Re: The deportation thread.

[aualum06]

I’ll simplify this for you. We don’t need any more people. Now let’s talk about the real reason progressives support the migrants and want them to become citizens. The dirty little secret. Trapper knows.

Those jobs going unfulfilled is a big deal

[kingstonlake]

So clearly Penns hot button issues are as follows since his newest return

1) Illegal immigration is out of control
2) Approves of rounding them up and deporting them (I don’t know how you do that other than stop and frisk because the “look” illegal)
3) Full and unequivocal support of Israel
4) If the Gaza Strip is flattened so be it
5) Had to be drug by his feet to condemn Nazis
6) Anti any form of student debt relief
7) Can’t stand Tim Walz

And he’s gonna try to convince us he voted for Harris. Sure. Okay.

Edit to add:
WARNING: This post contains opinion. If you are easily offended DO NOT READ

[TravelinMan]

I’ll simplify this for you. We don’t need any more people. Now let’s talk about the real reason progressives support the migrants and want them to become citizens. The dirty little secret. Trapper knows.

Simple question:

If you remove immigrants from food/crop industries, will prices go up or down?

And for extra credit, what will happen to labor wages and union participation?

[Robert J Sakimano]

I wonder if Bob's gay Hispanic neighbors voted for Trump and if they did, should we report them to ICE without knowing their status?

I don't really know what is "hispanic" - I think they're from Portugal. Maybe South America.

one of them is an engineer, seems to do okay financially. The other one stays home - doesn't speak a lick of English but seems like a nice enough guy. Does a lot of work around their house, their yard.

but, I don't know - if the racist christian republican/libertarians get rid of them because Russia and the mainstream media convinced them that they're eating cats and dogs, there will be a nice house up for sale.

[Heat Miser]

I wonder if Bob's gay Hispanic neighbors voted for Trump and if they did, should we report them to ICE without knowing their status?

I don't really know what is "hispanic" - I think they're from Portugal. Maybe South America.

one of them is an engineer, seems to do okay financially. The other one stays home - doesn't speak a lick of English but seems like a nice enough guy. Does a lot of work around their house, their yard.

but, I don't know - if the racist christian republican/libertarians get rid of them because Russia and the mainstream media convinced them that they're eating cats and dogs, there will be a nice house up for sale.

Maybe you can just annex their house Israel style. You probably wouldn't even need to bomb it first.

[Robert J Sakimano]

So clearly Penns hot button issues are as follows since his newest return

1) Illegal immigration is out of control
2) Approves of rounding them up and deporting them (I don’t know how you do that other than stop and frisk because the “look” illegal)
3) Full and unequivocal support of Israel
4) If the Gaza Strip is flattened so be it
5) Had to be drug by his feet to condemn Nazis
6) Anti any form of student debt relief
7) Can’t stand Tim Walz

And he’s gonna try to convince us he voted for Harris. Sure. Okay.

remember, Penn also posts this:

WARNING: This post contains opinion. If you are easily offended DO NOT READ.  

while, like all republicans/libertarians, whining about every single thing imaginable.

[Trapper Gus]

Simple question:

If you remove immigrants from food/crop industries, will prices go up or down?

And for extra credit, what will happen to labor wages and union participation?

Pretty much no effect, those jobs will not be filled as few people want to, or in the case if field work, can, do them.

[kingstonlake]

Simple question:

If you remove immigrants from food/crop industries, will prices go up or down?

And for extra credit, what will happen to labor wages and union participation?

Are you aware of Project 2025 and unions?

[GRR Spartan]

Any word about deporting trolls?

[TravelinMan]

And for extra credit, what will happen to labor wages and union participation?

Pretty much no effect, those jobs will not be filled as few people want to, or in the case if field work, can, do them.

Yes, that is exactly how supply and demand works. /s

[PennSpartan]

If we decided as a country (through policy) that we needed a lot more immigrants to sustain economic growth, then it should be done fairly (all countries), legally, and in an organized fashion. The way it’s happening now is ridiculous.

Of course it's ridiculous. But we've already discussed this. The solution is faster & more efficient documentation and processing. However, more than half of all illegal immigrants in this country are visa over stayers who arrived through legal points of entry. I dated a pretty hot Peruvian girl back in the day who did exactly that.

Again, start with the policy. Legislation. Something on paper stating we need more immigrants. Not just a few people saying so.

[NigelUno]

Of course it's ridiculous. But we've already discussed this. The solution is faster & more efficient documentation and processing. However, more than half of all illegal immigrants in this country are visa over stayers who arrived through legal points of entry. I dated a pretty hot Peruvian girl back in the day who did exactly that.

