Re: The 2024 US House & Senate (& Presidential Election) and the Michigan Legislature - Who do you Think Wins?

by AvgMSUJoe Tue 11 Jul 2023 - 14:52

kingstonlake wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator is endorsed in '24 by all of Michigan's republican/libertarian members of Congress.

here's the best part:

Caution: Mainstream Media Link

Hope they’re good at fund raising. Like really, really, good.

lol... MI Rs can't even pay their bills. Just a train wreck.

Hopefully the rest of the country ill follow suit.

by **GRR Spartan** Tue 11 Jul 2023 - 20:58

Every one of those flag waving faux patriotic MF’ing GOP members of Congress from MI who are endorsing Trump are terrorists who are still pissed off he couldn’t overturn the 2020 election.

Their real goal is to stop real elections so they have a permanent majority in Congress, Senate and let any GOP incumbent President leave office when they feel like it.

by **Trapper Gus** Tue 11 Jul 2023 - 21:46

Jake from State Farm wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator is endorsed in '24 by all of Michigan's republican/libertarian members of Congress.

here's the best part:

Caution: Mainstream Media Link

In other words, they're scared shitless that Trump will endorse someone other than them.

This!

The crazies are in charge of the Michigan Republician Party and have changed the rules as to how candidates are selected. These Congress people have to get with the program or be replaced as a candidate.

by **Robert J Sakimano** Wed 12 Jul 2023 - 9:28

seems as good of a place as any to put this.

mainstream media coverage of the christian patriots in the Michigan GOP.. sounds like all is going well in the party who has surrendered everything to an anti-America racist, christian bigot who has been charged with 70+ felonies. The 2024 US House & Senate (& Presidential Election) and the Michigan Legislature - Who do you Think Wins? - Page 7 502811600

The 2024 US House & Senate (& Presidential Election) and the Michigan Legislature - Who do you Think Wins? - Page 7 502811600

explains why republican/libertarians get mad and leave message boards due to criticism of their party, why they create multiple screen names on some dumb message board just to try to distract from their politics, etc.

anyway.. this is a pretty funny 5 minutes of mainstream media coverage (shout out to them for shining a light on the GOP dysfunction and violence. They should do that more often).

by **Trapper Gus** Fri 14 Jul 2023 - 7:29

As Jimmy Carter said:

“It [Citizens United] violates the essence of what made America a great country in its political system. Now it’s just an oligarchy, with unlimited political bribery being the essence of getting the nominations for president or to elect the president.…

“So now we’ve just seen a complete subversion of our political system as a payoff to major contributors, who want and expect and sometimes get favors for themselves after the election’s over.”

by **Floyd Robertson** Mon 17 Jul 2023 - 13:53

IDK know how realistic the end result is, but the idea of it is the scarier than the atomic bomb.

Trump and Allies Forge Plans to Increase Presidential Power in 2025

by **Trapper Gus** Mon 17 Jul 2023 - 14:20

Floyd Robertson wrote:IDK know how realistic the end result is, but the idea of it is the scarier than the atomic bomb.

Trump and Allies Forge Plans to Increase Presidential Power in 2025

These have been the goals of the Republican Party for the last 60 years but most voters aren't paying attention.

A one Party dictatorship with the 99% without any power and the Bill of Rights eliminated.

Now they have the courts held tightly in their control it is only a question of how long it takes. George Wahington was the father of our country, Mitchel McConnell is its hangman.

by **Trapper Gus** Tue 18 Jul 2023 - 9:51

The 2024 election is shaping up to be the clearest division between philosophical differences proposed by the major parties that has occurred in a long time, maybe back to the 1932 election.

As noted above, the Republicans want to destroy the current systems of democracy liberal government for a "winner takes all" conservative form of government for elections. For a party which derides government as "the problem" this is the peak of hypocrisy.

Greene incorrectly called this program “socialism,” which in fact means government ownership of production, as opposed to the government’s provision of benefits people cannot provide individually, a concept first put into practice in the United States by Abraham Lincoln and later expanded by leadership in both parties. The administration has stood firmly behind the idea—shared by LBJ and FDR, and also by Republicans Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt, and Dwight Eisenhower, among others—that investing in programs that enable working people to prosper is the best way to strengthen the economy.

