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Re: AS MICHIGAN STATE ALUMS WE HAVE A FUCKING VOICE - WE SHOULD USE IT
also there were the responses like "maybe you should worry more about MSU and the environment they've created than what random picture that's being used"...
yeah - and maybe they should understand the difference between intellectual honesty and a picture specifically meant to connect one horrific situation with a young man who died tragically that had nothing to do with each other.
yeah - and maybe they should understand the difference between intellectual honesty and a picture specifically meant to connect one horrific situation with a young man who died tragically that had nothing to do with each other.
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They are clumsy idiots, but at least he apologized and fixed it. It’s a step in the right direction.
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Robert J Sakimano wrote:also there were the responses like "maybe you should worry more about MSU and the environment they've created than what random picture that's being used"....
yeah - and maybe they should understand the difference between intellectual honesty and a picture specifically meant to connect one horrific situation with a young man who died tragically that had nothing to do with each other.
Well put.
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We’re in a bad spot. We all hate these scumbags at MSU and when we defend two men who I think are pretty damn good men we can come off as not caring about these victims.
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DWags wrote:We’re in a bad spot. We all hate these scumbags at MSU and when we defend two men who I think are pretty damn good men we can come off as not caring about these victims.
We only come off that way to people who lack any semblance of critical thinking skills.
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I am way beyond giving them the benefit of the doubt, they are supposed to be professionals and this, at best, is incompetence, oh, and the picture is still on twitter.steveschneider wrote:They are clumsy idiots, but at least he apologized and fixed it. It’s a step in the right direction.
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Do you mean the staff at BSPN?Da Mayor wrote:DWags wrote:We’re in a bad spot. We all hate these scumbags at MSU and when we defend two men who I think are pretty damn good men we can come off as not caring about these victims.
We only come off that way to people who lack any semblance of critical thinking skills.
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I wish I could say that about the BOT and the Administration, but they haven't apologized to anyone nor have the done much to fix things.steveschneider wrote:They are clumsy idiots, but at least he apologized and fixed it. It’s a step in the right direction.
I look back to the press conference a year ago when Hollis talked about kicking the players off the football team and firing the assistant coach. How he had fire and vim in his speech, talking about how that was not acceptable and how it wasn't just his athletic department but the community in which he lived and his children attended.
That was a leadership moment, and he is gone and I haven't really heard anyone at MSU make any bold statements that were assertive about making changes. Mainly it has been very quiet, I presume as the work on litigation and trying to get settlements, but most of what has been said has been uninformed at best, and non-reconcilatory or defensive at worst.
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Outside of the shots at ESPN (which I don't think can be argued were very well deserved), hasn't pretty much everything that Engler has said been informed, about making changes, and very conciliatory?Wally Fairway wrote:I wish I could say that about the BOT and the Administration, but they haven't apologized to anyone nor have the done much to fix things.steveschneider wrote:They are clumsy idiots, but at least he apologized and fixed it. It’s a step in the right direction.
I look back to the press conference a year ago when Hollis talked about kicking the players off the football team and firing the assistant coach. How he had fire and vim in his speech, talking about how that was not acceptable and how it wasn't just his athletic department but the community in which he lived and his children attended.
That was a leadership moment, and he is gone and I haven't really heard anyone at MSU make any bold statements that were assertive about making changes. Mainly it has been very quiet, I presume as the work on litigation and trying to get settlements, but most of what has been said has been uninformed at best, and non-reconcilatory or defensive at worst.
His regular updates via e-mail have usually been about the victims, the pain that this has caused them and the community, steps that MSU is taking to work with investigators and steps that MSU is taking moving forward.
Even in his back and forth with Murphy, he owned the fact that we had Nassar, while also talking about how the University is implementing changes with the goal to set a new standard for safety from any and all sexual assault and violence.
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This dude is all in there now (on Twitter), which basically means everybody needs to assume a non-aggressive posture. He's really pushing the "systematic" agenda and extending it into football/basketball.
(just a photo, not an actual link)
(just a photo, not an actual link)
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I.B. Fine wrote:I am way beyond giving them the benefit of the doubt, they are supposed to be professionals and this, at best, is incompetence, oh, and the picture is still on twitter.steveschneider wrote:They are clumsy idiots, but at least he apologized and fixed it. It’s a step in the right direction.
