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Post by Trapper Gus 2022-12-01, 09:17

Stabenow is up for another term, unless she isn't?

She is the Chair of the Ag committee right now, which is a big deal for Michigan.

And then nationally there is this:

VoteCast, a broad survey of the midterm electorate, found 7 in 10 voters said the high court’s ruling on abortion rights was an important factor in their midterm decisions. VoteCast also showed the decision was broadly unpopular. About 6 in 10 say they are angry or dissatisfied by it. And roughly 6 in 10 say they favor a law guaranteeing access to legal abortion nationwide.

https://apnews.com/article/abortion-voting-rights-us-supreme-court-congress-0f64d8fc75981c9e634ae3ac5ac9930e


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https://apnews.com/article/abortion-pennsylvania-reproductive-rights-e5eb366a76995619a2c9bae200f414e6



Voters with no religious affiliation supported Democratic candidates and abortion rights by staggering percentages in the 2022 midterm elections.

And they’re voting in large numbers. In 2022, some 22% of voters claimed no religious affiliation, according to AP VoteCast, an expansive survey of more than 94,000 voters nationwide. They contributed to voting coalitions that gave Democrats victories in battleground states such as Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Arizona.
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Post by Trapper Gus 2022-12-04, 10:36

People are talking about Warnock.

If Sen. Raphael Warnock (D-Ga.) wins his runoff Tuesday, expect rising buzz he could be a promising Democratic presidential candidate in 2024, if President Biden doesn't run, or beyond...
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Post by Rick Saunders 2022-12-05, 15:25

Trapper Gus wrote:People are talking about Warnock.

If Sen. Raphael Warnock (D-Ga.) wins his runoff Tuesday, expect rising buzz he could be a promising Democratic presidential candidate in 2024, if President Biden doesn't run, or beyond...

Warnock might be a great candidate. I really don't know. But I am pretty tired of just trying to think of presidential candidates on the basis of whether they have won in the south or in a "red" state or etc. etc. or whether they could win or anything else other than can they lead, are they smart, are their policies in line with our priorities, do they have some experience working in government at a high level. Maybe Warnock hits all of those boxes (yes to the service obviously especially if he continues in the senate), I don't know. He's not my candidate for senate so I haven't bothered to pay much attention from that perspective.
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Post by Robert J Sakimano 2022-12-05, 15:53

I love Joe Biden.. probably the greatest president of my lifetime in terms of what he was facing coming into the office, how he handled it and put our country on a track back to decency, prosperity and greatness.

however, his job is mostly done and I'd like to see him turn the keys over to someone else for 2024. Who that person is, I have no idea. That's a challenge Democrats will be facing moving forward.

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Post by NigelUno 2022-12-05, 19:51

Trapper Gus wrote:People are talking about Warnock.

If Sen. Raphael Warnock (D-Ga.) wins his runoff Tuesday, expect rising buzz he could be a promising Democratic presidential candidate in 2024, if President Biden doesn't run, or beyond...

Who said that?

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Post by GRR Spartan 2022-12-05, 21:35

If Biden steps aside I guessing the Democrats may nominate CA Gov. Gavin Newsome, Illinois Gov Pritzker or NJ junior US Senator Cory Booker.

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Post by Trapper Gus 2022-12-06, 07:51

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Trapper Gus wrote:People are talking about Warnock.


Who said that?


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Post by Robert J Sakimano 2022-12-06, 08:34

GRR Spartan wrote:If Biden steps aside I guessing the Democrats may nominate CA Gov. Gavin Newsome, Illinois Gov Pritzker or NJ junior US Senator Cory Booker.

I definitely think Newsome is angling for a presidential run.
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Post by steveschneider 2022-12-06, 08:51

GRR Spartan wrote:If Biden steps aside I guessing the Democrats may nominate CA Gov. Gavin Newsome, Illinois Gov Pritzker or NJ junior US Senator Cory Booker.


I’ll bet any takers it’s Biden Harris in 2024.

