Re: The deportation thread.

[sεяεηιτλ]

You're the one that said you wanted to give them their fascism, right? Isn't that part of it? People are just things, tools, a means to an end, or garbage.

Sending a few bus loads of people somewhere is just a political stunt. Deporting 20 million people requires a huge operation at scale. You can't half ass it. You need efficient and systematic cruelty. There is a model for this.

So we need some trains. Let's make them build some new and dedicated deportation train lines headed south. While we're at it, let's take over a few miles of mexican territory (fuck them, what are they actually going to do) just so we can drop them off in the middle of nowhere mexico.

[PennSpartan]

You're the one that said you wanted to give them their fascism, right? Isn't that part of it? People are just things, tools, a means to an end, or garbage.

Sending a few bus loads of people somewhere is just a political stunt. Deporting 20 million people requires a huge operation at scale. You can't half ass it. You need efficient and systematic cruelty. There is a model for this.

First of all, I don’t believe the 20 million number. That was Republican propaganda for the election. Secondly, stopping the migration and beginning to send some home will send a message. They can’t get in without following the rules. And just stop with the cruelty crap.

[Heat Miser]

You're the one that said you wanted to give them their fascism, right? Isn't that part of it? People are just things, tools, a means to an end, or garbage.

Sending a few bus loads of people somewhere is just a political stunt. Deporting 20 million people requires a huge operation at scale. You can't half ass it. You need efficient and systematic cruelty. There is a model for this.

First of all, I don’t believe the 20 million number. That was Republican propaganda for the election. Secondly, stopping the migration and beginning to send some home will send a message. They can’t get in without following the rules. And just stop with the cruelty crap.

What do you think the number is?

[PennSpartan]

First of all, I don’t believe the 20 million number. That was Republican propaganda for the election. Secondly, stopping the migration and beginning to send some home will send a message. They can’t get in without following the rules. And just stop with the cruelty crap.

What do you think the number is?

I have no idea. But current estimates put homeless numbers at about 650k in the U.S. If there are 20 million migrants here now, where are they? NYC reports having about 200k migrants. There is something odd about that 20 million number.

[Cameron]

I'll be honest, I still don't care about immigration. I recognize that a lot of people do, and I think that is very stupid of them. Ultimately, illegal immigrants can't steal your job, rich fucks can only give it away. That is the message we need to hammer home. Illegal immigrants can't work if no one hires them. Those are the fuckers we need to crucify (the business owners who hire illegals, to be clear).

[kingstonlake]

Let’s be honest. For people like Penn and others them being “illegal” isn’t the issue. It what they look and talk like. They aren't like him. He doesn’t think they belong here to begin with. You can tell by the derogatory way he refers to legal Hispanic females who’ve accomplished more than he ever will in life. You can tell by the especially cruel way he fantasizes it can be done. You tell by the timeout he received previously. It’s who he is.

[DWags]

Hey Latinos for Trump.     Welp.  How do you keep families from being separated if you’re going to deport the illegals?  Just deport the whole damn family

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[Trapper Gus]

Had to use Wicki to look up immigration, and it left me with the idea that what the country can use in numbers of immigrants, and what the country wants to have by law, are way out of sync.

Also, anyone whose ancestors came to the US before the 1920's has no business making claims about coming the "right way" since before about 1920 the US welcomed most, except Japanese & Chinese with open arms.

My view is that if someone is here, has been here for some nimber of years, say naybe 5, has a job, and wants to stay, however they got here, should be put on a path to citizenship. Thier kids born here are citizens, and their kids brought here should be.

[GRR Spartan]

Don't know the rest of you folks live but I seriously doubt a bunch of blond haired blue eyed 17-25 year old Dutch boys are going to be mobbing local dairy farms and slaughter houses for jobs when The Trump administration starts going after the families of the current workforce.

Bush2 and then Obama administration told poultry and beef processors in Nebraska and Iowa they were going have raids and force those facilities to use E-Verify for all employees and new hires.

State legislatures, the governors, Congressmen and US Senators from those states protested and both times the Presidential administrations backed down.

Trump will go after people whose absence won't hurt the bottom line of his billionaire donor base.

[kingstonlake]

Wild rumors being spread on social media by locals that they’re going to turn Wurtsmith AFB in Oscoda into a fema compound for illegals to be deported.

