Re: The 2024 US House & Senate (& Presidential Election) and the Michigan Legislature - Who do you Think Wins?

by **DWags** 2023-04-11, 09:15

Trapper Gus wrote:Will abortion be a major factor in 2024?

https://www.axios.com/2023/04/11/republicans-aborrion-pill-ruling-2024

It’s the classic “Republican dog chasing abortion car” for decades. Well, they finally caught it.

Now what?

by **Trapper Gus** 2023-04-11, 09:35

DWags wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:Will abortion be a major factor in 2024?

https://www.axios.com/2023/04/11/republicans-aborrion-pill-ruling-2024

It’s the classic “Republican dog chasing abortion car” for decades. Well, they finally caught it.

Now what?

Yes, you are right.

However, the elections which really have been landslides seem to combine the access for abortion with a general access for fair elections and representation such as voting rights, here in the 2022 Michigan election or a promise of less partisan gerrymandering as in the Wisconsin election.

by **Jake from State Farm** 2023-04-11, 09:45

Trapper Gus wrote:Will abortion be a major factor in 2024?

https://www.axios.com/2023/04/11/republicans-aborrion-pill-ruling-2024

I would hope it doesn't come down to that, but it probably will. If it brings out the younger vote, then good.

I saw a comment the other day. The only reason republicans are against abortion is because it insures a steady stream of less educated workers to be exploited.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2023-04-11, 12:08

reproductive rights and reproductive health is consistently the winning issue for Democrats.

take advantage of it according, Dems.

by AvgMSUJoe 2023-04-11, 12:15

Shocking that the idiot Rs weren't all in on the "just rile up the base" scam vs. Actually doing something and facing repercussions.
I suppose this is more side effects of the loss of control to the "base".

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2023-04-11, 12:47

AvgMSUJoe wrote:Shocking that the idiot Rs weren't all in on the "just rile up the base" scam vs. Actually doing something and facing repercussions.
I suppose this is more side effects of the loss of control to the "base".

instead of expanding their platform to possibly include an evolving American demographic, the GOP made the short-term decision to outrage their current base via silly, manufactured culture war issues.

it might work in certain pockets of the United States, especially in the gerrymandered ones, but it's not a winning formula nationally.

In fact, in the last handful of elections, the only thing that has kept an incompetent Democrat party experiencing marginal levels of success is the absolute inability of the GOP to connect with anyone beyond their knuckle-scraping base.

if the Democrats on the national level could ever get their stuff together, it would be a great day for America. Just look at what happened in Michigan in 2022.

by sεяεηιτλ 2023-04-11, 13:21

AvgMSUJoe wrote:Shocking that the idiot Rs weren't all in on the "just rile up the base" scam vs. Actually doing something and facing repercussions.
I suppose this is more side effects of the loss of control to the "base".

They did the one thing that ensured they lose control of the issue and thus the messaging and elections. Once you bring in a partisan into the court, all it takes is some crazy organization filing a lawsuit to usurp republican authority and influence. Remember: quite literally EVERYONE was warning Republicans and Trump how what they were doing was deleterious to our country. Now the inmates rule the asylum. Mitch mconnel has to be pretty pissed. He had pretty much perfected the art of complaining, gain power, and then do nothing of consequence. But they went a step too far and of course now we have to worry about a national ban from these zealots so they ensured Democrat engagement.

by **InTenSity** 2023-04-11, 13:26

I'd like to see Whitmer debate desantis. She would just destroy the little man he thinks he is.

by **Floyd Robertson** 2023-04-11, 14:30

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They just can't get out of their own way, or stop stepping in the shitpile, regardless of the RNC rules. Find a better workaround.

by **Trapper Gus** 2023-04-11, 14:51

Floyd Robertson wrote:[tw]1645823236687495168[/tw]

They just can't get out of their own way, or stop stepping in the shitpile, regardless of the RNC rules. Find a better workaround.