I keep thinking of all the possible scenarios and keep coming back to the fact it isn’t easy to replace greatness.
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Post by Trapper Gus 2022-12-06, 08:52

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GRR Spartan wrote:If Biden steps aside I guessing the Democrats may nominate CA Gov. Gavin Newsome, Illinois Gov Pritzker or NJ junior US Senator Cory Booker.

I definitely think Newsome is angling for a presidential run.

I'm hoping Biden remains very healthy and runs for a second term.  He may be the best President we have had since Ike.

Not really familiar with the leanings of any of those three, personally want a progressive leaning President like Biden.


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Post by Trapper Gus 2022-12-07, 08:08

After 2 years of Republican obstruction at the federal level & 2 years of Democratic control getting things done at the state level it is very likely to be a "Blue Wave" election in Michigan in 2024.
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Post by Trapper Gus 2022-12-15, 08:35

A substantial chunk of Republican voters still believe that the party’s establishment is as bad, if not worse, than liberals and Democrats. They believe the Mitch McConnells (sic) of the world feign support for the MAGA movement but only care about protecting their positions of power.

https://rollcall.com/2022/12/14/the-beginning-of-the-end-for-donald-trump-probably/
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Post by Trapper Gus 2022-12-17, 09:21

Some of these names are questionable, but here is a list of potential Democratic Candidates for President

The Democrats Have a Deeper Bench Than You Think

Joe Biden

1 - Vice President Kamala Harris
2 - California Governor Gavin Newsom
3 - Secretary of Transportation Pete Buttigieg
4 - Rep. Tim Ryan
5 - Beto O’Rourke
6 - Stacey Abrams
7 - Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer
8 - Montana Governor Steve Bullock
9 - Senator Elizabeth Warren
10 - Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro
11 - Senator John Fetterman
12 - Senator Raphael Warnock
13 - Judge Cheri Beasley
14 - Maryland Governor Wes Moore
15 - Senator Mark Kelly
16 - Senator Tammy Baldwin
17 - Colorado Governor Jared Polis
18 - Senator Bernie Sanders
19 - Senator Cory Booker
20 - North Carolina Governor Roy Cooper
21 - US House Representative Ro Khanna
22 - Senator Amy Klobuchar
23 - New Jersey Governor Phil Murphy
24 - Illinois Governor JB Pritzker


https://www.thebulwark.com/the-democrats-have-a-deeper-bench-than-you-think/


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Post by Trapper Gus 2022-12-27, 09:25

Looks like the Republicans are stuck at 38% of the independent vote, while the Democratics have reason to worry about a falling share.

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https://www.axios.com/2022/12/27/republicans-independent-voters-poll
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https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/12/29/2024-candidates-2022-00074972

Donald Trump

1 - Florida Governor Ron DeSantis
2 - Ex-VP Mike Pence
3 - John Bolton
4 - Ex US Representative Liz Cheney
5 - Ex New Jersey Governor Chris Christie
6 - New Hampshire Governor Chris Sununu
7 - Ex Governor Nikki Haley
8 - Ex Maryland Governor Larry Hogan
9 - Ex Arkansas Governor Asa Hutchinson
10 - South Dakota Governor Kristi Noem
11 - Mike Pompeo
12 - Senator Ted Cruz
13 - Senator Marco Rubio
14 - Senator Tim Scott
15 - Georgia Governor Brian Kemp
16 - Virginia Governor Glenn Youngkin
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Post by Trapper Gus 2023-01-17, 08:44

Paul Krugman wrote:If the midterm elections could be rerun this month, Democrats would probably end up in full control of Congress. President Biden’s approval ratings are rising. Inflation is down, and consumers are feeling more optimistic. And Americans are getting a better look at the G.O.P.’s actual policy agenda, which is deeply unpopular.

