Re: Multiple deaths in Kalamazoo from random shootings

by CheesySpartan Sun Feb 21, 2016 2:20 pm

tGreenWay wrote:
xsanguine wrote:

Did they give out his bench number or something? I feel like this is a challenge.

Yeah, I know. I'd usually do what you just did, but I wasn't up to it last night, any more than I was this morning when someone reported the 14 year old girl as alive but gravely ill, as if being shot made her sick. What is it, lead poisoning?

What's lead poisoning? signed Flint city gov't

by tanfan! Sun Feb 21, 2016 2:30 pm

So far ripping on bob and he hasn't said a word

by **tGreenWay** Sun Feb 21, 2016 2:33 pm

Tanfan! wrote:So far ripping on bob and he hasn't said a word

Bob and I are neighbors. I've given him sanctuary, but no internet access until tomorrow.

by **Turtleneck** Sun Feb 21, 2016 2:36 pm

tGreenWay wrote:
Tanfan! wrote:So far ripping on bob and he hasn't said a word

Bob and I are neighbors. I've given him sanctuary, but no internet access until tomorrow.

So maybe you can tell him to stop using his front lawn as a depository for old cars and auto parts. Thanks.

by **Rocinante** Sun Feb 21, 2016 2:53 pm

Thoughts and prayers to the victims and their families.

by **tGreenWay** Sun Feb 21, 2016 2:59 pm

Turtleneck wrote:
tGreenWay wrote:

Bob and I are neighbors. I've given him sanctuary, but no internet access until tomorrow.

So maybe you can tell him to stop using his front lawn as a depository for old cars and auto parts. Thanks.

I've given up asking. At least he's letting his grass grow. I figure in another couple of years we won't be able to see the Buick.

by **Turtleneck** Sun Feb 21, 2016 3:02 pm

I was fine with it until he wouldn't let me pick though the junk when I needed a new starter. He said it was an art project and could not be disturbed. So screw him.

by **tGreenWay** Sun Feb 21, 2016 3:07 pm

Turtleneck wrote:I was fine with it until he wouldn't let me pick though the junk when I needed a new starter. He said it was an art project and could not be disturbed. So screw him.

Most of those parts are too rusty to use, anyway. You'd have shrapnel flying all over the place.

by **xsanguine** Sun Feb 21, 2016 5:01 pm

tGreenWay wrote:
xsanguine wrote:

Did they give out his bench number or something? I feel like this is a challenge.

Yeah, I know. I'd usually do what you just did, but I wasn't up to it last night, any more than I was this morning when someone reported the 14 year old girl as alive but gravely ill, as if being shot made her sick. What is it, lead poisoning?

I have heard the cartels rub their bullets in feces....

Maybe we should be looking into this guy's cartel connections.

by **CORNER BLITZ** Sun Feb 21, 2016 5:09 pm

This thread is going to make bob so happy. Some psycho killed people with a gun and the entire thread is about him, two things he loves the most.

by **SpartanInNH** Sun Feb 21, 2016 5:27 pm

Hitting a little close to home. Of the 4 women killed at the Cracker Barrel, 3 were from Battle Creek (my home town), and possibly the 14-year-old:

Gunman kills 6 at apartment complex, dealership, restaurant

A man who knows Dalton said he was a married father of two who never showed any signs of violence.

Gary Pardo Jr., whose parents live across the street from Dalton in Kalamazoo Township, described him as a family man who seemed fixated on cars and often worked on them.

"He would go a month without mowing his lawn but was very meticulous with his cars," Pardo said, explaining that Dalton, at times, owned a Chevrolet Camaro and two Hummer SUVs.

Progressive Insurance confirmed that he once worked for the company before leaving in 2011.

Dalton was an insurance adjuster who did auto body estimates and once taught an auto-body repair class at an area community college, said James Block, who has lived next door to him for 17 years.

...

The four people killed outside the restaurant were identified as 62-year-old Mary Lou Nye of Baroda and 60-year-old Mary Jo Nye, 68-year-old Barbara Hawthorne and 74-year-old Dorothy Brown, all of Battle Creek.

by Guest Sun Feb 21, 2016 5:48 pm

According to multiple stories he had no criminal record in MI or IN. So again all the "sensible" gun control arguments mean nothing here since no background check or wait period would have prevented this.

I don't think the "we need to help the loonies" does much here either since it seems that he lived a pretty normal life until last night.

by **Other Teams Pursuing That** Sun Feb 21, 2016 5:52 pm

LooseGoose wrote:According to multiple stories he had no criminal record in MI or IN. So again all the "sensible" gun control arguments mean nothing here since no background check or wait period would have prevented this.

I don't think the "we need to help the loonies" does much here either since it seems that he lived a pretty normal life until last night.

Loose is right, let's just do nothing. Fuck it.

by **tGreenWay** Sun Feb 21, 2016 5:56 pm

xsanguine wrote:
tGreenWay wrote:

Yeah, I know. I'd usually do what you just did, but I wasn't up to it last night, any more than I was this morning when someone reported the 14 year old girl as alive but gravely ill, as if being shot made her sick. What is it, lead poisoning?