You can’t make this up. Now these MAGA morons are gettin up in their feelings about having illegals in the area….. to be deported.

https://www.truenorthradionetwork.com/news/fema-not-dumping-350-semi--trailers-at-oscoda-airport/article_6642227c-a072-11ef-9844-ef00da543720.html?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR35NQqHMpguJD270VHEqnWuwb66msYNjLa58jNFin_cCxClRvWaBkSqGFQ_aem_nfZji6oxxuw2DCTN0V1AcA

[sεяεηιτλ]

Wild rumors being spread on social media by locals that they’re going to turn Wurtsmith AFB in Oscoda into a fema compound for illegals to be deported.

You can’t make this up. Now these MAGA morons are gettin up in their feelings about having illegals in the area….. to be deported.

https://www.truenorthradionetwork.com/news/fema-not-dumping-350-semi--trailers-at-oscoda-airport/article_6642227c-a072-11ef-9844-ef00da543720.html?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR35NQqHMpguJD270VHEqnWuwb66msYNjLa58jNFin_cCxClRvWaBkSqGFQ_aem_nfZji6oxxuw2DCTN0V1AcA

So tmwhat exactly so they want? BeCause honestly It seems like they just want anybody that is brown snatched, put on a bus and dropped off in Mexico with zero verification process.

[TravelinMan]

Are they gone yet? Is it safe to let my pets out of the house? Please advise.

[Trapper Gus]

Are they gone yet? Is it safe to let my pets out of the house? Please advise.

Keep fattening them up for your Thanksgiving Day dinner

[Trapper Gus]

Paul Krugman of The New York Times writes about the probable consequences to food prices should Trump carry out his plans for mass deportations.

...with the economy starting from, essentially, full employment in his second term, Trump, with mass deportations, would degrade productive capacity, balloon deficits and — yes — bring inflation roaring back, keeping a grim pledge on punitive immigration policy while breaking one on providing relief to American consumers.

Here’s what I mean: If you’re upset about grocery prices now, see what happens if Trump goes after a huge part of the agricultural work force; immigrants are around three-quarters of agricultural workers — and roughly half of them are undocumented. (And do you really doubt that many workers legally here will be caught up in Trump’s threatened dragnets?) Undocumented immigrants also play a large role in food processing. For example, they account for an estimated 30 to 50 percent of workers in meatpacking.

If these workers are deported, the food industry will probably have great difficulty replacing them. Even in the best case, the industry will have to offer much higher wages — and, of course, these higher wages will be passed on in higher prices.

(Oh, and while we produce most of what we eat, we also import a lot of food — whose prices would be raised by tariffs.)

[NigelUno]

Paul Krugman of The New York Times writes about the probable consequences to food prices should Trump carry out his plans for mass deportations.

...with the economy starting from, essentially, full employment in his second term, Trump, with mass deportations, would degrade productive capacity, balloon deficits and — yes — bring inflation roaring back, keeping a grim pledge on punitive immigration policy while breaking one on providing relief to American consumers.

Here’s what I mean: If you’re upset about grocery prices now, see what happens if Trump goes after a huge part of the agricultural work force; immigrants are around three-quarters of agricultural workers — and roughly half of them are undocumented. (And do you really doubt that many workers legally here will be caught up in Trump’s threatened dragnets?) Undocumented immigrants also play a large role in food processing. For example, they account for an estimated 30 to 50 percent of workers in meatpacking.

If these workers are deported, the food industry will probably have great difficulty replacing them. Even in the best case, the industry will have to offer much higher wages — and, of course, these higher wages will be passed on in higher prices.

(Oh, and while we produce most of what we eat, we also import a lot of food — whose prices would be raised by tariffs.)

Fake News

[PennSpartan]

Paul Krugman of The New York Times writes about the probable consequences to food prices should Trump carry out his plans for mass deportations.

...with the economy starting from, essentially, full employment in his second term, Trump, with mass deportations, would degrade productive capacity, balloon deficits and — yes — bring inflation roaring back, keeping a grim pledge on punitive immigration policy while breaking one on providing relief to American consumers.

Here’s what I mean: If you’re upset about grocery prices now, see what happens if Trump goes after a huge part of the agricultural work force; immigrants are around three-quarters of agricultural workers — and roughly half of them are undocumented. (And do you really doubt that many workers legally here will be caught up in Trump’s threatened dragnets?) Undocumented immigrants also play a large role in food processing. For example, they account for an estimated 30 to 50 percent of workers in meatpacking.