OK, we don’t give politicians who lost an election the opportunity for a mulligan, even when they falsely claim that the election was stolen. But it is, I think, worth noting just how much the economic and hence political environment has shifted in the past few months, and to start thinking seriously about the possibility that Democrats might be in a startlingly strong position next year.

the Democratic Party may win back the US House & may win the Presidency, though it is way too early to make predictions, however, the Senate map is brutal for the Democratic Party with three states which have trended Red, Ohio, West Virgina & Montana with Democratic Senators. With Debbie retiring Michigan is probably in play too.
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Trapper Gus wrote:https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/12/29/2024-candidates-2022-00074972

Donald Trump

1 - Florida Governor Ron DeSantis
2 - Ex-VP Mike Pence
3 - John Bolton
4 - Ex US Representative Liz Cheney
5 - Ex New Jersey Governor Chris Christie
6 - New Hampshire Governor Chris Sununu
7 - Ex Governor Nikki Haley
8 - Ex Maryland Governor Larry Hogan
9 - Ex Arkansas Governor Asa Hutchinson
10 - South Dakota Governor Kristi Noem
11 - Mike Pompeo
12 - Senator Ted Cruz
13 - Senator Marco Rubio
14 - Senator Tim Scott
15 - Georgia Governor Brian Kemp
16 - Virginia Governor Glenn Youngkin
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Post by Trapper Gus 2023-02-04, 08:59

After a shellacking that wiped them out of power in every branch of state government for the first time in 40 years, Michigan Republicans are discordantly wrestling with an uncertain future.

The front-runners to be the next state GOP chair are failed candidates from 2022 who lost their races after hewing closely to former President Donald Trump’s election conspiracy theories. A sizable faction of Republican state lawmakers, meanwhile, is eager to move on from Trump, who is running for the White House again in 2024, and encouraging Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis to challenge him.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/michigan-gop-turmoil-leaders-navigate-tricky-trump-terrain-rcna68276
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After a shellacking that wiped them out of power in every branch of state government for the first time in 40 years, Michigan Republicans are discordantly wrestling with an uncertain future.

The front-runners to be the next state GOP chair are failed candidates from 2022 who lost their races after hewing closely to former President Donald Trump’s election conspiracy theories. A sizable faction of Republican state lawmakers, meanwhile, is eager to move on from Trump, who is running for the White House again in 2024, and encouraging Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis to challenge him.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/michigan-gop-turmoil-leaders-navigate-tricky-trump-terrain-rcna68276
it'll be fun watching the racist, bigoted, christian sexual predator and DeathSantis going at it like the "poor me" whiny brats they both are.

I don't think that DeathSantis's racist, bigoted, misogynistic anti-America act will play that well in states like Michigan, Pennsylvania, etc.
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Post by Trapper Gus 2023-02-10, 11:19

Listing the possibles in order with strikeouts for ones not in the running

Democratic:
Joe Biden

1 - Vice President Kamala Harris
2 - California Governor Gavin Newsom
3 - Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer
4 - Senator Bernie Sanders
5 - Senator Elizabeth Warren
6 - Senator Raphael Warnock
7 - Secretary of Transportation Pete Buttigieg
8 - Beto O’Rourke
9 - Stacey Abrams
10 - Senator Cory Booker
11 - Senator Amy Klobuchar
12 - Maryland Governor Wes Moore
13 - Senator Mark Kelly
14 - Senator Tammy Baldwin
15 - Colorado Governor Jared Polis
16 - North Carolina Governor Roy Cooper
17 - Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro
18 - New Jersey Governor Phil Murphy
19 - Illinois Governor JB Pritzker
20 - Rep. Tim Ryan
21 - Montana Governor Steve Bullock
22 - Senator John Fetterman
23 - Judge Cheri Beasley
24 - US House Representative Ro Khanna
25 - Gina Raimondo

Republican:
1 - Donald Trump
1a - Florida Governor Ron DeSantis

2 - Ex-VP Mike Pence
3 - Ex Governor Nikki Haley
4 - Georgia Governor Brian Kemp
5 - Virginia Governor Glenn Youngkin
6 - New Hampshire Governor Chris Sununu
7 - South Dakota Governor Kristi Noem
8 - Ex Maryland Governor Larry Hogan
9 - Ex Arkansas Governor Asa Hutchinson
10 - Mike Pompeo
11 - Senator Ted Cruz
12 - Senator Marco Rubio
13 - Senator Tim Scott
14 - Ex New Jersey Governor Chris Christie
15 - John Bolton
16 - Ex US Representative Liz Cheney


