) will give the court the majority they need to reduce gerrymandered districts.

If you thought being limited to 2 parties was bad... Wait until we have a 1 party system. I have a feeling it doesn't bother those who agree with the singular party, though.

there is very little difference in the 2 parties.. we practically have one party now - the United States of Corporate America.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

xsanguine wrote:

I have a feeling we're seeing the twilight of the gerrymandering era. Obama's nominee (or if it gets pushed over to Hillary) will give the court the majority they need to reduce gerrymandered districts.

If you thought being limited to 2 parties was bad... Wait until we have a 1 party system. I have a feeling it doesn't bother those who agree with the singular party, though.

there is very little difference in the 2 parties.. we practically have one party now - the United States of Corporate America.

I stand corrected. You are 100% correct, Bob.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

xsanguine wrote:

I have a feeling we're seeing the twilight of the gerrymandering era. Obama's nominee (or if it gets pushed over to Hillary) will give the court the majority they need to reduce gerrymandered districts.

If you thought being limited to 2 parties was bad... Wait until we have a 1 party system. I have a feeling it doesn't bother those who agree with the singular party, though.

there is very little difference in the 2 parties.. we practically have one party now - the United States of Corporate America.

That's why Trump will win...only candidate thats not owned by Corporate America and won't get bullied by them.

xsanguine wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:there is very little difference in the 2 parties.. we practically have one party now - the United States of Corporate America.

I stand corrected. You are 100% correct, Bob.

Hey buddy, I was curious so i started poking around the google. There's lots of info out there about burying fig trees. Check it out. Probably would be better than me asking my dad that hasn't done it in 15 years. But, if you have any questions after taking a look at that, I could go to him with those.

xsanguine wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:can we ban white people?

they seem to cause much more problems than the brown/black people republicans are so concerned with..

I'm not so sure that's entirely accurate, Bob.

Statistically speaking, at least...

It's not even remotely accurate. Blacks statistically commit violent crimes at a higher rate than whites.

xsanguine wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:there is very little difference in the 2 parties.. we practically have one party now - the United States of Corporate America.

I stand corrected. You are 100% correct, Bob.

we're great Americans and I'm not sure you could find better Spartans than us.

Bob, I have to qualify that statement. You're completely right although social issues (things like gun control, etc) are going to go left without any opposition. Typically when there is no opposition things get a little overboard.

You can see the type of things you're looking forward to coming out of the mouths of college aged voters and millenials.

The 1st amendment's days are certainly numbered.... 2nd amendment is holding on, but for how long?

kingstonlake wrote:

xsanguine wrote:

I'm not so sure that's entirely accurate, Bob.

Statistically speaking, at least...

It's not even remotely accurate. Blacks statistically commit violent crimes at a higher rate than whites.

It's the most tragic untold story in media today.

There's just no policy that is beneficial for either side to tackle with regards to it so they go after easy targets.

xsanguine wrote:Bob, I have to qualify that statement. You're completely right although social issues (things like gun control, etc) are going to go left without any opposition. Typically when there is no opposition things get a little overboard.

You can see the type of things you're looking forward to coming out of the mouths of college aged voters and millenials.

The 1st amendment's days are certainly numbered.....2nd amendment is holding on, but for how long?

hopefully for not much longer.

though the money the NRA has combined with the fear and paranoia they instill in their followers, I'm sure it's not going anywhere any time soon. Like I've said, when the NRA and Washington decided that murdering twenty 6 and 7 year olds is acceptable, there isn't a lot left to be said.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

xsanguine wrote:Bob, I have to qualify that statement. You're completely right although social issues (things like gun control, etc) are going to go left without any opposition. Typically when there is no opposition things get a little overboard.

You can see the type of things you're looking forward to coming out of the mouths of college aged voters and millenials.

The 1st amendment's days are certainly numbered.....2nd amendment is holding on, but for how long?

hopefully for not much longer.

though the money the NRA has combined with the fear and paranoia they instill in their followers, I'm sure it's not going anywhere any time soon. Like I've said, when the NRA and Washington decided that murdering twenty 6 and 7 year olds is acceptable, there isn't a lot left to be said.

They''re not going after murderers, Bob. They're going after everyone.

xsanguine wrote:

kingstonlake wrote:

It's not even remotely accurate. Blacks statistically commit violent crimes at a higher rate than whites.

It's the most tragic untold story in media today.

There's just no policy that is beneficial for either side to tackle with regards to it so they go after easy targets.

black people don't have high paid lobbyists like gun owner do... that's the reason it's untold. No money to be made.

xsanguine wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
hopefully for not much longer.

though the money the NRA has combined with the fear and paranoia they instill in their followers, I'm sure it's not going anywhere any time soon. Like I've said, when the NRA and Washington decided that murdering twenty 6 and 7 year olds is acceptable, there isn't a lot left to be said.

They''re not going after murderers, Bob. They're going after everyone.

they're not coming after me.. not that I know of, anyway.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

xsanguine wrote:

Right, I get that. But if you look at the statistics 50% of all murders are committed by about 12% of the population. I don't want to fill you in on who makes up that 12% of the population but whites are sitting somewhere in the 60 percentile.

but it's white people that give them all the guns.. politicians, NRA, etc.. while defunding schools - I guess they're hoping that the black/brown people will all kill each other.

Man, Bob has all the liberal talking points down...well done Robert!

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

xsanguine wrote:

It's the most tragic untold story in media today.

There's just no policy that is beneficial for either side to tackle with regards to it so they go after easy targets.

black people don't have high paid lobbyists like gun owner do... that's the reason it's untold. No money to be made.

Sure they do. That's why we've had this media blitz regarding BlackLivesMatter and the very rare occurrence a white person is involved in a black person's death it's all over the news. We don't get national news when a black person robs or murders a white person... No one cares yet it's more common.