Electric Vehicles - Information & Updates

Struggling to se what abortion or Musk has to do with EV's.

So EV's leases will be subsidized, cool!

https://www.autonews.com/retail/commercial-ev-tax-credits-can-be-applied-consumer-leases

Trapper Gus wrote:So EV's leases will be subsidized, cool!

https://www.autonews.com/retail/commercial-ev-tax-credits-can-be-applied-consumer-leases

And in the near future we will have 300 mile range, 15 min charging and the cost will be comparable to vehicles today... govt incentives working as they should.

AvgMSUJoe wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:So EV's leases will be subsidized, cool!

https://www.autonews.com/retail/commercial-ev-tax-credits-can-be-applied-consumer-leases

And in the near future we will have 300 mile range, 15 min charging and the cost will be comparable to vehicles today... govt incentives working as they should.

Those all exist today, just not in the same vehicle.

NigelUno wrote:

YOU touted Musk as a free speech absolutist.  Now you're backtracking by deflecting.  It's cute.  No real harm.  We all know you're a phony.  

Please link us to a post where I said Musk is a free speech absolutist.

I don't think I could be more clear in stating that free speech does not mean you can say anything you want anywhere you want. I have stated that I don't know anybody that thinks that. (FYI, "anybody" would include Musk)

AvgMSUJoe wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:So EV's leases will be subsidized, cool!

https://www.autonews.com/retail/commercial-ev-tax-credits-can-be-applied-consumer-leases

And in the near future we will have 300 mile range, 15 min charging and the cost will be comparable to vehicles today... govt incentives working as they should.

By "near future" you mean what. 50 years?

RQA wrote:

AvgMSUJoe wrote:
And in the near future we will have 300 mile range, 15 min charging and the cost will be comparable to vehicles today... govt incentives working as they should.

By "near future" you mean what. 50 years?

Today

RQA wrote:

AvgMSUJoe wrote:
And in the near future we will have 300 mile range, 15 min charging and the cost will be comparable to vehicles today... govt incentives working as they should.

By "near future" you mean what. 50 years?

Yup... 50 years.

https://www.chevrolet.com/electric/equinox-ev

Sometimes this is too easy.

The Equinox you are touting is not currently available to buy.

Even GM says it will only charge to a 70 mile range in the short time frame you are using.

Pricing?  GM says it will "start" at 30k.   I wonder what you will get for that?

RQA wrote:Sometimes this is too easy.

The Equinox you are touting is not currently available to buy.

Even GM says it will only charge to a 70 mile range in the short time frame you are using.

Pricing?  GM says it will "start" at 30k.   I wonder what you will get for that?  

Sometime in the next 50 years?

Right, rqa's nitpicking is 50 years away, especially with the govt incentives pushing the sales numbers and competition.
Also compare to what they were even 5 years ago...
Sheesh rqa, you have no faith in the market, do you?

Have to admit, I’ll miss the smell of gas

DWags wrote:Have to admit, I’ll miss the smell of gas

Damn straight. Can't huff electricity.

AvgMSUJoe wrote:Right, rqa's nitpicking is 50 years away, especially with the govt incentives pushing the sales numbers and competition.
Also compare to what they were even 5 years ago...
Sheesh rqa, you have no faith in the market, do you?

Sometimes Herr RQA will not take "yes" for an answer.

Ford is growing the Rouge Electric Vehicle Center by 50 percent while workers inside continue building Lightnings around the clock. It's a delicate dance between production and construction, with autonomous robots maneuvering truck frames past stacks of steel beams and other building materials blocked off by orange caution tape.

The urgency to boost output for a product executives say will define the company's future as much as the Model T did in its infancy highlights the massive stakes in the still-nascent electric pickup market. While Ford rushes to boost volume, its crosstown rivals are plotting to cut in with newer entries as Detroit's decades-old truck war evolves for the EV age.

General Motors plans to begin shipping the Chevrolet Silverado EV in a few months, starting with a work truck in the spring and a loaded-up consumer version later in the year that will top $100,000. It will follow that with the GMC Sierra EV pickup in 2024, around the time Stellantis plans to launch the Ram 1500 EV, which will be revealed in concept form this week at CES in Las Vegas.

"We expect it to be relentless," Darren Palmer, general manager of Ford's battery-electric vehicles, said of the competition. "We welcome that. It's great for the industry because we're going to push each other to go further."

https://www.autonews.com/retail/ford-gm-ram-gear-ev-pickup-competition

When I started posting about EV's, years ago, I never, ever, expected to see this headline.

