Re: Israel war

by **Heat Miser** Fri 18 Oct 2024 - 14:45

sεяεηιτλ wrote:
Heat Miser wrote:
sεяεηιτλ wrote:

Except it's not the same behavior, so there's that

Oh really? Genocide is genocide regardless of methodology or justification.

I edited but you were quick with the draw.

Tldr - not genocide by most people's definitions

"most" people.

Gaza genocide

Human rights lawyer Susan Akram, commenting on a May 2024 report by the University Network for Human Rights and on the resistance to labelling Israel's actions as genocide, said, "The opposition is political, as there is consensus amongst the international human rights legal community, many other legal and political experts, including many Holocaust scholars, that Israel is committing genocide in Gaza".[177]

As part of the case Defense for Children International-Palestine et al v. Biden et al, Holocaust historian Barry Trachtenberg testified that there is a consensus among genocide historians that the situation in Gaza is a genocide, mainly because Israeli officials' statements make this clear. He said: "We are watching the genocide unfold as we speak. We are in this incredibly unique position where we can intervene to stop it, using the mechanisms of international law that are available to us."[178]

In an open letter published on 15 October on Opinio Juris and the website of the Third World Approaches to International Law Review, scholars wrote that Israeli officials' statements since 7 October indicate intent to commit genocide.[179] The NGO Law for Palestine compiled more than 500 statements by Israeli political and military officials that reportedly call for genocide.[h][180] On 11 June 2024, the official Israeli X (formerly Twitter) account tweeted that "Gazan civilians participated in the horrific events of October 7", later citing a statement in a clip stating that "there are no innocent civilians there."[181]

On 9 October 2023, Israeli Minister of Defense Yoav Gallant said,[197][196]

We are imposing a complete siege on Gaza. There will be no electricity, no food, no water, no fuel, everything will be closed. We are fighting against human animals and will act accordingly.

by sεяεηιτλ Fri 18 Oct 2024 - 14:49

Heat Miser wrote:
sεяεηιτλ wrote:

I edited but you were quick with the draw.

Tldr - not genocide by most people's definitions

"most" people.

Gaza genocide

Human rights lawyer Susan Akram, commenting on a May 2024 report by the University Network for Human Rights and on the resistance to labelling Israel's actions as genocide, said, "The opposition is political, as there is consensus amongst the international human rights legal community, many other legal and political experts, including many Holocaust scholars, that Israel is committing genocide in Gaza".[177]

As part of the case Defense for Children International-Palestine et al v. Biden et al, Holocaust historian Barry Trachtenberg testified that there is a consensus among genocide historians that the situation in Gaza is a genocide, mainly because Israeli officials' statements make this clear. He said: "We are watching the genocide unfold as we speak. We are in this incredibly unique position where we can intervene to stop it, using the mechanisms of international law that are available to us."[178]

In an open letter published on 15 October on Opinio Juris and the website of the Third World Approaches to International Law Review, scholars wrote that Israeli officials' statements since 7 October indicate intent to commit genocide.[179] The NGO Law for Palestine compiled more than 500 statements by Israeli political and military officials that reportedly call for genocide.[h][180] On 11 June 2024, the official Israeli X (formerly Twitter) account tweeted that "Gazan civilians participated in the horrific events of October 7", later citing a statement in a clip stating that "there are no innocent civilians there."[181]

On 9 October 2023, Israeli Minister of Defense Yoav Gallant said,[197][196]

We are imposing a complete siege on Gaza. There will be no electricity, no food, no water, no fuel, everything will be closed. We are fighting against human animals and will act accordingly.

Cool man, you found some academic types that agree with you on a definition. Still doesn't make it like what the Nazis did to the jews, which is basically the defacto standard.

by **Heat Miser** Fri 18 Oct 2024 - 14:54

sεяεηιτλ wrote:
Heat Miser wrote:
sεяεηιτλ wrote:

I edited but you were quick with the draw.

Tldr - not genocide by most people's definitions

"most" people.