Yeah, I agree. It’s a pretty incompetent organization and they’ve been very callous about conflating Izzo/Dantonio with Nassar. Dwags made a good tweet, last time Murphy fucked up he tried to get Bristol to fix an error and it took time. I’m glad Dantonio spoke out it’s infuriating they’d use that image.
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Never saw this picture before....maybe I just missed it.
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murphy. The ESPN reporter and tweeter of today. with his M memorabilia on display.Rocinante wrote:Who is that?
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No way that guy is a sportswriter ....
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Again ESPN has created a huge distraction around a disturbing story involving MSU. I didn’t see one person “deflecting” until they trolled the fan base. Here’s a simple idea for ESPN. When you write a story about Nassar use a pic of Nassar. When you write a story about Strampel use a pic of Strampel.
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Rocinante wrote:Who is that?
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steveschneider wrote:Again ESPN has created a huge distraction around a disturbing story involving MSU. I didn’t see one person “deflecting” until they trolled the fan base. Here’s a simple idea for ESPN. When you write a story about Nassar use a pic of Nassar. When you write a story about Strampel use a pic of Strampel.
yeah but that's boooooooooring. who would click on that???
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If you've dug into this at all, Murphy did not select that photo with the tweet. It was automatically generated. Not that he deserves the benefit of the doubt by any means....but check out MSU Alum @WorldofIsaac 's timeline for information on how that works.
To think this one through...Murphy could have taken it down, but he didn't. I'm guessing not his decision to leave it up.
To think this one through...Murphy could have taken it down, but he didn't. I'm guessing not his decision to leave it up.
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WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:If you've dug into this at all, Murphy did not select that photo with the tweet. It was automatically generated. Not that he deserves the benefit of the doubt by any means....but check out MSU Alum @WorldofIsaac 's timeline for information on how that works.
To think this one through...Murphy could have taken it down, but he didn't. I'm guessing not his decision to leave it up.
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Took some time this morning and created a new ESPN picture for this thread and any time those people want to comment on us.
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LooseGoose wrote:Took some time this morning and created a new ESPN picture for this thread and any time those people want to comment on us.
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LooseGoose wrote:Took some time this morning and created a new ESPN picture for this thread and any time those people want to comment on us.
Hahahaha! Good stuff!
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WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:If you've dug into this at all, Murphy did not select that photo with the tweet. It was automatically generated. Not that he deserves the benefit of the doubt by any means....but check out MSU Alum @WorldofIsaac 's timeline for information on how that works.
To think this one through...Murphy could have taken it down, but he didn't. I'm guessing not his decision to leave it up.
The only thing I have to say about that is I have to believe someone signed off on the photo. I buy that it wasn't Dan, but I can't imagine that a news organization when they run a sensitive story would leave it to chance as to what photo is used for the story. It just seems like a recipe for disaster.
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I believe Isaac in terms of how it works, and I believe Murphy that he did not select the photo - it's a cached Twitter thing that I don't truly understand.
I also believe Murphy probably went to his superiors and said should we delete the Tweet and they said nah, leave it up. It appears that someone who works at Twitter finally changed it hours later if you follow the Tweet trail.
I also believe Murphy probably went to his superiors and said should we delete the Tweet and they said nah, leave it up. It appears that someone who works at Twitter finally changed it hours later if you follow the Tweet trail.
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LooseGoose wrote:Took some time this morning and created a new ESPN picture for this thread and any time those people want to comment on us.
"whoops! that pic was auto generated. our bad. we'll call somebody, somewhere, and have it taken down. sincerely apologize if you were offended or something like that and whatnot. anyhoo, gotta run, ta-ta! Oh - don't fret if the offensive (that is, if you feel its offensive?) pic is up for 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 hours or so. just know that we're on it, k? k. bai."
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FIFYsteveschneider wrote:WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:If you've dug into this at all, Murphy did not select that photo with the tweet. It was automatically generated. Not that he deserves the benefit of the doubt by any means....but check out MSU Alum @WorldofIsaac 's timeline for information on how that works.
To think this one through...Murphy could have taken it down, but he didn't. I'm guessing not his decision to leave it up.