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Post by AvgMSUJoe 2023-02-10, 15:48

That whole list and you didn't even have one of the ones I like...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gina_Raimondo
Secretary of Commerce... Harvard, Yale, Oxford... former Governor. Supposedly, a business oriented Dem.
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AvgMSUJoe wrote:That whole list and you didn't even have one of the ones I like...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gina_Raimondo
Secretary of Commerce... Harvard, Yale, Oxford... former Governor. Supposedly, a business oriented Dem.

Sorry, the articles I found didn't list her as a contender, but I'll edit and add her just for you because I am a great and friendly poster.
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Post by Trapper Gus 2023-02-25, 20:00

https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-government/whos-out-race-succeed-us-sen-debbie-stabenow-michigan

So a list of possibles to run for US Senator from Michigan.

John James is off the list.

There are a couple of US Congress people being talked about that I and other swillers wish would stay off the list.

The current Lt. Gov is an interesting idea, though maybe he would run for Governor in 2026

Who isn't running?

Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, Democrat
U.S. Rep. Haley Stevens, Democrat
U.S. Secretary of Transportation Pete Buttigieg, Democrat
State Sen. Mallory McMorrow, Democrat
U.S. Rep. John James, Republican
Lt. Gov. Garlin Gilchrist, Democrat
Former Lt. Gov. Brian Calley, Republican
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Post by Trapper Gus 2023-02-27, 12:54

DetFreep wrote:Michigan Republican Party reliant on just 2 donor families, records show

Troy attorney Linda Orlans says she was drawn to the Michigan Republican Party because she believes in hard work, entrepreneurship and a tax climate supportive of small business.

Between 2007 and 2013, Orlans gave the state party eight checks totaling $80,000, records show. But she has given nothing since.

"I just think they lost their soul," said Orlans, who said the party has shifted to the "extreme right," is not focused on solving problems and increasingly espouses an anti-woman philosophy. "The more I saw, the more I was disenchanted with the direction of the party."

Orlans is not alone. A Free Press analysis of state campaign finance records found the Michigan Republican Party has seen such a drop-off in its donor base that 58% of the money it raised from individual donors since 2018 came from just two sources: Ron Weiser and the DeVos family.
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https://www.cleveland.com/news/2023/02/ohios-ex-chief-justice-maureen-oconnor-wants-redistricting-amendment-on-november-2024-ballots.html

Ohio to attempt, once again, to create fair districts.
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Post by TravelinMan 2023-03-01, 11:21

I'd love to see Jared Polis (D) vs. Elizabeth Cheney (R).

I'd love to own a 1962 Ferrari 250 GTO and date Taylor Swift, too, but such is life.
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TravelinMan wrote:I'd love to see Jared Polis (D) vs. Elizabeth Cheney (R).

I'd love to own a 1962 Ferrari 250 GTO and date Taylor Swift, too, but such is life.

If Biden doesn't run the field for the Dems is wide open, Chaney is a lost cause unless she goes third party.

Polis's economic principles, as far as can be seen, suck.
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Post by TravelinMan 2023-03-01, 11:47

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TravelinMan wrote:I'd love to see Jared Polis (D) vs. Elizabeth Cheney (R).

I'd love to own a 1962 Ferrari 250 GTO and date Taylor Swift, too, but such is life.

If Biden doesn't run the field for the Dems is wide open, Chaney is a lost cause unless she goes third party.

Polis's economic principles, as far as can be seen, suck.

What do you have against Polis' economic principles?

Governor Polis’ priority is to foster an economy that works for everyone and protect what makes Colorado the best state in the country to live, work, start a business, raise a family, and retire.

By growing our economy through good-paying green jobs that can never be outsourced, employee-owned business creation, and infrastructure to enable entrepreneurship in all parts of the state, the Polis Administration will safeguard our Colorado way of life and ensure more Coloradans benefit from the state’s economic growth.

