January 6th committee hearings

Trapper Gus wrote:

Rocinante wrote:Calling someone and them not answering isn’t tampering. Maybe it was attempted tampering but that’s not a crime. I don’t know if these proceedings are changing any minds, on the right, but all these fucking democrats praising Cheney make me sick. We’ve got the highest ratio ever now in our state R to D because all the fuckheads are crossing over to vote for her. At this point win or lose she will probably run for President and a ton of idiotic Dems will cross over and it will be morning in america again. If you don’t know what a disaster the Reagan years were… well read something.

Pretty sure that in Wyoming the Dems are voting against the MAGA candidates in the Primary and will vote Dem in the general.

(Also, she is running for the House, not the Senate, not that it makes a difference in Wyoming)

Also don't see Dems voting for her in the general Presidential in 2024.

Did I say she was running for Senate?

Rocinante wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

Pretty sure that in Wyoming the Dems are voting against the MAGA candidates in the Primary and will vote Dem in the general.

(Also, she is running for the House, not the Senate, not that it makes a difference in Wyoming)

Also don't see Dems voting for her in the general Presidential in 2024.

Did I say she was running for Senate?

So many times. 23 times in the last 24 hours to be exact.

Rocinante wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

Pretty sure that in Wyoming the Dems are voting against the MAGA candidates in the Primary and will vote Dem in the general.

(Also, she is running for the House, not the Senate, not that it makes a difference in Wyoming)

Also don't see Dems voting for her in the general Presidential in 2024.

Did I say she was running for Senate?

Dwags implied it. As I have been told, not everything is about you.

Not shocking in the least.

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Trump was schmoozing the FBI when he was running his company in NYC for favorable treatment like getting the current wife an EB-1 visa.

Wouldn’t be shocking to learn he was schmoozing some of Secret Service assigned to protect him.

GRR Spartan wrote:Trump was schmoozing the FBI when he was running his company in NYC for favorable treatment like getting the current wife an EB-1 visa.

Wouldn’t be shocking to learn he was schmoozing some of Secret Service assigned to protect him.

It's already been confirmed there are at least a couple SS agents that are Trumpsters and would possibly lie for him. As to whether or not he was providing them with additional funding for keeping records cleaned ....

Jake from State Farm wrote:

GRR Spartan wrote:Trump was schmoozing the FBI when he was running his company in NYC for favorable treatment like getting the current wife an EB-1 visa.

Wouldn’t be shocking to learn he was schmoozing some of Secret Service assigned to protect him.

It's already been confirmed there are at least a couple SS agents that are Trumpsters and would possibly lie for him. As to whether or not he was providing them with additional funding for keeping records cleaned ....

In NYC the FBI agents were schmoozed with dinner, bar tabs and hotel rooms at greatly reduced rates or never billed along with discounted leases for Trump Organization apartments.

In DC selected Secret Service would have been able to get similar favors. Not all but enough agents to screw with official records,

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In other Trump news, Ivana Trump, former President Trump’s first wife has died at 73.  Cause of death is being attributed to blunt force trauma to her  torso from a fall on the spiral staircase in her Manhattan apartment.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/15/ivana-trump-died-from-accident-blunt-impact-trauma-medical-examiner-rules.html



Surprised the wack squads aren’t calling for investigations into a coverup.

Where were the Clintons, GRR?

Turtleneck wrote:Where were the Clintons, GRR?

Eating pizza at Comet Ping Pong. HQ for all nefarious activities plotted by Democrats.

This guy seems normal.

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Pence's secret service detail were calling family to say goodbye. That's how serious they felt the situation was, that people whose job it is to lay down their lives for the VP, felt that they were going to have to do just that on that afternoon.

But they were just tourists.

MiamiSpartan wrote:Pence's secret service detail were calling family to say goodbye. That's how serious they felt the situation was, that people whose job it is to lay down their lives for the VP, felt that they were going to have to do just that on that afternoon.

But they were just tourists.

The worst part about all of this is if Trump runs again he's going to win. After all, every major network is covering this live. Except one.

God it’s frustrating and embarrassing to watch this. What the fuck is wrong with his supporters? Are they so filled with anger racism and hate that they can’t see a FUCKING COUP was being attempted? Fuck every last one of them.