Gaza genocide

Human rights lawyer Susan Akram, commenting on a May 2024 report by the University Network for Human Rights and on the resistance to labelling Israel's actions as genocide, said, "The opposition is political, as there is consensus amongst the international human rights legal community, many other legal and political experts, including many Holocaust scholars, that Israel is committing genocide in Gaza".[177]

As part of the case Defense for Children International-Palestine et al v. Biden et al, Holocaust historian Barry Trachtenberg testified that there is a consensus among genocide historians that the situation in Gaza is a genocide, mainly because Israeli officials' statements make this clear. He said: "We are watching the genocide unfold as we speak. We are in this incredibly unique position where we can intervene to stop it, using the mechanisms of international law that are available to us."[178]

In an open letter published on 15 October on Opinio Juris and the website of the Third World Approaches to International Law Review, scholars wrote that Israeli officials' statements since 7 October indicate intent to commit genocide.[179] The NGO Law for Palestine compiled more than 500 statements by Israeli political and military officials that reportedly call for genocide.[h][180] On 11 June 2024, the official Israeli X (formerly Twitter) account tweeted that "Gazan civilians participated in the horrific events of October 7", later citing a statement in a clip stating that "there are no innocent civilians there."[181]

On 9 October 2023, Israeli Minister of Defense Yoav Gallant said,[197][196]

We are imposing a complete siege on Gaza. There will be no electricity, no food, no water, no fuel, everything will be closed. We are fighting against human animals and will act accordingly.

Cool man, you found some academic types that agree with you on a definition. Still doesn't make it like what the Nazis did to the jews, which is basically the defacto standard.

Ah, now I see. Until there are 6 million dead Palestinians, it doesn't count. Got it. How convenient for you.

by **Trapper Gus** Fri 18 Oct 2024 - 19:04

Heat Miser wrote:
sεяεηιτλ wrote:

Cool man, you found some academic types that agree with you on a definition. Still doesn't make it like what the Nazis did to the jews, which is basically the defacto standard.

Ah, now I see. Until there are 6 million dead Palestinians, it doesn't count. Got it. How convenient for you.

This went south quickly, into the discussion you wanted to have, and far away from looking at what is going on in the middle east from a dispasinate holistic point of view.

How would you have had Israel respond to the unexpected murder of a percentage of their population?

And...

How would you create peace in the middle east.

BTW just saying not how it has been done is not an answer.

by **Heat Miser** Fri 18 Oct 2024 - 19:51

Trapper Gus wrote:
Heat Miser wrote:
sεяεηιτλ wrote:

Cool man, you found some academic types that agree with you on a definition. Still doesn't make it like what the Nazis did to the jews, which is basically the defacto standard.

Ah, now I see. Until there are 6 million dead Palestinians, it doesn't count. Got it. How convenient for you.

This went south quickly, into the discussion you wanted to have, and far away from looking at what is going on in the middle east from a dispasinate holistic point of view.

How would you have had Israel respond to the unexpected murder of a percentage of their population?

And...

How would you create peace in the middle east.

BTW just saying not how it has been done is not an answer.

If you choose to view genocide "dispassionately" and "holistically", then I can't help you.

Israel could & should have responded proportionately. Not with genocide.

Israel ending their 75 year illegal occupation of Palestine, and the apartheid state they have created there, would be a great step toward peace in the middle east.

by sεяεηιτλ Fri 18 Oct 2024 - 20:24

Heat Miser wrote:
sεяεηιτλ wrote:

Cool man, you found some academic types that agree with you on a definition. Still doesn't make it like what the Nazis did to the jews, which is basically the defacto standard.

Ah, now I see. Until there are 6 million dead Palestinians, it doesn't count. Got it. How convenient for you.

nope, not what i said. But don't let that get in the way of your gaslighting

come on man, do better. you're not talking to someone that is for israel or palestine in any way. I'm against propaganda and i'm against what it does to our country to cause this disunity that we are experiencing. Take a step back and honestly compare the two situations and you'll find that they aren't even close. By your standard, any intervention by any country in the middle east has been genocide. And that's completely discounting the fact that they constantly terrorize israel, that israel is small and within reach of a lot of types of conventional weapons, and the fact that israel was attacked viciously first in this instance of violence. You also completely ignore the fact that this "genocide" narrative was started from day 1 of the israeli response and it's been hammered into people by propaghandist interests ever since in typical trumpian style.

according to you, our attack on houthis - genocide.

by **Heat Miser** Fri 18 Oct 2024 - 20:33

sεяεηιτλ wrote:
Heat Miser wrote:
sεяεηιτλ wrote:

Cool man, you found some academic types that agree with you on a definition. Still doesn't make it like what the Nazis did to the jews, which is basically the defacto standard.