Again, start with the policy. Legislation. Something on paper stating we need more immigrants. Not just a few people saying so.

YOU say we need less (or no) immigrants.

How would that impact the price of food in this country?

Simple question. Answer it.

[PennSpartan]

Again, start with the policy.  Legislation.  Something on paper stating we need more immigrants.  Not just a few people saying so.

YOU say we need less (or no) immigrants.

How would that impact the price of food in this country?

Simple question.   Answer it.  

I don’t have to answer your question.  I don’t care about the price of food.  I shop at Whole Foods and dine at Ruth’s Chris.

Edit: Now you have my mouth watering for that Tomahawk Ribeye. $142. I better find a clean shirt because I know it’s calling my name…

[sεяεηιτλ]

Paul Krugman of The New York Times writes about the probable consequences to food prices should Trump carry out his plans for mass deportations.

...with the economy starting from, essentially, full employment in his second term, Trump, with mass deportations, would degrade productive capacity, balloon deficits and — yes — bring inflation roaring back, keeping a grim pledge on punitive immigration policy while breaking one on providing relief to American consumers.

Here’s what I mean: If you’re upset about grocery prices now, see what happens if Trump goes after a huge part of the agricultural work force; immigrants are around three-quarters of agricultural workers — and roughly half of them are undocumented. (And do you really doubt that many workers legally here will be caught up in Trump’s threatened dragnets?) Undocumented immigrants also play a large role in food processing. For example, they account for an estimated 30 to 50 percent of workers in meatpacking.

If these workers are deported, the food industry will probably have great difficulty replacing them. Even in the best case, the industry will have to offer much higher wages — and, of course, these higher wages will be passed on in higher prices.

(Oh, and while we produce most of what we eat, we also import a lot of food — whose prices would be raised by tariffs.)

Everyone is acting like Trump's illegal immigrant deportation plan will be applied evenly. When has anything trump done been even?

Here is what's going to happen. There will be no raids in agricultural areas. It won't even be talked about. They will raid in urban areas and trump will characterize this as a primarily liberal city problem. He'll get his heads and the cities will deal with the fallout of a lack of immigrant labor but it won't much effect the food supply.

[NigelUno]

YOU say we need less (or no) immigrants.

How would that impact the price of food in this country?

Simple question.   Answer it.  

I don’t have to answer your question.  I don’t care about the price of food.  I shop at Whole Foods and dine at Ruth’s Chris.

Edit: Now you have my mouth watering for that Tomahawk Ribeye. $142. I better find a clean shirt because I know it’s calling my name…

Another non-answer. Shocking.

I'm sensing a trend.

Did you get an incomplete on your ECON grade?

[PennSpartan]

I don’t have to answer your question.  I don’t care about the price of food.  I shop at Whole Foods and dine at Ruth’s Chris.

Edit: Now you have my mouth watering for that Tomahawk Ribeye. $142. I better find a clean shirt because I know it’s calling my name…

Another non-answer. Shocking.

I'm sensing a trend.

Did you get an incomplete on your ECON grade?

You can answer my question, which I mentioned earlier. What’s the real reason progressives want the migrants to stay and keep coming?

[kingstonlake]

YOU say we need less (or no) immigrants.

How would that impact the price of food in this country?

Simple question.   Answer it.  

I don’t have to answer your question.  I don’t care about the price of food.  I shop at Whole Foods and dine at Ruth’s Chris.

Edit: Now you have my mouth watering for that Tomahawk Ribeye. $142. I better find a clean shirt because I know it’s calling my name…

Table for 1, sir?

[PennSpartan]

The dirty little secret that no progressive will admit. What is it?

[DWags]

Again, start with the policy. Legislation. Something on paper stating we need more immigrants. Not just a few people saying so.

YOU say we need less (or no) immigrants.

How would that impact the price of food in this country?

Simple question. Answer it.

The more people respond to that liar, the more he sticks around. You’ll never get him to answer an honest question. When he can’t, he just doesn’t.

[PennSpartan]

YOU say we need less (or no) immigrants.

How would that impact the price of food in this country?

Simple question. Answer it.

The more people respond to that liar, the more he sticks around. You’ll never get him to answer an honest question. When he can’t, he just doesn’t.

[Trapper Gus]

Article about effect of deportation on the people of Michigan...

They are bracing for the worst, and many expect US citizens will be deported, too...

https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-government/what-donald-trumps-mass-deportations-may-mean-michigan-immigrants

[PennSpartan]

Article about effect of deportation on the people of Michigan...

