The 2020 Presidential campaign.

Rocinante wrote:

NigelUno wrote:

What woman beat Trump? His first wife?

I mean. Probably. But depending on your metric, Hillary did.

At the end of the game you look at the (electoral) scoreboard, not who gained the most yards.

So, she didn't.

Careful, Roc, you're on the verge of arguing semantics with Nigel. Take it any farther and you'll need to clear your calendar.

I wish Bob, steve, and Nigel would post less and Roc, Travis, and Turtleneck would post more...

Cameron wrote:I wish Bob, steve, and Nigel would post less and Roc, Travis, and Turtleneck would post more...

You got it man. I’ll post more.

Cameron wrote:I wish Bob, steve, and Nigel would post less and Roc, Travis, and Turtleneck would post more...

I think you can block folks that hurt your feelings or don't live up to your posting standards.. not real sure how that works, though.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

Cameron wrote:

But you're on the record as hoping Biden, another white guy, takes down Bernie, so surely you must have something specific in mind, because it's definitely not possible that maybe the mainstream media has influenced your opinion of Bernie. We all know you're above that...

I don't think Biden is as big of an arrogant prick as Bernie.

and, yes, I don't pay attention to the mainstream media.. unless it's me pointing out how incredibly misinformed people who do pay attention to the mainstream media are.

You pay more attention to the mainstream media, and do more to make them money, than anyone here by far.

Bernie last week promised that his running mate wouldn't be "an old white guy". I heard that, I thought he was speaking right to you, Bob, with your racism and sexism that you often tout.

steveschneider wrote:

Cameron wrote:I wish Bob, steve, and Nigel would post less and Roc, Travis, and Turtleneck would post more...

You got it man. I’ll post more.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

Cameron wrote:I wish Bob, steve, and Nigel would post less and Roc, Travis, and Turtleneck would post more...

I think you can block folks that hurt your feelings or don't live up to your posting standards.. not real sure how that works, though.

I'm not sufficiently perturbed to block people over it. Mostly what I'm pining for is discussion about who the best nominee is that goes deeper than bitching about Bernie Bros and personal impressions of the candidates' various personality shortcomings.

Miami is another poster whose posts I wish comprised a larger percentage of tBin.

MiamiSpartan wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
I don't think Biden is as big of an arrogant prick as Bernie.

and, yes, I don't pay attention to the mainstream media.. unless it's me pointing out how incredibly misinformed people who do pay attention to the mainstream media are.

You pay more attention to the mainstream media, and do more to make them money, than anyone here by far.

Bernie last week promised that his running mate wouldn't be "an old white guy". I heard that, I thought he was speaking right to you, Bob, with your racism and sexism that you often tout.

I didn't know Bernie said that.

you know why?

'cause I don't watch the mainstream media.

Cameron wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
I think you can block folks that hurt your feelings or don't live up to your posting standards.. not real sure how that works, though.

I'm not sufficiently perturbed to block people over it. Mostly what I'm pining for is discussion about who the best nominee is that goes deeper than bitching about Bernie Bros and personal impressions of the candidates' various personality shortcomings.

Miami is another poster whose posts I wish comprised a larger percentage of tBin.

he, like everyone here, is a great American.

NigelUno wrote:

Rocinante wrote:

I mean. Probably. But depending on your metric, Hillary did.

At the end of the game you look at the (electoral) scoreboard, not who gained the most yards.

So, she didn't.

Thanks Nigel. I’m aware of who the president is.

Cameron wrote:Careful, Roc, you're on the verge of arguing semantics with Nigel. Take it any farther and you'll need to clear your calendar.

Semantics?

Hillary "won".

NigelUno wrote:

Cameron wrote:Careful, Roc, you're on the verge of arguing semantics with Nigel. Take it any farther and you'll need to clear your calendar.

Semantics?

Hillary "won".

The point, Nigel, is that you and everyone else here knew exactly what he was referring to, but you sensed a technicality that you could score points on.

I never said Hillary won, Nigel. I said she beat him.

IN YOUR FACE!!!!!

Rocinante wrote:I never said Hillary won, Nigel. I said she beat him.

IN YOUR FACE!!!!!

beatin' up on Nigel is more fun than arguing about Bernie/Biden/Warren et al.

Cameron wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote: disliking someone because they're an arrogant prick and a misogynist is totally logical where I come from..

vote for who you want.. that's what I say.

The illogical part is not disliking Bernie. The illogical part is not voting for a candidate whose policies check off more of your boxes because you dislike that candidate personally.

