Re: The 2020 Presidential campaign.

by **steveschneider** Wed Dec 11, 2019 8:55 am

Floyd Robertson wrote:
steveschneider wrote:

Do you have the qualifying poll? Want to see if lyin Tulsi made the cut.

She did not. On Monday she even said she won't appear if she miraculously makes the cut.

She’s going to be this years Jill Stein.

by **Robert J Sakimano** Wed Dec 11, 2019 1:44 pm

mainstream media once again trying to lull Americans into complacency.

(caution: mainstream media tweet below)

John Harwood @JohnJHarwood · 22h

new Quinnipiac national poll on 2020 general election shows every prospective Democratic nominee beating Trump :

Biden 51%, Trump 42%
Sanders 51%, Trump 43%
Warren 50%, Trump 43%
Bloomberg 48%, Trump 42%
Buttigieg 48%, Trump 43%
Klobuchar 47%, Trump 43%

also, everyone knows that the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator will lose the popular vote. What matters isn't this national polling data.. what matters is polling data in 3-4 states.

then, you have to factor in Russian-driven voter suppression, the closing of precincts, voter rolls being purged, voter disenfranchisement, etc.

basically, mainstream media polling (above) is about as relevant as the mainstream media itself. The 2020 Presidential campaign. - Page 13 502811600

The 2020 Presidential campaign. - Page 13 502811600

by **steveschneider** Wed Dec 11, 2019 2:34 pm

Robert J Sakimano wrote:mainstream media once again trying to lull Americans into complacency.

(caution: mainstream media tweet below)

John Harwood @JohnJHarwood · 22h

new Quinnipiac national poll on 2020 general election shows every prospective Democratic nominee beating Trump :

Biden 51%, Trump 42%
Sanders 51%, Trump 43%
Warren 50%, Trump 43%
Bloomberg 48%, Trump 42%
Buttigieg 48%, Trump 43%
Klobuchar 47%, Trump 43%

also, everyone knows that the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator will lose the popular vote. What matters isn't this national polling data.. what matters is polling data in 3-4 states.

then, you have to factor in Russian-driven voter suppression, the closing of precincts, voter rolls being purged, voter disenfranchisement, etc.

basically, mainstream media polling (above) is about as relevant as the mainstream media itself.

If people are too lazy to get out and vote that's on them. Evangelica's get out every time. I'm proud to say since 2015 I think I've missed only one very tiny local election.

by **Robert J Sakimano** Wed Dec 11, 2019 2:46 pm

steveschneider wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:mainstream media once again trying to lull Americans into complacency.

(caution: mainstream media tweet below)

also, everyone knows that the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator will lose the popular vote. What matters isn't this national polling data.. what matters is polling data in 3-4 states.

then, you have to factor in Russian-driven voter suppression, the closing of precincts, voter rolls being purged, voter disenfranchisement, etc.

basically, mainstream media polling (above) is about as relevant as the mainstream media itself.

If people are too lazy to get out and vote that's on them. Evangelica's get out every time. I'm proud to say since 2015 I think I've missed only one very tiny local election.

I hear ya.

But it's more than just voting. People have to educate themselves. That's where most Americans fall short.

by **steveschneider** Wed Dec 11, 2019 3:24 pm

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
steveschneider wrote:

If people are too lazy to get out and vote that's on them. Evangelica's get out every time. I'm proud to say since 2015 I think I've missed only one very tiny local election.
I hear ya.

But it's more than just voting. People have to educate themselves. That's where most Americans fall short.

I agree and almost every talk we have circles back to one basic truth - America is a very stupid country. I've kind of just got to the point where I'm waving the white flag and don't expect our problems to get any better. I guess that's how it goes when we elect an orange racist sexual predator.

by **kingstonlake** Wed Dec 11, 2019 4:03 pm

Interesting move by Bloomberg.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/12/11/politics/nancy-pelosi-michael-bloomberg-donation-house-democrats/index.html

Former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg will donate $10 million to support Democratic House lawmakers who are facing Republican attacks for supporting President Donald Trump's impeachment, his spokesman Jason Schechter told CNN on Wednesday.

by **steveschneider** Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:22 am

kingstonlake wrote:Interesting move by Bloomberg.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/12/11/politics/nancy-pelosi-michael-bloomberg-donation-house-democrats/index.html

Former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg will donate $10 million to support Democratic House lawmakers who are facing Republican attacks for supporting President Donald Trump's impeachment, his spokesman Jason Schechter told CNN on Wednesday.

