Re: Good for the Sandy Hook families!

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2016-02-22, 15:24

Vlad wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:oh, that's right.

it's only people like me.. who are rational, calm and content that have to worry about getting murdered.

sorry - not sure what I was thinking.

That's right Bob. Arm yourself if you want to live in peace.

it is kind of odd how the folks who claim to enjoy freedom, peace, etc. seem to be the most paranoid, hate-filled people around.

by **xsanguine** 2016-02-22, 15:25

Vlad wrote:
xsanguine wrote:

What has been forcibly taken away from you by allowing people to possess firearms, Vlad?

The freedom of sending my kids to school without worrying about some crazy gun fuck grabbing his daddy's AR-15 and blowing away my kids. Nothing major, just that basic freedom.

(My kids' HS was on lock-down a couple of year ago because a kid brought a gun to school. Don't need that shit.)

That's a feeling, not a freedom. There is no "freedom" from bad things happening, Vlad.

We die in car crashes at a far higher rate and we die from cancer. You don't get freedom from bad things happening to you.

You do have the freedom to defend yourself against the inevitable happening.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2016-02-22, 15:29

xsanguine wrote:
Vlad wrote:

The freedom of sending my kids to school without worrying about some crazy gun fuck grabbing his daddy's AR-15 and blowing away my kids. Nothing major, just that basic freedom.

(My kids' HS was on lock-down a couple of year ago because a kid brought a gun to school. Don't need that shit.)

That's a feeling, not a freedom. There is no "freedom" from bad things happening, Vlad.

We die in car crashes at a far higher rate and we die from cancer. You don't get freedom from bad things happening to you.

You do have the freedom to defend yourself against the inevitable happening.

you talked me into it..

I'm going straight from work to buy some guns, a truck.. maybe grow a goatee.. shave my head.

FREEDOM!!!

by **xsanguine** 2016-02-22, 15:31

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
xsanguine wrote:

That's a feeling, not a freedom. There is no "freedom" from bad things happening, Vlad.

We die in car crashes at a far higher rate and we die from cancer. You don't get freedom from bad things happening to you.

You do have the freedom to defend yourself against the inevitable happening.
you talked me into it..

I'm going straight from work to buy some guns, a truck.. maybe grow a goatee.. shave my head.

FREEDOM!!!

Please do not grow a goatee, Bob. That would be unbecoming of you.

by **Rocinante** 2016-02-22, 15:32

xsanguine wrote:
Rocinante wrote:

I certainly have. For certain segments of the population. Namely, people identified by mental health professionals to have the potential to be a danger to themselves or others.

I'm down for that. I don't think it will make much of a difference but it's certainly something that would be done which would make a lot of people feel better.

The problem is, after the next killing and the next... It'll be something else.

There isn't any magic law that is going to work. This road will continue and continue until it comes to blanket prohibition like Europe.

But sure, prohibit "mentally ill" from legally purchasing a firearm. Why not.

Holy Crap. We agreed on Something.

by **Travis of the Cosmos** 2016-02-22, 15:32

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
xsanguine wrote:

That's a feeling, not a freedom. There is no "freedom" from bad things happening, Vlad.

We die in car crashes at a far higher rate and we die from cancer. You don't get freedom from bad things happening to you.

You do have the freedom to defend yourself against the inevitable happening.
you talked me into it..

I'm going straight from work to buy some guns, a truck.. maybe grow a goatee.. shave my head.

FREEDOM!!!

Can I take you on a date to an rcmb tailgate?

by Guest 2016-02-22, 15:34

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:you talked me into it..

I'm going straight from work to buy some guns, a truck.. maybe grow a goatee.. shave my head.

FREEDOM!!!

Can I take you on a date to an rcmb tailgate?

Damn it's good to see someone finally respond to Bob, he so badly wants to be relevant in this conversation. It was kinda sad watching him try to insert himself.

by **Travis of the Cosmos** 2016-02-22, 15:34

LooseGoose wrote:
Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

Can I take you on a date to an rcmb tailgate?

Damn it's good to see someone finally respond to Bob, he so badly wants to be relevant in this conversation. It was kinda sad watching him try to insert himself.

Xsang did first goose. Try to keep up.

by **xsanguine** 2016-02-22, 15:36

Rocinante wrote:
xsanguine wrote:

I'm down for that. I don't think it will make much of a difference but it's certainly something that would be done which would make a lot of people feel better.

The problem is, after the next killing and the next... It'll be something else.

