Elon Musk and Twitter

Floyd Robertson wrote:

In six months time you'll have start paying $2.99 a month for free speech.

Bredo Morstoel wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

Tell that to NumbersDude since he is.the one making the claim. I'm sticking with how Musk has been acting recently.

I've not been following him closely as of late. What has he done that is "racist?"

NumbersDude wrote:

Bredo Morstoel wrote:

I've not been following him closely as of late. What has he done that is "racist?"

They call anyone racist if they don’t agree with them. Total lemmings that fell for russian disinformation.

Trapper Gus wrote:

NumbersDude wrote:

They call anyone racist if they don’t agree with them. Total lemmings that fell for russian disinformation.

No.

People are supporting.racists like Musk are thus supporting racisum and thus are racist themselves.

NumbersDude wrote:
You having a bad day trapper? Serious question. You want me to send you $500 bucks to feel better?

RQA wrote:

NumbersDude wrote:
You having a bad day trapper? Serious question. You want me to send you $500 bucks to feel better?

He does need some money for a deer guard for the ICE vehicle he is buying. I am sure he would appreciate the help.

Rick Saunders wrote:Here's an interesting take that is a bit out of date by now.

I don't agree with everything Galloway says but at least he's thought provoking. He's an academic though so he has data you can ignore (because he's an academic).

https://www.profgalloway.com/power/

Trapper Gus wrote:

Bredo Morstoel wrote:

I've not been following him closely as of late. What has he done that is "racist?"

Low informstion poster, and I already posted a link about Tesla's racial issues and the lawsuits they have aready lost or are in the process of losing.

NumbersDude wrote:

Rick Saunders wrote:Here's an interesting take that is a bit out of date by now.

I don't agree with everything Galloway says but at least he's thought provoking. He's an academic though so he has data you can ignore (because he's an academic).

https://www.profgalloway.com/power/

So what are the “guardrails” on a platform like twitter should it be filters that control the amount of violence that is posted? Sex? There should be some form of moderation but what is that? This board has been pretty free from over-moderation. What if Musk ran Twitter EXACTLY like this place?

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

NumbersDude wrote:

So what are the “guardrails” on a platform like twitter should it be filters that control the amount of violence that is posted? Sex? There should be some form of moderation but what is that? This board has been pretty free from over-moderation. What if Musk ran Twitter EXACTLY like this place?

You know how I know you weren’t here circa 2015 or so

NumbersDude wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

You know how I know you weren’t here circa 2015 or so

You are right. I only discovered this place a month ago. My good friend Trapper Gus invited me. I love that guy.

Floyd Robertson wrote:

RQA wrote:

In a victory for free speech, Twitter has accepted the offer and will be sold to Elon Musk.

In six months time you'll have start paying $2.99 a month for free speech.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

Floyd Robertson wrote:

In six months time you'll have start paying $2.99 a month for free speech.

imagine being so stupid you would pay money to participate in "free speech".

America..

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

NumbersDude wrote:

You are right. I only discovered this place a month ago. My good friend Trapper Gus invited me. I love that guy.

Well comparing Twitter to here is actually a pretty good comparison, but the problem is that Twitter is moderated like this place is already. If you show up for the expressed purpose of spamming, trying to say violent or hateful shit then you’re probably going to get banned very very quickly. If you act like a somewhat normal human being then disagreeing with each other is fine. That’s the problem with what you’re saying though- if I had to put a number on it I would say that 99% of what Twitter does from a moderation perspective most people would find pretty reasonable. It’s the other 1% that we’re talking about.

For the record I think putting trump back on Twitter and getting him to tweet again would be a great boon to democrats. Him getting banned did no liberal any favors because the general population quickly forgets what kind of raving fucking lunatic he is when he’s not constantly in peoples faces.

NumbersDude wrote:

Elon is a great American.

DWags wrote:So what’s that fucker gonna do about Dakich?   Wake me up when that happens.  Also, who was the Michigan sports rag guy who faked an illness on Twitter and a bunch of dumb asses sent him money and he bought equipment with it?  Does he get unbanned now?  Was he banned?  