DWags wrote:God it’s frustrating and embarrassing to watch this. What the fuck is wrong with his supporters? Are they so filled with anger racism and hate that they can’t see a FUCKING COUP was being attempted? Fuck every last one of them.

They supported the coup.

The election results came in, they lost, they chose to believe every wild conspiracy theory that ever claimed any impropriety about the election, and they chose to go to DC and storm the capital building. They flat out chose to support and engage in a coup because they didn't like the results of the certified election.

Trump in an out take from a video message on Jan 7: "Yesterday is a tough word for me. Take that out."


If Biden was caught on tape asking to take out words that were too hard for him to say, Fox would badger on about it until the end of time.

DWags wrote:God it’s frustrating and embarrassing to watch this. What the fuck is wrong with his supporters? Are they so filled with anger racism and hate that they can’t see a FUCKING COUP was being attempted?  Fuck every last one of them.

I'll ask my dad the day before I leave.

DWags wrote:God it’s frustrating and embarrassing to watch this. What the fuck is wrong with his supporters? Are they so filled with anger racism and hate that they can’t see a FUCKING COUP was being attempted? Fuck every last one of them.

When a cult leader organizes a coup, the cult members coup

MI GOP Co-chair organized the transportation for busses of MI residents to protest on Jan 6 2021.

She’s not seen as a traitor. Neither is her husband who was at The Elipse and is serving as a GOP state rep.

Anybody who would still vote for the douche bag is not an American.

InTenSity wrote:

DWags wrote:God it’s frustrating and embarrassing to watch this. What the fuck is wrong with his supporters? Are they so filled with anger racism and hate that they can’t see a FUCKING COUP was being attempted?  Fuck every last one of them.

I'll ask my dad the day before I leave.

Don't.

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Fist pump McRunpants. Beautiful.

serious question: what is the end game of the January 6th stuff relative to televised hearings?

is it to inform the public?

does the committee think that there are folks out there who watched Jan. 6h unfold and were befuddled by the origins of it?

do they think that suddenly the anti-America MAGA miscreants are gonna change their mind about the events?

do they think that decent people who love America aren't aware of the threat that the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator and his disgusting christian supporters posed to America for the last 5-6 years? And the threat they still pose?

is the DOJ gonna see the hearings and think "oh wow, we'd better do something"? or are they just gonna sit around and allow all of this to go unchecked (the answer is the latter, by the way).

I'm just curious and, admittedly, I operate on about a 3rd grade level - so if anyone has insight, please explain it to me like I'm the kid eating glue in the back of the room.

Historical record of the first ever legitimate attempted coup of American democracy. As our democracy starts fading in the decades to come and we turn to an authoritarian government in the near future, this will be archived in the true heroes basements hidden from the overlords forcing their religion on a people. It will be used when the uprising happens. Its really damn scary seeing what’s coming.

DWags wrote:Historical record of the first ever legitimate attempted coup of American democracy.  As our democracy starts fading in the decades to come and we turn to an authoritarian government in the near future, this will be archived in the true heroes basements hidden from the overlords forcing their religion on a people. It will be used when the uprising happens.   Its really damn scary seeing what’s coming.

I guess I get that..  seems like they (whoever 'they' are) have a higher opinion of the average American intellect than I do.

I mean, there's this January 6th stuff and then there are people who are (or pretend to be) outraged over whatever AOC did to get 'arrested'. We're not exactly dealing with the brightest bulbs in the tanning bed.

Trump supporters live in a reality where they believe that he truly cares about them.  The Americans the liberal elites  (that includes Republicans who aren’t in lock step with Trump)are the ones that hate America and a strong authoritarian is the only way to get their country back.

It’s the same folks who rave about deficits now but ignored them for 4 years and never stop to think the 2017 Tax Act gave huge tax breaks to the Top 1% and Top 10% but has a back door written in where those tax breaks stay in place.

However step increases for those making $75K or less went into effect in 2021 and will continue annually through 2027.  That effects 65% of taxpayers.  

But no worries because the estate tax that went from $6M to $11M ($12M to $22M for married couples) is safe.  

