January 6th committee hearings

PennSpartan wrote:

kingstonlake wrote:

JFC will you let it go? The moderate we elected has shown he lied to get votes when talking about student loan debt relief. It’s gonna be ok. Relax. He lied. You’re safe, boomer.

He promised $10k. Is that what would make you happy? Are you that broke? I can give you that much if it would get you off my back. I’m serious. JFC.

I will take $10,000 to never talk to you again Penn.

Sorry Kingston. Too slow. Back of the line. I’m getting that Penn 10k for not talking to him first.

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

PennSpartan wrote:
He promised $10k. Is that what would make you happy? Are you that broke? I can give you that much if it would get you off my back. I’m serious. JFC.

I will take $10,000 to never talk to you again Penn.

Kingstonlake needs it apparently. He can have it if he agrees to leave this board forever. We’ll get the mods involved to make sure.

Are you still whining about student loan debt forgiveness that the moderate lied about? Let it go. I don’t have any. Paid in full. By me. And if liar Biden would have followed through on his lie about a minimum $10,000 forgiveness lie, I wouldn’t have gave a damn. I’d be happy for whomever got it. But hey, I’m a 58 year old who doesn’t lose sleep over what someone else benefits from. I’m not that petty or jealous. Frankly I find your weird obsession with AOC more entertaining. Creepy. But entertaining.

I formally submit a quit claim deed to Travis of the Cosmos for the $10,000 from Penn the Liar Lover.

kingstonlake wrote:Are you still whining about student loan debt forgiveness that the moderate lied about? Let it go. I don’t have any. Paid in full. By me. And if liar Biden would have followed through on his lie about a minimum $10,000 forgiveness lie, I wouldn’t have gave a damn. I’d be happy for whomever got it. But hey, I’m a 58 year old who doesn’t lose sleep over what someone else benefits from. I’m not that petty or jealous.  Frankly I find your weird obsession with AOC more entertaining. Creepy. But entertaining.

So you’re not much younger than me.  And don’t need the money.  QUIT BITCHING about it then.  It’s the stupidest idea ever presented by the fake Democratic Party (progressives)  Republicans are destroying Democrats over abortion, guns, and the environment and you have an odd obsession with student debt.

PennSpartan wrote:

kingstonlake wrote:Are you still whining about student loan debt forgiveness that the moderate lied about? Let it go. I don’t have any. Paid in full. By me. And if liar Biden would have followed through on his lie about a minimum $10,000 forgiveness lie, I wouldn’t have gave a damn. I’d be happy for whomever got it. But hey, I’m a 58 year old who doesn’t lose sleep over what someone else benefits from. I’m not that petty or jealous. Frankly I find your weird obsession with AOC more entertaining. Creepy. But entertaining.

So you’ve not much younger than me. And don’t need the money. QUIT BITCHING about it then. It’s the stupidest idea ever presented by the fake Democratic Party (progressives) Republicans are destroying Democrats over abortion, guns, and the environment and you have an odd obsession with student debt.

Now flip that pancake.

kingstonlake wrote:

PennSpartan wrote:
So you’ve not much younger than me. And don’t need the money. QUIT BITCHING about it then. It’s the stupidest idea ever presented by the fake Democratic Party (progressives) Republicans are destroying Democrats over abortion, guns, and the environment and you have an odd obsession with student debt.

Now flip that pancake.

No idea what that means. But now that you’re a pretend young person it’s embarrassing.

PennSpartan wrote:

kingstonlake wrote:

Now flip that pancake.

No idea what that means. But now that you’re a pretend young person it’s embarrassing.

It means you can flip the logic. But either way he lied. And you know it.

But you’ll still blame progressives if they don’t vote for him after being straight up lied to.

kingstonlake wrote:

PennSpartan wrote:
No idea what that means. But now that you’re a pretend young person it’s embarrassing.

It means you can flip the logic. But either way he lied. And you know it.

Then vote for Republicans. I don’t care. You Progressives are so fucked up. You hate Biden. I hope you get what you want in November. Enjoy it.

PennSpartan wrote:

kingstonlake wrote:

It means you can flip the logic. But either way he lied. And you know it.

Then vote for Republicans. I don’t care. You Progressives are so fucked up. You hate Biden. I hope you get what you want in November. Enjoy it.

I’m pretty sure you won’t have any trouble finding people to dispute my alleged “progressive-ness”. I was all in on Biden or Buttigieg.

kingstonlake wrote:

PennSpartan wrote:
Then vote for Republicans. I don’t care. You Progressives are so fucked up. You hate Biden. I hope you get what you want in November. Enjoy it.

I’m pretty sure you won’t have any trouble finding people to dispute my alleged “progressive-ness”. I was all in on Biden or Buttigieg.

You just called him a liar. You will get what you want in November.

PennSpartan wrote:

kingstonlake wrote:

I’m pretty sure you won’t have any trouble finding people to dispute my alleged “progressive-ness”. I was all in on Biden or Buttigieg.

You just called him a liar. You will get what you want in November.