Frankly, I suspect they're all dislikable people on a personal level. You mention arrogance as well, and I think they're all breathtakingly arrogant. Honestly, Warren might be the most arrogant one left, now that Pete dropped out.

I like Bernie, but I'm with Bob here (did I just say that?) on the policies vs personal part. I'd rather disagree with a candidates politics, but believe in their honesty and integrity, than agree with someone's policies and think they're a piece of shit.

So much of policies, when it comes to a presidential race, is just a lot of bullshit anyway. Bernie wouldn't go walking into the white house and make this a socialist country. He wouldn't give free healthcare to everyone, blah, blah, blah. A President doesn't have that much power by himself/herself.

Give me a president, regardless of political beliefs, but that is honest and trustworthy. Fuck the politics of it, just get a good, honest person in there that just wants to help the country, rather than care only about the donars, lobbyists, and his own personal agenda. I know, that's too much to ask of politicians, but some are better than others. I don't see what's illogical about wanting a good, honest person running this country.

Hence...Oprah

MiamiSpartan wrote:

Cameron wrote:

The illogical part is not disliking Bernie. The illogical part is not voting for a candidate whose policies check off more of your boxes because you dislike that candidate personally.

Frankly, I suspect they're all dislikable people on a personal level. You mention arrogance as well, and I think they're all breathtakingly arrogant. Honestly, Warren might be the most arrogant one left, now that Pete dropped out.

I like Bernie, but I'm with Bob here (did I just say that?) on the policies vs personal part.  I'd rather disagree with a candidates politics, but believe in their honesty and integrity, than agree with someone's policies and think they're a piece of shit.  

So much of policies, when it comes to a presidential race, is just a lot of bullshit anyway.  Bernie wouldn't go walking into the white house and make this a socialist country.  He wouldn't give free healthcare to everyone, blah, blah, blah.  A President doesn't have that much power by himself/herself.  

Give me a president, regardless of political beliefs, but that is honest and trustworthy.  Fuck the politics of it, just get a good, honest person in there that just wants to help the country, rather than care only about the donars, lobbyists, and his own personal agenda.  I know, that's too much to ask of politicians, but some are better than others.  I don't see what's illogical about wanting a good, honest person running this country.

yep - anyone who thinks that any of this stuff they're all promising is gonna get done, I have an ocean front bridge to sell you.

I just would like to get back to a time where we can be proud of our country, proud of our leader, his/her family, not be embarrassed everything a pathetic piece of christian scum opens his mouth.

my wife and I were so fortunate to raise our daughter during the Obama years. I can't imagine having to raise a child in this current climate where immorality, corruption, crime, racism, bigotry, white supremacy and misogyny are celebrated.

anyway - I agree with you, Mr Miami.

(though I'll never know how you live down there in all that heat with the sand and old people).

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

MiamiSpartan wrote:
You pay more attention to the mainstream media, and do more to make them money, than anyone here by far.

Bernie last week promised that his running mate wouldn't be "an old white guy". I heard that, I thought he was speaking right to you, Bob, with your racism and sexism that you often tout.

I didn't know Bernie said that.

you know why?

'cause I don't watch the mainstream media.

I forgot, you only read FoxNews, and the one in every 20 articles from other mainstream media that is pro-Trump.

MiamiSpartan wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:I didn't know Bernie said that.

you know why?

'cause I don't watch the mainstream media.

I forgot, you only read FoxNews, and the one in every 20 articles from other mainstream media that is pro-Trump.

you're welcome.

apparently Klobuchar dropped out so we can stop arguing about her now.

MiamiSpartan wrote:

Cameron wrote:

The illogical part is not disliking Bernie. The illogical part is not voting for a candidate whose policies check off more of your boxes because you dislike that candidate personally.

Frankly, I suspect they're all dislikable people on a personal level. You mention arrogance as well, and I think they're all breathtakingly arrogant. Honestly, Warren might be the most arrogant one left, now that Pete dropped out.

I like Bernie, but I'm with Bob here (did I just say that?) on the policies vs personal part.  I'd rather disagree with a candidates politics, but believe in their honesty and integrity, than agree with someone's policies and think they're a piece of shit.  

So much of policies, when it comes to a presidential race, is just a lot of bullshit anyway.  Bernie wouldn't go walking into the white house and make this a socialist country.  He wouldn't give free healthcare to everyone, blah, blah, blah.  A President doesn't have that much power by himself/herself.  