If these workers are deported, the food industry will probably have great difficulty replacing them. Even in the best case, the industry will have to offer much higher wages — and, of course, these higher wages will be passed on in higher prices.

(Oh, and while we produce most of what we eat, we also import a lot of food — whose prices would be raised by tariffs.)

But if 20 million are deported, that’s less mouths to feed right? So less food needs to be produced.

[Trapper Gus]

immigrants are around three-quarters of agricultural workers — and roughly half of them are undocumented. (And do you really doubt that many workers legally here will be caught up in Trump’s threatened dragnets?) Undocumented immigrants also play a large role in food processing. For example, they account for an estimated 30 to 50 percent of workers in meatpacking.

20 million is less than 7% of the total population, but they make up about 50% of the labor force in key food chains.

Your numbers don't add up.

[PennSpartan]

immigrants are around three-quarters of agricultural workers — and roughly half of them are undocumented. (And do you really doubt that many workers legally here will be caught up in Trump’s threatened dragnets?) Undocumented immigrants also play a large role in food processing. For example, they account for an estimated 30 to 50 percent of workers in meatpacking.

20 million is less than 7% of the total population, but they make up about 50% of the labor force in key food chains.

Your numbers don't add up.

I’m guessing 20 million eat a lot of food. And they can’t work because they are ILLEGAL. We went over this, remember?

[NigelUno]

20 million is less than 7% of the total population, but they make up about 50% of the labor force in key food chains.

Your numbers don't add up.

I’m guessing 20 million eat a lot of food. And they can’t work because they are ILLEGAL. We went over this, remember?

Did you ever take an Econ class?

[PennSpartan]

I’m guessing 20 million eat a lot of food. And they can’t work because they are ILLEGAL. We went over this, remember?

Did you ever take an Econ class?

Yup.

[Jake from State Farm]

immigrants are around three-quarters of agricultural workers — and roughly half of them are undocumented. (And do you really doubt that many workers legally here will be caught up in Trump’s threatened dragnets?) Undocumented immigrants also play a large role in food processing. For example, they account for an estimated 30 to 50 percent of workers in meatpacking.

20 million is less than 7% of the total population, but they make up about 50% of the labor force in key food chains.

Your numbers don't add up.

Donnie the Felon is going to have to deport them at a rate of close to 14,000 people per day in order to have them all gone by the time his term ends. I'm pretty sure his numbers aren't going to add up either.

[NigelUno]

Did you ever take an Econ class?

Yup.

Awesome. So, you do have a basic understanding of supply and demand, and things like cost of goods sold, but are choosing to ignore them for purposes of trolling?

[PennSpartan]

Yup.

Awesome. So, you do have a basic understanding of supply and demand, and things like cost of goods sold, but are choosing to ignore them for purposes of trolling?

I understand that 20 million extra people causes more demand. And 40 million would mean even more. And that we have a finite amount of land and water in this country to produce food. And that farming is less and less labor intensive each year. We don’t need 20 million people to work the farms. That’s my Econ class for you.

[Trapper Gus]

Awesome.  So, you do have a basic understanding of supply and demand, and things like cost of goods sold, but are choosing to ignore them for purposes of trolling?  

I understand that 20 million extra people causes more demand.  And 40 million would mean even more.  And that we have a finite amount of land and water in this country to produce food.  And that farming is less and less labor intensive each year.  We don’t need 20 million people to work the farms.  That’s my Econ class for you.

So do you understand that the supply/demand curve isn't a straight line?

To your other points, automation works well for crops like beans, corn & wheat, and not so well for vegees, fruit and nuts.

7% of the population isn't going to eat all of the 50% of the food they produce, either.

This year there were reports about crops in Florida, where the governor clamped down on undocumented workers, rotting in the fields due to lack of workers.

[NigelUno]

Awesome. So, you do have a basic understanding of supply and demand, and things like cost of goods sold, but are choosing to ignore them for purposes of trolling?

I understand that 20 million extra people causes more demand. And 40 million would mean even more. And that we have a finite amount of land and water in this country to produce food. And that farming is less and less labor intensive each year. We don’t need 20 million people to work the farms. That’s my Econ class for you.

So…automation and removal of cheap labor will lower the cost of food?

Should I wait for your next tap dancing reply?

