More Bull shit: Detroit news doing huge expose on Dantonio Blackwell and sex scandal.

Heathens in the house bringin' his Shakespearean prose..

what up, dude? Good to see ya here.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:Heathens in the house bringin' his Shakespearean prose..
what up, dude? Good to see ya here.

Bob...... Please don’t scare the guests.

I think it was last Friday bros

Nordic wrote:Front page on the rag sitting next to me in the sauna. Still not reading it. I assume it is mostly rehased stuff from 2016 and Blackwell whinning to promote his lawsuit. As OTPY pointed out, the only reason this is in the news is because Dantonio is testifying Friday. I'll tune in then.

I think it's mostly rehashed. But the stuff about the "jury" admissions process was new to me. I think we had all heard (from Hondo?) that Hollis was against Robertson being admitted (and most of us wondered why Hollis would have anything to do with that), but if the story is true how they subverted the normal admissions process (and Beekman was part of it and voted to admit Robertson), that's a new (disturbing) wrinkle.

If the admissions director got fired for it (which is somewhat implied...and he should have been), then it seems like he alone took the fall. If he was influenced by other folks to subvert the process, that's a problem (and not a small one in my opinion).

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:I think it was last Friday bros

I believe you're correct.

DWags wrote:

NigelUno wrote:

I think it's mostly rehashed. But the stuff about the "jury" admissions process was new to me. I think we had all heard (from Hondo?) that Hollis was against Robertson being admitted (and most of us wondered why Hollis would have anything to do with that), but if the story is true how they subverted the normal admissions process (and Beekman was part of it and voted to admit Robertson), that's a new (disturbing) wrinkle.

If the admissions director got fired for it (which is somewhat implied...and he should have been), then it seems like he alone took the fall. If he was influenced by other folks to subvert the process, that's a problem (and not a small one in my opinion).

Can somebody tell me why does this have anything to do with Blackwell's suit? I'm still confused about that. Lord this guy will not stop now. If you know him, I'm telling you, he cares as much about destroying people as he does about money. This is like watching a team you hate the most, getting blatant calls by officials right down the field, and replay clearly shows they are wrong, but they're going to keep going and score with 13 guys on the field 5 seconds after time had run out, while tackling your defensive linemen, and then they'll celebrate in your face after the victory.

There are parts of the article that are lawsuit related, but the admissions process obviously isn't one of them.

I'm guessing there are a few people that wish it wasn't in the story.

kingstonlake wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:Heathens in the house bringin' his Shakespearean prose..
what up, dude? Good to see ya here.

Bob...... Please don’t scare the guests.

Me and Heathens go way back. Good dude..

he also enjoyed typing.

Banks2Mason wrote:

NigelUno wrote:

I don't think Beekman was a Hollis lackey.

They had differing views on Robertson's admission.

ok, whatever. promoting from within, promoting and MSU lifer, whatever you want to call it.

It was done by interim president who should have never been in the position. Still blows me away that former fat ass governor with a horrible record on education was appointed. Failure all around.

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NigelUno wrote:

DWags wrote:

Can somebody tell me why does this have anything to do with Blackwell's suit? I'm still confused about that. Lord this guy will not stop now. If you know him, I'm telling you, he cares as much about destroying people as he does about money. This is like watching a team you hate the most, getting blatant calls by officials right down the field, and replay clearly shows they are wrong, but they're going to keep going and score with 13 guys on the field 5 seconds after time had run out, while tackling your defensive linemen, and then they'll celebrate in your face after the victory.

There are parts of the article that are lawsuit related, but the admissions process obviously isn't one of them.

I'm guessing there are a few people that wish it wasn't in the story.

It doesn't. But depositions aren't trials. They can ask whatever and Blackwell's (multiply sanctioned) lawyers can ask whatever they want and leak same to the press. That's their whole game at this point.

Nigel doesn't know wtf he's talking about legally.

Banks2Mason wrote:

NigelUno wrote:

There are parts of the article that are lawsuit related, but the admissions process obviously isn't one of them.

I'm guessing there are a few people that wish it wasn't in the story.

It doesn't. But depositions aren't trials. They can ask whatever and Blackwell's (multiply sanctioned) lawyers can ask whatever they want and leak same to the press. That's their whole game at this point.

Nigel doesn't know wtf he's talking about legally.

This. It is no coincidence that this is coming out this week. You can very well bet Blackwell's lawyers are feeding the press info...true or not.

Nordic wrote:

Banks2Mason wrote:

It doesn't. But depositions aren't trials. They can ask whatever and Blackwell's (multiply sanctioned) lawyers can ask whatever they want and leak same to the press. That's their whole game at this point.

