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DWags wrote:

Heat Miser wrote:

The Democratic party is getting punished. Everybody else is collateral damage.

I feel guilty because I don’t think my physical life will change.  There is a strong case to be made that my psychological life will be damaged.  I have felt depressed for a week.  And I feel even more guilty I say that. Compared to some in and out of our country I need to just STFU about my state of being.

PennSpartan wrote:

Heat Miser wrote:

Of course you don't. Feel free to exclude yourself from the "everybody else" group I was referring to.

I guess I don’t feel your pain.  Sorry.  600k Americans die every year of cancer (including my wife), and I don’t see this kind of protest.  I see people running marathons and having fundraisers and all sorts of things for cancer research, but I don’t see the hate that progressives and Muslims show regarding Palestine.

DWags wrote:

kingstonlake wrote:Here’s what people don’t understand.

Muslims don’t see a difference between Trump or Harris. All the last year did was prove there really isn’t. And  save me the “it’ll get worse” BS. It’s already bad and throwing an extra grain of salt on the wound don’t mean shit to them. You think local Muslims fear a Trump presidency? Pffft. They and their families have seen real suffering. Real pain. Real atrocities. Trump as president ain’t shit to them. They’ve seen and probably lived worse. You know who it does hurt? You and me. Us suburban keyboard warriors. Those of us who offer “thoughts and prayers” basically. Muslims must laugh at our faux outrage over Palestine while we sit on the couch eating popcorn with a crown and coke, soaking on the book table, watching Big noon Saturday kick off. They’re probably thinking “oh you poor bleeding heart pussies supposedly worried about you own daughters right to healthcare decisions over her body, lol. “Fuck off. Our sons, daughters, wives and husbands are being exterminated and all you offer is some fake “Rafa is the red line” from a guy who can’t change his own underwear”. Time to teach YOU a lesson.

Are we talking about the actual people in the Middle East or the Muslims in America that voted for the Green Party?   Because please keep them separated.  Since sports metaphors are used, not voting for Harris  to me is like a football coach turning down a ten yard penalty with one second left and having his kicker kick a 67 yard field goal instead of a 57 yard field go.   Both almost impossible, but take the penalty.  And yes both most likely fail.  

Who, exactly, is getting punished by the vote for the Green Party?  Middle to upper middle class democrats?   I’m trying to figure out how that will happen, but I’m not sure I can come up with anything.  Except psychology I agree with that.  This country is going to be very dark the next 4 years.  Hopefully there is some kind of coalition formed to fight these fuckers.  Take a trip down Twitter and open up any thread regarding the Middle East.  See these knuckle draggers celebrating what they see coming.  

Funny, but our only hope now is that Trump can somehow negotiate a stop to this.   Fuck.  

Heat Miser wrote:

DWags wrote:



Are we talking about the actual people in the Middle East or the Muslims in America that voted for the Green Party?   Because please keep them separated.  Since sports metaphors are used, not voting for Harris  to me is like a football coach turning down a ten yard penalty with one second left and having his kicker kick a 67 yard field goal instead of a 57 yard field go.   Both almost impossible, but take the penalty.  And yes both most likely fail.  

Who, exactly, is getting punished by the vote for the Green Party?  Middle to upper middle class democrats?   I’m trying to figure out how that will happen, but I’m not sure I can come up with anything.  Except psychology I agree with that.  This country is going to be very dark the next 4 years.  Hopefully there is some kind of coalition formed to fight these fuckers.  Take a trip down Twitter and open up any thread regarding the Middle East.  See these knuckle draggers celebrating what they see coming.  

Funny, but our only hope now is that Trump can somehow negotiate a stop to this.   Fuck.  

The Democratic party is getting punished. Everybody else is collateral damage.

DWags wrote:

PennSpartan wrote:
I guess I don’t feel your pain.  Sorry.  600k Americans die every year of cancer (including my wife), and I don’t see this kind of protest.  I see people running marathons and having fundraisers and all sorts of things for cancer research, but I don’t see the hate that progressives and Muslims show regarding Palestine.

Once again, I’m sorry about your wife. But have you gone through life actually not seeing people wearing pink? professional athletes, wearing pink? College athletes wearing pink? You’ve actually got through life, not donating to a cancer fund relief? Not doing something in honor of Fighting against cancer? You never heard the phrase, fuck cancer?


Also, it’s very different, there are specific people we can show our anger to regarding the Middle East. Who do we point out and show our anger to regarding cancer?


And I’m very sorry that your wife died from that, But in my mind, what you are doing right now is the equivalent of somebody else finding out that your wife or a loved one died of cancer and saying, “
So it doesn’t affect me.”
I don’t see how you can’t see that

PennSpartan wrote:

DWags wrote:

PennSpartan wrote:
I guess I don’t feel your pain.  Sorry.  600k Americans die every year of cancer (including my wife), and I don’t see this kind of protest.  I see people running marathons and having fundraisers and all sorts of things for cancer research, but I don’t see the hate that progressives and Muslims show regarding Palestine.