They are bracing for the worst, and many expect US citizens will be deported, too...

https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-government/what-donald-trumps-mass-deportations-may-mean-michigan-immigrants

If only someone would invent something like a work visa. Seems like it would have potential.

[Robert J Sakimano]

Article about effect of deportation on the people of Michigan...

They are bracing for the worst, and many expect US citizens will be deported, too...

https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-government/what-donald-trumps-mass-deportations-may-mean-michigan-immigrants

wait'll christian republican/libertarians hear that jesus was a scary brown immigrant.

[NigelUno]

Another non-answer. Shocking.

I'm sensing a trend.

Did you get an incomplete on your ECON grade?

You can answer my question, which I mentioned earlier. What’s the real reason progressives want the migrants to stay and keep coming?

So...still no answer. So...weird.

Why do the companies that employ them want them to stay?

[sεяεηιτλ]

Another non-answer. Shocking.

I'm sensing a trend.

Did you get an incomplete on your ECON grade?

You can answer my question, which I mentioned earlier. What’s the real reason progressives want the migrants to stay and keep coming?

For me, it's because a great deal of our economy is essentially a pyramid scheme that requires a bigger and bigger base in order to provide the necessary funds to keep functioning. As it turns out, population increases in developed western nations typically decrease, shrinking the base that I just described. That can be offset and rectified through increased immigration. Its just math.

[sεяεηιτλ]

The dirty little secret that no progressive will admit.  What is it?

I know what you're thinking and it's dumb, it's only partially true to maybe some people.  We would treat immigrants from elsewhere pretty equally, Muslims and Indians and Cubans can all be pretty conservative. We aren't protesting more cuban immigrants, as an example.

[PennSpartan]

You can answer my question, which I mentioned earlier. What’s the real reason progressives want the migrants to stay and keep coming?

So...still no answer. So...weird.

Why do the companies that employ them want them to stay?

Cheap labor. Which you’re against. Odd.

[PennSpartan]

The dirty little secret that no progressive will admit.  What is it?

I know what you're thinking and it's dumb, it's only partially true to maybe some people.  We would treat immigrants from elsewhere pretty equally, Muslims and Indians and Cubans can all be pretty conservative. We aren't protesting more cuban immigrants, as an example.

But you know it’s the truth.

[Trapper Gus]

I know what you're thinking and it's dumb, it's only partially true to maybe some people.  We would treat immigrants from elsewhere pretty equally, Muslims and Indians and Cubans can all be pretty conservative. We aren't protesting more cuban immigrants, as an example.

But you know it’s the truth.

No Penn. The far left would like to make immigrants who are in the country legal, taking away the leverage the employers have over them. Unionized would be great too, and we support that.

It the right who bitches about immigrants while exploiting their status with low wages.

[PennSpartan]

But you know it’s the truth.  

No Penn.  The far left would like to make immigrants who are in the country legal, taking away the leverage the employers have over them.  Unionized would be great too, and we support that.

It the right who bitches about immigrants while exploiting their status with low wages.

You just inadvertently admitted to the dirty little secret.  Progressives want to make them citizens and Democrats.  It’s the only way they can possibly keep up with the numbers of Republicans which are increasing every day.  Thanks!

Edit: You better talk to NigelUno about that Union stuff. Farm workers making union wages and benefits isn’t going to lower the cost of groceries.

[Trapper Gus]

No Penn.  The far left would like to make immigrants who are in the country legal, taking away the leverage the employers have over them.  Unionized would be great too, and we support that.

It the right who bitches about immigrants while exploiting their status with low wages.

You just inadvertently admitted to the dirty little secret.  Progressives want to make them citizens and Democrats.  It’s the only way they can possibly keep up with the numbers of Republicans which are increasing every day.  Thanks!

No Penn.

Your side thinks about power.  Liberals are all about following the ideals of the United States, that all are created equal, with equal opportunity for life, liberty & happyness.happiness.

Your side was killing cops because you lost an election. Liberals are all, it sucks that Trump won and Penn is going to be so screwed in the next four years but we will do what we can within the law to help him.

[PennSpartan]

You just inadvertently admitted to the dirty little secret. Progressives want to make them citizens and Democrats. It’s the only way they can possibly keep up with the numbers of Republicans which are increasing every day. Thanks!

No Penn.

Your side thinks about power. Liberals are all about following the ideals of the United States, that all are created equal, with equal opportunity for life, liberty & happyness.