RQA wrote:

Pervis Muldoon wrote:



Sometimes you make this too easy.

I have always felt that sticking a suction tube through the foramen ovale of a fully developed in utero baby and sucking its brains out is immoral.

Buying a Tesla?   Seems to depend on the leftist politics of the month.

Even if the fetus is dead?

https://www.autonews.com/ces/mercedes-will-build-its-own-ev-charging-network?utm_source=dont-miss&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20230105&utm_content=hero-headline

Trapper Gus wrote:https://www.autonews.com/ces/mercedes-will-build-its-own-ev-charging-network?utm_source=dont-miss&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20230105&utm_content=hero-headline

So dumb. Can you imagine Ford 100 years ago building Ford-specific gas stations?

TravelinMan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:https://www.autonews.com/ces/mercedes-will-build-its-own-ev-charging-network?utm_source=dont-miss&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20230105&utm_content=hero-headline

So dumb.  Can you imagine Ford 100 years ago building Ford-specific gas stations?

How do you think roads which were suitable for automobiles were built?

Trapper Gus wrote:

TravelinMan wrote:

So dumb.  Can you imagine Ford 100 years ago building Ford-specific gas stations?

How do you think roads which were suitable for automobiles were built?

Were those brand specific roads? They were not.

That's a terrible, asinine comparison, Trapper. You're capable of so much better.

AvgMSUJoe wrote:Right, rqa's nitpicking is 50 years away, especially with the govt incentives pushing the sales numbers and competition.
Also compare to what they were even 5 years ago...
Sheesh rqa, you have no faith in the market, do you?

Sometimes this IS just too easy.

Look again at what you posted and think about it.

Your start off talking about "govt incentives pushing the sales numbers" and then accuse me of having "no faith in the market"

TravelinMan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

How do you think roads which were suitable for automobiles were built?

Were those brand specific roads?  They were not.

That's a terrible, asinine comparison, Trapper.  You're capable of so much better.

This thread is asinine. The anti-EV argument seems to be that EVs are "not ready" or "not ready for prime time", despite the fact that they're on the road right now and have been for years. Objectively, they're more suitable for some uses and IC engine vehicles are more suitable for other uses. Some people feel the need to oppose EVs because of party affiliation or because a radio talk show host told them to. It's pretty dumb.

TravelinMan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

How do you think roads which were suitable for automobiles were built?

Were those brand specific roads?  They were not.

That's a terrible, asinine comparison, Trapper.  You're capable of so much better.

You have never heard of the Lincoln Highway?

Seriously, you didn't read the article, since the Mercades charging network is open to all. This is more like having a gasoline company branded as "Shell"

Pervis Muldoon wrote:

TravelinMan wrote:

Were those brand specific roads?  They were not.

That's a terrible, asinine comparison, Trapper.  You're capable of so much better.

This thread is asinine. The anti-EV argument seems to be that EVs are "not ready" or "not ready for prime time", despite the fact that they're on the road right now and have been for years. Objectively, they're more suitable for some uses and IC engine vehicles are more suitable for other uses. Some people feel the need to oppose EVs because of party affiliation or because a radio talk show host told them to. It's pretty dumb.

Parts of it I suppose including the digressions into other topics.

I'm just posting what is ongoing in EV development, including the charging network. Some responses seem political, however, there are real challenges, which critics have pointed out, yet to make what is a hugely disruptive change to a major part of the economy.

Pervis Muldoon wrote:

TravelinMan wrote:

Were those brand specific roads?  They were not.

That's a terrible, asinine comparison, Trapper.  You're capable of so much better.

This thread is asinine. The anti-EV argument seems to be that EVs are "not ready" or "not ready for prime time", despite the fact that they're on the road right now and have been for years. Objectively, they're more suitable for some uses and IC engine vehicles are more suitable for other uses. Some people feel the need to oppose EVs because of party affiliation or because a radio talk show host told them to. It's pretty dumb.

Do you drive an EV as your primary vehicle?

TravelinMan wrote:

Pervis Muldoon wrote:

This thread is asinine. The anti-EV argument seems to be that EVs are "not ready" or "not ready for prime time", despite the fact that they're on the road right now and have been for years. Objectively, they're more suitable for some uses and IC engine vehicles are more suitable for other uses. Some people feel the need to oppose EVs because of party affiliation or because a radio talk show host told them to. It's pretty dumb.

Do you drive an EV as your primary vehicle?