According to Pew Research 58% of Trump voters are white w/o a college degree and a majority will fall into the bottom 3 income quintiles.  They aren’t voting their economic self-interest.  

The Trump led GOP has done a helluva a job selling the idea that an authoritarian, one political party US is the cure for our nation’s ills.

GRR Spartan wrote:Trump supporters live in a reality where they believe that he truly cares about them.  The Americans the liberal elites  (that includes Republicans who aren’t in lock step with Trump)are the ones that hate America and a strong authoritarian is the only way to get their country back.

It’s the same folks who rave about deficits now but ignored them for 4 years and never stop to think the 2017 Tax Act gave huge tax breaks to the Top 1% and Top 10% but has a back door written in where those tax breaks stay in place.

However step increases for those making $75K or less went into effect in 2021 and will continue annually through 2027.  That effects 65% of taxpayers.  

But no worries because the estate tax that went from $6M to $11M ($12M to $22M for married couples) is safe.  

According to Pew Research 58% of Trump voters are white w/o a college degree and a majority will fall into the bottom 3 income quintiles.  They aren’t voting their economic self-interest.  

The Trump led GOP has done a helluva a job selling the idea that an authoritarian, one political party US is the cure for our nation’s ills.

it certainly speaks to the stupidity of America when the average citizen of Mio sees a guy from reality TV living in a gold-plated Manhattan apartment and thinks to themselves "that guy is one of us"!

(I mean, we all know why they love him and, to their credit, a lot of them have stopped pretending. They're just full on anti-America, white nationalist christians and proud of it).

Robert J Sakimano wrote:serious question: what is the end game of the January 6th stuff relative to televised hearings?

is it to inform the public?

does the committee think that there are folks out there who watched Jan. 6h unfold and were befuddled by the origins of it?

do they think that suddenly the anti-America MAGA miscreants are gonna change their mind about the events?

do they think that decent people who love America aren't aware of the threat that the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator and his disgusting christian supporters posed to America for the last 5-6 years? And the threat they still pose?

is the DOJ gonna see the hearings and think "oh wow, we'd better do something"? or are they just gonna sit around and allow all of this to go unchecked (the answer is the latter, by the way).

I'm just curious and, admittedly, I operate on about a 3rd grade level - so if anyone has insight, please explain it to me like I'm the kid eating glue in the back of the room.

Why ask why? Who cares what the end game is? The more it is highlighted the better.

Believe it or not, not everyone is a die hard partisan, not everyone pays close attention to politics, and not everyone gives a shit. But people in all of those categories vote.

An awful lot of Americans have moved on from Jan 6. The coup was averted. When something bad is averted it never has the same impact. Narrowly avoiding a car crash doesn't usually make someone drive more carefully like an actual crash does. People don't have memorials for what could have happened with the shoe bomber or dirty bomber. It becomes a footnote. Jan 6 can not become a footnote.

And, in addition to all of that there has been a concerted effort by the Seditionists to downplay it.

So this is important to put it back in the public eye, and refresh it in people's minds as they go to the polls to vote for the people that supported the insurrection and to show how ludicrous it is to downplay that. You can say that this is all political for that reason, but this isn't about infrastructure plans and Healthcare. This is about the existence of Democracy, and what can happen if too many of these people that support the coup plotters get/stay in office.

It's also important that this comes before any DOJ cases, because this puts so much evidence out in the public eye. Evidence that is corroborated and can't be denied, so that if the DOJ has the balls to move forward, that the only ones who think it is a political witch hunt are the witches themselves.

I think it is also important to note how the hearings have resulted in new and additional evidence and testimony.

tl;dr: It's important to keep this in the public eye because the people who perpetrated it and supported it, want it forgotten about, so that they aren't restricted from trying it again.

MiamiSpartan wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:serious question: what is the end game of the January 6th stuff relative to televised hearings?

is it to inform the public?

does the committee think that there are folks out there who watched Jan. 6h unfold and were befuddled by the origins of it?

do they think that suddenly the anti-America MAGA miscreants are gonna change their mind about the events?

do they think that decent people who love America aren't aware of the threat that the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator and his disgusting christian supporters posed to America for the last 5-6 years? And the threat they still pose?

is the DOJ gonna see the hearings and think "oh wow, we'd better do something"? or are they just gonna sit around and allow all of this to go unchecked (the answer is the latter, by the way).