This is way more important than an ex president who has a bunch of racist twit followers.  

NumbersDude wrote:

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

Well comparing Twitter to here is actually a pretty good comparison, but the problem is that Twitter is moderated like this place is already. If you show up for the expressed purpose of spamming, trying to say violent or hateful shit then you’re probably going to get banned very very quickly. If you act like a somewhat normal human being then disagreeing with each other is fine. That’s the problem with what you’re saying though- if I had to put a number on it I would say that 99% of what Twitter does from a moderation perspective most people would find pretty reasonable. It’s the other 1% that we’re talking about.

For the record I think putting trump back on Twitter and getting him to tweet again would be a great boon to democrats. Him getting banned did no liberal any favors because the general population quickly forgets what kind of raving fucking lunatic he is when he’s not constantly in peoples faces.

Are you not entertained? Orangeman motivated Americans to participate and mock the political class.
It was gold. Pure comedy. Look at the people who dislike my post here? Am I violent? Do I post overly sexual post here compared to some? I am quite civil and yet hilarious.

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

NumbersDude wrote:

Are you not entertained? Orangeman motivated Americans to participate and mock the political class.
It was gold. Pure comedy.  Look at the people who dislike my post here? Am I violent? Do I post overly sexual post here compared to some? I am quite civil and yet hilarious.
 

And you haven’t been banned here, nor would you be on Twitter so I’m not sure what point you’re making.

It’s a complicated question though, more complicated than people think when they just shout free speech at the top of our lungs. One that most of the people here had to reckon with while you guys were all still jerking it at rcmb. Where are those lines? What kind of moderation is too much, what’s too little? And there certainly is a too little, we all know that from experience. I happen to think that Twitter has struck a pretty good balance of only dealing with the egregious shit while letting a majority of things go. But it’s up for debate and it’s not as simple as pretending that our newest billionaire father figure has all the answers. Simply doing nothing leads to no one worth talking to using your platform though, I can tell you that for sure.

NumbersDude wrote:Ahahahhhhahahahha

OMG. The orange menace is pissed Musk acquired twitter.

You orangehaters have alot in common with the mango menance.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10752537/Trump-NOT-Twitter-Elon-Musk-purchase-says-hell-start-using-TRUTH-Social.html

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:

NumbersDude wrote:Ahahahhhhahahahha

OMG. The orange menace is pissed Musk acquired twitter.

You orangehaters have alot in common with the mango menance.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10752537/Trump-NOT-Twitter-Elon-Musk-purchase-says-hell-start-using-TRUTH-Social.html

the app is called truth social

Robert J Sakimano wrote:one of the best things that could happen to democracy would be if this dude allows the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator back on whatever Twitter is.

decent Americans need to be reminded of exactly what we have to lose. Amplify the racism, bigotry, misogyny and hate. Absence of such has the potential to make good, everyday folks become complacent.

NumbersDude wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:one of the best things that could happen to democracy would be if this dude allows the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator back on whatever Twitter is.

decent Americans need to be reminded of exactly what we have to lose. Amplify the racism, bigotry, misogyny and hate. Absence of such has the potential to make good, everyday folks become complacent.

Whats more funny than the idiots worshipping the mango jesus? Are the karens obsessing still about the orange man long after he lost the election.

duffy munn wrote:

NumbersDude wrote:

Whats more funny than the idiots worshipping the mango jesus? Are the karens obsessing still about the orange man long after he lost the election.

Meh, what's funny is you jumping to the defense of your dethroned emperor. Every, single, time.

NumbersDude wrote:

duffy munn wrote:

Meh, what's funny is you jumping to the defense of your dethroned emperor. Every, single, time.

Orange man bad!

Ahahahahah



Does Elon Musk Trigger you as much as mango jesus?

duffy munn wrote:

NumbersDude wrote:





Orange man bad!

Ahahahahah



Does Elon Musk Trigger you as much as mango jesus?