Once again, I’m sorry about your wife.  But have you gone through life actually not seeing people wearing pink? professional athletes, wearing pink?  College athletes wearing pink? You’ve actually got through life, not donating to a cancer fund relief? Not doing something in honor of Fighting against cancer?  You never heard the phrase, fuck cancer?  


Also, it’s very different, there are specific people we can show our anger to regarding the Middle East. Who do we point out and show our anger to regarding cancer?


And I’m very sorry that your wife died from that, But in my mind, what you are doing right now is the equivalent of somebody else finding out that your wife or a loved one died of cancer and saying, “
So it doesn’t affect me.”
 I don’t see how you can’t see that

DWags, the difference is people who support cancer victims and survivors are positive.  They support you.  The only thing I see out of this Palestine situation is hate.  Blame Harris.  Blame Democrats.  How about blaming the SHITHEADS that attacked innocent people on October 7? What was the endgame?  Did they actually think they would win?  JFC.

Anakin began to suffer from nightmares and visions that his mother was in pain, dying; despite Obi-Wan’s orders to stay on Naboo with Padmé, he left for Tatooine to rescue Shmi, Padmé in tow. Upon arrival, he found that Shmi had been kidnapped by Sand People. Anakin eventually located their camp and found his mother, where she died in his arms; enraged, the Jedi unleashed an inner fury never before seen, and slaughtered every Tusken he found.

Heat Miser wrote:

PennSpartan wrote:
DWags, the difference is people who support cancer victims and survivors are positive.  They support you.  The only thing I see out of this Palestine situation is hate.  Blame Harris.  Blame Democrats.  How about blaming the SHITHEADS that attacked innocent people on October 7? What was the endgame?  Did they actually think they would win?  JFC.

AKA the Anikan Skywalker school of thought:

Anakin began to suffer from nightmares and visions that his mother was in pain, dying; despite Obi-Wan’s orders to stay on Naboo with Padmé, he left for Tatooine to rescue Shmi, Padmé in tow. Upon arrival, he found that Shmi had been kidnapped by Sand People. Anakin eventually located their camp and found his mother, where she died in his arms; enraged, the Jedi unleashed an inner fury never before seen, and slaughtered every Tusken he found.

And BTW...how do you equate people advocating against genocide to hate?

PennSpartan wrote:

Heat Miser wrote:

PennSpartan wrote:
DWags, the difference is people who support cancer victims and survivors are positive.  They support you.  The only thing I see out of this Palestine situation is hate.  Blame Harris.  Blame Democrats.  How about blaming the SHITHEADS that attacked innocent people on October 7? What was the endgame?  Did they actually think they would win?  JFC.

AKA the Anikan Skywalker school of thought:

Anakin began to suffer from nightmares and visions that his mother was in pain, dying; despite Obi-Wan’s orders to stay on Naboo with Padmé, he left for Tatooine to rescue Shmi, Padmé in tow. Upon arrival, he found that Shmi had been kidnapped by Sand People. Anakin eventually located their camp and found his mother, where she died in his arms; enraged, the Jedi unleashed an inner fury never before seen, and slaughtered every Tusken he found.

And BTW...how do you equate people advocating against genocide to hate?

First explain October 7.

Heat Miser wrote:

PennSpartan wrote:
First explain October 7.

There is no explanation or justification for it. Just as there's no justification for genocide.

PennSpartan wrote:

Heat Miser wrote:

PennSpartan wrote:
First explain October 7.

There is no explanation or justification for it. Just as there's no justification for genocide.

Then I suppose they have to deal with the consequences.

Heat Miser wrote:

PennSpartan wrote:
Then I suppose they have to deal with the consequences.

Hamas, yes. All Palestinians in Gaza & The West Bank, no.

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PennSpartan wrote:

Heat Miser wrote:

Of course you don't. Feel free to exclude yourself from the "everybody else" group I was referring to.

I guess I don’t feel your pain.  Sorry.  600k Americans die every year of cancer (including my wife), and I don’t see this kind of protest.  I see people running marathons and having fundraisers and all sorts of things for cancer research, but I don’t see the hate that progressives and Muslims show regarding Palestine.

Heat Miser wrote:

DWags wrote:


I feel guilty because I don’t think my physical life will change. There is a strong case to be made that my psychological life will be damaged. I have felt depressed for a week. And I feel even more guilty I say that. Compared to some in and out of our country I need to just STFU about my state of being.

We're older, white, male, and relatively well off. We'll get thru this far easier than a lot of people, here & abroad. You don't need to feel guilty about that, but I'm very confident you at least have empathy for those less fortunate. And as an older, white, relatively well off male, your voice carries outsized weight in the world. Use it.

Cameron wrote:

DWags wrote:



Are we talking about the actual people in the Middle East or the Muslims in America that voted for the Green Party?   Because please keep them separated.  Since sports metaphors are used, not voting for Harris  to me is like a football coach turning down a ten yard penalty with one second left and having his kicker kick a 67 yard field goal instead of a 57 yard field go.   Both almost impossible, but take the penalty.  And yes both most likely fail.  

