Re: The 2020 Presidential campaign.

by **Robert J Sakimano** Tue 14 Jan 2020 - 10:28

GRR Spartan wrote:Things are getting dodgy for Trump when he’s claiming credit for the ACA and saying Democrats want to eliminate pre-existing conditions protections.

saw somewhere that last week the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator took credit for a drop in cancer rates..

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by **steveschneider** Tue 14 Jan 2020 - 10:50

Sanders coming on strong last couple of months and Warren on the attack.

Looks like Sanders will win Iowa and finish in the stop in New Hampshire. Then comes Nevada and South Carolina where Biden should win.

March 3rd is Super Tuesday. Will be interesting to see how Bernie does in Califonria. If he can actually expand the younger voter turnout look out. He's towards the top in California. I still think Biden wins it, I have my doubts that this guy can actually get young kids out to the polls but we shall see.

by **Rocinante** Tue 14 Jan 2020 - 12:29

I think you can’t predict Iowa yet. The caucuses are a weird beast. Any one of the top four could win.

by Banks2Mason Tue 14 Jan 2020 - 12:50

Rocinante wrote:I think you can’t predict Iowa yet. The caucuses are a weird beast. Any one of the top four could win.

gotta be honest, i'm pretty happy with old white folks in an iowa living room deciding my presidential candidates.

by **steveschneider** Tue 14 Jan 2020 - 13:18

Rocinante wrote:I think you can’t predict Iowa yet. The caucuses are a weird beast. Any one of the top four could win.

Yeah, just saw Biden supposedly jumped back in the lead. A few weeks ago Mayor Pete was a lock to win it.

by **Floyd Robertson** Tue 14 Jan 2020 - 13:28

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
GRR Spartan wrote:Things are getting dodgy for Trump when he’s claiming credit for the ACA and saying Democrats want to eliminate pre-existing conditions protections.
saw somewhere that last week the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator took credit for a drop in cancer rates..

I had not heard that cancer drop claim. There is nothing Trump won't lie about. Sadly, 35% of American will believe him.

Fact Check: No, Trump Didn't Cure Cancer

If I was fact checker, I'd just tell everyone, "look, whatever Trump says, the opposite will be true" and go on vacation for the rest of his presidency.

by **steveschneider** Wed 15 Jan 2020 - 9:51

Bernie fans hell bent on making Warren out to be a liar. It's weird to watch them go on attack against a women when one speaks out about Bernie.

by **Jake from State Farm** Wed 15 Jan 2020 - 9:58

steveschneider wrote:Bernie fans hell bent on making Warren out to be a liar. It's weird to watch them go on attack against a women when one speaks out about Bernie.

I thought that was Trump's forte.

by **steveschneider** Wed 15 Jan 2020 - 9:59

Jake from State Farm wrote:
steveschneider wrote:Bernie fans hell bent on making Warren out to be a liar. It's weird to watch them go on attack against a women when one speaks out about Bernie.

I thought that was Trump's forte.

Bernie definitely has an internet mob. I guess good for him because it's probably necessary in a campaign. You need internet thugs to shut down your opponents on social media.

by **Other Teams Pursuing That** Wed 15 Jan 2020 - 10:12

After watching the debate last night i do not think any of them stand a chance vs trump unfortunately

by **steveschneider** Wed 15 Jan 2020 - 10:14

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:After watching the debate last night i do not think any of them stand a chance vs trump unfortunately

I still believe in polls, and I disagree. He's the most historically unpopular president of our life times. If dems expand their base (which should happen) in 2020 they win.

by AvgMSUJoe Wed 15 Jan 2020 - 10:25

steveschneider wrote:Bernie fans hell bent on making Warren out to be a liar. It's weird to watch them go on attack against a women when one speaks out about Bernie.

It's disconcerting that they attack the candidate the most ideologically aligned with him too. Most are definitely on a "team" ala trumpets.

by AvgMSUJoe Wed 15 Jan 2020 - 10:29

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:After watching the debate last night i do not think any of them stand a chance vs trump unfortunately

We have a long long time before that is a concern. The damn primary season seems like it lasts decades after they start... and I believe it will be a season that will go all the way to the convention. Once the actual nominee's commercials come out, that is when this should be reassessed.

by **Jake from State Farm** Wed 15 Jan 2020 - 10:43

Did they do away with Super Delegates or can Hillary still get into this at the beginning of July and win it?

by **Robert J Sakimano** Wed 15 Jan 2020 - 10:45

people watch these debate things??

by **NigelUno** Wed 15 Jan 2020 - 10:50

Robert J Sakimano wrote:people watch these debate things??

by **Robert J Sakimano** Wed 15 Jan 2020 - 11:02

NigelUno wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:people watch these debate things??

it's mind-boggling to me that people would watch these things.. they're not even 'debates'. They're just mainstream media manufactured events to pit people against each other so they'll have something to keep distracting America from until the next 'debate'.