Good for him. Better than him paying millions for an ad campaign when he's polling at like 5%. I'm sure the networks are grateful for the help to their bottom line though.

by **steveschneider** Fri Dec 20, 2019 10:32 am

Another Debate down and Biden turns out his strongest performance yet. I can’t see anyone in the field catching him. Maybe if Bernie or Warren drop out and consolidates their base. Both are occupying the same lane and splitting the support. Only question that really remains is how Bloomberg will do up there. He seems like he will be the media’s favorite but I can’t see him winning the African American vote after stop and Frisk and his stance on putting Plaxico in prison.

by **DWags** Fri Dec 20, 2019 10:48 am

CNN has a poll today that shows Trump has cut a ten point lead between him and Biden down to five in a month. Mostly based on economy. I’m prepared mentally for five more years of the pos

by **steveschneider** Fri Dec 20, 2019 10:57 am

DWags wrote:CNN has a poll today that shows Trump has cut a ten point lead between him and Biden down to five in a month. Mostly based on economy. I’m prepared mentally for five more years of the pos

Yep, based on the electoral college it's very possible. Truth be told if Trump behaved like a normal president and just did all the usual heal the nation speeches, made efforts to be a uniter and wasn't an open bigot he'd be a shoe in to win 2020. I'd put the same odds of him winning as Emmit Smith getting into the endzone in the 90's when it is 1st and goal on the 1 yrd line or Lebron James making the basket on a break away dunk

by **DWags** Fri Dec 20, 2019 11:13 am

steveschneider wrote:
DWags wrote:CNN has a poll today that shows Trump has cut a ten point lead between him and Biden down to five in a month. Mostly based on economy. I’m prepared mentally for five more years of the pos

Yep, based on the electoral college it's very possible. Truth be told if Trump behaved like a normal president and just did all the usual heal the nation speeches, made efforts to be a uniter and wasn't an open bigot he'd be a shoe in to win 2020. I'd put the same odds of him winning as Emmit Smith getting into the endzone in the 90's when it is 1st and goal on the 1 yrd line or Lebron James making the basket on a break away dunk

Pretty depressing.

by **Floyd Robertson** Fri Dec 20, 2019 12:21 pm

steveschneider wrote:Another Debate down and Biden turns out his strongest performance yet. I can’t see anyone in the field catching him. Maybe if Bernie or Warren drop out and consolidates their base. Both are occupying the same lane and splitting the support. Only question that really remains is how Bloomberg will do up there. He seems like he will be the media’s favorite but I can’t see him winning the African American vote after stop and Frisk and his stance on putting Plaxico in prison.

I don't think Bloombeg is ever going to be on the debate stage. He's self-funding and that means he'll never meet the donor thresholds. Unless the DNC waives that requirement in the future.

by **steveschneider** Fri Dec 20, 2019 12:31 pm

Floyd Robertson wrote:
steveschneider wrote:Another Debate down and Biden turns out his strongest performance yet. I can’t see anyone in the field catching him. Maybe if Bernie or Warren drop out and consolidates their base. Both are occupying the same lane and splitting the support. Only question that really remains is how Bloomberg will do up there. He seems like he will be the media’s favorite but I can’t see him winning the African American vote after stop and Frisk and his stance on putting Plaxico in prison.

I don't think Bloombeg is ever going to be on the debate stage. He's self-funding and that means he'll never meet the donor thresholds. Unless the DNC waives that requirement in the future.

Huh, didn't realize that and this is interesting -

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/democratic-debate-won-t-include-michael-bloomberg-s-still-win-ncna1104416

Not sure I agree with that take.

by **Other Teams Pursuing That** Fri Dec 20, 2019 12:45 pm

Trump is going to win again.

by **Floyd Robertson** Fri Dec 20, 2019 12:45 pm

steveschneider wrote:
Floyd Robertson wrote:

I don't think Bloombeg is ever going to be on the debate stage. He's self-funding and that means he'll never meet the donor thresholds. Unless the DNC waives that requirement in the future.

Huh, didn't realize that and this is interesting -

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/democratic-debate-won-t-include-michael-bloomberg-s-still-win-ncna1104416

Not sure I agree with that take.