Ah, now I see. Until there are 6 million dead Palestinians, it doesn't count. Got it. How convenient for you.

nope, not what i said. But don't let that get in the way of your gaslighting

come on man, do better. you're not talking to someone that is for israel or palestine in any way. I'm against propaganda and i'm against what it does to our country to cause this disunity that we are experiencing. Take a step back and honestly compare the two situations and you'll find that they aren't even close. By your standard, any intervention by any country in the middle east has been genocide. And that's completely discounting the fact that they constantly terrorize israel, that israel is small and within reach of a lot of types of conventional weapons, and the fact that israel was attacked viciously first in this instance of violence. You also completely ignore the fact that this "genocide" narrative was started from day 1 of the israeli response and it's been hammered into people by propaghandist interests ever since in typical trumpian style.

according to you, our attack on houthis - genocide.

Uh...if you look at the statements from the Israeli government starting on 10/8, they admitted multiple times over that they were going to do genocide. And they've been true to their word. The WW2 Jews do not have a monopoly on genocide.

And BTW...yes, Yemen has also been subjected to genocide.

by **Heat Miser** Fri 18 Oct 2024 - 20:43

In case you're thinking that anyone critical of Israel must be a raging antisemite, here's a little something from a 10/7 survivor posted on 10/14. I'm sure it's just propaganda though. Rolling Eyes

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by **Heat Miser** Fri 18 Oct 2024 - 20:59

Fun fact #1: Nelson Mandela remained on the US terror watch list until 2008.
Fun fact #2: The Israeli government supported the South African apartheid regime until it became an international pariah.

by sεяεηιτλ Fri 18 Oct 2024 - 23:07

i have to be honest, when i saw three responses, i thought surely you might have something good for me other than more amplified propaganda. I was wrong

by **Heat Miser** Fri 18 Oct 2024 - 23:16

sεяεηιτλ wrote:i have to be honest, when i saw three responses, i thought surely you might have something good for me other than more amplified propaganda. I was wrong

"propaganda". Anything that doesn't align with your world view is "propaganda". You're a fascist.

No idea where you get "3 responses" from. Israel war - Page 3 1966794946

by sεяεηιτλ Fri 18 Oct 2024 - 23:38

Heat Miser wrote:
sεяεηιτλ wrote:i have to be honest, when i saw three responses, i thought surely you might have something good for me other than more amplified propaganda. I was wrong

"propaganda". Anything that doesn't align with your world view is "propaganda". You're a fascist.

No idea where you get "3 responses" from.

Half the stuff you post has been essentially repeated over and over since the very start of the war in various forms when it was without a doubt not geocide at the time. The other half is war stuff... because they are at war. I seriously don't think a lot of people here understand normally just how bad war is in real life and exposure to it on the internet is a bit shocking.

Also, If you don't believe at least 70% of the crap coming out of that region is propaganda of one side or the other, then i've given you a lot more credit than you deserve. This world is filled with paid attention whores now. We're just now learning how the Trump campaign operates with influencers, they are essentially the amplifiers, rallying people to their cause. And there's legions of people trying to be those people for various causes. The statements crafted from the ones that get traction are essentially designed to trigger you in different ways. You have to be skeptical of almost everything you read now if you have any real interest of getting anywhere near the truth.

by **Cameron** Fri 18 Oct 2024 - 23:41

sεяεηιτλ wrote:
Heat Miser wrote:

Ah, now I see. Until there are 6 million dead Palestinians, it doesn't count. Got it. How convenient for you.

You're not talking to someone that is for israel or palestine in any way.