Is this partly because of the Democratic Party changing the date of the primary?

by **Floyd Robertson** 2023-04-11, 14:55

Trapper Gus wrote:
Floyd Robertson wrote:[tw]1645823236687495168[/tw]

They just can't get out of their own way, or stop stepping in the shitpile, regardless of the RNC rules. Find a better workaround.

Is this partly because of the Democratic Party changing the date of the primary?

The new primary date in late February conflicts with an RNC mandate that a state can't hold an open primary prior to March 1st without penalty of losing delegates at the national convention or something like that.

by **Trapper Gus** 2023-04-11, 16:22

Floyd Robertson wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:

Is this partly because of the Democratic Party changing the date of the primary?

The new primary date in late February conflicts with an RNC mandate that a state can't hold an open primary prior to March 1st without penalty of losing delegates at the national convention or something like that.

So the Michigan Republicans are caught between a rock and a hard place, just like the Michigan Democratics were in 2008. Sucks to be them, I guess.

by **Trapper Gus** 2023-04-12, 08:44

TP wrote:Listing the possibles in order with strikeouts for ones not in the running & bold for those declared.

Democratic:
Joe Biden

1 - Vice President Kamala Harris
~~2 - California Governor Gavin Newsom~~
~~3 - Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer~~
4 - Senator Bernie Sanders
5 - Senator Elizabeth Warren
6 - Senator Raphael Warnock
7 - Secretary of Transportation Pete Buttigieg
8 - Beto O’Rourke
9 - Stacey Abrams
10 - Senator Cory Booker
11 - Senator Amy Klobuchar
12 - Maryland Governor Wes Moore
13 - Senator Mark Kelly
14 - Senator Tammy Baldwin
15 - Colorado Governor Jared Polis
16 - North Carolina Governor Roy Cooper
17 - Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro
18 - New Jersey Governor Phil Murphy
19 - Illinois Governor JB Pritzker
20 - Rep. Tim Ryan
21 - Montana Governor Steve Bullock
22 - Senator John Fetterman
23 - Judge Cheri Beasley
24 - US House Representative Ro Khanna
25 - Gina Raimondo
26 - Marianne Williamson
27 - Robert F Kennedy Jr

Republican:
1 - Donald Trump
1a - Florida Governor Ron DeSantis

2 - Ex-VP Mike Pence
3 - Ex Governor Nikki Haley
4 - Georgia Governor Brian Kemp
5 - Virginia Governor Glenn Youngkin
6 - New Hampshire Governor Chris Sununu
7 - South Dakota Governor Kristi Noem
8 - Ex Maryland Governor Larry Hogan
9 - Ex Arkansas Governor Asa Hutchinson
10 - Tim Scott
11 - Mike Pompeo
12 - Senator Ted Cruz
13 - Senator Marco Rubio
14 - Senator Tim Scott
15 - Ex New Jersey Governor Chris Christie
16 - John Bolton
17 - Ex US Representative Liz Cheney

https://www.axios.com/2023/04/12/tim-scott-2024-presidential-committee-announcement

by **Jake from State Farm** 2023-04-13, 13:24

Sounds to me like she not giving up her position as a Senator until they carry her out in a box.

Ms. Feinstein, an 89-year-old California Democrat, has been away from the Senate since February, when she was diagnosed with the infection. Her absence has become a problem for Senate Democrats, limiting their ability to move forward with judicial nominations. In recent days, as it became clear she was not planning to return after a two-week recess, pressure began to increase for Ms. Feinstein to resign.

On Wednesday night, she said she would not do so, but offered a stopgap solution, saying she would request a temporary replacement on the panel.

Feinstein, Under Pressure to Resign, Asks to Step Down From Judiciary Panel

by TravelinMan 2023-04-13, 13:44

Jake from State Farm wrote:Sounds to me like she not giving up her position as a Senator until they carry her out in a box.

Ms. Feinstein, an 89-year-old California Democrat, has been away from the Senate since February, when she was diagnosed with the infection. Her absence has become a problem for Senate Democrats, limiting their ability to move forward with judicial nominations. In recent days, as it became clear she was not planning to return after a two-week recess, pressure began to increase for Ms. Feinstein to resign.