Certainly, Greene’s speech didn’t seem to be the “gotcha” that she apparently hoped. A March 2023 poll by independent health policy pollster KFF, for example, found that 80% of Americans like Social Security, 81% like Medicare, and 76% like Medicaid, a large majority of members of all political parties.

https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/july-17-2023

https://hartmannreport.com/p/is-it-possible-for-america-to-be-cd2

https://gregolear.substack.com/p/american-bastille-day

by **Trapper Gus** Tue 18 Jul 2023 - 10:59

https://michiganadvance.com/2023/07/17/gun-reform-advocate-gabby-giffords-backs-slotkin-for-u-s-senate-at-detroit-event/

During a press event in Detroit on Monday, former U.S. Rep. Gabby Giffords (D-Ariz.) announced that she is endorsing U.S. Rep. Elissa Slotkin (D-Lansing) for U.S. Senate in Michigan in 2024.

“Elissa has the unwavering commitment needed to address the epidemic of gun violence our country faces,” Giffords said. “Having grown up around firearms and worked in national security, she understands that we can respect the rights of gun owners while supporting the common sense reforms needed to keep our families safe.

“In the shadow of tragedies like the shootings at Oxford High School and Michigan State University, she’s put the safety of Michiganders first and worked to pass meaningful gun safety laws. With our gun safety majority in the Senate on the line next fall, we must elect leaders who understand the urgency of this issue — starting with my friend, Elissa. I am proud to endorse her today.”

by **Trapper Gus** Fri 21 Jul 2023 - 9:26

WoPo Details Changing Voter Base

It’s easy to envision the 2024 presidential election becoming the third straight contest in which a veteran Democrat goes up against Donald Trump. Once again, the Democrat wins the popular vote but swing states are tighter. Could go either way — and has, right?

But things are very different this time, and here’s why: The candidates might not be changing — but the electorate has.

Every year, about 4 million Americans turn 18 and gain the right to vote. In the eight years between the 2016 and 2024 elections, that’s 32 million new eligible voters.

Also every year, 2½ million older Americans die. So in the same eight years, that’s as many as 20 million fewer older voters.

by **Robert J Sakimano** Fri 21 Jul 2023 - 11:55

Trapper Gus wrote:WoPo Details Changing Voter Base

It’s easy to envision the 2024 presidential election becoming the third straight contest in which a veteran Democrat goes up against Donald Trump. Once again, the Democrat wins the popular vote but swing states are tighter. Could go either way — and has, right?

But things are very different this time, and here’s why: The candidates might not be changing — but the electorate has.

Every year, about 4 million Americans turn 18 and gain the right to vote. In the eight years between the 2016 and 2024 elections, that’s 32 million new eligible voters.

Also every year, 2½ million older Americans die. So in the same eight years, that’s as many as 20 million fewer older voters.

for the sake of American democracy and basic human decency, I certainly hope this bears out.

by sεяεηιτλ Fri 21 Jul 2023 - 12:54

Trapper Gus wrote:WoPo Details Changing Voter Base

It’s easy to envision the 2024 presidential election becoming the third straight contest in which a veteran Democrat goes up against Donald Trump. Once again, the Democrat wins the popular vote but swing states are tighter. Could go either way — and has, right?

But things are very different this time, and here’s why: The candidates might not be changing — but the electorate has.

Every year, about 4 million Americans turn 18 and gain the right to vote. In the eight years between the 2016 and 2024 elections, that’s 32 million new eligible voters.

Also every year, 2½ million older Americans die. So in the same eight years, that’s as many as 20 million fewer older voters.

You also have to consider motivation. This blurb paints a decidedly one direction trend but that has seemingly been the case for millenials too, which are now older and started voting in the early 00s. Some how, republicans have made up for the strong trends against them. Its a lot of factors but i think the prevailing theory is that radical right wingers are far more motivated to impose their ideology on those that don't agree with them so they come out at a much higher percentage. And isnt there some data out there showing how people tend to switch sides as they age? You would need to factor that in potentially if it's substantial. Millennial are aging and may be joining the Republicans. I have no idea why they would do that but none the less it's worth a look. Basically the blurb is accounting for only the positives for democrats and not looking at the offsetting movement in the other direction. I have no doubt in general the electorate is moving left but it is by no means a shoe in. It's close enough where things like turnout can matter. Even though Biden destroyed Trump in the popular vote, it was not a landslide victory.

by **Robert J Sakimano** Fri 21 Jul 2023 - 13:36

sεяεηιτλ wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:WoPo Details Changing Voter Base

You also have to consider motivation. This blurb paints a decidedly one direction trend but that has seemingly been the case for millenials too, which are now older and started voting in the early 00s. Some how, republicans have made up for the strong trends against them. Its a lot of factors but i think the prevailing theory is that radical right wingers are far more motivated to impose their ideology on those that don't agree with them so they come out at a much higher percentage. And isnt there some data out there showing how people tend to switch sides as they age? You would need to factor that in potentially if it's substantial. Millennial are aging and may be joining the Republicans. I have no idea why they would do that but none the less it's worth a look. Basically the blurb is accounting for only the positives for democrats and not looking at the offsetting movement in the other direction. I have no doubt in general the electorate is moving left but it is by no means a shoe in. It's close enough where things like turnout can matter. Even though Biden destroyed Trump in the popular vote, it was not a landslide victory.