I have heard the cartels rub their bullets in feces....

Maybe we should be looking into this guy's cartel connections.

Maybe he was a plant by the Taxi Drivers Association of America, intended to give a black eye to Uber.

by **xsanguine** Sun Feb 21, 2016 5:56 pm

Oh, dear....

by **tGreenWay** Sun Feb 21, 2016 6:02 pm

xsanguine wrote:Oh, dear....

Yeah, the taxi mafia is one of the worst kinds of mafias. I've heard stories.

by Guest Sun Feb 21, 2016 6:13 pm

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:
LooseGoose wrote:According to multiple stories he had no criminal record in MI or IN. So again all the "sensible" gun control arguments mean nothing here since no background check or wait period would have prevented this.

I don't think the "we need to help the loonies" does much here either since it seems that he lived a pretty normal life until last night.

Loose is right, let's just do nothing. Fuck it.

Not what I said, why distort? I know you're still young and smart, let me know your solution? My point was the normal "fixes" that are proposed wouldn't have done a damned thing here, are you disputing that?

by **Other Teams Pursuing That** Sun Feb 21, 2016 6:19 pm

LooseGoose wrote:
Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:

Loose is right, let's just do nothing. Fuck it.

Not what I said, why distort? I know you're still young and smart, let me know your solution? My point was the normal "fixes" that are proposed wouldn't have done a damned thing here, are you disputing that?

I'm arguing with the notion that this guy wasn't a loonie, considering he went on a random killing spree.

by Guest Sun Feb 21, 2016 6:26 pm

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:
LooseGoose wrote:

Not what I said, why distort? I know you're still young and smart, let me know your solution? My point was the normal "fixes" that are proposed wouldn't have done a damned thing here, are you disputing that?

I'm arguing with the notion that this guy wasn't a loonie, considering he went on a random killing spree.

OK, agreed. But so far it seems he didn't exhibit enough oddball behavior to get him help or put him on any lists to prevent buying guns. Perhaps more information will come out in time to contradict that.

by **Gomer** Sun Feb 21, 2016 6:34 pm

LooseGoose wrote:
Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:

I'm arguing with the notion that this guy wasn't a loonie, considering he went on a random killing spree.

OK, agreed. But so far it seems he didn't exhibit enough oddball behavior to get him help or put him on any lists to prevent buying guns. Perhaps more information will come out in time to contradict that.

Other reputable news sources have reported that neighbors claimed he would randomly fire his weapons out his back door in his residential neighborhood.

Does an "oddball behavior to prevent you from buying guns" list currently exist in Michigan?

Does this list apply to private sales?

Does placement on this list require the surrender of any guns already in your possession?

by **Rocinante** Sun Feb 21, 2016 7:01 pm

LooseGoose wrote:
Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:

I'm arguing with the notion that this guy wasn't a loonie, considering he went on a random killing spree.

OK, agreed. But so far it seems he didn't exhibit enough oddball behavior to get him help or put him on any lists to prevent buying guns. Perhaps more information will come out in time to contradict that.

How do you know this? Do you have access to his medical records?

by Guest Sun Feb 21, 2016 8:59 pm

Rocinante wrote:
LooseGoose wrote:

OK, agreed. But so far it seems he didn't exhibit enough oddball behavior to get him help or put him on any lists to prevent buying guns. Perhaps more information will come out in time to contradict that.

How do you know this? Do you have access to his medical records?

I don't know a damned thing, nor do I claim to have a solution.

by **Rocinante** Sun Feb 21, 2016 9:04 pm

LooseGoose wrote:
Rocinante wrote:

How do you know this? Do you have access to his medical records?

I don't know a damned thing, nor do I claim to have a solution.

I'm glad you admit that, so maybe ideas that include some limitation to firearm access for certain people could be part of the solution.

by Herbie Green Sun Feb 21, 2016 9:18 pm

Yup nothing you can do about it. The only thing that can help at this point is more guns

by **Death Roe** Sun Feb 21, 2016 9:30 pm

We were about a half mile away from the shooting at the car dealer, we were eating at B-Dubs. Scary shit.

And the Cracker Barrel is about 5 minutes away. My GF's best friend had two family friends die, the ones at the car dealer. What a fucking psycho, just kill yourself instead of others.

by Guest Sun Feb 21, 2016 9:39 pm

Rocinante wrote:
LooseGoose wrote:

I don't know a damned thing, nor do I claim to have a solution.

I'm glad you admit that, so maybe ideas that include some limitation to firearm access for certain people could be part of the solution.

And that was the point of my post - we don't know everything at this point but it seems that no limitation short of a ban would have included this character, seems like that's often the case. And no matter what anyone thinks this isn't Australia/TheUK and a ban just isn't going to fly.

by **The_Dude** Sun Feb 21, 2016 9:50 pm

LooseGoose wrote:
Rocinante wrote:

I'm glad you admit that, so maybe ideas that include some limitation to firearm access for certain people could be part of the solution.

And that was the point of my post - we don't know everything at this point but it seems that no limitation short of a ban would have included this character, seems like that's often the case. And no matter what anyone thinks this isn't Australia/TheUK and a ban just isn't going to fly.