On Wednesday night, she said she would not do so, but offered a stopgap solution, saying she would request a temporary replacement on the panel.

Feinstein, Under Pressure to Resign, Asks to Step Down From Judiciary Panel

That's just silly. We need a mandatory retirement age for the House and Senate.

by **Cameron** 2023-04-13, 17:12

I am ageist and proud of it. Get all these old shitheads out of there. 70+ is too damn old to be trusted with anything of even remote importance.

by **Trapper Gus** 2023-04-14, 07:26

TravelinMan wrote:
Jake from State Farm wrote:Sounds to me like she not giving up her position as a Senator until they carry her out in a box.

Ms. Feinstein, an 89-year-old California Democrat, has been away from the Senate since February, when she was diagnosed with the infection. Her absence has become a problem for Senate Democrats, limiting their ability to move forward with judicial nominations. In recent days, as it became clear she was not planning to return after a two-week recess, pressure began to increase for Ms. Feinstein to resign.

On Wednesday night, she said she would not do so, but offered a stopgap solution, saying she would request a temporary replacement on the panel.

Feinstein, Under Pressure to Resign, Asks to Step Down From Judiciary Panel

That's just silly. We need a mandatory retirement age for the House and Senate.

Or maybe a different way of managing the courts.

by **Trapper Gus** 2023-04-15, 09:40

TP wrote:Listing the possibles in order with strikeouts for ones not in the running & bold for those declared.

Democratic:
Joe Biden

1 - Vice President Kamala Harris
~~2 - California Governor Gavin Newsom~~
~~3 - Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer~~
4 - Senator Bernie Sanders
5 - Senator Elizabeth Warren
6 - Senator Raphael Warnock
7 - Secretary of Transportation Pete Buttigieg
8 - Beto O’Rourke
9 - Stacey Abrams
10 - Senator Cory Booker
11 - Senator Amy Klobuchar
12 - Maryland Governor Wes Moore
13 - Senator Mark Kelly
14 - Senator Tammy Baldwin
15 - Colorado Governor Jared Polis
16 - North Carolina Governor Roy Cooper
17 - Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro
18 - New Jersey Governor Phil Murphy
19 - Illinois Governor JB Pritzker
20 - Rep. Tim Ryan
21 - Montana Governor Steve Bullock
22 - Senator John Fetterman
23 - Judge Cheri Beasley
24 - US House Representative Ro Khanna
25 - Gina Raimondo
26 - Marianne Williamson
27 - Robert F Kennedy Jr

Republican:
1 - Donald Trump
1a - Florida Governor Ron DeSantis

2 - Ex-VP Mike Pence
3 - Ex Governor Nikki Haley
4 - Georgia Governor Brian Kemp
5 - Virginia Governor Glenn Youngkin
6 - New Hampshire Governor Chris Sununu
7 - South Dakota Governor Kristi Noem
8 - Ex Maryland Governor Larry Hogan
9 - Ex Arkansas Governor Asa Hutchinson
~~10 - Mike Pompeo~~
11 - Senator Ted Cruz
12 - Senator Marco Rubio
13 - Senator Tim Scott
14 - Ex New Jersey Governor Chris Christie
15 - John Bolton
16 - Ex US Representative Liz Cheney

https://apnews.com/article/mike-pompeo-2024-election-trump-f6efdf00dc101d50292a58f5ee78fb82

by **Trapper Gus** 2023-04-15, 09:56

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by **Trapper Gus** 2023-04-20, 10:45

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by **Floyd Robertson** 2023-04-20, 11:21

Trapper Gus wrote:[tw]1648518134507380738[/tw]

Nailed it.

by **Trapper Gus** 2023-04-24, 16:25

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by **Trapper Gus** 2023-04-25, 15:22

TP wrote:Listing the possibles in order with strikeouts for ones not in the running & bold for those declared.

