Re: Who's going to see Milo on campus Wednesday?

by P Rob 2017-02-10, 09:59

Watch Out Pylon! wrote:
LooseGoose wrote:

I need to link an article I read earlier this week about the left not liking the long slog to do this. That the protests in the street were more of a quick "fix" for them. In reality the protests are driving a bigger wedge between them and the moderate voters they need. As the old saying goes "it won't play in Peoria" - people don't want to see a bunch of spoiled brats rioting because they lost.

538 has already been doing analysis and showing that the vast majority of the marches, demonstrations and riots are happening where the Dems are already strong. This isn't a widening of their base, it's playing to the base. That's not going to work to win more elections, the Dems are essentially a rump party now - the riots, the rhetoric and the obstructionism are going to ensure they remain that way.

And before the usual suspects chime in here about how unpopular Trump is, go take a look at the polling on the policies he's enacting. They all poll much better than he does and even with the 24/7 bashing he's taking he's still polling around 50%. No matter how much the Dems fell in love with Bernie they need to moderate the tone a bit and find a couple of leaders under 70 to put out in front of the American people.

If you don't think the shenanigans Trump is pulling isn't rallying the left you're living in a dream world.

Rallying for what? Midterms? The one's where odds are Republicans will pick up multiple senate seats? Or are you talking 2020? Who ya got? Sanders? Warren? Please.

by Guest 2017-02-10, 10:11

Watch Out Pylon! wrote:
LooseGoose wrote:

I need to link an article I read earlier this week about the left not liking the long slog to do this. That the protests in the street were more of a quick "fix" for them. In reality the protests are driving a bigger wedge between them and the moderate voters they need. As the old saying goes "it won't play in Peoria" - people don't want to see a bunch of spoiled brats rioting because they lost.

538 has already been doing analysis and showing that the vast majority of the marches, demonstrations and riots are happening where the Dems are already strong. This isn't a widening of their base, it's playing to the base. That's not going to work to win more elections, the Dems are essentially a rump party now - the riots, the rhetoric and the obstructionism are going to ensure they remain that way.

And before the usual suspects chime in here about how unpopular Trump is, go take a look at the polling on the policies he's enacting. They all poll much better than he does and even with the 24/7 bashing he's taking he's still polling around 50%. No matter how much the Dems fell in love with Bernie they need to moderate the tone a bit and find a couple of leaders under 70 to put out in front of the American people.

If you don't think the shenanigans Trump is pulling isn't rallying the left you're living in a dream world.

Don't just watch the news, read the polls. The polls tell you that people are supporting what he's doing, that's not as interesting for the news shows as the children rioting is.

by **I.B. Fine** 2017-02-10, 10:12

P Rob wrote:
Rallying for what? Midterms? The one's where odds are Republicans will pick up multiple senate seats? Or are you talking 2020? Who ya got? Sanders? Warren? Please.

Elizabeth Warren for President!

Warren combines Hillary Clinton’s likability with Bernie Sanders’ sensible policy prescriptions, and adds to the mix her own unique dishonesty and hypocrisy.

the original Rachel Dolezal

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http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2017/02/elizabeth-warren-for-president.php

by **Watch Out Pylon!** 2017-02-10, 10:23

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by AnomanderRake 2017-02-10, 10:36

LooseGoose wrote:
Watch Out Pylon! wrote:

If you don't think the shenanigans Trump is pulling isn't rallying the left you're living in a dream world.

Don't just watch the news, read the polls. The polls tell you that people are supporting what he's doing, that's not as interesting for the news shows as the children rioting is.

Well yeah, the same half of people that voted for Trump obviously. He isn't winning over any Democrats and he hasn't done anything completely insane yet for his base to abandon him.

Half of the country doesn't even know that the ACA = Obamacare. My key take away from observing polls is that we're an embarrassingly misinformed electorate.

by P Rob 2017-02-10, 10:46

Watch Out Pylon! wrote:Bunch of defensive posts up in this thread.