Yeah...same story every time. The libs propose stuff and then we run it back to the shooting and none of what they proposed would have stopped it.

by **Rocinante** Sun Feb 21, 2016 9:52 pm

LooseGoose wrote:
Rocinante wrote:

I'm glad you admit that, so maybe ideas that include some limitation to firearm access for certain people could be part of the solution.

And that was the point of my post - we don't know everything at this point but it seems that no limitation short of a ban would have included this character, seems like that's often the case. And no matter what anyone thinks this isn't Australia/TheUK and a ban just isn't going to fly.

I was thinking about applying for a job in Mio. How would you like me for a neighbor?

by **xsanguine** Sun Feb 21, 2016 10:15 pm

Uber drivers are prohibited from carrying weapons in their vehicles.

Uber Firearms Prohibition Policy

by Guest Sun Feb 21, 2016 10:23 pm

Rocinante wrote:
LooseGoose wrote:
And that was the point of my post - we don't know everything at this point but it seems that no limitation short of a ban would have included this character, seems like that's often the case. And no matter what anyone thinks this isn't Australia/TheUK and a ban just isn't going to fly.
I was thinking about applying for a job in Mio. How would you like me for a neighbor?

I'm good with it, my neighborhood is like something off Mr. Rogers we all get along pretty well.

by **xsanguine** Sun Feb 21, 2016 10:24 pm

by Guest Sun Feb 21, 2016 10:29 pm

xsanguine wrote:

I'd still invite you to the summer soiree.

by **xsanguine** Sun Feb 21, 2016 10:30 pm

LooseGoose wrote:
xsanguine wrote:

I'd still invite you to the summer soiree.

And I would still graciously accept and bring a nice bottle of wine, a six pack, and a joint to pass around.

by Herbie Green Sun Feb 21, 2016 10:33 pm

LooseGoose wrote:
Rocinante wrote:

I'm glad you admit that, so maybe ideas that include some limitation to firearm access for certain people could be part of the solution.

And that was the point of my post - we don't know everything at this point but it seems that no limitation short of a ban would have included this character, seems like that's often the case. And no matter what anyone thinks this isn't Australia/TheUK and a ban just isn't going to fly.

Yup. No point in doing anything

by Herbie Green Sun Feb 21, 2016 10:34 pm

The_Dude wrote:
LooseGoose wrote:

And that was the point of my post - we don't know everything at this point but it seems that no limitation short of a ban would have included this character, seems like that's often the case. And no matter what anyone thinks this isn't Australia/TheUK and a ban just isn't going to fly.

Yeah...same story every time. The libs propose stuff and then we run it back to the shooting and none of what they proposed would have stopped it.

Yep. Exactly. No point in doing anything. The Libs just don't understand

by **Gomer** Sun Feb 21, 2016 10:43 pm

LooseGoose wrote:
Rocinante wrote:

I'm glad you admit that, so maybe ideas that include some limitation to firearm access for certain people could be part of the solution.

And that was the point of my post - we don't know everything at this point but it seems that no limitation short of a ban would have included this character, seems like that's often the case. And no matter what anyone thinks this isn't Australia/TheUK and a ban just isn't going to fly.

LooseGoose wrote:OK, agreed. But so far it seems he didn't exhibit enough oddball behavior to get him help or put him on any lists to prevent buying guns. Perhaps more information will come out in time to contradict that.

I want to know more about that list you were talking about where people with oddball behavior weren't allowed to buy (or have I hope) guns.

Other reputable news sources have reported that neighbors claimed he would randomly fire his weapons out his back door in his residential neighborhood.

Does an "oddball behavior to prevent you from buying guns" list currently exist in Michigan?

Does this list apply to private sales?

Does placement on this list require the surrender of any guns already in your possession?

Please tell me more about this. Sounds like it might have helped in this, and a lot of other cases.

by **Watch Out Pylon!** Sun Feb 21, 2016 11:24 pm

http://woodtv.com/2016/02/21/daltons-uber-fare-youre-not-the-shooter-are-you/

These people are pretty fucking lucky. Sorry to mess with you guy's gun debate.

by **CORNER BLITZ** Sun Feb 21, 2016 11:27 pm

Watch Out Pylon! wrote:http://woodtv.com/2016/02/21/daltons-uber-fare-youre-not-the-shooter-are-you/

These people are pretty fucking lucky. Sorry to mess with you guy's gun debate.

Can't imagine what's going through that dudes head now

by **Gomer** Sun Feb 21, 2016 11:33 pm

CORNER BLITZ wrote:
Watch Out Pylon! wrote:http://woodtv.com/2016/02/21/daltons-uber-fare-youre-not-the-shooter-are-you/

These people are pretty fucking lucky. Sorry to mess with you guy's gun debate.

Can't imagine what's going through that dudes head now

He's probably uber freaked out [rimshot]

by **xsanguine** Sun Feb 21, 2016 11:47 pm

Gomer wrote:
CORNER BLITZ wrote:

Can't imagine what's going through that dudes head now
He's probably uber freaked out [rimshot]

heh

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