Democratic:
1 - Joe Biden

~~1 - Vice President Kamala Harris~~
~~2 - California Governor Gavin Newsom~~
~~3 - Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer~~
~~4 - Senator Bernie Sanders~~
~~5 - Senator Elizabeth Warren~~
~~6 - Senator Raphael Warnock~~
~~7 - Secretary of Transportation Pete Buttigieg~~
~~8 - Beto O’Rourke~~
9 - Stacey Abrams
~~10 - Senator Cory Booker~~
~~11 - Senator Amy Klobuchar~~
12 - Maryland Governor Wes Moore
~~13 - Senator Mark Kelly~~
~~14 - Senator Tammy Baldwin~~
15 - Colorado Governor Jared Polis
16 - North Carolina Governor Roy Cooper
~~17 - Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro~~
18 - New Jersey Governor Phil Murphy
19 - Illinois Governor JB Pritzker
~~20 - Rep. Tim Ryan~~
21 - Montana Governor Steve Bullock
~~22 - Senator John Fetterman~~
23 - Judge Cheri Beasley
~~24 - US House Representative Ro Khanna~~
25 - Gina Raimondo
26 - Marianne Williamson
27 - Robert F Kennedy Jr

My guess is that we can probably strike out most of the Democratic possibles on the list now that Biden has announced.

Republican:
1 - Donald Trump
1a - Florida Governor Ron DeSantis

2 - Ex-VP Mike Pence
3 - Ex Governor Nikki Haley
4 - Georgia Governor Brian Kemp
5 - Virginia Governor Glenn Youngkin
6 - New Hampshire Governor Chris Sununu
7 - South Dakota Governor Kristi Noem
8 - Ex Maryland Governor Larry Hogan
9 - Ex Arkansas Governor Asa Hutchinson
~~10 - Mike Pompeo~~
11 - Senator Ted Cruz
12 - Senator Marco Rubio
13 - Senator Tim Scott
14 - Ex New Jersey Governor Chris Christie
15 - John Bolton
16 - Ex US Representative Liz Cheney
17 - Larry Elder
18 - Vivek Ramaswamy

No-Lable Party:

1) - Joe Lieberman?
2) - Liz Cheney?

https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-election-2024-president-democrats-trump-9c72115656855da89a41cac3f79aa65b

Axios wrote:Rep. Pat Ryan (N.Y.) said: "President Biden stands for freedom, I stand for freedom, it's that simple."

by **Trapper Gus** 2023-04-26, 07:17

https://www.mlive.com/politics/2023/04/democratic-presidential-candidate-marianne-williamson-seeks-an-inspirational-burst-of-energy-at-msu.html

Her argument is U.S. President Joe Biden, who has formally launched his campaign for a second term and is heavily favored to win the nomination, isn’t interested in alleviating economic injustice and reversing the creeping corporate control of the country.

by **Trapper Gus** 2023-04-26, 09:12

At least four Republicans — former South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley, former Arkansas Gov. Asa Hutchinson, right-wing talk radio host Larry Elder, and conservative activist Vivek Ramaswamy — are already challenging Trump, while two more, South Carolina Sen. Tim Scott and former Vice President Mike Pence, are preparing to. And Trump’s disruptive energy will offer Biden another chance to contrast his message with one of Republican chaos. But for that to work, the American people need to know his record.

https://www.vox.com/politics/23696472/joe-biden-2024-presidential-election-kamala-harris

by **Floyd Robertson** 2023-04-26, 13:50

'The state party is dead': Michigan Republicans fear collapse amid leadership crisis

Republicans fear they are on the brink of ceasing to be viable as a party in the state of Michigan following a series of leadership controversies and bad publicity, reported The Hill on Wednesday.

"The state party is facing a slew of negative headlines painting a picture of warring factions in dire financial straits. Last week, reports surfaced that an alleged fight broke out between allies of the party’s new chair, Kristina Karamo, and her former opponent for the position, Matthew DePerno," the report said.