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by **xsanguine** 2017-02-13, 21:21

by **xsanguine** 2017-02-15, 21:51

I never knew that's what a fascist was. I guess add it to the group of neo-definitions like that of 'racism' and 'free speech'.

Kicker; This woman teaches middle school children. Awesome.

by **Cameron** 2017-02-16, 01:32

xsanguine wrote:

I never knew that's what a fascist was. I guess add it to the group of neo-definitions like that of 'racism' and 'free speech'.

Kicker; This woman teaches middle school children. Awesome.

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by **Cameron** 2017-02-16, 03:24

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2017-02-16, 07:09

are ya'll still upset about free speech and the police not doing their job?

by **Cameron** 2017-02-16, 07:53

I am upset about the violent suppression of free speech, yes.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2017-02-16, 08:08

Cameron wrote:I am upset about the violent suppression of free speech, yes.

you should contact the authorities.

by **Watch Out Pylon!** 2017-02-16, 08:16

Cameron wrote:

Sorry, I just can't get too upset about all of this from someone that is that big of a hate filled asshole. Who's going to see Milo on campus Wednesday? - Page 8 2599972566

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by **Robert J Sakimano** 2017-02-16, 08:25

Watch Out Pylon! wrote:
Cameron wrote:

Sorry, I just can't get too upset about all of this from someone that is that big of a hate filled asshole.

seems like everyone here is giving him the attention he so desperately desires.

If it weren't for this thread, I would've never heard of the guy.. which is the way I prefer it.

by **I.B. Fine** 2017-02-16, 08:49

Bill Maher Invites Milo Yiannopoulos, and Another Guest Cancels
Scahill, whoever he is, had a golden opportunity to prove Milo is full of shit and be a hero to the cause, but he immediately hit the ejection seat. Must feel a little insecure in his position.
The Maher/Milo interaction should be amusing.

by P Rob 2017-02-16, 09:55

I.B. Fine wrote:Bill Maher Invites Milo Yiannopoulos, and Another Guest Cancels
Scahill, whoever he is, had a golden opportunity to prove Milo is full of shit and be a hero to the cause, but he immediately hit the ejection seat. Must feel a little insecure in his position.
The Maher/Milo interaction should be amusing.

I agree with Maher on very little (i do, however, regularly watch Real Time) but he absolutely nails it with his reply to the cowardly "journalist".

Can't wait for Milo's appearance! He is a sexy man.

by **xsanguine** 2017-02-16, 11:38

Maher is a good dude. Yeah, sure, he can come off as an arrogant Hollywood type sometimes but he genuinely cares about free speech and minimizing political correctness (he did make his bones as a comedian, after all). He is also able to differentiate between religions and admit some are nuttier than others. I think Maher and Milo will find a lot of common ground. It's a shame that coward that backed out wasn't willing to defend his opinion by debating Milo.
After Milo made a name for himself, people stopped engaging him in public debates because he had a reputation in England for systematically destroying feminist arguments.

by **xsanguine** 2017-02-16, 11:41

Watch Out Pylon! wrote:
Cameron wrote:

Sorry, I just can't get too upset about all of this from someone that is that big of a hate filled asshole.

Can you blame a gay guy for hating a religion that requires his execution?

Or is it the free speech part that you can't be bothered with?

by **xsanguine** 2017-02-16, 11:44

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
Watch Out Pylon! wrote:

Sorry, I just can't get too upset about all of this from someone that is that big of a hate filled asshole.
seems like everyone here is giving him the attention he so desperately desires.

If it weren't for this thread, I would've never heard of the guy.. which is the way I prefer it.

That's a problem. America should stand up for its ideals. The fact that you wouldn't have heard about him if it weren't for non-media pushing this story is sad. Free speech is trending towards defeat. It's a shame Cym Jim doesn't engage anymore, it'd be fun to have a debate with him about the concept of free speech and why it is important (from my perspective) or why it isn't important (from his perspective).

by P Rob 2017-02-16, 11:46

xsanguine wrote:
Watch Out Pylon! wrote:

Sorry, I just can't get too upset about all of this from someone that is that big of a hate filled asshole.

Can you blame a gay guy for hating a religion that requires his execution?