Nigel doesn't know wtf he's talking about legally.

This. It is no coincidence that this is coming out this week. You can very well bet Blackwell's lawyers are feeding the press info...true or not.

yep. given his record, it's almost surprising that blackwell's lawyer hasn't been disbarred yet. he's flagrantly violated explicit court orders on numerous occasions (including in this specific case).

he could ask Dantonio whether he believed the earth was flat and then leak his answer to the press.

Banks2Mason wrote:

NigelUno wrote:

There are parts of the article that are lawsuit related, but the admissions process obviously isn't one of them.

I'm guessing there are a few people that wish it wasn't in the story.

It doesn't. But depositions aren't trials. They can ask whatever and Blackwell's (multiply sanctioned) lawyers can ask whatever they want and leak same to the press. That's their whole game at this point.

Nigel doesn't know wtf he's talking about legally.

You seem to have a knack for misinterpreting what I say.

I specifically said the admissions process part of the article (which is what I've been commenting on) wasn't related to the lawsuit.

I NEVER said that part would be bad (legally) for Dantonio, MSU, or anyone else related to Blackwell winning a lawsuit.

It's bad for other reasons (which I think are very apparent). I can explain them again if you'd like.

Nordic wrote:

Banks2Mason wrote:

It doesn't. But depositions aren't trials. They can ask whatever and Blackwell's (multiply sanctioned) lawyers can ask whatever they want and leak same to the press. That's their whole game at this point.

Nigel doesn't know wtf he's talking about legally.

This. It is no coincidence that this is coming out this week. You can very well bet Blackwell's lawyers are feeding the press info...true or not.

Whatever you think regarding Blackwell and his attorney, if the story about the subverted admissions process is true...that's a problem (outside the lawsuit) for some people.

DWags wrote:

NigelUno wrote:

I think it's mostly rehashed.  But the stuff about the "jury" admissions process was new to me.  I think we had all heard (from Hondo?) that Hollis was against Robertson being admitted (and most of us wondered why Hollis would have anything to do with that), but if the story is true how they subverted the normal admissions process (and Beekman was part of it and voted to admit Robertson), that's a new (disturbing) wrinkle.  

If the admissions director got fired for it (which is somewhat implied...and he should have been), then it seems like he alone took the fall.  If he was influenced by other folks to subvert the process, that's a problem (and not a small one in my opinion).  

Can somebody tell me why does this have anything to do with Blackwell's suit?   I'm still confused about that.  Lord this guy will not stop now.  If you know him, I'm telling you, he cares as much about destroying people as he does about money.  This is like watching a team you hate the most, getting blatant calls by officials right down the field, and replay clearly shows they are wrong, but they're going to keep going and score with 13 guys on the field 5 seconds after time had run out, while tackling your defensive linemen, and then they'll celebrate in your face after the victory.  

No offense but this is a really bad analogy. You complain about Blackwell repeatedly. It’s not like he showed up in Dantonios office and said “I work here now”. He was hired by Dantonio. As far as the bad call analogy, that’s pretty tone deaf. I’d venture that the assault and rape victims might feel like they were on an unlevel  playing field.

We can throw character bombs all day at Blackwell deserved or not. Probably deserved. But the fact remains It was a Dantonio decision to bring a shady enabler on campus to help win football games.

You can’t jump out of the boat then complain about getting wet.

kingstonlake wrote:

DWags wrote:

Can somebody tell me why does this have anything to do with Blackwell's suit?   I'm still confused about that.  Lord this guy will not stop now.  If you know him, I'm telling you, he cares as much about destroying people as he does about money.  This is like watching a team you hate the most, getting blatant calls by officials right down the field, and replay clearly shows they are wrong, but they're going to keep going and score with 13 guys on the field 5 seconds after time had run out, while tackling your defensive linemen, and then they'll celebrate in your face after the victory.  

No offense but this is a really bad analogy. You complain about Blackwell repeatedly. It’s not like he showed up in Dantonios office and said “I work here now”. He was hired by Dantonio. As far as the bad call analogy, that’s pretty tone deaf. I’d venture that the assault and rape victims might feel like they were on an unlevel  playing field.

We can throw character bombs all day at Blackwell deserved or not. Probably deserved. But the fact remains It was a Dantonio decision to bring a shady enabler on campus to help win football games.

You can’t jump out of the boat then complain about getting wet.

Agreed. He was a HS football recruiting dude in Detroit. that description alone pretty much says he was shady. it worked for a bit and then it didn't.

Banks, are we still having a JacksonMikeSCM memorial this year?

NigelUno wrote:

Nordic wrote:

This. It is no coincidence that this is coming out this week. You can very well bet Blackwell's lawyers are feeding the press info...true or not.