I'm just curious and, admittedly, I operate on about a 3rd grade level - so if anyone has insight, please explain it to me like I'm the kid eating glue in the back of the room.

Why ask why?   Who cares what the end game is?  The more it is highlighted the better.

Believe it or not, not everyone is a die hard partisan, not everyone pays close attention to politics, and not everyone gives a shit.  But people in all of those categories vote.

An awful lot of Americans have moved on from Jan 6.  The coup was averted.  When something bad is averted it never has the same impact.  Narrowly avoiding a car crash doesn't usually make someone drive more carefully like an actual crash does.  People don't have memorials for what could have happened with the shoe bomber or dirty bomber.  It becomes a footnote.  Jan 6 can not become a footnote.

And, in addition to all of that there has been a concerted effort by the Seditionists to downplay it.

So this is important to put it back in the public eye, and refresh it in people's minds as they go to the polls to vote for the people that supported the insurrection and to show how ludicrous it is to downplay that.  You can say that this is all political for that reason, but this isn't about infrastructure plans and Healthcare.  This is about the existence of Democracy, and what can happen if too many of these people that support the coup plotters get/stay in office.

It's also important that this comes before any DOJ cases, because this puts so much evidence out in the public eye.  Evidence that is corroborated and can't be denied, so that if the DOJ has the balls to move forward, that the only ones who think it is a political witch hunt are the witches themselves.

I think it is also important to note how the hearings have resulted in new and additional evidence and testimony.

tl;dr:  It's important to keep this in the public eye because the people who perpetrated it and supported it, want it forgotten about, so that they aren't restricted from trying it again.

that's a lot of words.

And while (I think) I agree with you, the average American doesn't care.

I wish I was wrong, but I suspect I'm not. If they did, the Democrats running for US senate seats would be up 10+ points.

There are people more upset about AOC for whatever reason the mainstream media tells them to be than they are at at violent assault on democracy.

America is a very stupid country. People in Mio think that colored folks are coming for their guns and bibles because the 'news' tells them that.

By the way, I'd love to be wrong.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

MiamiSpartan wrote:
Why ask why?   Who cares what the end game is?  The more it is highlighted the better.

Believe it or not, not everyone is a die hard partisan, not everyone pays close attention to politics, and not everyone gives a shit.  But people in all of those categories vote.

An awful lot of Americans have moved on from Jan 6.  The coup was averted.  When something bad is averted it never has the same impact.  Narrowly avoiding a car crash doesn't usually make someone drive more carefully like an actual crash does.  People don't have memorials for what could have happened with the shoe bomber or dirty bomber.  It becomes a footnote.  Jan 6 can not become a footnote.

And, in addition to all of that there has been a concerted effort by the Seditionists to downplay it.

So this is important to put it back in the public eye, and refresh it in people's minds as they go to the polls to vote for the people that supported the insurrection and to show how ludicrous it is to downplay that.  You can say that this is all political for that reason, but this isn't about infrastructure plans and Healthcare.  This is about the existence of Democracy, and what can happen if too many of these people that support the coup plotters get/stay in office.

It's also important that this comes before any DOJ cases, because this puts so much evidence out in the public eye.  Evidence that is corroborated and can't be denied, so that if the DOJ has the balls to move forward, that the only ones who think it is a political witch hunt are the witches themselves.

I think it is also important to note how the hearings have resulted in new and additional evidence and testimony.

tl;dr:  It's important to keep this in the public eye because the people who perpetrated it and supported it, want it forgotten about, so that they aren't restricted from trying it again.

that's a lot of words.

And while (I think) I agree with you, the average American doesn't care.

I wish I was wrong, but I suspect I'm not. If they did, the Democrats running for US senate seats would be up 10+ points.

There are people more upset about AOC for whatever reason the mainstream media tells them to be than they are at at violent assault on democracy.

America is a very stupid country. People in Mio think that colored folks are coming for their guns and bibles because the 'news' tells them that.