That is interesting, but I don't think going it alone works to his advantage during future debates and the primaries to cut through the clutter. Afterward, I could see him funding it on his own, so that the DNC has no say in his messaging.

by **steveschneider** Fri Dec 20, 2019 1:58 pm

Floyd Robertson wrote:
steveschneider wrote:

Huh, didn't realize that and this is interesting -

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/democratic-debate-won-t-include-michael-bloomberg-s-still-win-ncna1104416

Not sure I agree with that take.

That is interesting, but I don't think going it alone works to his advantage during future debates and the primaries to cut through the clutter. Afterward, I could see him funding it on his own, so that the DNC has no say in his messaging.

Yeah, that's how I saw it too regarding missing out on the debates. At some point you'd want to hear his ideas out on the stage and to see how he can handle the format. Also, Yang benefited a lot from strong debate showings. Everyone likes him and he's standing up there longer than a lot of career politicians.

by **DWags** Fri Dec 20, 2019 2:01 pm

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:Trump is going to win again.

Pretty sure he will. Everyone in the states up for grabs needs to take ten others to the voting booths that day. At least make calls.

by **steveschneider** Fri Dec 20, 2019 2:32 pm

Not ready to wave the white flag yet but yes it's going to be tough. We are over due for a recession and he is historically the most unpopular president of our lives. If the market start a down turn and there's evidence it is then that could hurt him. Hoping the young voters turn it out. 2018 18-34 was 20% of the vote, 65+ was 60%. Apathy is a problem.

by **Floyd Robertson** Fri Dec 20, 2019 6:30 pm

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I think the December debate was 4% in four polls, so there's some work for the Yanggang to do to keep him in. I'm guessing he already has the donors, it's getting to 5% in four polls that he has to clear.

by **Cameron** Fri Dec 20, 2019 7:25 pm

I'm rooting for Yang, but it feels like anybody not polling in double digits by now doesn't really have a shot. But I don't know shit about prognosticating politics, so maybe it's fine.

by **Floyd Robertson** Fri Dec 20, 2019 7:30 pm

Cameron wrote:I'm rooting for Yang, but it feels like anybody not polling in double digits by now doesn't really have a shot. But I don't know shit about prognosticating politics, so maybe it's fine.

Yeah, he has no chance but following his campaign is the most fun to follow and he's a smart dude. If he could find a way to crack the 35+ age crowd then he'd have a chance.

by **steveschneider** Wed Dec 25, 2019 9:27 am

Floyd Robertson wrote:
Cameron wrote:I'm rooting for Yang, but it feels like anybody not polling in double digits by now doesn't really have a shot. But I don't know shit about prognosticating politics, so maybe it's fine.

Yeah, he has no chance but following his campaign is the most fun to follow and he's a smart dude. If he could find a way to crack the 35+ age crowd then he'd have a chance.

When Yang eventually bows out he can hold his head up high. He’s outperformed some long time career politicians, he brought a fascinating conversation to the race and his humor is incredible. I’ll also add he’s a genuinely kind dude. Mark Shields was right it was nice to see him just say on stage I miss Cory Booker and Kamala Harris.

by **steveschneider** Wed Dec 25, 2019 9:29 am

https://nypost.com/2019/12/24/hunter-biden-owns-massive-home-in-swanky-hollywood-hills-court-docs-reveal/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Republicans sure are going after Hunter. Big whoop the kid has a famous father and benefits from a lot of nepotism. Nothing new and not exclusive to one side of the aisle.

by **steveschneider** Mon Jan 06, 2020 8:49 am

After seeing all this go down in Iran and seeing how broken our relationship is around the world I think there’s one thing to consider about Biden and that is I think he will do the best job restoring our relationships with our old allies. Globally I think he will do the best job showing the world the US is back.

by **Robert J Sakimano** Mon Jan 06, 2020 9:51 am

steveschneider wrote:After seeing all this go down in Iran and seeing how broken our relationship is around the world I think there’s one thing to consider about Biden and that is I think he will do the best job restoring our relationships with our old allies. Globally I think he will do the best job showing the world the US is back.

hard to disagree with that.

by **steveschneider** Mon Jan 06, 2020 9:55 am

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
steveschneider wrote:After seeing all this go down in Iran and seeing how broken our relationship is around the world I think there’s one thing to consider about Biden and that is I think he will do the best job restoring our relationships with our old allies. Globally I think he will do the best job showing the world the US is back.
hard to disagree with that.