yep.

and while I'm optimistic by the numbers, it's always difficult to factor in the absolute stupidity of America as a country.

by AvgMSUJoe Fri 21 Jul 2023 - 15:47

And shit, people have been saying this same stuff since the 60's... just you wait until all those hippies vote! Peace and love and pot and free love for everyone! Yet here we are, arguing about the same shit we always have.

by **Trapper Gus** Fri 21 Jul 2023 - 17:20

The article linked shows other positive for Progressives so not all bad.

The baby boomers were subverted by a bunch of them bring Jesus Freaks who were pulled into the right wing religious movement.

by **Trapper Gus** Mon 24 Jul 2023 - 9:08

Wonky Insider Joe's Campaign Article

This is too much like inside baseball for me but is how the Biden campaign is operating.

by **Trapper Gus** Fri 4 Aug 2023 - 17:05

A couple of polls in Michigan

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For all of you who want to vote third party or not vote because you are pissed at something Biden has done, or not done, you will be electing Trump, so bear that in mind.

by AvgMSUJoe Fri 4 Aug 2023 - 18:00

I hang up on pollsters.

by **Trapper Gus** Fri 4 Aug 2023 - 18:16

AvgMSUJoe wrote:I hang up on pollsters.

So, your opinion is not counted, however polling is much more than just calling a bunch of people and asking for their opinions. In general, they gather enough information to create what they believe is a creditable cross section of all points of view to create the results.

by **Robert J Sakimano** Sat 5 Aug 2023 - 1:23

Trapper Gus wrote:A couple of polls in Michigan

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For all of you who want to vote third party or not vote because you are pissed at something Biden has done, or not done, you will be electing Trump, so bear that in mind.

America is a stupid country.

by **GRR Spartan** Sat 5 Aug 2023 - 13:38

Former Congressman Mike Rogers was allegedly considering a run to be the GOP US Senate nominee but GOP can’t gerrymander the whole freakin’ state the way they did with his district and they’d have to find another faux candidate stooge like Bonnie Buckeroo as a competing 3rd party progressive to dilute the vote.

That latter could happen if Fred Upton would run as the Common Sense party nominee.

by sεяεηιτλ Sun 6 Aug 2023 - 2:14

Trapper Gus wrote:A couple of polls in Michigan

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For all of you who want to vote third party or not vote because you are pissed at something Biden has done, or not done, you will be electing Trump, so bear that in mind.

Not sure how this goes normally, but does it really make much sense for basically slotkin blowout and a trump/Biden nail biter or Trump win?

by **Travis of the Cosmos** Sun 6 Aug 2023 - 5:22

Trapper Gus wrote:A couple of polls in Michigan

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For all of you who want to vote third party or not vote because you are pissed at something Biden has done, or not done, you will be electing Trump, so bear that in mind.

Gosh I guess if people like that are so influential and we can predict that so far out I guess democrats should do something to win them over with the ample time between now and then instead of just lecturing them for the 10th consecutive year

by **kingstonlake** Sun 6 Aug 2023 - 6:45

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:A couple of polls in Michigan

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For all of you who want to vote third party or not vote because you are pissed at something Biden has done, or not done, you will be electing Trump, so bear that in mind.
Gosh I guess if people like that are so influential and we can predict that so far out I guess democrats should do something to win them over with the ample time between now and then instead of just lecturing them for the 10th consecutive year

Agree but it's not that simple. How many “Penn” types will you lose? Cause those idiots are out there.
Democrats are their own worst enemy and in ways just as stupid as magas

by **Trapper Gus** Sun 6 Aug 2023 - 7:33

sεяεηιτλ wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:A couple of polls in Michigan

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For all of you who want to vote third party or not vote because you are pissed at something Biden has done, or not done, you will be electing Trump, so bear that in mind.

Not sure how this goes normally, but does it really make much sense for basically slotkin blowout and a trump/Biden nail biter or Trump win?