The Polis Administration is prepared to hit the ground running by taking on efforts to expand access to broadband services, ensure equal pay for equal work, and support our rich tradition of farming and ranching with the tools needed in a 21st Century economy. These advances will go hand-in-hand with steps to protect the most important part of our economy: working Coloradans.

And Governor Polis is dedicated to keeping Colorado affordable. By focusing on implementing policies that distribute tax break benefits fairly, the administration is committed to putting working families before special interests.


Sounds OK to me.
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TravelinMan wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:

If Biden doesn't run the field for the Dems is wide open, Chaney is a lost cause unless she goes third party.

Polis's economic principles, as far as can be seen, suck.

What do you have against Polis' economic principles?

Governor Polis’ priority is to foster an economy that works for everyone and protect what makes Colorado the best state in the country to live, work, start a business, raise a family, and retire.

By growing our economy through good-paying green jobs that can never be outsourced, employee-owned business creation, and infrastructure to enable entrepreneurship in all parts of the state, the Polis Administration will safeguard our Colorado way of life and ensure more Coloradans benefit from the state’s economic growth.

The Polis Administration is prepared to hit the ground running by taking on efforts to expand access to broadband services, ensure equal pay for equal work, and support our rich tradition of farming and ranching with the tools needed in a 21st Century economy. These advances will go hand-in-hand with steps to protect the most important part of our economy: working Coloradans.

And Governor Polis is dedicated to keeping Colorado affordable. By focusing on implementing policies that distribute tax break benefits fairly, the administration is committed to putting working families before special interests.


Sounds OK to me.

I bet he says he loves puppies and kittens, too.  Meaning that statement is pure feel-good BS, giving no indication of what policies he supports to accomplish these platitudes.

IMO the US, since the JFK, LBJ, Nixon, Ford, Carter & Reagen Administrations forced a hard right turn back to the principles of government policies which were being followed prior to Theordore Roosevelt, has been sliding down the slippery slope to a country of Kings, Lords & Serfs.  Biden is really the first President to challenge some of that in any meaningful way, and that is partly due to Biden himself but mostly due to the increasing power of the Progressive Wing of the Democratic Congress.

I see nothing in Governor Polis which suggests that his economic policies would be strongly pro-worker (the 99%) and strongly anti-corporate leaders (the 1%), and his background suggest that he would be the opposite.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jared_Polis
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Post by TravelinMan 2023-03-01, 12:55

Trapper Gus wrote:
TravelinMan wrote:

What do you have against Polis' economic principles?

Governor Polis’ priority is to foster an economy that works for everyone and protect what makes Colorado the best state in the country to live, work, start a business, raise a family, and retire.

By growing our economy through good-paying green jobs that can never be outsourced, employee-owned business creation, and infrastructure to enable entrepreneurship in all parts of the state, the Polis Administration will safeguard our Colorado way of life and ensure more Coloradans benefit from the state’s economic growth.

The Polis Administration is prepared to hit the ground running by taking on efforts to expand access to broadband services, ensure equal pay for equal work, and support our rich tradition of farming and ranching with the tools needed in a 21st Century economy. These advances will go hand-in-hand with steps to protect the most important part of our economy: working Coloradans.

And Governor Polis is dedicated to keeping Colorado affordable. By focusing on implementing policies that distribute tax break benefits fairly, the administration is committed to putting working families before special interests.


Sounds OK to me.

I bet he says he loves puppies and kittens, too.  Meaning that statement is pure feel-good BS, giving no indication of what policies he supports to accomplish these platitudes.

IMO the US, since the JFK, LBJ, Nixon, Ford, Carter & Reagen Administrations forced a hard right turn back to the principles of government policies which were being followed prior to Theordore Roosevelt, has been sliding down the slippery slope to a country of Kings, Lords & Serfs.  Biden is really the first President to challenge some of that in any meaningful way, and that is partly due to Biden himself but mostly due to the increasing power of the Progressive Wing of the Democratic Congress.