He did lie. Being mad about someone recognizing it doesn’t make it any less of a lie.

Oh. And moderates determine all elections. Remember?

kingstonlake wrote:

PennSpartan wrote:
You just called him a liar. You will get what you want in November.

He did lie. Being mad about someone recognizing it doesn’t make it any less of a lie.

Oh. And moderates determine all elections. Remember?

Just wait. You will get what you want in November. You can celebrate then.

PennSpartan wrote:

kingstonlake wrote:

He did lie. Being mad about someone recognizing it doesn’t make it any less of a lie.

Oh. And moderates determine all elections. Remember?

Just wait. You will get what you want in November. You can celebrate then.

I hope moderates don’t fuck it up.

kingstonlake wrote:

PennSpartan wrote:
Just wait. You will get what you want in November. You can celebrate then.

I hope moderates don’t fuck it up.

Won’t matter. We hope you get what you want. Biden silenced.

For the brain dead at Trump Rallies regarding these hearings.  I've seen the footage of them saying "We don't watch them" "They're one sided" "IT WAS ANTIFA AND BLM".  They scare me to the point of wanting to vomit.  If they don't realize they are zombies, we won't convince them.  

However, Steven Colbert hit it on the head last night:  "If they were Antifa and BLM, why didn't Trump want to stop them?  Why did he let it go on? Also, why did he then come out to the Rose Garden and say 'We love you, we respect you, but it's time to go home".  Really? Antifa and BLM

Why can't those zombies wrap their heads around that.  (It's Rhetorical I know they just don't want to).  But that is what we're dealing with and it is a HUGE portion of our country. they are as lost to a cult of personality as the Germans were in the 30's.  I'm beyond worried.  This is going to get real bad after 2024.  Real bad.

Republicans are totally tribal now is why.

Some of those you see on the TeeVee totally know that Trump lost but just want to "own" the libs.

The MSM also plays a part, not showing you the ones who say otherwise.

In the grand scheme of things social media is in its infancy stage. We’re now learning how dangerous it can be. We basically have a group of children a loaded gun and sat back to watch what happens.

DWags wrote:For the brain dead at Trump Rallies regarding these hearings.  I've seen the footage of them saying "We don't watch them" "They're one sided" "IT WAS ANTIFA AND BLM".  They scare me to the point of wanting to vomit.  If they don't realize they are zombies, we won't convince them.  

However, Steven Colbert hit it on the head last night:  "If they were Antifa and BLM, why didn't Trump want to stop them?  Why did he let it go on? Also, why did he then come out to the Rose Garden and say 'We love you, we respect you, but it's time to go home".  Really? Antifa and BLM

Why can't those zombies wrap their heads around that.  (It's Rhetorical I know they just don't want to).  But that is what we're dealing with and it is a HUGE portion of our country. they are as lost to a cult of personality as the Germans were in the 30's.  I'm beyond worried.  This is going to get real bad after 2024.  Real bad.

America is a stupid country.

kingstonlake wrote:In the grand scheme of things social media is in its infancy stage. We’re now learning how dangerous it can be. We basically have a group of children a loaded gun and sat back to watch what happens.

Not just social media, but the internet itself.

I rant about this from time to time. People don’t fully grasp the period they’re living in. People read history books (or used to, books are outdated now kinda the whole point) about the printing press and how revolutionary that was to the world’s ability to access information, calling it one of the most important inventions in history. We’re living in that period, right now, it’s happening again now. We all walk around everywhere with the entirety of human knowledge in our pockets at all times. That’s fucking crazy to think about. We mostly use it for crooting stars and porn at this point, but that’s another matter.

I think it’s important for people to step back and understand how different things are now. It’s folly to compare the way someone behaves now to as recently as 1992. It’s different now. Everything about our lives is entirely different and it’s happened in a very short period of time- similar to the 1400s. It’s going to take a lot longer to understand and work with all of the implications of such a change, both positive and negative.

Remember having an argument in a bar? Like not a heated one. The kind of bullshit where you argue with a friend about, I dunno, who had more rushing yards in 1994, Barry sanders or Emmitt Smith. That doesn’t happen anymore. You will look it up in 10 seconds and know the answer.

Obviously not the most important bit of change associated with the internet, but just an example of how every bit of our daily lives and how we interact with the world is different now than it was even in 2005 pre smart phone.

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Yawn. I’ve reached the point that the only justice is the voting booth. I don’t expect any accountability from within the “club”. Hell, even loud mouth Pelosi is strangely quiet. But she’s senile, so….

kingstonlake wrote:Yawn. I’ve reached the point that the only justice is the voting booth. I don’t expect any accountability from within the “club”. Hell, even loud mouth Pelosi is strangely quiet. But she’s senile, so….

She impeached Trump twice, what else would you have her do ...

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I am ignorant to many workings involved in the government. But isn't that what has been going on anyway? How is this different.

I'm sure most feel this, but Trump is right. He can shoot a fucking person in public, and have no consequences.