[PennSpartan]

I’ll simplify this for you. We don’t need any more people. Now let’s talk about the real reason progressives support the migrants and want them to become citizens. The dirty little secret. Trapper knows.

[NigelUno]

I’ll simplify this for you. We don’t need any more people. Now let’s talk about the real reason progressives support the migrants and want them to become citizens. The dirty little secret. Trapper knows.

Simple question:

If you remove immigrants from food/crop industries, will prices go up or down?

[Heat Miser]

I’ll simplify this for you.  We don’t need any more people.  Now let’s talk about the real reason progressives support the migrants and want them to become citizens.  The dirty little secret.  Trapper knows.

You really don't know shit about economics or capitalism. Both rely on growth. Constant growth. Forever. Just like cancer. And thus you always need more & more people producing & consuming more & more things. Developed prosperous countries inevitably have declining birthrates, so the only way to feed the growth engine is immigration. Which is exactly what this country has done since its inception.

[PennSpartan]

I’ll simplify this for you. We don’t need any more people. Now let’s talk about the real reason progressives support the migrants and want them to become citizens. The dirty little secret. Trapper knows.

Simple question:

If you remove immigrants from food/crop industries, will prices go up or down?

I’ll simplify this for you. We don’t need any more people. Now let’s talk about the real reason progressives support the migrants and want them to become citizens. The dirty little secret. Trapper knows.

Simple question:

If you remove immigrants from food/crop industries, will prices go up or down?

I don’t care. If the price doubles it’s not going to bother me. But I bet the migrants would have a tougher time.

[PennSpartan]

I’ll simplify this for you.  We don’t need any more people.  Now let’s talk about the real reason progressives support the migrants and want them to become citizens.  The dirty little secret.  Trapper knows.

You really don't know shit about economics or capitalism. Both rely on growth. Constant growth. Forever. Just like cancer. And thus you always need more & more people producing & consuming more & more things. Developed prosperous countries inevitably have declining birthrates, so the only way to feed the growth engine is immigration. Which is exactly what this country has done since its inception.

What about the countries the migrants are coming from. Don’t they need population growth too? Or don’t you care about them?

[Heat Miser]

I’ll simplify this for you.  We don’t need any more people.  Now let’s talk about the real reason progressives support the migrants and want them to become citizens.  The dirty little secret.  Trapper knows.

You really don't know shit about economics or capitalism. Both rely on growth. Constant growth. Forever. Just like cancer. And thus you always need more & more people producing & consuming more & more things. Developed prosperous countries inevitably have declining birthrates, so the only way to feed the growth engine is immigration. Which is exactly what this country has done since its inception.

What about the countries the migrants are coming from. Don’t they need population growth too? Or don’t you care about them?

non se·qui·tur
/ˌnän ˈsekwədər/
noun
noun: non sequitur; plural noun: non sequiturs; noun: nonsequitur; plural noun: nonsequiturs
a conclusion or statement that does not logically follow from the previous argument or statement.
"his weird mixed metaphors and non sequiturs"

[PennSpartan]

What about the countries the migrants are coming from.  Don’t they need population growth too?  Or don’t you care about them?

non se·qui·tur
/ˌnän ˈsekwədər/
noun
noun: non sequitur; plural noun: non sequiturs; noun: nonsequitur; plural noun: nonsequiturs
a conclusion or statement that does not logically follow from the previous argument or statement.
"his weird mixed metaphors and non sequiturs"

Sorry.  Let me simplify it.  Trump won.  He’s going to close the border and begin deportations.  All of your anger directed at me isn’t going to change a thing.

[Heat Miser]

What about the countries the migrants are coming from.  Don’t they need population growth too?  Or don’t you care about them?

non se·qui·tur
/ˌnän ˈsekwədər/
noun
noun: non sequitur; plural noun: non sequiturs; noun: nonsequitur; plural noun: nonsequiturs
a conclusion or statement that does not logically follow from the previous argument or statement.
"his weird mixed metaphors and non sequiturs"

Sorry.  Let me simplify it.  Trump won.  He’s going to close the border and begin deportations.  All of your anger directed at me isn’t going to change a thing.

Let me simplify it. Nobody's denying what's going to happen. People are simply pointing out the easily foreseeable consequences. And no amount of trolling by you is going to change that.