Mayor Pete might be able to as well but his lack of experience gives me pause.

by **Robert J Sakimano** Mon Jan 06, 2020 12:58 pm

caution: mainstream media tweet

The Boston Globe @BostonGlobe

Julián Castro is endorsing Elizabeth Warren’s presidential bid, saying the Massachusetts senator is “the most qualified, best-equipped candidate to win the nomination.”

in other news, Elizabeth Warren just gained 7 supporters.

by **kingstonlake** Mon Jan 06, 2020 1:29 pm

Biden/Pete

If only for the pleasure of watching Pence have to shake Petes hand pre debate. Then watch him spontaneously combust.

by **Robert J Sakimano** Wed Jan 08, 2020 1:06 pm

watched a couple of clips of the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator celebrating the attacks on US troops in Iraq.. one thing is clear to me:

he has a serious drug problem.

his breathing very erratic, slurred speech. Confusion.

I bring this up in the 2020 election thread because I don't think there is any way he will participate in a presidential debate this year (provided that he hasn't gone on to be with the lord by then).. I don't see anyway his handlers and Putin will allow him to stand next to a normally functioning adult looking the presenting himself the way he does.

by Banks2Mason Wed Jan 08, 2020 1:13 pm

Robert J Sakimano wrote:watched a couple of clips of the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator celebrating the attacks on US troops in Iraq.. one thing is clear to me:

he has a serious drug problem.

his breathing very erratic, slurred speech. Confusion.

I bring this up in the 2020 election thread because I don't think there is any way he will participate in a presidential debate this year (provided that he hasn't gone on to be with the lord by then).. I don't see anyway his handlers and Putin will allow him to stand next to a normally functioning adult looking the presenting himself the way he does.

he performed like that last time and still won

by **Robert J Sakimano** Wed Jan 08, 2020 1:17 pm

Banks2Mason wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:watched a couple of clips of the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator celebrating the attacks on US troops in Iraq.. one thing is clear to me:

he has a serious drug problem.

his breathing very erratic, slurred speech. Confusion.

I bring this up in the 2020 election thread because I don't think there is any way he will participate in a presidential debate this year (provided that he hasn't gone on to be with the lord by then).. I don't see anyway his handlers and Putin will allow him to stand next to a normally functioning adult looking the presenting himself the way he does.

he performed like that last time and still won

a) America is a stupid country, so you're right.

b) his symptoms associated with drug addiction, as bad as they were, seemed to have gotten measurably worse since then.

by Banks2Mason Wed Jan 08, 2020 1:23 pm

[quote="Robert J Sakimano"][quote="Banks2Mason"]

you've gotta take a lot of knock off speed to stay awake 6 or 7 hours a day like he does

by **Floyd Robertson** Fri Jan 10, 2020 12:57 pm

Marianne Williamson announced she was dropping out.

Yeah, same thing I thought. She hadn't done that already?

by **DWags** Fri Jan 10, 2020 1:00 pm

Floyd Robertson wrote:Marianne Williamson announced she was dropping out.

Yeah, same thing I thought. She hadn't done that already?

I always liked her better than Ginger. I'd have done her way before Ginger. BTW, what is she dropping out of? I'm just glad she's not dead. She has to be in her early 70's by now.

by **tGreenWay** Fri Jan 10, 2020 2:01 pm

Oh darn, I really thought she had a chance.

by **tGreenWay** Fri Jan 10, 2020 2:03 pm

Also, Marianne > Betty > Ginger >>>> Wilma >>>> Williamson

by **Floyd Robertson** Sat Jan 11, 2020 12:58 pm

Scary stuff, Americans selling their social media accounts to Russian trolls.

exploit a hole in Facebook’s ban on foreigners buying political ads, paying American users to hand over personal pages and setting up offshore bank accounts to cover their financial tracks

‘Chaos Is the Point’: Russian Hackers and Trolls Grow Stealthier in 2020

by **Travis of the Cosmos** Sat Jan 11, 2020 2:41 pm

Russia I will sell you my Travis of the cosmos account. Please PM me. I have the largest friends list on the swill.

by **Floyd Robertson** Mon Jan 13, 2020 11:44 am

Booker. Out.

by **GRR Spartan** Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:18 am

Things are getting dodgy for Trump when he’s claiming credit for the ACA and saying Democrats want to eliminate pre-existing conditions protections.

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