I see nothing in Governor Polis which suggests that his economic policies would be strongly pro-worker (the 99%) and strongly anti-corporate leaders (the 1%), and his background suggest that he would be the opposite.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jared_Polis

I mean... his political fluff is just as fluffy as anyone else's, I guess.

Colorado is a tricky state. Very strong mix of liberal blue and hardcore right red. Polis somehow manages to appeal to both sides. No politician is perfect, but I like him. He's far more palatable and likely to work the middle than Bernie, AOC, Beto, Warren, and that type.
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Post by Trapper Gus 2023-03-01, 13:08

TravelinMan wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:

I bet he says he loves puppies and kittens, too.  Meaning that statement is pure feel-good BS, giving no indication of what policies he supports to accomplish these platitudes.

IMO the US, since the JFK, LBJ, Nixon, Ford, Carter & Reagen Administrations forced a hard right turn back to the principles of government policies which were being followed prior to Theordore Roosevelt, has been sliding down the slippery slope to a country of Kings, Lords & Serfs.  Biden is really the first President to challenge some of that in any meaningful way, and that is partly due to Biden himself but mostly due to the increasing power of the Progressive Wing of the Democratic Congress.

I see nothing in Governor Polis which suggests that his economic policies would be strongly pro-worker (the 99%) and strongly anti-corporate leaders (the 1%), and his background suggest that he would be the opposite.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jared_Polis

I mean... his political fluff is just as fluffy as anyone else's, I guess.

Colorado is a tricky state.  Very strong mix of liberal blue and hardcore right red.  Polis somehow manages to appeal to both sides.  No politician is perfect, but I like him.  He's far more palatable and likely to work the middle than Bernie, AOC, Beto, Warren, and that type.

I agree that he seems like a good politician, and in my book that is not an insult, what politicians do is very hard to do, and I respect them for that.

However, I am expressing my opinion of him, not evaluating his chances, and the lack of any statement of position on economic issues, beyond fluff, which smart politically, concerns me.  Remember that my fav last time was Senator Warren, who has astutely managed to put a number of her people in the Biden administration where they are doing well at creating a rational economic set of policies which are moving the economy back to one that works for the workers.

I do like that he is a Governor, which typically means that he has more experience running a government than say a Senator. Biden is sort of a special case, having so much time in Washington and of course having been the Veep.

One other item, which while there and which is a huge concern, but not so much as economics, is his seeming lack of foreign policy exposure, which maybe in the 1990's would not be an issue, but now that we are smack dab back in "The Great Game" is a concern.
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Post by TravelinMan 2023-03-01, 13:26

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TravelinMan wrote:

I mean... his political fluff is just as fluffy as anyone else's, I guess.

Colorado is a tricky state.  Very strong mix of liberal blue and hardcore right red.  Polis somehow manages to appeal to both sides.  No politician is perfect, but I like him.  He's far more palatable and likely to work the middle than Bernie, AOC, Beto, Warren, and that type.

I agree that he seems like a good politician, and in my book that is not an insult, what politicians do is very hard to do, and I respect them for that.

However, I am expressing my opinion of him, not evaluating his chances, and the lack of any statement of position on economic issues, beyond fluff, which smart politically, concerns me.  Remember that my fav last time was Senator Warren, who has astutely managed to put a number of her people in the Biden administration where they are doing well at creating a rational economic set of policies which are moving the economy back to one that works for the workers.

I do like that he is a Governor, which typically means that he has more experience running a government than say a Senator. Biden is sort of a special case, having so much time in Washington and of course having been the Veep.

One other item, which while there and which is a huge concern, but not so much as economics, is his seeming lack of foreign policy exposure, which maybe in the 1990's would not be an issue, but now that we are smack dab back in "The Great Game" is a concern.

Yeah, as moderate as I think I am, you and I are very different on economics. LOL!

Polis doesn't stand a chance in hell. But as I implied in my original response, a man can wish.

