Re: 2017/18 Football Thread

by MattyFresh 2017-04-22, 14:30

StVincentCathChariti‏ @STVCC 22h22 hours ago

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by Guest 2017-04-22, 14:34

All of them need to be punished for having knot headed teammates.

by MattyFresh 2017-04-22, 14:38

Loose I know where you are coming from but can we leave my tiny dosage of positivity alone as I acknowledge the good apples we do have.

by Guest 2017-04-22, 14:42

MattyFresh wrote:Loose I know where you are coming from but can we leave my tiny dosage of positivity alone as I acknowledge the good apples we do have.

sorry man, I was trying to get my sarcasm in before the "realists" get here. Whatever....sorry. There were a bunch of these put out this morning. We all know why - the program was trying to show that there's so much more than the bad. I didn't post them here when they were tweeted because I'm about wore out from the bullshit. Let the 3-4-5 jackasses have the place, they can meet here to circle jerk every couple months when bad shit happens. During any successful times the board will be dead as hell.

by Guest 2017-04-24, 11:07

From Coach Staten:

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by Guest 2017-04-24, 15:15

MSU running back Gerald Holmes views senior season as 'go-to year'

by Guest 2017-04-27, 21:48

MSU cornerback Vayante Copeland in diversionary program for third time

by **DWags** 2017-04-27, 22:08

Way to go Mr. Copeland. This is exactly the shot in the arm the program needs.

by Guest 2017-04-28, 16:51

A reminder for those calling for Narducci - Kids make stupid decisions no matter who the coach is.

Jerry DiPaola‏Verified account @JDiPaola_Trib
This is about the worst news for the Pitt football team: Senior defensive tackle Jeremiah Taleni has been dismissed for disciplinary reasons

by **tGreenWay** 2017-04-28, 17:21

Unpossible. That kind of stuff only happens at MSU. Obviously, Nardawg didn't wash his hands long enough to get the Spartan stink off of him.

by **Nordic** 2017-04-28, 17:34

Every time I open this thread I expect to see "It gone"

by **Nordic** 2017-04-28, 17:36

DWags wrote:Way to go Mr. Copeland. This is exactly the shot in the arm the program needs.

Am I missing something? It doesn't say why he was "rejected".

Rolling Eyes

At disciplinary issues for weed

by MattyFresh 2017-04-28, 17:47

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Andrew Dowell, on how he leads: "Elevate my play and bring others along with me... whether that's on the field or in the classroom."

by Guest 2017-04-28, 18:00

Spartans regroup, recoup what was missing last season

by MattyFresh 2017-04-29, 08:37

I've always seen Murphy slurping Harblah so this is a refreshing take.

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/19266928/trying-change-perception

by **Nordic** 2017-04-29, 09:53

They are saying the right stuff. They want to be like the 2013-15 teams, but they don't have the talent and will be young. So we'll see when the pads start to fly in the fall and they hit some adversity. 2017 is a rebuild year. It is not going to just come, even if they do the right things. How they respond will be key. 2018 is the year I pegged for us to be in a position to contend agaiin...both lines will be mature, most likely have a 2-year starter at QB and our young/talented WR core will be in full bloom. But with all the continued loses on the DL (especially DE)...I'm not sure we have the horses yet.

by MattyFresh 2017-04-29, 19:43

funny and true

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by Guest 2017-05-01, 08:20

Couch: MSU's players know the problem; fixing it will take humility

by **Floyd Robertson** 2017-05-01, 10:34

This doesn't really belong here, but it's about football, so whatever.

Game of the Year of the Day, 1951: Michigan State 24, Ohio State 20

Some great footage of Biggie pulling out the transcontinental trick play to win the game.

by **WhiteBoyHatcher** 2017-05-01, 10:53

LooseGoose wrote:Couch: MSU's players know the problem; fixing it will take humility

Larry Caper's got beef with this for some reason.

https://twitter.com/Lcaper_22/status/858870777139036160?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

by Guest 2017-05-02, 10:13

Right between Indiana and Purdue.