[NigelUno]

So...still no answer. So...weird.

Why do the companies that employ them want them to stay?

Cheap labor. Which you’re against. Odd.

Wait, what? Just a new deflection? Some kind of strawman? Moving the goal posts? Not sure what you're going for here.

(You still haven't answered the first question, but I mean...not really expecting you to have an honest discussion at this point.)

I am not against cheap labor. I'm not fond of immigrants being exploited by US companies, consumers, and then for political purposes (you know by people who are afraid of immigrants...except when they're in the check out line at the grocery store, or at a restaurant, etc, etc...).

Surely...you're not dumb enough to fall for that scare tactic, right?

Right?

[Trapper Gus]

No Penn.

Your side thinks about power. Liberals are all about following the ideals of the United States, that all are created equal, with equal opportunity for life, liberty & happyness.

Dude, you have been coming in your pants over the idea of killing immigrants. And now you laughing about it.

You are one sick puppy.

[PennSpartan]

Cheap labor. Which you’re against. Odd.

Wait, what? Just a new deflection? Some kind of strawman? Moving the goal posts? Not sure what you're going for here.

(You still haven't answered the first question, but I mean...not really expecting you to have an honest discussion at this point.)

I am not against cheap labor. I'm not fond of immigrants being exploited by US companies, consumers, and then for political purposes (you know by people who are afraid of immigrants...except when they're in the check out line at the grocery store, or at a restaurant, etc, etc...).

Surely...you're not dumb enough to fall for that scare tactic, right?

Right?

Cheap labor is great as long as it isn’t white people, amirite?

[PennSpartan]

Dude, you have been coming in your pants over the idea of killing immigrants. And now you laughing about it.

You are one sick puppy.

You have lost your marbles. Seriously.

[NigelUno]

No Penn.  The far left would like to make immigrants who are in the country legal, taking away the leverage the employers have over them.  Unionized would be great too, and we support that.

It the right who bitches about immigrants while exploiting their status with low wages.

You just inadvertently admitted to the dirty little secret.  Progressives want to make them citizens and Democrats.  It’s the only way they can possibly keep up with the numbers of Republicans which are increasing every day.  Thanks!

Edit: You better talk to NigelUno about that Union stuff. Farm workers making union wages and benefits isn’t going to lower the cost of groceries.

And you obviously don't want to make them citizens, because it will cost you money at the grocery store.

And there we have it.

[Trapper Gus]

Dude, you have been coming in your pants over the idea of killing immigrants. And now you laughing about it.

You are one sick puppy.

You have lost your marbles.  Seriously.

Not at all.  Just tired of your glee over killing immigrants and your total ignorance as to how immigration has been improving this country.

Your position on this issue is both destructive to our country's well bring and deeply racist.  Which is disturbing to see.

It sad that you are too blinded by your hatred for other people of all sorts to see this.

Yes, your wife died, probably from living in a dirty environment as that is what causes many cancers. Get over it and stop taking out your grief on the rest of the world.

[sεяεηιτλ]

I know what you're thinking and it's dumb, it's only partially true to maybe some people.  We would treat immigrants from elsewhere pretty equally, Muslims and Indians and Cubans can all be pretty conservative.  We aren't protesting more cuban immigrants, as an example.

But you know it’s the truth.  

Only partially, it's more of a side effect of being open and caring people's that want better for everyone and are for human rights.  Motivations are complicated like that.  Both can be true and I don't believe your assertion is intentional.  Its more about they are here, we can't get rid of them, so let's make them trackable a d let's make them tax payers.  Immigration has LONG been used to buck population trends. To fill gaps in work forces, to grow.  To build railroads, etc etc, this is not a new concept.  I'm sorry that Republicans can't get behind a nation who has a statue of liberty that says "give us your tired, your poor" etc etc.  maybe if they weren't such ass holes and if they exhuded more American ideals, maybe just maybe more of them would support them.  But sure, let's blame the Democrats and their nefarious plan to import voters.... Who can't actually vote. Your brain is seriously rotting RFK style

[PennSpartan]

You just inadvertently admitted to the dirty little secret.  Progressives want to make them citizens and Democrats.  It’s the only way they can possibly keep up with the numbers of Republicans which are increasing every day.  Thanks!

Edit: You better talk to NigelUno about that Union stuff. Farm workers making union wages and benefits isn’t going to lower the cost of groceries.

And you obviously don't want to make them citizens, because it will cost you money at the grocery store.

And there we have it.

I don’t want to make them citizens for a host of reasons which I have previously explained. Go back and read.

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