I don't give GAF about your other hero, Musk. And way to avoid the obvious truth that YOU worship the mango menace.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:I don't know that much about money (I'm white, but I'm not that white).. but investing in a free platform designed to promote hate and division doesn't seem like a wise way to spend your money.

peak America will be when he starts charging people to participate in 'free' speech.

NumbersDude wrote:

duffy munn wrote:

I don't give GAF about your other hero, Musk. And way to avoid the obvious truth that YOU worship the mango menace.

The orange baffoon is entertaining because he triggers snowflakes like you. I am a godless heathen that only worships money. Wrong again muffy. But make whatever accusations you like.
Teslas are awesome.
Starlink is awesome.

Bitter, angry, poor. Obsessed about the orangeman!


Thanks for entertaining me muffy. Your post actually motivates me. I hope I never become a person as angry and bitter as you.

duffy munn wrote:

NumbersDude wrote:

The orange baffoon is entertaining because he triggers snowflakes like you. I am a godless heathen that only worships money. Wrong again muffy. But make whatever accusations you like.
Teslas are awesome.
Starlink is awesome.

Bitter, angry, poor. Obsessed about the orangeman!


Thanks for entertaining me muffy. Your post actually motivates me. I hope I never become a person as angry and bitter as you.

Has the IRS caught up with you yet?

NumbersDude wrote:

Rick Saunders wrote:Here's an interesting take that is a bit out of date by now.

I don't agree with everything Galloway says but at least he's thought provoking. He's an academic though so he has data you can ignore (because he's an academic).

https://www.profgalloway.com/power/

So what are the “guardrails” on a platform like twitter should it be filters that control the amount of violence that is posted? Sex? There should be some form of moderation but what is that? This board has been pretty free from over-moderation. What if Musk ran Twitter EXACTLY like this place?

Rick Saunders wrote:

NumbersDude wrote:

So what are the “guardrails” on a platform like twitter should it be filters that control the amount of violence that is posted? Sex? There should be some form of moderation but what is that? This board has been pretty free from over-moderation. What if Musk ran Twitter EXACTLY like this place?

I don't know the guardrails that should be on twitter. I know that twitter, owned by Musk or not, has every right to allow (or not) any speech protected by the first amendment. That's the point of the first amendment. The guardrail pointed out by Galloway is not on twitter but rather on Musk and his ilk: "With our guardrails in place, someone who committed blatant securities fraud, repeatedly, would be prohibited from serving on the board of any publicly traded firm, much less allowed to acquire one." (to grab only one quote from Galloway).

I am probably more laissez faire than you think I am. I think that if people want to use twitter or other such platforms they are free to do so within the rules set by these private entities as I am using this one now. On the other hand I don't personally choose to normally use platforms that specifically feed me fuel to keep thinking and reading the same thing. Do you set cookie preferences to avoid tracking etc. where possible? Problem is the technology is WAY ahead of our means as a society of dealing with it and the social media giants are obviously predatory. We have warnings on cigarette packages for a reason and limits on legal age of use.

If twitter wants to be the "newsy" social media platform then we should see it as such and have societal expectations for its behavior in that category. The problem there is that such behavior is often not expected by other "newsy" sources (the one's Bob doesn't read) any longer either.

Quite obviously as an American I am fully against state run news media. That is different than believing it may be appropriate to have some control of philosophy in a classically liberal society where it's own health is dependent on factual information (the potential irony as it pertains to the printer/philosopher in my avatar is not lost on me.)

Nonetheless, as you and I have sometimes differing opinions on issues of import, our biggest difference is that it appears to me you believe "they are all corrupt", or there's nothing that can be done about it etc whereas I believe it is our duty as citizens to have high expectations of our elected officials and our legal system and vote and act accordingly. The government is us. Do we as a society wish to solve problems or do we wish to throw up our hands and say "oh well, how can I make things the best for me?" The transformation of our society into a hero worshipping oligarchy is a problem in my opinion. It is at least good that we are talking about it.

NumbersDude wrote:
Whats more funny than the idiots worshipping the mango jesus? Are the karens obsessing still about the orange man long after he lost the election.