Who, exactly, is getting punished by the vote for the Green Party?  Middle to upper middle class democrats?   I’m trying to figure out how that will happen, but I’m not sure I can come up with anything.  Except psychology I agree with that.  This country is going to be very dark the next 4 years.  Hopefully there is some kind of coalition formed to fight these fuckers.  Take a trip down Twitter and open up any thread regarding the Middle East.  See these knuckle draggers celebrating what they see coming.  

Funny, but our only hope now is that Trump can somehow negotiate a stop to this.   Fuck.  

Heat Miser wrote:

The Democratic party is getting punished. Everybody else is collateral damage.

The Muslim American community understands that their only leverage is their vote. If they had simply given in, nothing would have changed and their leverage would be gone for nothing. The Democrats very stupidly ignored or looked down on the uncommitted movement (yourself VERY MUCH included), but when the Democrats tried to call their bluff, they found out it wasn't a bluff. Better learn something from that (and not just "woke = bad"). Maybe not being owned by AIPAC and operated like Bibi's ventriloquist dummy would be a start. If not, kiss the Muslim American vote good bye forever.

Leverage.

Cameron wrote:US says Israel hasn't breached its law against blocking aid in Gaza

Hmm, I wonder why Muslim and Arab Americans think it makes no difference whether they vote for Democrats or Republicans. It's almost like that whole 30 day deadline thing that deliberately extended past the election was just a cynical attempt to trick voters into thinking a change in policy might be coming in order to induce them to vote for Democrats, when in fact the plan was never to change anything at all.

Genocide and the return of Trump are Joe Biden's entire legacy. One of the worst presidents of my lifetime.

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Heat Miser wrote: shocking.

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DWags wrote:
I frankly would like to see Biden do something to shake up the Trump Huckabee Netanyahu triangle of evil

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PennSpartan wrote:

Cameron wrote:US says Israel hasn't breached its law against blocking aid in Gaza

Hmm, I wonder why Muslim and Arab Americans think it makes no difference whether they vote for Democrats or Republicans. It's almost like that whole 30 day deadline thing that deliberately extended past the election was just a cynical attempt to trick voters into thinking a change in policy might be coming in order to induce them to vote for Democrats, when in fact the plan was never to change anything at all.

Genocide and the return of Trump are Joe Biden's entire legacy. One of the worst presidents of my lifetime.

I called Rashida Tlaib’s office and left a message. I congratulated her on the win over the evil Biden/Harris administration. Happy days again after January 20. I hope she calls back.

sεяεηιτλ wrote:

Heat Miser wrote: shocking.

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Jesus fucking christ, blatant election interference.  Our political parties are going to begin allying with god damn foreign countries.  I have no freaking clue how to counter this except Democrats will HAVE to play this game too because there's no countering it if they are willing to start and end wars on behalf of our political parties to gin up controversy for someone else and provide wins for their favored candidate.  Next up, China threatening to invade Taiwan on Trump's watch.... until a democrat gets in office and gets it squashed.

Trapper Gus wrote:

sεяεηιτλ wrote:

Jesus fucking christ, blatant election interference.  Our political parties are going to begin allying with god damn foreign countries.  I have no freaking clue how to counter this except Democrats will HAVE to play this game too because there's no countering it if they are willing to start and end wars on behalf of our political parties to gin up controversy for someone else and provide wins for their favored candidate.  Next up, China threatening to invade Taiwan on Trump's watch.... until a democrat gets in office and gets it squashed.

Russia interfered in 2024, 2020 & 2016 and voters yawned.

Reagan had Iran hold the hostages in 1980 until after Carter left office and voters yawned.

Bush invaded Iraq for no reason in 2004 and voters yawned

Nixon had Veitnam back out of a peace deal in 1968 and voters yawned.

The Republicans decided decades ago that treason was okay in the pursuit of power and the voters don't care.

sεяεηιτλ wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

Russia interfered in 2024, 2020 & 2016 and voters yawned.

Reagan had Iran hold the hostages in 1980 until after Carter left office and voters yawned.

Bush invaded Iraq for no reason in 2004 and voters yawned

Nixon had Veitnam back out of a peace deal in 1968 and voters yawned.

The Republicans decided decades ago that treason was okay in the pursuit of power and the voters don't care.

So the question remains, how do you combat this kind of treason without engaging in it yourself?

Trapper Gus wrote:

sεяεηιτλ wrote:

So the question remains, how do you combat this kind of treason without engaging in it yourself?

Until.the voters become smart enough to see what is happening you can't.  With the new information age we are beyond what Nixon & Reagan did, as foreign leaders are chosing who they want as President and acting accordingly.

Trapper Gus wrote:

sεяεηιτλ wrote:

So the question remains, how do you combat this kind of treason without engaging in it yourself?

Until.the voters become smart enough to see what is happening you can't.  With the new information age we are beyond what Nixon & Reagan did, as foreign leaders are chosing who they want as President and acting accordingly.

Trapper Gus wrote:

sεяεηιτλ wrote:

So the question remains, how do you combat this kind of treason without engaging in it yourself?

Until.the voters become smart enough to see what is happening you can't.  With the new information age we are beyond what Nixon & Reagan did, as foreign leaders are chosing who they want as President and acting accordingly.