America is a stupid country.

by **steveschneider** Wed 15 Jan 2020 - 12:12

Looks like Warren is a Snake is trending on twitter and seeing a lot of male lefties like Shaun King and Michael Moore trash her in very long and direct posts about her. Thought we'd learn a thing or two about misogyny since 2016 but apparently not.

by **Robert J Sakimano** Wed 15 Jan 2020 - 12:24

steveschneider wrote:Looks like Warren is a Snake is trending on twitter and seeing a lot of male lefties like Shaun King and Michael Moore trash her in very long and direct posts about her. Thought we'd learn a thing or two about misogyny since 2016 but apparently not.

she should smile more.

by Banks2Mason Wed 15 Jan 2020 - 12:25

AvgMSUJoe wrote:
Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:After watching the debate last night i do not think any of them stand a chance vs trump unfortunately

We have a long long time before that is a concern. The damn primary season seems like it lasts decades after they start... and I believe it will be a season that will go all the way to the convention. Once the actual nominee's commercials come out, that is when this should be reassessed.

i hope people are not insane and just fucking back whoever gets the nom against trump. it's not fucking rocket science.

by **Robert J Sakimano** Wed 15 Jan 2020 - 12:29

Banks2Mason wrote:
AvgMSUJoe wrote:

We have a long long time before that is a concern. The damn primary season seems like it lasts decades after they start... and I believe it will be a season that will go all the way to the convention. Once the actual nominee's commercials come out, that is when this should be reassessed.

i hope people are not insane and just fucking back whoever gets the nom against trump. it's not fucking rocket science.

it'll take a concerted effort for Democrats to overcome the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator, the deplorables.. the mainstream media, Russia, the bots.. etc.

it can be done - but people are going to have to turn off their televisions and be more deliberate about how they get their 'news'.

by Banks2Mason Wed 15 Jan 2020 - 12:34

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
Banks2Mason wrote:

i hope people are not insane and just fucking back whoever gets the nom against trump. it's not fucking rocket science.
it'll take a concerted effort for Democrats to overcome the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator, the deplorables.. the mainstream media, Russia, the bots.. etc.

it can be done - but people are going to have to turn off their televisions and be more deliberate about how they get their 'news'.

no one should need any "news."

just go vote for the other guy/gal. done.

by **Robert J Sakimano** Wed 15 Jan 2020 - 12:36

Banks2Mason wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:it'll take a concerted effort for Democrats to overcome the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator, the deplorables.. the mainstream media, Russia, the bots.. etc.

it can be done - but people are going to have to turn off their televisions and be more deliberate about how they get their 'news'.

no one should need any "news."

just go vote for the other guy/gal. done.

well, yeah.. but.. we're a stupid country.

by **Jake from State Farm** Wed 15 Jan 2020 - 12:40

Banks2Mason wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:it'll take a concerted effort for Democrats to overcome the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator, the deplorables.. the mainstream media, Russia, the bots.. etc.

it can be done - but people are going to have to turn off their televisions and be more deliberate about how they get their 'news'.

no one should need any "news."

just go vote for the other guy/gal. done.

Yep, vote for the party of gloom and doom or vote for Trump. Not too hard to figure out.

by Banks2Mason Wed 15 Jan 2020 - 12:43

Jake from State Farm wrote:
Banks2Mason wrote:

no one should need any "news."

just go vote for the other guy/gal. done.

Yep, vote for the party of gloom and doom or vote for Trump. Not too hard to figure out.

so you're suggesting voting for the party that refuses to acknowledge reality?

by **Jake from State Farm** Wed 15 Jan 2020 - 12:49

Banks2Mason wrote:
Jake from State Farm wrote:

Yep, vote for the party of gloom and doom or vote for Trump. Not too hard to figure out.

so you're suggesting voting for the party that refuses to acknowledge reality?