By the way, I'd love to be wrong.

Would you prefer that they don't do the hearings? While I understand your cynicism about the impact, not doing the hearings only serves the interest of the Seditionists.

MiamiSpartan wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
that's a lot of words.

And while (I think) I agree with you, the average American doesn't care.

I wish I was wrong, but I suspect I'm not. If they did, the Democrats running for US senate seats would be up 10+ points.

There are people more upset about AOC for whatever reason the mainstream media tells them to be than they are at at violent assault on democracy.

America is a very stupid country. People in Mio think that colored folks are coming for their guns and bibles because the 'news' tells them that.

By the way, I'd love to be wrong.

Would you prefer that they don't do the hearings? While I understand your cynicism about the impact, not doing the hearings only serves the interest of the Seditionists.

This is true. And i agree, something had to be done. But I'm with the cynical robert on this one. Trump manipulated the media and his followers for his campaign and up all the way through his presidency. He wrapped them around his finger. with a clear mass market manipulation plan. While i don't wish for democrats to become brainless america-hating scum like they did, it would be nice if democrats seem to have some kind of plan for all this. They need to have a greater impact. This is more of the same trump hating that doesn't get us very far and in fact in a weird way, sometimes contributes to Trump's plan of burning out his opposition. Trump took advantage of psychology. I wish for just once the democrats seemed like they had a plan to fight fire with fire, it's the only way to beat the america hating scum. The answer isn't more incessant trump hate. The answer is voter turn out and in particular minority/young voter turn out. Let's do more to figure out how to motivate and reach them because this ain't it.

What worries me is there’s an election certification bill (?) of some sorts being pushed forward. Apparently a lot of republicans are on board with this.

That worries me.

I get the feeling that there are state legislatures that have put laws into place that give them more power to determine the electors that should be sent to congress. Basically saying we decide if we agree on the states popular vote or whether we see it differently. This law congress is trying to get through would make it a quick rubber stamp for state level shenanigans. Basically what Trump wanted in 2020 but it’s now on the books as legally do-able at the state level.

kingstonlake wrote:What worries me is there’s an election certification bill (?) of some sorts being pushed forward. Apparently a lot of republicans are on board with this.

That worries me.

I get the feeling that there are state legislatures that have put laws into place that give them more power to determine the electors that should be sent to congress. Basically saying we decide if we agree on the states popular vote or whether we see it differently. This law congress is trying to get through would make it a quick rubber stamp for state level shenanigans. Basically what Trump wanted in 2020 but it’s now on the books as legally do-able at the state level.

That's exactly what's happening. We're seeing the end to our Democratic Republic and it is going to become an authoritarian government.

Good luck.

sεяεηιτλ wrote:

MiamiSpartan wrote:

Would you prefer that they don't do the hearings? While I understand your cynicism about the impact, not doing the hearings only serves the interest of the Seditionists.

This is true. And i agree, something had to be done. But I'm with the cynical robert on this one. Trump manipulated the media and his followers for his campaign and up all the way through his presidency. He wrapped them around his finger. with a clear mass market manipulation plan. While i don't wish for democrats to become brainless america-hating scum like they did, it would be nice if democrats seem to have some kind of plan for all this. They need to have a greater impact. This is more of the same trump hating that doesn't get us very far and in fact in a weird way, sometimes contributes to Trump's plan of burning out his opposition. Trump took advantage of psychology. I wish for just once the democrats seemed like they had a plan to fight fire with fire, it's the only way to beat the america hating scum. The answer isn't more incessant trump hate. The answer is voter turn out and in particular minority/young voter turn out. Let's do more to figure out how to motivate and reach them because this ain't it.

If the recent Supreme Court decisions regarding abortion, guns and the environment along with Trump’s refusal to accept the election results and the subsequent January 6 attack aren’t enough to motivate Democrats this November, then our goose is cooked. I keep hearing that Biden needs to cancel student debt to motivate people, but that would be a short term fix. As someone said, motivating Dems is like herding cats because there are so many different interests in the Party.

MiamiSpartan wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
that's a lot of words.

And while (I think) I agree with you, the average American doesn't care.