[PennSpartan]

Sorry.  Let me simplify it.  Trump won.  He’s going to close the border and begin deportations.  All of your anger directed at me isn’t going to change a thing.

Let me simplify it. Nobody's denying what's going to happen. People are simply pointing out the easily foreseeable consequences. And no amount of trolling by you is going to change that.

Whenever I say something it’s trolling. Whenever you say something it’s not. Is that how it works?

[PennSpartan]

“Overpopulation occurs when a population exceeds the carrying capacity of its environment, meaning the number of people or animals is too large for the resources available to support them.

Overpopulation can have serious consequences for the environment, society, and the economy, including:

Environmental degradation
As the population grows, there is more demand for resources like water, land, and energy, which can lead to deforestation, loss of biodiversity, and climate change.

Resource depletion
The Earth's resources are finite, and a growing population puts pressure on them, leading to shortages of food and fresh water.

Social challenges
As more people compete for limited resources, social inequality and poverty can worsen. Urban areas can face overcrowding, inadequate housing, and poor sanitation.”

(From Population Matters)

[Heat Miser]

“Overpopulation occurs when a population exceeds the carrying capacity of its environment, meaning the number of people or animals is too large for the resources available to support them.

Overpopulation can have serious consequences for the environment, society, and the economy, including:

Environmental degradation
As the population grows, there is more demand for resources like water, land, and energy, which can lead to deforestation, loss of biodiversity, and climate change.

Resource depletion
The Earth's resources are finite, and a growing population puts pressure on them, leading to shortages of food and fresh water.

Social challenges
As more people compete for limited resources, social inequality and poverty can worsen. Urban areas can face overcrowding, inadequate housing, and poor sanitation.”

(From Population Matters)

I agree with you that the country (and the world) is overpopulated. Humans are a scourge on the planet. That doesn't change my previous points about economic growth.

[Heat Miser]

Another example of shitty Dem messaging. No messaging at all in this case actually. Open borders indeed.

The Biden Administration Is on Pace to Match Trump Deportation Numbers—Focusing on the Border, Not the U.S. Interior

[PennSpartan]

“Overpopulation occurs when a population exceeds the carrying capacity of its environment, meaning the number of people or animals is too large for the resources available to support them.

Overpopulation can have serious consequences for the environment, society, and the economy, including:

Environmental degradation
As the population grows, there is more demand for resources like water, land, and energy, which can lead to deforestation, loss of biodiversity, and climate change.

Resource depletion
The Earth's resources are finite, and a growing population puts pressure on them, leading to shortages of food and fresh water.

Social challenges
As more people compete for limited resources, social inequality and poverty can worsen. Urban areas can face overcrowding, inadequate housing, and poor sanitation.”

(From Population Matters)

I agree with you that the country (and the world) is overpopulated. Humans are a scourge on the planet. That doesn't change my previous points about economic growth.

If we decided as a country (through policy) that we needed a lot more immigrants to sustain economic growth, then it should be done fairly (all countries), legally, and in an organized fashion. The way it’s happening now is ridiculous.

[Heat Miser]

“Overpopulation occurs when a population exceeds the carrying capacity of its environment, meaning the number of people or animals is too large for the resources available to support them.

Overpopulation can have serious consequences for the environment, society, and the economy, including:

Environmental degradation
As the population grows, there is more demand for resources like water, land, and energy, which can lead to deforestation, loss of biodiversity, and climate change.

Resource depletion
The Earth's resources are finite, and a growing population puts pressure on them, leading to shortages of food and fresh water.

Social challenges
As more people compete for limited resources, social inequality and poverty can worsen. Urban areas can face overcrowding, inadequate housing, and poor sanitation.”

(From Population Matters)

I agree with you that the country (and the world) is overpopulated. Humans are a scourge on the planet. That doesn't change my previous points about economic growth.

If we decided as a country (through policy) that we needed a lot more immigrants to sustain economic growth, then it should be done fairly (all countries), legally, and in an organized fashion. The way it’s happening now is ridiculous.

Of course it's ridiculous. But we've already discussed this. The solution is faster & more efficient documentation and processing. However, more than half of all illegal immigrants in this country are visa over stayers who arrived through legal points of entry. I dated a pretty hot Peruvian girl back in the day who did exactly that.

[Motown Spartan]

I wonder if Bob's gay Hispanic neighbors voted for Trump and if they did, should we report them to ICE without knowing their status?

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