That would be the democratic party?

by Banks2Mason Wed 15 Jan 2020 - 12:55

Jake from State Farm wrote:
Banks2Mason wrote:

so you're suggesting voting for the party that refuses to acknowledge reality?

That would be the democratic party?

checks out. please get back to ignoring science, geopolitical realities and the like.

by **Jake from State Farm** Wed 15 Jan 2020 - 12:57

Banks2Mason wrote:
Jake from State Farm wrote:

That would be the democratic party?

checks out. please get back to ignoring science, geopolitical realities and the like.

Don't forget the economy, democrats love to say it's going into the crapper.

by Banks2Mason Wed 15 Jan 2020 - 13:10

Jake from State Farm wrote:
Banks2Mason wrote:

checks out. please get back to ignoring science, geopolitical realities and the like.

Don't forget the economy, democrats love to say it's going into the crapper.

if you think the economy is directly related to the actions of the sitting president, you're beyond help.

by **Jake from State Farm** Wed 15 Jan 2020 - 13:13

Banks2Mason wrote:
Jake from State Farm wrote:

Don't forget the economy, democrats love to say it's going into the crapper.

if you think the economy is directly related to the actions of the sitting president, you're beyond help.

Well alrighty then. Apparently you'd rather bring out the insults than you would have a discussion. Have fun in this thread all by yourself.

by **Robert J Sakimano** Wed 15 Jan 2020 - 13:37

by Banks2Mason Wed 15 Jan 2020 - 13:39

Jake from State Farm wrote:
Banks2Mason wrote:

if you think the economy is directly related to the actions of the sitting president, you're beyond help.

Well alrighty then. Apparently you'd rather bring out the insults than you would have a discussion. Have fun in this thread all by yourself.

what discussion? one party is going to run a senile, semi-literate criminal for president. who could possibly be worse?

EDIT: obviously a woman or minorty

by **Rocinante** Wed 15 Jan 2020 - 14:12

The economy is in a state that normally would almost guarantee reelection. However the income gap, stagnant wages, and huge deficit are not normal for an economy that is so “strong”. There is an economic message the Democrats can go with that will be a winner. But they have to do it, and only Bernie and Warren are right now. This is going to be a slog guys. Anyone who thinks it’s vital that this guy get ousted needs to do more than just vote for somebody else. Gotta get involved. Contact your local Dem party or go to moveon.org, or fairfight.org or any number of other left leaning groups working to get rid of the corrupt son of a bitch. The numbers don’t look great. He still has a coalition, he still has a SHITTON of money, he still has Russia trying to help him win again. It’s going to take a big number to beat him. And think what a Trump unconstrained by another election will do. Just imagine it for a minute.

by Banks2Mason Wed 15 Jan 2020 - 14:15

Rocinante wrote: And think what a Trump unconstrained by another election will do. Just imagine it for a minute.

eat two buckets of KFC for breakfast at 11am instead of just 1.5?

by **Rocinante** Wed 15 Jan 2020 - 14:36

If only.

by Banks2Mason Wed 15 Jan 2020 - 14:38

Rocinante wrote:If only.

keep in mind that his supporters believe that the only human on the planet capable of bankrupting multiple casinos is somehow responsible for the state of the US economy right now

by **Rocinante** Wed 15 Jan 2020 - 14:39

Banks2Mason wrote:
Rocinante wrote:If only.

keep in mind that his supporters believe that the only human on the planet capable of bankrupting multiple casinos is somehow responsible for the state of the US economy right now

I think that’s the wrong tree to bark up, honestly. 4 years in, it’s his economy.

by **Robert J Sakimano** Wed 15 Jan 2020 - 14:45

the fact that (a lot of) people believe the mainstream media/GOP narrative that the economy is booming is nothing short of predictable.

by Banks2Mason Wed 15 Jan 2020 - 14:47

Robert J Sakimano wrote:the fact that (a lot of) people believe the mainstream media/GOP narrative that the economy is booming is nothing short of predictable.

as you often say, bob, this is a stupid country.

that fact is that people essentially think that the DJIA is the sole measure of the economy and that the one guy in the white house is responsible for it, whether good or bad.

neither of those are remotely true.

by **Rocinante** Thu 23 Jan 2020 - 11:59

I’m still on the Warren train, but I don’t like this row with Bernie. I think it hurts both of them. And Hillary getting involved doesn’t help Warren one bit because after vitriol, you get a bunch of butthurt people who refuse to vote for the winner.

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