Give me a president, regardless of political beliefs, but that is honest and trustworthy.  Fuck the politics of it, just get a good, honest person in there that just wants to help the country, rather than care only about the donars, lobbyists, and his own personal agenda.  I know, that's too much to ask of politicians, but some are better than others.  I don't see what's illogical about wanting a good, honest person running this country.

Well, for my part, I think Bernie is honest and trustworthy, at least by politician standards. And I certainly don't think any other candidate can credibly claim to be less beholden to donors, lobbyists, and special interests than Bernie.

I get the trustworthy piece of the equation, it does no good to like a candidate's policies if you don't trust them to actually govern that way. But I feel like that's a distinct and discreet personality trait that is not necessarily tied to likability. I think it's possible to trust the honesty of someone you don't like at all.

If anything, Bernie's "unlikability" is sort of evidence of his integrity. Bernie doesn't just say what he thinks people want to hear, he says what he believes, even when that's "Castro did good things for Cuba's literacy."

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

MiamiSpartan wrote:
I like Bernie, but I'm with Bob here (did I just say that?) on the policies vs personal part.  I'd rather disagree with a candidates politics, but believe in their honesty and integrity, than agree with someone's policies and think they're a piece of shit.  

So much of policies, when it comes to a presidential race, is just a lot of bullshit anyway.  Bernie wouldn't go walking into the white house and make this a socialist country.  He wouldn't give free healthcare to everyone, blah, blah, blah.  A President doesn't have that much power by himself/herself.  

Give me a president, regardless of political beliefs, but that is honest and trustworthy.  Fuck the politics of it, just get a good, honest person in there that just wants to help the country, rather than care only about the donars, lobbyists, and his own personal agenda.  I know, that's too much to ask of politicians, but some are better than others.  I don't see what's illogical about wanting a good, honest person running this country.

yep - anyone who thinks that any of this stuff they're all promising is gonna get done, I have an ocean front bridge to sell you.

I just would like to get back to a time where we can be proud of our country, proud of our leader, his/her family, not be embarrassed everything a pathetic piece of christian scum opens his mouth.

my wife and I were so fortunate to raise our daughter during the Obama years. I can't imagine having to raise a child in this current climate where immorality, corruption, crime, racism, bigotry, white supremacy and misogyny are celebrated.

anyway - I agree with you, Mr Miami.

(though I'll never know how you live down there in all that heat with the sand and old people).

None of this surprises me. You're not a real progressive, Bob, and that's fine. You and your family are comfortable, and you just want a return to the status quo, where the machine keeps grinding, but all the politicians pay lip service to the veneer of civility that we all love so much. You should have been on Biden all along, but I know you want to make your wife proud by supporting a woman, so you do you.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:apparently Klobuchar dropped out so we can stop arguing about her now.

At the rate the dem candidates are dropping out there aren't going to be any come election day.

Maybe Hillary will jump in and save us, Jake. Would you like that?

Robert J Sakimano wrote:apparently Klobuchar dropped out so we can stop arguing about her now.

Plans to endorse Biden per NYT.

Rocinante wrote:Maybe Hillary will jump in and save us, Jake. Would you like that?

Meh, couldn't be any worse than what's in office now.

Jake from State Farm wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:apparently Klobuchar dropped out so we can stop arguing about her now.

At the rate the dem candidates are dropping out there aren't going to be any come election day.

By all indications, Warren is in it for the long haul. She has performed objectively worse than Pete, who saw the clear writing on the wall, but she's gonna keep going. The cynical part of me (which is most of me) thinks she's only doing it to hurt Bernie's chances. I mean, does she really think she can take it to a contested convention and be the unity candidate if she can't win a single state? Bernie is polling ahead of her in MA, last I checked.

There was, before SC, some funky math out there that still had her with a path. I believe it requires her to start performing better ASAP or she would lose that path. I think she’s hoping for debate bumps, but they don’t seem to be showing up. She has been debating her ass off in the last couple though. I don’t know how that calculation had changed, but I suspect without a strong Super Tuesday performance, she’s out too. Bloomberg’s dumbass hopefully goes soon. Then it’s Bernie and Biden, as was the thought back in the beginning. Should be fun.

Cameron wrote:

MiamiSpartan wrote:
I like Bernie, but I'm with Bob here (did I just say that?) on the policies vs personal part.  I'd rather disagree with a candidates politics, but believe in their honesty and integrity, than agree with someone's policies and think they're a piece of shit.  