Big Ten post-spring power rankings: Buckeyes loaded again

11. Michigan State: The Spartans ended a 3-9 season in search of some positive vibes and so far the offseason has not provided any. Mired in sexual-assault allegations and player departures, Michigan State’s spring left more questions than answers. While there is enough talent still in East Lansing to keep them out of the cellar, Mark Dantonio and company have a lot of rebuilding to do.

by Herbie Green 2017-05-02, 11:18

tGreenWay wrote:
LooseGoose wrote:

Named names and posited a worse offense than has been previously rumored

Douche being douche. He apparently doesn't realize that SRC (and other posters involved) could be sued if a name was posted and it was wrong. That person could make a pretty good civil case for being a victim of false light. There's precedent. Plus, it's just a shitty thing to do. That's why almost all credible news orgs won't name anyone until they're formally charged. They don't want to get sued.

Why does this standard not seem to apply to players at other schools? A certain player at UM and at FSU come to mind.

by **Watch Out Pylon!** 2017-05-02, 11:19

Herbie Green wrote:
tGreenWay wrote:

Douche being douche. He apparently doesn't realize that SRC (and other posters involved) could be sued if a name was posted and it was wrong. That person could make a pretty good civil case for being a victim of false light. There's precedent. Plus, it's just a shitty thing to do. That's why almost all credible news orgs won't name anyone until they're formally charged. They don't want to get sued.

Why does this standard not seem to apply to players at other schools? Brandon Gibbons and Jameis Winston come to mind.

Whatcha got for us on tBob today Herbs?

by Herbie Green 2017-05-02, 11:22

Crap you quoted me before I deleted the names. Moderators please delete

by **Watch Out Pylon!** 2017-05-02, 11:32

Herbie Green wrote:Crap you quoted me before I deleted the names. Moderators please delete

You seem persecuted. Care to talk about it?

by Herbie Green 2017-05-02, 11:44

I think this topic is an interesting one. Hell, I am still wondering about ESPN's lawsuit on this related matter.

I suppose it is more of a FOI request or more what the prosecutor openly shares? Perhaps state law. The FSU case had every detail of that investigation reported in major news outlets, yet I don't think the player was ever charged.

by MattyFresh 2017-05-02, 11:47

Herbie Green wrote:I think this topic is an interesting one. Hell, I am still wondering about ESPN's lawsuit on this related matter.

I suppose it is more of a FOI request or more what the prosecutor openly shares? Perhaps state law. The FSU case had every detail of that investigation reported in major news outlets, yet I don't think the player was ever charged.

Well some sort of charge or something had to happen, FSU paid the victim like a million dollars.

by **InTenSity** 2017-05-02, 11:49

Herbie Green wrote:I think this topic is an interesting one. Hell, I am still wondering about ESPN's lawsuit on this related matter.

I suppose it is more of a FOI request or more what the prosecutor openly shares? Perhaps state law. The FSU case had every detail of that investigation reported in major news outlets, yet I don't think the player was ever charged.

There was a civil suit, he was named in teh civil suit. Why is that so hard to understand?

by **Death Roe** 2017-05-02, 11:53

by Herbie Green 2017-05-02, 12:02

InTenSity wrote:
Herbie Green wrote:I think this topic is an interesting one. Hell, I am still wondering about ESPN's lawsuit on this related matter.

I suppose it is more of a FOI request or more what the prosecutor openly shares? Perhaps state law. The FSU case had every detail of that investigation reported in major news outlets, yet I don't think the player was ever charged.
There was a civil suit, he was named in teh civil suit. Why is that so hard to understand?

Feature story in the NY Times dated Aoril 14, 2014:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/04/16/sports/errors-in-inquiry-on-rape-allegations-against-fsu-jameis-winston.html?_r=0

Accusor files civil suit April 15, 2016:
http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/jameis-winston-s-accuser-files-civil-lawsuit-against-ex-florida-state-qb-041615

Inside the Jameis Winston Rape case file, 12/6/2013:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/inside-the-jameis-winston-rape-case-file/

by **NigelUno** 2017-05-02, 12:44

Herbie Green wrote:
tGreenWay wrote:

Douche being douche. He apparently doesn't realize that SRC (and other posters involved) could be sued if a name was posted and it was wrong. That person could make a pretty good civil case for being a victim of false light. There's precedent. Plus, it's just a shitty thing to do. That's why almost all credible news orgs won't name anyone until they're formally charged. They don't want to get sued.