Whatever you think regarding Blackwell and his attorney, if the story about the subverted admissions process is true...that's a problem (outside the lawsuit) for some people.

Right now you are only getting one side of the story. Blackwell's team are saying shit to the media, whether it is relevant to his case or not, to paint MSU as the bad guy and him as the hero. If this info was came out not on the heels of the lawsuit, it would give it more credence. I tend to take this type of reporting with a grain of salt.

I'm going to say it again just because it pisses me off. Unbelievable that a guy who openly obstructed a rape investigation has the nerve to sue for wrongful termination when he wasn't even terminated.

Saddest part is I'm starting to think he has a chance of winning.

It's beyond fucked up.

duffy munn wrote:I'm going to say it again just because it pisses me off. Unbelievable that a guy who openly obstructed a rape investigation has the nerve to sue for wrongful termination when he wasn't even terminated.

Saddest part is I'm starting to think he has a chance of winning.

It's beyond fucked up.

If he openly obstructed a rape investigation he will not win a wrongful termination suit.

duffy munn wrote:I'm going to say it again just because it pisses me off. Unbelievable that a guy who openly obstructed a rape investigation has the nerve to sue for wrongful termination when he wasn't even terminated.

Saddest part is I'm starting to think he has a chance of winning.

It's beyond fucked up.

If he wins what does that say? We were supposed to keep a guy that openly obstructed rape investigation employed? Imagine the shit the Det Media would write if we did that. I'm starting to feel like there's no way you can do anything right in this mess.

kingstonlake wrote:

duffy munn wrote:I'm going to say it again just because it pisses me off. Unbelievable that a guy who openly obstructed a rape investigation has the nerve to sue for wrongful termination when he wasn't even terminated.

Saddest part is I'm starting to think he has a chance of winning.

It's beyond fucked up.

If he openly obstructed a rape investigation he will not win a wrongful termination suit.

Poor choice of words by me saying openly. I hope your right and the case gets thrown out but I'm having doubts. I just don't get how one can be wrongly terminated when he wasn't even terminated.

duffy munn wrote:

kingstonlake wrote:

If he openly obstructed a rape investigation he will not win a wrongful termination suit.

Poor choice of words by me saying openly. I hope your right and the case gets thrown out but I'm having doubts. I just don't get how one can be wrongly terminated when he wasn't even terminated.

Was his contract up and it wasn’t renewed? I’m asking because i don’t know.

steveschneider wrote:

duffy munn wrote:I'm going to say it again just because it pisses me off. Unbelievable that a guy who openly obstructed a rape investigation has the nerve to sue for wrongful termination when he wasn't even terminated.

Saddest part is I'm starting to think he has a chance of winning.

It's beyond fucked up.

If he wins what does that say? We were supposed to keep a guy that openly obstructed rape investigation employed? Imagine the shit the Det Media would write if we did that. I'm starting to feel like there's no way you can do anything right in this mess.

If this case is thrown out it will be buried on page 10 by the Detroit media. If Blackwell some how wins if will be bold on page one, villify Dantonio and make CB into some kind of hero.

kingstonlake wrote:

duffy munn wrote:

Poor choice of words by me saying openly. I hope your right and the case gets thrown out but I'm having doubts. I just don't get how one can be wrongly terminated when he wasn't even terminated.

Was his contract up and it wasn’t renewed? I’m asking because i don’t know.

Yes

Nordic wrote:

NigelUno wrote:

Whatever you think regarding Blackwell and his attorney, if the story about the subverted admissions process is true...that's a problem (outside the lawsuit) for some people.

Right now you are only getting one side of the story. Blackwell's team are saying shit to the media, whether it is relevant to his case or not, to paint MSU as the bad guy and him as the hero. If this info was came out not on the heels of the lawsuit, it would give it more credence. I tend to take this type of reporting with a grain of salt.

I said...if true.

But, it would seem like an incredible story for Blackwell (or his attorney) to make up. They named names. And how people voted. And the Admissions Director did lose his job. Was that the reason? (He should have, if the story is true)

I never heard any of that (other than vague references by Hondo regarding Hollis).

Again..if true...the Admissions Director voted yes (to admit Robertson), Beekman voted yes, and the MSU Police Chief voted yes.

Separate from the lawsuit...this is an incredibly bad look for those people.

Don’t really care about the lawsuit and Blackwell. Just hope MSU gets it shit together eventually and learns from this.

NigelUno wrote:

Nordic wrote:

Right now you are only getting one side of the story. Blackwell's team are saying shit to the media, whether it is relevant to his case or not, to paint MSU as the bad guy and him as the hero. If this info was came out not on the heels of the lawsuit, it would give it more credence. I tend to take this type of reporting with a grain of salt.