He would definitely need a strong VP with international experience. No question.
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Post by Trapper Gus 2023-03-02, 08:50

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Trapper Gus wrote:

I agree that he seems like a good politician, and in my book that is not an insult, what politicians do is very hard to do, and I respect them for that.

However, I am expressing my opinion of him, not evaluating his chances, and the lack of any statement of position on economic issues, beyond fluff, which smart politically, concerns me.  Remember that my fav last time was Senator Warren, who has astutely managed to put a number of her people in the Biden administration where they are doing well at creating a rational economic set of policies which are moving the economy back to one that works for the workers.

I do like that he is a Governor, which typically means that he has more experience running a government than say a Senator. Biden is sort of a special case, having so much time in Washington and of course having been the Veep.

One other item, which while there and which is a huge concern, but not so much as economics, is his seeming lack of foreign policy exposure, which maybe in the 1990's would not be an issue, but now that we are smack dab back in "The Great Game" is a concern.

Yeah, as moderate as I think I am, you and I are very different on economics. LOL!

Polis doesn't stand a chance in hell. But as I implied in my original response, a man can wish.

He would definitely need a strong VP with international experience. No question.

My POV on economics is has been for years that the basic belief put forth in "Wealth of Nations" and taken as gospel for over 200 years since WoN was published, that "man" is a rational economic actor, is wrong.

Thankfully, in the last 20 years or so, there has been a revolution in economic research which shows that "man" does not act in a rational way regarding economic decisions. However, with Economics based on over 200 years of theories based on an assumption that is wrong the basis of economics known by us uneducated peons are completely wrong, but it is what is still taught, as it takes decades for new theories to grow into the foundation of any discipline.

All that almost TG level comment of economics to say that the Governor may not be as long a shot as you think, but that depends of what Biden does.
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Meanwhile, on the Trump side of things, and I say Trump because it is no use pretending that the Republican Party exists without him, here is a clip of who "folks in the (Mio) dinner" support.

https://www.axios.com/2023/03/02/republican-2024-primary-fox-news-desantis-trump
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Former MI GOP leadership thinks if GOP Chairperson Karamo can get things together and calm donors MI US Senate seat is winnable if they nominate former Congressman Pete Meijer or former car dealer and failed MI candidate Renke. 

Because Biden won MI by 3% in 2020 he’s vulnerable and Whitmer only won by 9.5% because of her weak opponent.  They forget Trump ‘s winning margin in 2016 was a whooping 0.23 %.

One was honest enough to admit it’s going to be tough with the GOP chair still claiming she’s the real MI Sec of State although she lost by nearly 14%.  

Pete Meijer might win if he ran as an independent but with Trumpites  running the MI GOP their likely to do more damage to his campaign than who ever gets the Democrats win in the primary.
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Trapper Gus wrote:Meanwhile, on the Trump side of things, and I say Trump because it is no use pretending that the Republican Party exists without him, here is a clip of who "folks in the (Mio) dinner" support.

https://www.axios.com/2023/03/02/republican-2024-primary-fox-news-desantis-trump

For the Republicans, I once again find myself in 2015. I keep telling myself that there is no way Trump will be the nominee. It's just too far fetched. Too ridiculous. There's no way that people would vote for that guy. People will come to their senses.

I maintained that position until about 10:00 pm on voting day.
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GRR Spartan wrote:Former MI GOP leadership thinks if GOP Chairperson Karamo can get things together and calm donors MI US Senate seat is winnable if they nominate former Congressman Pete Meijer or former car dealer and failed MI candidate Renke. 

Because Biden won MI by 3% in 2020 he’s vulnerable and Whitmer only won by 9.5% because of her weak opponent.  They forget Trump ‘s winning margin in 2016 was a whooping 0.23 %.

One was honest enough to admit it’s going to be tough with the GOP chair still claiming she’s the real MI Sec of State although she lost by nearly 14%.  

Pete Meijer might win if he ran as an independent but with Trumpites  running the MI GOP their likely to do more damage to his campaign than who ever gets the Democrats win in the primary.

While hating the policies that Meijer would support his vote on impeachment would give him cover to claim to be honorable.
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