12% undecided for the Biden / Trump race verses 22% to 17% undecided for the Senate.

by **Trapper Gus** Sun 6 Aug 2023 - 7:46

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:A couple of polls in Michigan

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For all of you who want to vote third party or not vote because you are pissed at something Biden has done, or not done, you will be electing Trump, so bear that in mind.
Gosh I guess if people like that are so influential and we can predict that so far out I guess democrats should do something to win them over with the ample time between now and then instead of just lecturing them for the 10th consecutive year

The Democratic Party had one of the most productive Congresses in the last 40 years with the 117th. Did a bunch of stuff for "the People". Sort of a political miracle given they only had a shaky 50 votes in the Senate.

by **Trapper Gus** Thu 10 Aug 2023 - 11:36

https://www.axios.com/2023/08/10/biden-democrats-boost-their-data-game-for-2024

President Biden's campaign — racing Republicans to identify persuadable 2024 voters — is leaning into a recently developed database that includes contact information for 90% of U.S. voters, gleaned from 500 organizations during the past decade.

Why it matters: It's the latest chapter in the information wars between Democrats and Republicans, as both parties scramble for a technological edge in a divided nation where elections often are decided by razor-thin margins.

Very much "inside baseball" reporting, relating to how the Parties are fine tuning their campaigns to reach their voters.

by **Trapper Gus** Wed 16 Aug 2023 - 9:34

https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/15/politics/biden-inflation-reduction-act-trump-indictment/index.html

So with wall to wall Trump coverage is Biden's "just the facts" campaign going to work?

by **GRR Spartan** Wed 16 Aug 2023 - 11:09

Outside shot.

According to the LA Times (paywall). CA Governor Newsome may have an insider out for the state's Feinstein problem and Biden's polling by appointing Kamala Harris to replace Feinstein and Biden gets a new running mate for 2024.

Sounds crazy but no crazier than watching Trumpites and his media sycophants refer to 80 year old President Biden as "Sleepy Joe" while 77 year old Trump rants on social media and rallies about his mythical 2020 loss.

by **Cameron** Wed 16 Aug 2023 - 11:19

I would be extremely pleased if Biden had a new running mate in 2024, being that I don't have great confidence that he will still be alive by 2028.

by **Rocinante** Wed 16 Aug 2023 - 11:52

He’s not going to get a new running mate. This is Joe Biden. Middle Class Joe, Party Stalwart, Been in politics much longer than most of us have been alive. They’re working on revamping Harris’ image. We’ll see, but slow and steady is this admin, not risk-taking.

by **kingstonlake** Wed 16 Aug 2023 - 12:12

Cameron wrote:I would be extremely pleased if Biden had a new running mate in 2024, being that I don't have great confidence that he will still be alive by 2028.

Maybe the issue would be that he is still alive…. Does he become the Feinstein of the Oval Office and do irreparable damage to the party in 2028? There are some middle aged viable 2028 democrats out there. They need to play a huge role in 2024 and maybe give America some confidence that the roster is deep.

by **Trapper Gus** Wed 16 Aug 2023 - 14:36

There are options in the law and the Constitution if the President is unable to perform their duties.

Biden is an old man, this is true in most popular truth value systems but it is also true that mentally he seems pretty much on top of his game.

by **Trapper Gus** Fri 18 Aug 2023 - 9:26

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by aualum06 Sun 20 Aug 2023 - 12:47

This is wild to me

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by **Trapper Gus** Mon 21 Aug 2023 - 8:10

aualum06 wrote:This is wild to me

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Academic work in how different beliefs cause humans to look to specific sources for "the truth" have shown that Conservatives tend to be looking for an authoritarian to tell them the truth. When looking at the fact than many Conservatives are also members of religions which have a "God" which tells them what to believe this makes sense.

by AvgMSUJoe Mon 21 Aug 2023 - 9:46

Jeez, just think if fucking trump had half a brain.

by **Robert J Sakimano** Mon 21 Aug 2023 - 14:00

aualum06 wrote:This is wild to me

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America is a stupid country.

by **DWags** Mon 21 Aug 2023 - 14:05

John James was in my township yesterday touting a 1.2 million dollar grant to improve the metro park bike trail. He was lauding it and saying how everyone should exercise more etc etc.

Problem is, he voted against the bill to send us, his constituents, the money for it.

These fuckers have no bottom.

by **Floyd Robertson** Mon 21 Aug 2023 - 17:35

DWags wrote:John James was in my township yesterday touting a 1.2 million dollar grant to improve the metro park bike trail. He was lauding it and saying how everyone should exercise more etc etc.

Problem is, he voted against the bill to send us, his constituents, the money for it.

These fuckers have no bottom.

It's funny you mention that. I was out riding yesterday. Between Shelby Twp, Utica, Sterling Heights and Rochester I noticed dozens of sidewalk repair projects. I thought to myself, I know where all that money came from. Then I thought, my republican-controlled township board is surely taking credit for the improvements in my own municipality.

BTW, I rode that to Metro Beach in May and it needs the work.

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