The only thing I have to say about that is I have to believe someone signed off on the photo. I buy that it wasn't Dan, but I can't imagine that a competent news organization when they run a sensitive story would leave it to chance as to what photo is used for the story. It just seems like a recipe for disaster.
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I believe this is the correct size if anyone else wants to use it.
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I pout it on twitter. Should be running. Thanks goose.
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WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:I believe Isaac in terms of how it works, and I believe Murphy that he did not select the photo - it's a cached Twitter thing that I don't truly understand.
I also believe Murphy probably went to his superiors and said should we delete the Tweet and they said nah, leave it up. It appears that someone who works at Twitter finally changed it hours later if you follow the Tweet trail.
I don't know how the process works, but I'm sure there are a 1000s ways to NOT have a MSU Football picture show up on a non-MSU Football related story.
Come on hatch...
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I don't think Isaac said it's a cached twitter thing (at least not where the automation was on behalf of twitter). He said that the writer or editor would have uploaded the image when they wrote the story. Yes, it may be an auto-generated photo, but auto-generated from ESPN's link to the article. Isaac may be calling it an accident (and he is only guessing, as he doesn't know), but somewhere at ESPN that photo was tied to the article. Even if, hypothetically, it's only on the backend, and they didn't publish it with the article at any point.WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:I believe Isaac in terms of how it works, and I believe Murphy that he did not select the photo - it's a cached Twitter thing that I don't truly understand.
I also believe Murphy probably went to his superiors and said should we delete the Tweet and they said nah, leave it up. It appears that someone who works at Twitter finally changed it hours later if you follow the Tweet trail.
Hypothetically, if it was some cached twitter thing what would it have caused it to be pulled from the tag? The text of the tweet didn't mention MSU football. The article didn't mention MSU football. If MSU's football field was pulled up from a cache because Michigan State was mentioned, then it would also get pulled when there are tweets about basketball. And with other schools, too. ESPN tweets about Florida baseball, and a photo of UF basketball comes up. I'm sure that happens. Or not. Yeah, definitely not.
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Well the point is they probably weren't intentionally trying to use a picture of a Mike Sadler tribute. They definitely were trying to tie it to a MSU football/athletics image and that is the one that came up.
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What the hell is going on now?
STATEMENT ON STUDENT SOCIAL MEDIA POST (MARCH 28, 2018)
One of the university’s core values is inclusion, to have a campus environment that fosters free speech and the sharing of ideas and beliefs. However, we do not condone racial harassment or bullying. The university is aware of the recent social media posts connected to an MSU student. As a public institution, we do not get to control what every member of our community says. What was said is clearly not aligned with our Spartan values. We are addressing this situation through multiple channels, and we are using it as an opportunity to keep a conversation about race and inclusion ongoing.
--Emily Guerrant, MSU Spokesperson
STATEMENT ON STUDENT SOCIAL MEDIA POST (MARCH 28, 2018)
One of the university’s core values is inclusion, to have a campus environment that fosters free speech and the sharing of ideas and beliefs. However, we do not condone racial harassment or bullying. The university is aware of the recent social media posts connected to an MSU student. As a public institution, we do not get to control what every member of our community says. What was said is clearly not aligned with our Spartan values. We are addressing this situation through multiple channels, and we are using it as an opportunity to keep a conversation about race and inclusion ongoing.
--Emily Guerrant, MSU Spokesperson
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Something about a girl spouting racist stuff and not being expelled? MSU is getting ripped on Twitter. She must have said something horrible.
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DWags wrote:Something about a girl spouting racist stuff and not being expelled? MSU is getting ripped on Twitter. She must have said something horrible.
Multiple uses of the N word......it was all over Twitter this morning.
I'm guessing drunk and stupid on break somewhere....are they on break now?
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Doing some catching up this afternoon.LooseGoose wrote:Took some time this morning and created a new ESPN picture for this thread and any time those people want to comment on us.
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LooseGoose wrote:DWags wrote:Something about a girl spouting racist stuff and not being expelled? MSU is getting ripped on Twitter. She must have said something horrible.
Multiple uses of the N word......it was all over Twitter this morning.
I'm guessing drunk and stupid on break somewhere....are they on break now?
Nope. Two weeks back.
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