Or is it the free speech part that you can't be bothered with?

Please understand Watch Out Pylon is a fucking dolt. To him, disagreement is hate.

I guess following WOP's gorilla logic, he's a homophobe because he disagrees with Milo...and since Milo is gay...WOP is a HOMOPHOBE! THAT'S RIGHT! WOP IS A HOMOPHOBE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by **Watch Out Pylon!** 2017-02-16, 11:50

xsanguine wrote:
Watch Out Pylon! wrote:

Sorry, I just can't get too upset about all of this from someone that is that big of a hate filled asshole.

Can you blame a gay guy for hating a religion that requires his execution?

Or is it the free speech part that you can't be bothered with?

He can say whatever he wants. I am under no obligations to feel sorry for him when shit happens to his gatherings though.

by **xsanguine** 2017-02-16, 11:52

P Rob wrote:
xsanguine wrote:

Can you blame a gay guy for hating a religion that requires his execution?

Or is it the free speech part that you can't be bothered with?

Please understand Watch Out Pylon is a fucking dolt. To him, disagreement is hate.

Nah, Pylon seems like a good dude. I just think people are taking the media and protesters word for it rather than actually delving into what Milo is saying. Milo is a homosexual who doesn't like Islam. It shouldn't take a genius to figure out why he doesn't like Islam.

P Rob wrote:
I guess following WOP's gorilla logic, he's a homophobe because he disagrees with Milo...and since Milo is gay...WOP is a HOMOPHOBE! THAT'S RIGHT! WOP IS A HOMOPHOBE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

When I first saw this I thought you were displaying a dislike for Italians.

by **Watch Out Pylon!** 2017-02-16, 11:52

P Rob wrote:
xsanguine wrote:

Can you blame a gay guy for hating a religion that requires his execution?

Or is it the free speech part that you can't be bothered with?

Please understand Watch Out Pylon is a fucking dolt. To him, disagreement is hate.

I guess following WOP's gorilla logic, he's a homophobe because he disagrees with Milo...and since Milo is gay...WOP is a HOMOPHOBE! THAT'S RIGHT! WOP IS A HOMOPHOBE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You sound angry. Need a hug? What's gorilla logic? Care to explain?

by **xsanguine** 2017-02-16, 11:55

Watch Out Pylon! wrote:
xsanguine wrote:

Can you blame a gay guy for hating a religion that requires his execution?

Or is it the free speech part that you can't be bothered with?

He can say whatever he wants. I am under no obligations to feel sorry for him when shit happens to his gatherings though.

I think this was Dwags position, too. I find it troubling that violent suppression of free speech is something people can't get upset about unless they agree with the opinions of the speaker. I fear it's an unhealthy stance in the long term.

Do you at least feel sorry for the people being violently attacked... at the very, very least?

by P Rob 2017-02-16, 12:14

xsanguine wrote:
Watch Out Pylon! wrote:

He can say whatever he wants. I am under no obligations to feel sorry for him when shit happens to his gatherings though.

I think this was Dwags position, too. I find it troubling that violent suppression of free speech is something people can't get upset about unless they agree with the opinions of the speaker. I fear it's an unhealthy stance in the long term.

Do you at least feel sorry for the people being violently attacked... at the very, very least?

WOP's response will be something along the lines of, "No. I live in an echo chamber. I'm not real smart, have never had an independent thought, and I could never debate my way out of a wet paper bag so I'll just go with whatever the cool kids do."

by P Rob 2017-02-16, 12:15

Watch Out Pylon! wrote:
P Rob wrote:

Please understand Watch Out Pylon is a fucking dolt. To him, disagreement is hate.

I guess following WOP's gorilla logic, he's a homophobe because he disagrees with Milo...and since Milo is gay...WOP is a HOMOPHOBE! THAT'S RIGHT! WOP IS A HOMOPHOBE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You sound angry. Need a hug? What's gorilla logic? Care to explain?

I get bonars when i hug, so you probably wouldn't want to since you're a big homophobe.

by P Rob 2017-02-16, 12:17

Watch Out Pylon! wrote:
P Rob wrote:

Please understand Watch Out Pylon is a fucking dolt. To him, disagreement is hate.