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by **Cameron** Fri 18 Oct 2024 - 23:45

sεяεηιτλ wrote:
Heat Miser wrote:

Ah, now I see. Until there are 6 million dead Palestinians, it doesn't count. Got it. How convenient for you.

nope, not what i said. But don't let that get in the way of your gaslighting

[...]

according to you, our attack on houthis - genocide.

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by **Heat Miser** Fri 18 Oct 2024 - 23:54

sεяεηιτλ wrote:
Heat Miser wrote:
sεяεηιτλ wrote:i have to be honest, when i saw three responses, i thought surely you might have something good for me other than more amplified propaganda. I was wrong

"propaganda". Anything that doesn't align with your world view is "propaganda". You're a fascist.

No idea where you get "3 responses" from.

Half the stuff you post has been essentially repeated over and over since the very start of the war in various forms when it was without a doubt not geocide at the time. The other half is war stuff... because they are at war. I seriously don't think a lot of people here understand normally just how bad war is in real life and exposure to it on the internet is a bit shocking.

Also, If you don't believe at least 70% of the crap coming out of that region is propaganda of one side or the other, then i've given you a lot more credit than you deserve. This world is filled with paid attention whores now. We're just now learning how the Trump campaign operates with influencers, they are essentially the amplifiers, rallying people to their cause. And there's legions of people trying to be those people for various causes. The statements crafted from the ones that get traction are essentially designed to trigger you in different ways. You have to be skeptical of almost everything you read now if you have any real interest of getting anywhere near the truth.

War bad. Genocide happens. Nazi Germany circa 1945.

by **Trapper Gus** Sat 19 Oct 2024 - 8:37

Heat Miser wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:

This went south quickly, into the discussion you wanted to have, and far away from looking at what is going on in the middle east from a dispasinate holistic point of view.

How would you have had Israel respond to the unexpected murder of a percentage of their population?

And...

How would you create peace in the middle east.

BTW just saying not how it has been done is not an answer.

If you choose to view genocide "dispassionately" and "holistically", then I can't help you.

Israel could & should have responded proportionately. Not with genocide.

Israel ending their 75 year illegal occupation of Palestine, and the apartheid state they have created there, would be a great step toward peace in the middle east.

So I'm thinking you mean the parts of Palistine which Israel occupied after they were attacked in 1967, not the parts of Pakistine which the Zionests were given in 1948, at which time they were attacked, too.

Neither side has ever accepted those borders.

by **Cameron** Sat 19 Oct 2024 - 10:51

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by **Heat Miser** Mon 21 Oct 2024 - 22:05

Land acquisition:

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by sεяεηιτλ Mon 21 Oct 2024 - 22:20

Heat Miser wrote:Land acquisition:

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seems like prime real-estate, going to go settle a place that will get attacked yearly forever more

by **GRR Spartan** Mon 21 Oct 2024 - 22:48

Re-settlement resulting from full scale invasion of the Gaza Strip has been the carrot Netanyahu has used to keep his coalition government together made up of the Likud, far right zionists and ultra orthodox parties.

The far right are seeing land grabs in Gaza and now are eying Southern Lebanon

by **Trapper Gus** Wed 23 Oct 2024 - 8:00

Gaza protestors - this is a grass roots protest...

US intelligence agencies -

The U.S. first accused the Iranian government of covertly supporting protests against American support for Israel during the war in Gaza. Individuals linked to Iran offered to cover the cost of travel to protests this year in Washington, the memo said.

https://apnews.com/article/election-trump-harris-violent-protests-jan-6-025832e5e391539d87d49ba76a7cddea

by **Cameron** Thu 24 Oct 2024 - 6:34

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by **Robert J Sakimano** Fri 25 Oct 2024 - 19:44

Reminder that Netanyahu is a genocidal war criminal.

by **kingstonlake** Fri 25 Oct 2024 - 19:57

Welp. It’s on. Israel missile attack on Tehran.

https://www.axios.com/2024/10/25/israel-attacks-iran-retaliation

by **Heat Miser** Fri 25 Oct 2024 - 20:06

kingstonlake wrote:Welp. It’s on. Israel missile attack on Tehran.

https://www.axios.com/2024/10/25/israel-attacks-iran-retaliation

October surprise for Orange Fuckface.

by **kingstonlake** Fri 25 Oct 2024 - 20:11

Heat Miser wrote:
kingstonlake wrote:Welp. It’s on. Israel missile attack on Tehran.

https://www.axios.com/2024/10/25/israel-attacks-iran-retaliation

October surprise for Orange Fuckface.