So much of policies, when it comes to a presidential race, is just a lot of bullshit anyway.  Bernie wouldn't go walking into the white house and make this a socialist country.  He wouldn't give free healthcare to everyone, blah, blah, blah.  A President doesn't have that much power by himself/herself.  

Give me a president, regardless of political beliefs, but that is honest and trustworthy.  Fuck the politics of it, just get a good, honest person in there that just wants to help the country, rather than care only about the donars, lobbyists, and his own personal agenda.  I know, that's too much to ask of politicians, but some are better than others.  I don't see what's illogical about wanting a good, honest person running this country.

Well, for my part, I think Bernie is honest and trustworthy, at least by politician standards. And I certainly don't think any other candidate can credibly claim to be less beholden to donors, lobbyists, and special interests than Bernie.

I get the trustworthy piece of the equation, it does no good to like a candidate's policies if you don't trust them to actually govern that way. But I feel like that's a distinct and discreet personality trait that is not necessarily tied to likability. I think it's possible to trust the honesty of someone you don't like at all.

If anything, Bernie's "unlikability" is sort of evidence of his integrity. Bernie doesn't just say what he thinks people want to hear, he says what he believes, even when that's "Castro did good things for Cuba's literacy."

I agree Bernie is pretty honest. That's why I like him, and would probably prefer him over any others, despite not being a huge fan of his politics.

I felt that Kloubachar is pretty genuine, though that's from a fairly limited sample size of seeing/hearing her, so maybe she's just good at portraying that. She might make a good running mate for Bernie if he gets the nom, as a moderate to give the ticket a little balance.

Floyd Robertson wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:apparently Klobuchar dropped out so we can stop arguing about her now.

Plans to endorse Biden per NYT.

I've never understood the endorsement thing..

can you imagine voting for someone because someone else said "well, this is who I'm supporting and, therefore, I think you should, too"..

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

Floyd Robertson wrote:

Plans to endorse Biden per NYT.

I've never understood the endorsement thing..

can you imagine voting for someone because someone else said "well, this is who I'm supporting and, therefore, I think you should, too"..

I don't get it either, but apparently it's a real, significant thing. I think I saw somewhere that SC exit polls indicated around 40% of the voters said Clyburn's endorsement factored into their choice.

Cameron wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote: I've never understood the endorsement thing..

can you imagine voting for someone because someone else said "well, this is who I'm supporting and, therefore, I think you should, too"..

I don't get it either, but apparently it's a real, significant thing. I think I saw somewhere that SC exit polls indicated around 40% of the voters said Clyburn's endorsement factored into their choice.

I guess so. It might give a certain candidate more credibility in the eyes of some.. ya know, if his peers publicly support him - but I can't imagine the fact that Klobuchar endorsing Biden is gonna suddenly put a wind at his back going into Super Tuesday.

Floyd Robertson wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:apparently Klobuchar dropped out so we can stop arguing about her now.

Plans to endorse Biden per NYT.

The other two moderates both drop out (or three if you count Steyer), so their voters are likely to primarily go to Biden, endorsement or not. I thought Klobuchar might stick it out through Super Tuesday since her home state's primary is tomorrow, so I think there were some negotiations going on, as this probably gives another state to Biden tomorrow.

I was low when I said 40%, Reuters says 61%.

Klobuchar supporters turning around their minivan to vote for Biden..

MiamiSpartan wrote:

Floyd Robertson wrote:

Plans to endorse Biden per NYT.

The other two moderates both drop out (or three if you count Steyer), so their voters are likely to primarily go to Biden, endorsement or not. I thought Klobuchar might stick it out through Super Tuesday since her home state's primary is tomorrow, so I think there were some negotiations going on, as this probably gives another state to Biden tomorrow.

She might be angling for the VP slot.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:Klobuchar supporters turning around their minivan to vote for Biden..

I voted absentee for her. How do I get my ballot back?

Floyd Robertson wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:Klobuchar supporters turning around their minivan to vote for Biden..

I voted absentee for her. How do I get my ballot back?

I heard something earlier today that you can do that in Michigan. I have no idea how nor am I going to do your googling for you Floyd but you can dig into it if you want.

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

Floyd Robertson wrote:

I voted absentee for her. How do I get my ballot back?

I heard something earlier today that you can do that in Michigan. I have no idea how nor am I going to do your googling for you Floyd but you can dig into it if you want.

Thanks, Travis. Even I'm too lazy to do it.