There isn't any magic law that is going to work. This road will continue and continue until it comes to blanket prohibition like Europe.

But sure, prohibit "mentally ill" from legally purchasing a firearm. Why not.

Holy Crap. We agreed on Something.

I have some fears, though. How do we determine "mentally ill"? Because you have anxiety and take Xanax?

I just haven't seen any specifics on how we determine this or how it would be determined.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2016-02-22, 15:36

xsanguine wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:you talked me into it..

I'm going straight from work to buy some guns, a truck.. maybe grow a goatee.. shave my head.

FREEDOM!!!

Please do not grow a goatee, Bob. That would be unbecoming of you.

it's too late, man.. my mind is made up.

I'm also gonna get my daughter (sorry For bin) one of those pink rifles. She won't say it but I think she secretly admires Sarah Palin.

by **I.B. Fine** 2016-02-22, 15:37

xsanguine wrote:
Rocinante wrote:

I certainly have. For certain segments of the population. Namely, people identified by mental health professionals to have the potential to be a danger to themselves or others.

I'm down for that. I don't think it will make much of a difference but it's certainly something that would be done which would make a lot of people feel better.

The problem is, after the next killing and the next... It'll be something else.

There isn't any magic law that is going to work. This road will continue and continue until it comes to blanket prohibition like Europe.

But sure, prohibit "mentally ill" from legally purchasing a firearm. Why not.

Define "mentally ill", diagnosed paranoid Schizophrenia, a prescription for Prozac?

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2016-02-22, 15:37

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:you talked me into it..

I'm going straight from work to buy some guns, a truck.. maybe grow a goatee.. shave my head.

FREEDOM!!!

Can I take you on a date to an rcmb tailgate?

sounds good, man..

I have until football season to put on 60 lbs.. should be enough time.

by **Rocinante** 2016-02-22, 15:37

xsanguine wrote:
Rocinante wrote:

Holy Crap. We agreed on Something.

I have some fears, though. How do we determine "mentally ill"? Because you have anxiety and take Xanax?

I just haven't seen any specifics on how we determine this or how it would be determined.

I have a 5 point plan. It includes checks and balances and the ability to appeal a diagnosis. It also includes a way to get off the list once you are on it. Like when you get "better". It's part of my platform so I don't want to reveal too much.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2016-02-22, 15:37

LooseGoose wrote:
Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

Can I take you on a date to an rcmb tailgate?

Damn it's good to see someone finally respond to Bob, he so badly wants to be relevant in this conversation. It was kinda sad watching him try to insert himself.

bump..

by **The_Dude** 2016-02-22, 15:40

Vlad wrote:
xsanguine wrote:

What has been forcibly taken away from you by allowing people to possess firearms, Vlad?

The freedom of sending my kids to school without worrying about some crazy gun fuck grabbing his daddy's AR-15 and blowing away my kids. Nothing major, just that basic freedom.

(My kids' HS was on lock-down a couple of year ago because a kid brought a gun to school. Don't need that shit.)

The chances of your kid being killed in school is roughly 1 in 2.5 million.

You can live your life in fear of that if you want.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2016-02-22, 15:41

The_Dude wrote:
Vlad wrote:

The freedom of sending my kids to school without worrying about some crazy gun fuck grabbing his daddy's AR-15 and blowing away my kids. Nothing major, just that basic freedom.

(My kids' HS was on lock-down a couple of year ago because a kid brought a gun to school. Don't need that shit.)

The chances of your kid being killed in school is roughly 1 in 2.5 million.

You can live your life in fear of that if you want.

what's my chances of being killed by a Syrian refugee?

by **The_Dude** 2016-02-22, 15:42

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
Vlad wrote:

That's right Bob. Arm yourself if you want to live in peace.
it is kind of odd how the folks who claim to enjoy freedom, peace, etc. seem to be the most paranoid, hate-filled people around.

Seems like the gun grabbers tend to be the most paranoid...ya know? They tend to live in fear and paranoia that a guy with a gun is going to shoot them up. You can live your life in fear and paranoia..I choose not to.

by **xsanguine** 2016-02-22, 15:42

Rocinante wrote:
xsanguine wrote:

I have some fears, though. How do we determine "mentally ill"? Because you have anxiety and take Xanax?

I just haven't seen any specifics on how we determine this or how it would be determined.

I have a 5 point plan. It includes checks and balances and the ability to appeal a diagnosis. It also includes a way to get off the list once you are on it. Like when you get "better". It's part of my platform so I don't want to reveal too much.