I had two out of two until the stupid deer jumped in front of one.

edit - FWIW I am trying to like driving the ICE Bronco Sport, but it is hard to do.  Hard to get used to shift points again. Keep thinking it is storing energy when I brake, but of course it isn't.  I am fascinated by the power put out by the 1.5-liter 3-cylinder, (reminds me so much of the Kawaski 1971 750 cc) but it does have a blower and I suspect it probably will not last the 300k plus miles that EV's do.

Everything is easy when you simply repeat talking points from FoxNews, Breitbart and spokesmen paid for by coal and other energy companies.

Technology is moving faster than it was in the last 100 years, even 20 years.  EV’s might be a bridge technology that will last for 50-75 years until hydrogen infrastructure costs drop.  

LED’s have been around for 60 years and were first used for computers, calculators and illuminated buttons used on control boards in industrial settings.  With production costs dropping and technological improvements they have supplanted Edison’s light bulb and fluorescent tubes  for our offices, homes and  HID lighting for arenas, stadiums and street lighting.

Fuel for ships,  jet fuel  and diesel for commercial trucking will be around long than gasoline for passenger vehicles.

Outfits like Koch Industriea will lobby and have their paid and unpaid sycophants tell us we will never see the end of the gasoline engines until they are sufficiently invested in the new technologies after they’ve proven to be profitable.

GRR Spartan wrote:Everything is easy when you simply repeat talking points from FoxNews, Breitbart and spokesmen paid for by coal and other energy companies.

Technology is moving faster than it was in the last 100 years, even 20 years.  EV’s might be a bridge technology that will last for 50-75 years until hydrogen infrastructure costs drop.  

LED’s have been around for 60 years and were first used for computers, calculators and illuminated buttons used on control boards in industrial settings.  With production costs dropping and technological improvements they have supplanted Edison’s light bulb and fluorescent tubes  for our offices, homes and  HID lighting for arenas, stadiums and street lighting.

Fuel for ships,  jet fuel  and diesel for commercial trucking will be around long than gasoline for passenger vehicles.

Outfits like Koch Industriea will lobby and have their paid and unpaid sycophants tell us we will never see the end of the gasoline engines until they are sufficiently invested in the new technologies after they’ve proven to be profitable.

Here is a quick list of issues

Battery powered EV's -
Charging infrastructures -
for daily short trip use residential charging works
for longer recharge as traveling a build out of a technology still being developed for fast recharge times is ongoing
enablers - faster charging batteries, more efficient lower weight electric motors, lower weight batteries

Hydrogen powered EV's -
lower costs for fuel cells (less expensive materials used)
improved methods of H storage onboard vehicles
fueling infrastructure

Commerical Trucking Battery EV's
- daily delivery routes - current EV technology near ready
- long haul routes - charging time & lack if charging infrastructure issues, solvable but longer term

Commerical Truncking Hydrogen EV's (long haul alternative)
- improved methods of H storage on-board, cheaper fuel cells.

Rail Locomotion Hydrogen or Battery or other EV's
- advantage, current locomoting technology is already Electric motor driven
- possibility of wired electric such as current electric motivated locomotion - issue, power transmission may be limited
- able to have more weight for power storage
- more complexity, aka hydrogen fuel cells, not as difficult, due to commercial maintenance schedules can be closely controlled
- possible solar power on top of all rail cars?

Ships
- possible multi systems (wind, electric)
- Fuel storage probably not an issue for hydrogen, or weight for batteries
- possible solar or wind generator on route charging

Air Travel
- weight - weight - weight
- short haul battery electric being sold now
- long haul?

TravelinMan wrote:

Pervis Muldoon wrote:

This thread is asinine. The anti-EV argument seems to be that EVs are "not ready" or "not ready for prime time", despite the fact that they're on the road right now and have been for years. Objectively, they're more suitable for some uses and IC engine vehicles are more suitable for other uses. Some people feel the need to oppose EVs because of party affiliation or because a radio talk show host told them to. It's pretty dumb.

Do you drive an EV as your primary vehicle?

No.

Pages and pages of liberals gushing over EVs. They are ready for prime time! Range anxiety? No worries they say, they will charge up in 15 minutes (some day).

But what to liberals really think?

Bob? buys a nonunion made iCE car
Trapper? ICE Bronco
Surely Pervis won't fail us? Alas when asked he drives an EV, the answer is "no"

RQA wrote:Pages and pages of liberals gushing over EVs.   They are ready for prime time!   Range anxiety?  No worries they say, they will charge up in 15 minutes (some day).  