"On top of that, Karamo has faced criticism of her own from both inside and outside the GOP for a number of remarks, including for comparing gun control restrictions to the treatment of Jewish people during the Holocaust."

by **Travis of the Cosmos** 2023-04-26, 14:08

by **Floyd Robertson** 2023-04-26, 14:58

Joe Biden Is Old. Get Over It.

Sen. Mitch McConnell and Biden are roughly the same age. Three other senators are older. The average age of members of the Senate is 67 years. When Sen. Robert Byrd died he was in his ninth term in office and was 92. If Biden is reelected and serves his full second term, he would still leave office younger than two current members of the Senate. Chuck Grassley, just reelected last year at age 89, will be 96 when his current term expires.

by **Cameron** 2023-04-26, 17:00

The fact that there are senators older than Biden doesn't make me feel any better about our government or about Biden himself.

by AvgMSUJoe 2023-04-26, 20:00

Floyd Robertson wrote: 'The state party is dead': Michigan Republicans fear collapse amid leadership crisis

Republicans fear they are on the brink of ceasing to be viable as a party in the state of Michigan following a series of leadership controversies and bad publicity, reported The Hill on Wednesday.

"The state party is facing a slew of negative headlines painting a picture of warring factions in dire financial straits. Last week, reports surfaced that an alleged fight broke out between allies of the party’s new chair, Kristina Karamo, and her former opponent for the position, Matthew DePerno," the report said.

"On top of that, Karamo has faced criticism of her own from both inside and outside the GOP for a number of remarks, including for comparing gun control restrictions to the treatment of Jewish people during the Holocaust."

This news needs to make it to the little old ladies that vote R because they always have. Those people don't know about this.

by **Floyd Robertson** 2023-04-26, 20:09

Cameron wrote:The fact that there are senators older than Biden doesn't make me feel any better about our government or about Biden himself.

The interesting thing about that article is that the most Presidents since Roosevelt have had a wide variety of health problems. The senator age angle was a bonus.

by AvgMSUJoe 2023-04-26, 20:16

Age is irrelevant. It's not like we are hiring a roofer or a distance runner.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2023-04-27, 06:21

Y'all wanna know how stupid America is?

Imagine two guys applying for a job working the cash register at Speedway..

when reviewing the applications, the manager of Speedway thinks to himself.. "one of these applicants was recently charged with 34 felonies.. buuut the other one, whose been doing the job for the last 4 years, is kinda old"...

by **Trapper Gus** 2023-04-27, 07:08

AvgMSUJoe wrote:
Floyd Robertson wrote: 'The state party is dead': Michigan Republicans fear collapse amid leadership crisis

This news needs to make it to the little old ladies that vote R because they always have. Those people don't know about this.

Knowledge & competence doesn't really have a sell by date, other than death. If it is obvious that a elected official is no longer capable the voters can deal with that.

Managed to quote a post not talking about agism. But then I'm an old guy so about 50% of my posts are self owns. scratch

by **Travis of the Cosmos** 2023-04-27, 08:06

Trapper Gus wrote:
AvgMSUJoe wrote:
This news needs to make it to the little old ladies that vote R because they always have. Those people don't know about this.

Knowledge & competence doesn't really have a sell by date, other than death. If it is obvious that a elected official is no longer capable the voters can deal with that.

Uhhhhhhhhhhh

by **Trapper Gus** 2023-04-28, 08:41

https://apnews.com/article/joe-manchin-senate-west-virginia-justice-82a19ba8cb564a45b4b6102bd3f9da8f

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2023-04-28, 11:56

we know the christians don't care..

but to us decent people, let it be known that the leading GOP candidate in 2024, a few weeks after being indicted on 34 felony charges, is currently in a civil trial for rape accusations.

you can now return to being sad about a beer can.

by **Trapper Gus** 2023-04-28, 12:12

https://michiganadvance.com/blog/biden-names-whitmer-as-reelection-campaign-co-chair/

by **Trapper Gus** 2023-05-10, 11:21

Funny that You Tube is making an anti-Trump ad restricted.

by **Jake from State Farm** 2023-05-10, 11:29

Is that the video that's going to play during CNN's Townhall?

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