I guess following WOP's gorilla logic, he's a homophobe because he disagrees with Milo...and since Milo is gay...WOP is a HOMOPHOBE! THAT'S RIGHT! WOP IS A HOMOPHOBE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You sound angry. Need a hug? What's gorilla logic? Care to explain?

By the way, nice job down voting every post I make. How old are you? Maybe some day you'll get laid.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2017-02-16, 12:28

xsanguine wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:
seems like everyone here is giving him the attention he so desperately desires.

If it weren't for this thread, I would've never heard of the guy.. which is the way I prefer it.

That's a problem. America should stand up for its ideals. The fact that you wouldn't have heard about him if it weren't for non-media pushing this story is sad. Free speech is trending towards defeat.

You can call it "free speech" if you want.. and that's fine. I don't care who he is or what he says. I'm simply not interested. I don't need him or anyone else to tell me how I should or shouldn't feel about something.

by **xsanguine** 2017-02-16, 12:29

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
xsanguine wrote:

That's a problem. America should stand up for its ideals. The fact that you wouldn't have heard about him if it weren't for non-media pushing this story is sad. Free speech is trending towards defeat.

You can call it "free speech" if you want.. and that's fine. I don't care who he is or what he says. I'm simply not interested. I don't need him or anyone else to tell me how I should or shouldn't feel about something.

What would you call it, Bob?

by **I.B. Fine** 2017-02-16, 12:32

xsanguine wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:

You can call it "free speech" if you want.. and that's fine. I don't care who he is or what he says. I'm simply not interested. I don't need him or anyone else to tell me how I should or shouldn't feel about something.

What would you call it, Bob?

Translation: I have my opinions and my feelings that I'm comfortable with, I don't have any need for facts that may contradict them.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2017-02-16, 12:35

xsanguine wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:

You can call it "free speech" if you want.. and that's fine. I don't care who he is or what he says. I'm simply not interested. I don't need him or anyone else to tell me how I should or shouldn't feel about something.

What would you call it, Bob?

free speech.

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by **xsanguine** 2017-02-16, 12:51

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
xsanguine wrote:

What would you call it, Bob?
free speech.

I just don't care. I'm not sure how much more clear I can be, dude.

Do you usually engage people on in-depth topics you don't care about? That's probably what makes it "not clear".

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2017-02-16, 12:53

xsanguine wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:free speech.

I just don't care. I'm not sure how much more clear I can be, dude.

Do you usually engage people on in-depth topics you don't care about? That's probably what makes it "not clear".

no, I don't.

by **xsanguine** 2017-02-16, 12:58

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
xsanguine wrote:

Do you usually engage people on in-depth topics you don't care about? That's probably what makes it "not clear".
no, I don't.

Oh, cause I do. Gets me into a pickle from time to time.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2017-02-16, 13:04

xsanguine wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:no, I don't.

Oh, cause I do. Gets me into a pickle from time to time.

it's not my thing. I prefer to just mock people.

by **xsanguine** 2017-02-16, 13:09

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
xsanguine wrote:

Oh, cause I do. Gets me into a pickle from time to time.
it's not my thing. I prefer to just mock people.

Like Trump mocks people?

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2017-02-16, 13:13

xsanguine wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote: it's not my thing. I prefer to just mock people.

Like Trump mocks people?

similarly.

gotta love free speech.

by **xsanguine** 2017-02-16, 13:19

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
xsanguine wrote:

Like Trump mocks people?
similarly.

gotta love free speech.

I know I do. America, for all her faults, is the greatest nation in the history of the world. Let's deal with Trump and after that get back to championing these concepts and ideals.

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by **Robert J Sakimano** 2017-02-16, 13:21

xsanguine wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:
similarly.

gotta love free speech.

I know I do. America, for all her faults, is the greatest nation in the history of the world. Let's deal with Trump and after that get back to championing these concepts and ideals.

oh, heck no - Cheeto Hitler can say whatever he wants.

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