Hah, fair enough.

by **I.B. Fine** 2016-02-22, 15:43

The_Dude wrote:
Vlad wrote:

The freedom of sending my kids to school without worrying about some crazy gun fuck grabbing his daddy's AR-15 and blowing away my kids. Nothing major, just that basic freedom.

(My kids' HS was on lock-down a couple of year ago because a kid brought a gun to school. Don't need that shit.)

The chances of your kid being killed in school is roughly 1 in 2.5 million.

You can live your life in fear of that if you want.

The odds of becoming a lightning victim in the U.S. in any one year is 1 in 700,000. The odds of being struck in your lifetime is 1 in 3,000.

Ban lightning!

by **Rocinante** 2016-02-22, 15:43

I.B. Fine wrote:
The_Dude wrote:

The chances of your kid being killed in school is roughly 1 in 2.5 million.

You can live your life in fear of that if you want.

The odds of becoming a lightning victim in the U.S. in any one year is 1 in 700,000. The odds of being struck in your lifetime is 1 in 3,000.

Ban lightning!

Ban Cancer!

by **The_Dude** 2016-02-22, 15:45

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
The_Dude wrote:

The chances of your kid being killed in school is roughly 1 in 2.5 million.

You can live your life in fear of that if you want.
what's my chances of being killed by a Syrian refugee?

I don't know. Does the FBI have crime statistics for Syrians refugees? Too lazy to look it up.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2016-02-22, 15:45

The_Dude wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:it is kind of odd how the folks who claim to enjoy freedom, peace, etc. seem to be the most paranoid, hate-filled people around.

Seems like the gun grabbers tend to be the most paranoid...ya know? They tend to live in fear and paranoia that a guy with a gun is going to shoot them up. You can live your life in fear and paranoia..I choose not to.

that's a good point.

I'm so paranoid and afraid that I choose to leave my house unarmed.

by **The_Dude** 2016-02-22, 15:47

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
The_Dude wrote:

Seems like the gun grabbers tend to be the most paranoid...ya know? They tend to live in fear and paranoia that a guy with a gun is going to shoot them up. You can live your life in fear and paranoia..I choose not to.
that's a good point.

I'm so paranoid and afraid that I choose to leave my house unarmed.

Vlad says he's nervous anytime his kids go to school.

Personally..I'm nervous around brown people..ya know?

by **I.B. Fine** 2016-02-22, 15:47

Rocinante wrote:
I.B. Fine wrote:

Ban lightning!

Ban Cancer!

I'm all for that. Maybe we can shoot it!

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2016-02-22, 15:48

The_Dude wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:what's my chances of being killed by a Syrian refugee?

I don't know. Does the FBI have crime statistics for Syrians refugees? Too lazy to look it up.

clearly our children have a higher chance of being killed by a Syrian refugee, right? Or else your presidential candidate wouldn't want to ban them from America.

unless, of course, you're just a bigot.

by **Rocinante** 2016-02-22, 15:48

I.B. Fine wrote:
Rocinante wrote:

Ban Cancer!
I'm all for that. Maybe we can shoot it!

Shoot all the cars! They cause accidents!!

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2016-02-22, 15:48

The_Dude wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:that's a good point.

I'm so paranoid and afraid that I choose to leave my house unarmed.

Vlad says he's nervous anytime his kids go to school.

Personally..I'm nervous around brown people..ya know?

I can tell.

by **The_Dude** 2016-02-22, 15:48

xsanguine wrote:
Rocinante wrote:

Holy Crap. We agreed on Something.

I have some fears, though. How do we determine "mentally ill"? Because you have anxiety and take Xanax?

I just haven't seen any specifics on how we determine this or how it would be determined.

Well, if the left had their way...they'd appoint lifelong know nothing bureaucrats to make those decisions for everyone.

by **Robert J Sakimano** 2016-02-22, 15:49

you know republicans are losing the argument when they liken a person deliberately murdering US citizens to someone getting struck by lighting or dying in a car accident.

by **Rocinante** 2016-02-22, 15:51

The_Dude wrote:
xsanguine wrote:

I have some fears, though. How do we determine "mentally ill"? Because you have anxiety and take Xanax?

I just haven't seen any specifics on how we determine this or how it would be determined.

Well, if the left had their way...they'd appoint lifelong know nothing bureaucrats to make those decisions for everyone.

Except... y'know...