Why does this standard not seem to apply to players at other schools? A certain player at UM and at FSU come to mind.

Gibbons was arrested and charged (it was therefore a public record).

Here's his mug shot:

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by **Death Roe** 2017-05-02, 12:45

b3 carful, Nigel... herbe will cal you wrong

by Herbie Green 2017-05-02, 12:53

NigelUno wrote:
Herbie Green wrote:

Why does this standard not seem to apply to players at other schools? A certain player at UM and at FSU come to mind.

Gibbons was arrested and charged (it was therefore a public record).

Here's his mug shot:

Gibbons was never charged:

https://www.google.com/amp/www.mlive.com/articles/12095273/brendan_gibbons_was_arrested_i.amp

by **InTenSity** 2017-05-02, 12:53

Ok, and not even all the other stuff. You are comparing 2 players, who were charged with crimes or taken to civil court, and continued playing at the school, in their position without any known suspensions, to a school that is waiting to find out if there are charges, and in one case kicking a kid off the team as soon as he was charged. If you don't see the difference in the 2, I'm not sure what to tell you.

by Herbie Green 2017-05-02, 12:56

InTenSity wrote:Ok, and not even all the other stuff. You are comparing 2 players, who were charged with crimes or taken to civil court, and continued playing at the school, in their position without any known suspensions, to a school that is waiting to find out if there are charges, and in one case kicking a kid off the team as soon as he was charged. If you don't see the difference in the 2, I'm not sure what to tell you.

You are not even on the topic as you were in your last post where you were off by more than two years.

by **NigelUno** 2017-05-02, 12:58

Herbie Green wrote:
NigelUno wrote:

Gibbons was arrested and charged (it was therefore a public record).

Here's his mug shot:

Gibbons was never charged:

https://www.google.com/amp/www.mlive.com/articles/12095273/brendan_gibbons_was_arrested_i.amp

Herbie?

What does it say under his mug shot?

by **NigelUno** 2017-05-02, 13:00

Herbie Green wrote:
InTenSity wrote:Ok, and not even all the other stuff. You are comparing 2 players, who were charged with crimes or taken to civil court, and continued playing at the school, in their position without any known suspensions, to a school that is waiting to find out if there are charges, and in one case kicking a kid off the team as soon as he was charged. If you don't see the difference in the 2, I'm not sure what to tell you.

You are not even on the topic as you were in your last post where you were off by more than two years.

Do you understand the difference with Gibbons? Or does someone (still) need to explain it to you?

by Herbie Green 2017-05-02, 13:30

NigelUno wrote:
Herbie Green wrote:

You are not even on the topic as you were in your last post where you were off by more than two years.

Do you understand the difference with Gibbons? Or does someone (still) need to explain it to you?

I would like you to explain it please in relation to the article I posted saying he was never charged. Admittedly, I am no legal expert so you might have to get into the difference between being investigated, arrested and charged and police reports vs prosecution etc. Then expound into the Winston case and the ESPN MSU lawsuit where MSU refused to release the names of players that were not charged with a crime. Thanks

by **tGreenWay** 2017-05-02, 13:44

It's great that Herbie is always so concerned about other schools here on an MSU board.

by **NigelUno** 2017-05-02, 13:50

Herbie Green wrote:
NigelUno wrote:

Do you understand the difference with Gibbons? Or does someone (still) need to explain it to you?

I would like you to explain it please in relation to the article I posted saying he was never charged. Admittedly, I am no legal expert so you might have to get into the difference between being investigated, arrested and charged and police reports vs prosecution etc. Then expound into the Winston case and the ESPN MSU lawsuit where MSU refused to release the names of players that were not charged with a crime. Thanks

The difference with Gibbons (and other athletes who have not been arrested) is that Gibbons was arrested (and charges were listed on his mug shot...which you can clearly see by looking at it), and his arrest record was public.

Whether or not you posted an article saying he was never charged doesn't impact whether he was arrested (and charges were listed on his mug shot) and his arrest record was public.

So, let's just start with that basic fact (which has now been explained to you at least 3 times)...do you understand that difference (between someone who is arrested and someone who hasn't been arrested) and how that is public info and therefore can be reported in newspapers (for example)?

A simple Yes or No will suffice.

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