Never be the first through the door. Hopefully they’re holding the pee tape…..

by **GRR Spartan** Fri 25 Oct 2024 - 20:19

Israel targeting masques in Gaza and Southern Lebanon doesn't appear to be a move towards peace.

by **DWags** Fri 25 Oct 2024 - 20:54

GRR Spartan wrote:Israel targeting masques in Gaza and Southern Lebanon doesn't appear to be a move towards peace.

Israel and Netanyahu, Could possibly be the only two entities on earth, that make you feel sorry for Hamas and the fucking cowardly terrorists. You wouldn’t think that as possible, but here we are.

by **Heat Miser** Sat 26 Oct 2024 - 15:35

Turns out Israel can show restraint. Turns out the US does have influence. Kill all the defenseless Palestinians, Lebanese, Syrians, etc. you want to, but don't fuck with the oil.

by sεяεηιτλ Sat 26 Oct 2024 - 15:39

Heat Miser wrote:Turns out Israel can show restraint. Turns out the US does have influence. Kill all the defenseless Palestinians, Lebanese, Syrians, etc. you want to, but don't fuck with the oil.

Joe Biden crushed it again

by **Trapper Gus** Sat 26 Oct 2024 - 16:40

Heat Miser wrote:Turns out Israel can show restraint. Turns out the US does have influence. Kill all the defenseless Palestinians, Lebanese, Syrians, etc. you want to, but don't fuck with the oil.

Or the nukes....

Just keeps me wondering what the US's goal really is in this thing...

by **Cameron** Sun 27 Oct 2024 - 11:18

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by AvgMSUJoe Mon 28 Oct 2024 - 11:35

Oops, he let the cat out of the bag...
A vote against Harris is a vote for this.
Full stop.
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by sεяεηιτλ Mon 28 Oct 2024 - 12:15

AvgMSUJoe wrote:Oops, he let the cat out of the bag...
A vote against Harris is a vote for this.
Full stop.
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WTF is "ideological screening"??

by **Trapper Gus** Mon 28 Oct 2024 - 12:19

sεяεηιτλ wrote:
AvgMSUJoe wrote:Oops, he let the cat out of the bag...
A vote against Harris is a vote for this.
Full stop.
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WTF is "ideological screening"??

They have to be whilte, male, and wearing a MAGA hat.

by **Cameron** Mon 28 Oct 2024 - 19:44

Gaza aid fears as Israel bans UN Palestinian refugee agency

Pure evil.

by PennSpartan Mon 28 Oct 2024 - 20:55

WARNING: This post contains opinion. If you are easily offended DO NOT READ.

Over 40,000 automobile deaths in the United States last year. Not a single protest. Joe Biden’s fault?

by sεяεηιτλ Mon 28 Oct 2024 - 23:27

PennSpartan wrote:WARNING: This post contains opinion. If you are easily offended DO NOT READ.

Over 40,000 automobile deaths in the United States last year. Not a single protest. Joe Biden’s fault?

You hear about those deadly hurricanes joe sent to hit the south?

by **kingstonlake** Tue 29 Oct 2024 - 6:54

I guess this belongs here as well. Jaw dropping. Video clip in the guardian article.

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/oct/29/cnn-apologises-pager-comment-ryan-james-girdusky-mehdi-hasan

https://www.threads.net/@adamparkhomenko/post/DBsSzp8NHyj?xmt=AQGzfedne3Mg081HVH8u5tpj6rIxAGzNJM6doX4OXxDmSQ

by **WhiteBoyHatcher** Thu 31 Oct 2024 - 12:24

Sent this to my dad yesterday and asked him to share it with any family/friends who are on the fence or sitting out.

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