Good for the Sandy Hook families! - Page 5 Publicsept2014

by **xsanguine** 2016-02-22, 15:55

The_Dude wrote:
xsanguine wrote:

I have some fears, though. How do we determine "mentally ill"? Because you have anxiety and take Xanax?

I just haven't seen any specifics on how we determine this or how it would be determined.

Well, if the left had their way...they'd appoint lifelong know nothing bureaucrats to make those decisions for everyone.

The 2nd amendment has already wiped the ass of every statist authoritarian. Next up is the 1st amendment... And my former colleagues on the left have just started that fight within the last 5 years.

Trigger warnings, micro aggressions, etc is just the start. Maybe the next justice will surprise us but I doubt it.

by **xsanguine** 2016-02-22, 16:03

Vlad is right in this sense. The hard work and lives lost in the 18th century to create what we have is being dismantled piece by piece. Which is why people view this "mental health" thing with suspcicion because we know what that leads to. It will be an eventual prohibition on firearms except for military and police.

The fight against the 1st amendment has just started but we'll go the way of more authoritarian countries there, also.

It was an interesting experiment but unfortunately this is how a democracy or in our case a representative democracy turns out; Tyranny of the majority.

If there's 3 people in a room and one of them is Bill Gates... And they vote 2-1 to take Bill Gates money, that's what we have. It's majority authoritarianism; Majoritarian.

by **The_Dude** 2016-02-22, 16:11

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
The_Dude wrote:

I don't know. Does the FBI have crime statistics for Syrians refugees? Too lazy to look it up.

clearly our children have a higher chance of being killed by a Syrian refugee, right? Or else your presidential candidate wouldn't want to ban them from America.

unless, of course, you're just a bigot.

Doesn't seen that simple. We should control and know who's coming into our country. Government can't control Americans being born in America right?

by **duffy munn** 2016-02-22, 16:41

The_Dude wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:that's a good point.

I'm so paranoid and afraid that I choose to leave my house unarmed.

Personally..I'm nervous around brown people..ya know?

We all know this. Ya know, it's almost refreshing that you don't even try to hide the fact that you are a racist.

( waiting for you to respond you have a black friend )

by **xsanguine** 2016-02-22, 16:52

duffy munn wrote:
The_Dude wrote:

Personally..I'm nervous around brown people..ya know?

We all know this. Ya know, it's almost refreshing that you don't even try to hide the fact that you are a racist.

( waiting for you to respond you have a black friend )

Being nervous around brown people is not "racist". It's certainly prejudiced... But let's not start applying words with a far vitriolic meaning to things they don't represent.

Racist would be he feels nervous around brown people because he feels they an inferior people because of their race.

by **The_Dude** 2016-02-22, 16:54

duffy munn wrote:
The_Dude wrote:

Personally..I'm nervous around brown people..ya know?

We all know this. Ya know, it's almost refreshing that you don't even try to hide the fact that you are a racist.

( waiting for you to respond you have a black friend )

Good for the Sandy Hook families! - Page 5 Hook

by **NigelUno** 2016-02-22, 17:14

duffy munn wrote:
The_Dude wrote:

Personally..I'm nervous around brown people..ya know?

We all know this. Ya know, it's almost refreshing that you don't even try to hide the fact that you are a racist.

( waiting for you to respond you have a black friend )

Desmond Howard.

by **The_Dude** 2016-02-22, 17:19

I will say one thing...its great to have a place where Spartans can discuss freely and without censorship whatever is on their mind. cheers

by **Vlad** 2016-02-22, 17:25

xsanguine wrote:
duffy munn wrote:

We all know this. Ya know, it's almost refreshing that you don't even try to hide the fact that you are a racist.

( waiting for you to respond you have a black friend )

Being nervous around brown people is not "racist". It's certainly prejudiced... But let's not start applying words with a far vitriolic meaning to things they don't represent.

Racist would be he feels nervous around brown people because he feels they an inferior peoplebecause of their race.

Or superior people, as in my case.

by **xsanguine** 2016-02-22, 17:30

Vlad wrote:
xsanguine wrote:

Being nervous around brown people is not "racist". It's certainly prejudiced... But let's not start applying words with a far vitriolic meaning to things they don't represent.

Racist would be he feels nervous around brown people because he feels they an inferior peoplebecause of their race.

Or superior people, as in my case.

You're nervous around brown people because you feel they are superior to you?

I guess that would still fit within the definition, I guess. The word racism typically refers to the feeling that a people are inferior to you based on their race.... But there's been a huge push to change that definition to mean certain things to fit an agenda.

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