I wish I was wrong, but I suspect I'm not. If they did, the Democrats running for US senate seats would be up 10+ points.

There are people more upset about AOC for whatever reason the mainstream media tells them to be than they are at at violent assault on democracy.

America is a very stupid country. People in Mio think that colored folks are coming for their guns and bibles because the 'news' tells them that.

By the way, I'd love to be wrong.

Would you prefer that they don't do the hearings? While I understand your cynicism about the impact, not doing the hearings only serves the interest of the Seditionists.

I'd prefer they people behind it be arrested and sent to prison to rot.

The hearings, from what I can tell, have no bearing on that.

PennSpartan wrote:

sεяεηιτλ wrote:

This is true. And i agree, something had to be done. But I'm with the cynical robert on this one. Trump manipulated the media and his followers for his campaign and up all the way through his presidency. He wrapped them around his finger. with a clear mass market manipulation plan. While i don't wish for democrats to become brainless america-hating scum like they did, it would be nice if democrats seem to have some kind of plan for all this. They need to have a greater impact. This is more of the same trump hating that doesn't get us very far and in fact in a weird way, sometimes contributes to Trump's plan of burning out his opposition. Trump took advantage of psychology. I wish for just once the democrats seemed like they had a plan to fight fire with fire, it's the only way to beat the america hating scum. The answer isn't more incessant trump hate. The answer is voter turn out and in particular minority/young voter turn out. Let's do more to figure out how to motivate and reach them because this ain't it.

If the recent Supreme Court decisions regarding abortion, guns and the environment along with Trump’s refusal to accept the election results and the subsequent January 6 attack aren’t enough to motivate Democrats this November, then our goose is cooked. I keep hearing that Biden needs to cancel student debt to motivate people, but that would be a short term fix. As someone said, motivating Dems is like herding cats because there are so many different interests in the Party.

and the mainstream media normalizing the anti-America christian right by taking advantage of a gullible, stupid electorate.


As I've said, the best thing that ever happened to the mainstream media was the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator. It's why they worked so hard to get him elected.

And they continue to do it today.

PennSpartan wrote:

sεяεηιτλ wrote:

This is true. And i agree, something had to be done. But I'm with the cynical robert on this one. Trump manipulated the media and his followers for his campaign and up all the way through his presidency. He wrapped them around his finger. with a clear mass market manipulation plan. While i don't wish for democrats to become brainless america-hating scum like they did, it would be nice if democrats seem to have some kind of plan for all this. They need to have a greater impact. This is more of the same trump hating that doesn't get us very far and in fact in a weird way, sometimes contributes to Trump's plan of burning out his opposition. Trump took advantage of psychology. I wish for just once the democrats seemed like they had a plan to fight fire with fire, it's the only way to beat the america hating scum. The answer isn't more incessant trump hate. The answer is voter turn out and in particular minority/young voter turn out. Let's do more to figure out how to motivate and reach them because this ain't it.

If the recent Supreme Court decisions regarding abortion, guns and the environment along with Trump’s refusal to accept the election results and the subsequent January 6 attack aren’t enough to motivate Democrats this November, then our goose is cooked. I keep hearing that Biden needs to cancel student debt to motivate people, but that would be a short term fix. As someone said, motivating Dems is like herding cats because there are so many different interests in the Party.

JFC will you let it go? The moderate we elected has shown he lied to get votes when talking about student loan debt relief. It’s gonna be ok. Relax. He lied. You’re safe, boomer.

kingstonlake wrote:

PennSpartan wrote:
If the recent Supreme Court decisions regarding abortion, guns and the environment along with Trump’s refusal to accept the election results and the subsequent January 6 attack aren’t enough to motivate Democrats this November, then our goose is cooked. I keep hearing that Biden needs to cancel student debt to motivate people, but that would be a short term fix. As someone said, motivating Dems is like herding cats because there are so many different interests in the Party.

JFC will you let it go? The moderate we elected has shown he lied to get votes when talking about student loan debt relief. It’s gonna be ok. Relax. He lied. You’re safe, boomer.

He promised $10k. Is that what would make you happy? Are you that broke? I can give you that much if it would get you off my back. I’m serious. JFC.