But what to liberals really think?

Bob?  buys a nonunion made iCE car
Trapper?  ICE Bronco
Surely Pervis won't fail us?   Alas when asked he drives an EV, the answer is "no"

Been driving EV's for over 15 years now. Sad little Herr RQA keeps forgetting that.

RQA wrote:Pages and pages of liberals gushing over EVs. They are ready for prime time! Range anxiety? No worries they say, they will charge up in 15 minutes (some day).

But what to liberals really think?

Bob? buys a nonunion made iCE car
Trapper? ICE Bronco
Surely Pervis won't fail us? Alas when asked he drives an EV, the answer is "no"

If I paused while filling up an F-350 to beat a Prius driver with the gasoline nozzle, it still wouldn't change the data.

And now back to posting tecchnocal information

https://jalopnik.com/heat-pumps-massively-improve-ev-range-in-cold-weather-1849965411

I hadn't thought about this, however, using a space heater powered by the battery, to heat the interior was super dumb. With the air-conditioner already onboard the heat pump is already there, just needs to "reverse the air flow"

More failure from Tesla, with video. Even a little kid was injured.

https://theintercept.com/2023/01/10/tesla-crash-footage-autopilot/

A brief summary of some "far out" features from this years' CES.

https://apnews.com/article/business-consumer-electronics-show-artificial-intelligence-las-vegas-32d2e6174b8402e7acf68123ad7e5771

Trapper Gus wrote:

RQA wrote:Pages and pages of liberals gushing over EVs.   They are ready for prime time!   Range anxiety?  No worries they say, they will charge up in 15 minutes (some day).  

But what to liberals really think?

Bob?  buys a nonunion made iCE car
Trapper?  ICE Bronco
Surely Pervis won't fail us?   Alas when asked he drives an EV, the answer is "no"

Been driving EV's for over 15 years now. Sad little Herr RQA keeps forgetting that.

You’ve been driving hybrids for 15 years now.

Big difference.

TravelinMan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

Been driving EV's for over 15 years now. Sad little Herr RQA keeps forgetting that.

You’ve been driving hybrids for 15 years now.

Big difference.

Over the 15 years the anti-electric folk have kept moving the goal posts, sure.

Both of my Escapes would run in electric only mode and the surviving one uses it more than the deer killed one.

Now if Herr RQA would use "BEV's" instead of "EV's" he would be cutting off my claim, but he never has.

Trapper Gus wrote:

TravelinMan wrote:

You’ve been driving hybrids for 15 years now.

Big difference.

Over the 15 years the anti-electric folk have kept moving the goal posts, sure.

Both of my Escapes would run in electric only mode and the surviving one uses it more than the deer killed one.

Now if Herr RQA would use "BEV's" instead of "EV's" he would be cutting off my claim, but he never has.

Range anxiety, inoperable charging stations, recharging time…. all of those concerns go out the window if you’ve got an ICE backup. Apples and crescent wrenches, my friend.

TravelinMan wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

Over the 15 years the anti-electric folk have kept moving the goal posts, sure.

Both of my Escapes would run in electric only mode and the surviving one uses it more than the deer killed one.

Now if Herr RQA would use "BEV's" instead of "EV's" he would be cutting off my claim, but he never has.

Range anxiety, inoperable charging stations, recharging time…. all of those concerns go out the window if you’ve got an ICE backup.    Apples and crescent wrenches, my friend.

Well...

Range anxiety? - tell that to me when I have 3 miles left according to the trip computer and the nearest gas station is 10 miles away.

inoperable charging stations? - tell that to me when I pull into the gas station only to find that it is closed or out of gas

recharging time - tell that to me when it takes 20 minutes to fill up the gas tank because the pump runs slow.

All true events which have happened, and all due the same issues that electric vehicles have.  If you violate the use case, you get to walk.

Your talking points are all true for any vehicle which runs with a motor.  A bicycle doesn't have those problems, however.

Shits happening youngsters. In your life ICE’s will not be made.

Tesla, Edison and electricity into cities. Rockefeller gave everyone reasons why it wouldn’t happen beyond his selfish reason of all the oil contracts. Some huge apartments refused to pull wire. Kept the kerosene burning.

How do the cities look today?

Shits gonna happen. Not in my life, I’m 61, but you pink dicks will see it. You cant stop it. Bring up every reason you want from pollution with battery dumps to anxiety over charging. Its coming. Facts