I said...if true.

But, it would seem like an incredible story for Blackwell (or his attorney) to make up. They named names. And how people voted. And the Admissions Director did lose his job. Was that the reason? (He should have, if the story is true)

I never heard any of that (other than vague references by Hondo regarding Hollis).

Again..if true...the Admissions Director voted yes (to admit Robertson), Beekman voted yes, and the MSU Police Chief voted yes.

Separate from the lawsuit...this is an incredibly bad look for those people.

The football coach also voted yes

duffy munn wrote:I'm going to say it again just because it pisses me off. Unbelievable that a guy who openly obstructed a rape investigation has the nerve to sue for wrongful termination when he wasn't even terminated.

Saddest part is I'm starting to think he has a chance of winning.

It's beyond fucked up.

I think it would depend if it was a jury trial or not. I'm not sure if it is or not.

(I think he would have a better chance with a jury as opposed to a judge.)

duffy munn wrote:

kingstonlake wrote:

Was his contract up and it wasn’t renewed? I’m asking because i don’t know.

Yes

Which makes this all the more fucked up. It wasn't renewed <> terminated.

duffy munn wrote:

steveschneider wrote:

If he wins what does that say? We were supposed to keep a guy that openly obstructed rape investigation employed? Imagine the shit the Det Media would write if we did that. I'm starting to feel like there's no way you can do anything right in this mess.

If this case is thrown out it will be buried on page 10 by the Detroit media. If Blackwell some how wins if will be bold on page one, villify Dantonio and make CB into some kind of hero.

MSU in disarray is a story that the Det Media will always print. CMU used to have riots that made it to CNN after the Western Michigan games. You never hear about those anymore. Town had to completely crack down but that story is history now. MSU riots gets brought up every anniversary.

MSU had cockroaches in Shaw and it was a big story in the paper. Spare me. Roaches? I guarantee buildings at UofM, Harvard, MIT, Yale have had cockroaches.

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:

NigelUno wrote:

I said...if true.

But, it would seem like an incredible story for Blackwell (or his attorney) to make up. They named names. And how people voted. And the Admissions Director did lose his job. Was that the reason? (He should have, if the story is true)

I never heard any of that (other than vague references by Hondo regarding Hollis).

Again..if true...the Admissions Director voted yes (to admit Robertson), Beekman voted yes, and the MSU Police Chief voted yes.

Separate from the lawsuit...this is an incredibly bad look for those people.

The football coach also voted yes

Correct. I think his culpability has been established. But, he certainly should face additional scrutiny for being part of a subverted admissions process.

Maybe this goes on all the time with admissions. I don't know.

Poor MSU. They are the victim.

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:Poor MSU. They are the victim.

Just saying the Detroit Media has their own bag of bullshit too.

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:Poor MSU. They are the victim.

In this case Blackwell, the guy who obstructed a rape investigation, tried to intimidate the person that was allegedly raped and didn't have his contract renewed is the victim.

And he should probably get paid because Dantonio took a huge gamble on Robertson and it backfired in a huge way.

But I digress.

steveschneider wrote:

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:Poor MSU. They are the victim.

Just saying the Detroit Media has their own bag of bullshit too.

Sounds like some deflecting whataboutism to me.

And voted yes to what?

There was a laundry list of conditions that Robertson had to agree to including classes/supervision working with Ingram County that were included in the vote.

They all turned out to be wrong and Robertson fell off the wagon. Blackwell was a major factor in getting Corley and Vance to sign. Should he be held to that standard?

Blackwell’s attorney is working with Tony Paul to give him “scoops”. Might be behind the scenes but Tony Paul is being fed just like Lynn Hennings reporting on the Tigers for decades.

This is a campaign. Today there is a piece on Corley giving him a platform to say he was cornered into making a plea. Who was advising him right after one of the acts he was charged?

Blackwell, who didn’t follow university rules and report it to the Athletic Office or his direct supervisors including Dantonio. The backbone of any MSU defense in the civil case Blackwell has filed is Blackwell didn’t get his contract renewed because he didn’t follow procedures in this instance and many others.

duffy munn wrote:I'm going to say it again just because it pisses me off. Unbelievable that a guy who openly obstructed a rape investigation has the nerve to sue for wrongful termination when he wasn't even terminated.

Saddest part is I'm starting to think he has a chance of winning.

It's beyond fucked up.

no. he doesn't have "a chance of winning."

that's why he's trying the case in the press.

MSU has eaten loads of shit already. knowing their dumbass PR team, they'll settle NOW and both pay AND eat the bad press.