...FYI i'm being a lazy person and not reading the article.

Dendrobates wrote:

Turtleneck wrote:[tw]1552072892011233282?s=20&t=ZstQW5WJ5HRR-JEHy8F2jg[/tw]

I am ignorant to many workings involved in the government. But isn't that what has been going on anyway? How is this different.

I'm sure most feel this, but Trump is right. He can shoot a fucking person in public, and have no consequences.

...FYI i'm being a lazy person and not reading the article.

The hearings on TV is a Congressional investigation, which doesn't have any power to prosecute. It is more about finding out what happened and writing a report/recommendations. At most (though extremely unlikely) they could present their findings to Congress as a whole and I believe would be able to vote to bar Trump (and/or others) from ever holding Federal office again.

The other, which the tweet mentioned, is the Department Of Justice criminal investigation. This could lead to jail time for some members of the Trump team (and I think it will for some people, but not sure how high up).

The Congressional committee can also refer its findings to the Justice department, to strongly encourage a criminal investigation (which now sounds like it is definitely happening anyway).

So does a felony conviction stop the asshole from running for office?

AvgMSUJoe wrote:So does a felony conviction stop the asshole from running for office?

It'd give him even more street cred for some of the people that would vote for him. But yes, he can run, unless he's in the slammer at the time.

As long as everyone understands the “I tried a coup but wasn’t successful and in my mind I felt the election was stolen” defense will work (on the minuscule chance there’s an indictment), we’ll get though this.

Jake from State Farm wrote:

AvgMSUJoe wrote:So does a felony conviction stop the asshole from running for office?

It'd give him even more street cred for some of the people that would vote for him. But yes, he can run, unless he's in the slammer at the time.

Unless they are - Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

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it's almost like the patriotic MAGA christian filth weren't as much worried about Hillary's {ahem} "corruption" as they were just <checks notes>... outright misogynists.

if only there was a way to have known that in 2016.  

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Apparently a bunch of Pentagon texts from Jan 6 also.

https://www.politico.com/minutes/congress/09-20-2022/condemning-fbi-employee-violence/

Worth a watch. Jamie Raskin absolutely eviscerates his Seditionist colleagues.
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I have the same questions. Enough with the downplaying of this or that. Trump is on tape asking the Secretary of State Of Georgia to find votes that didn't exist. Please, someone defend/justify that.

the problem (and it's a big one) is that the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator was so corrupt, so violent, so anti-America that it became normalized. Nothing he did/said was surprising. It was normalized by him, by his christian supporters, by the mainstream media, etc.

they could drag a murder victim out of the Mar-o-Lago Truck Stop and Massage Parlor and the mainstream media would have wall-to-wall coverage of the queen's funeral.

not that it's the mainstream media's fault, but they just hold different people to different standards, and they know that America is a stupid (and racist) country and, as such, they benefit greatly from it. It's just the normalization of the corruption, violence, and fascism that America has become numb to.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:the problem (and it's a big one) is that the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator was so corrupt, so violent, so anti-America that it became normalized. Nothing he did/said was surprising. It was normalized by him, by his christian supporters, by the mainstream media, etc.

they could drag a murder victim out of the Mar-o-Lago Truck Stop and Massage Parlor and the mainstream media would have wall-to-wall coverage of the queen's funeral.

not that it's the mainstream media's fault, but they just hold different people to different standards, and they know that America is a stupid (and racist) country and, as such, they benefit greatly from it. It's just the normalization of the corruption, violence, and fascism that America has become numb to.

As many people have noted, it isn't "the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator".

The Republican Party has had a splinter group like this for decades, going back at least to Harding, but most likely long before that. THis is who the Republicans are. Trump is just a bigger loudmouth than many.

Thom Hartman (MSU Grad) has a pretty good takedown of Republicans.

https://hartmannreport.com/p/why-do-you-think-im-a-threat-to-america

Trapper Gus wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:the problem (and it's a big one) is that the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator was so corrupt, so violent, so anti-America that it became normalized. Nothing he did/said was surprising. It was normalized by him, by his christian supporters, by the mainstream media, etc.

they could drag a murder victim out of the Mar-o-Lago Truck Stop and Massage Parlor and the mainstream media would have wall-to-wall coverage of the queen's funeral.

not that it's the mainstream media's fault, but they just hold different people to different standards, and they know that America is a stupid (and racist) country and, as such, they benefit greatly from it. It's just the normalization of the corruption, violence, and fascism that America has become numb to.

As many people have noted, it isn't "the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator".

The Republican Party has had a splinter group like this for decades, going back at least to Harding, but most likely long before that. THis is who the Republicans are. Trump is just a bigger loudmouth than many.

Thom Hartman (MSU Grad) has a pretty good takedown of Republicans.

https://hartmannreport.com/p/why-do-you-think-im-a-threat-to-america

a good piece and the most surprising part about this, though, is that everything he wrote is common knowledge, common sense to those of us who are connected with reality.

unfortunately, as they say, 'common sense isn't very common'.