Israel war

by sεяεηιτλ Sun 8 Oct 2023 - 0:31

Netanyahu is either a lucky bastard or this was some how allowed to happen. Nothing unifies a country after the destruction of their judicial system quite like an imminent existential threat to your existence.

by **Trapper Gus** Sun 8 Oct 2023 - 11:39

The timing is fortuitous for the want-a-be dictator but really don't see, other than knowing an attack was imminent, how he could have triggered it.

by sεяεηιτλ Sun 8 Oct 2023 - 12:48

Trapper Gus wrote:The timing is fortuitous for the want-a-be dictator but really don't see, other than knowing an attack was imminent, how he could have triggered it.

by **Robert J Sakimano** Sun 8 Oct 2023 - 15:13

Be interesting to know whether any of the classified documents at the Mar-O-Lago Truck Stop and Massage Parlor were involved in this, via Russia/Iran.

by **kingstonlake** Sun 8 Oct 2023 - 15:42

Man, this is gonna get bad. Some of the videos are horrible.

by **GRR Spartan** Sun 8 Oct 2023 - 17:11

Iranians shouldn’t get too comfortable.

Those missiles, especially the ones Hezbollah fired from Lebanon into Tel Aviv didn’t come from the tooth fairy.

by **kingstonlake** Sun 8 Oct 2023 - 18:28

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12608531/amp/Iran-helped-plan-Hamas-surprise-attack-Israel-gave-green-light-meeting-Monday.html

by Zurn Mon 9 Oct 2023 - 9:01

Bad optics for Biden to have released $6 billion dollars to Iran (I know, I know, for humanitarian purposes) a couple weeks before we learn that Iran greenlighted the Hamas attack.

by **Motown Spartan** Mon 9 Oct 2023 - 9:07

Bad optics for Republicans to purposefully weaken the military and intelligence capabilities of the United States (I know, I know, the dems are tryna take muh guns) leading to a direct attack on one of our closest allies.

by **InTenSity** Mon 9 Oct 2023 - 9:17

Zurn wrote:Bad optics for Biden to have released $6 billion dollars to Iran (I know, I know, for humanitarian purposes) a couple weeks before we learn that Iran greenlighted the Hamas attack.

$6 Billion to Iran hasn't been touched
There are plenty of articles out there stating that the money is still sitting in Qatar untouched. But republican's can't scare anyone if they actually used the truth, and by the time its corrected their followers won't pay attention because they don't get their news from those sites.

by **Rocinante** Fri 13 Oct 2023 - 18:20

It is not incongruous to both be appalled by what Hamas did and state unequivocally that what Israel is now doing will not bring peace. Only ending apartheid and occupation can do that. I don’t think being hard hearted to human suffering is a requirement of being a supporter of the Jewish people.

by AvgMSUJoe Fri 13 Oct 2023 - 22:14

There is no answer to this... go back in time a shoot Hitler as a child?

by **Travis of the Cosmos** Sun 15 Oct 2023 - 6:20

Do people (people being defined broadly as those you see on social media, celebrities, most of the dumber members of Congress) think that not blindly supporting Israeli right wing autocrats makes you anti semitic or something? I don’t think that all of those people just hate Palestinians. Or, maybe they think that every story needs to have a good guy and a bad guy and they have to think of things in those terms in order to understand it.

To me it’s obvious that it’s ok to acknowledge that what hamas did was bad while also recognizing that murdering children, civilians, and genocide in general is not an acceptable response

by **steveschneider** Sun 15 Oct 2023 - 7:45

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:Do people (people being defined broadly as those you see on social media, celebrities, most of the dumber members of Congress) think that not blindly supporting Israeli right wing autocrats makes you anti semitic or something? I don’t think that all of those people just hate Palestinians. Or, maybe they think that every story needs to have a good guy and a bad guy and they have to think of things in those terms in order to understand it.

To me it’s obvious that it’s ok to acknowledge that what hamas did was bad while also recognizing that murdering children, civilians, and genocide in general is not an acceptable response

Genocide? The population of the Palestinians in Israel has been growing. A swing and a miss.

by **Travis of the Cosmos** Sun 15 Oct 2023 - 8:30

steveschneider wrote:
Travis of the Cosmos wrote:Do people (people being defined broadly as those you see on social media, celebrities, most of the dumber members of Congress) think that not blindly supporting Israeli right wing autocrats makes you anti semitic or something? I don’t think that all of those people just hate Palestinians. Or, maybe they think that every story needs to have a good guy and a bad guy and they have to think of things in those terms in order to understand it.

To me it’s obvious that it’s ok to acknowledge that what hamas did was bad while also recognizing that murdering children, civilians, and genocide in general is not an acceptable response

Genocide? The population of the Palestinians in Israel has been growing. A swing and a miss.

You’d do well to avoid this thread.

by **Motown Spartan** Sun 15 Oct 2023 - 9:05

steveschneider wrote:
Travis of the Cosmos wrote:Do people (people being defined broadly as those you see on social media, celebrities, most of the dumber members of Congress) think that not blindly supporting Israeli right wing autocrats makes you anti semitic or something? I don’t think that all of those people just hate Palestinians. Or, maybe they think that every story needs to have a good guy and a bad guy and they have to think of things in those terms in order to understand it.

To me it’s obvious that it’s ok to acknowledge that what hamas did was bad while also recognizing that murdering children, civilians, and genocide in general is not an acceptable response

Genocide? The population of the Palestinians in Israel has been growing. A swing and a miss.

The dumb is strong with this one.

by sεяεηιτλ Sun 15 Oct 2023 - 10:30

steveschneider wrote:
Travis of the Cosmos wrote:Do people (people being defined broadly as those you see on social media, celebrities, most of the dumber members of Congress) think that not blindly supporting Israeli right wing autocrats makes you anti semitic or something? I don’t think that all of those people just hate Palestinians. Or, maybe they think that every story needs to have a good guy and a bad guy and they have to think of things in those terms in order to understand it.

To me it’s obvious that it’s ok to acknowledge that what hamas did was bad while also recognizing that murdering children, civilians, and genocide in general is not an acceptable response

Genocide? The population of the Palestinians in Israel has been growing. A swing and a miss.

what does that have to do with anything that's going on?

by **Trapper Gus** Sun 15 Oct 2023 - 10:55

In Haifa and Jaffa, joint Jewish and Arab patrols seek to prevent violence on both sides. In the south, Bedouin residents risk their lives to search for victims of Hamas terror. In the shadow of war, Arab-Jewish solidarity initiatives emerge

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/10/14/2199325/-Ha-aretz-Across-Israel-Jews-and-Arabs-Join-Forces-to-Help-War-Victims-and-Prevent-Riots

by **GRR Spartan** Sun 15 Oct 2023 - 22:11

It’s a mess.

Arafat led PLO went from win at all costs to negotiation. Oslo Accords changed that. Gaza became self governed and when the PLO was winning elections its was a tenuous peace but Arafat had show negotiation with Israel was possible.

Arafat dies, Gaza voters started electing more radical Hamas than PLO candidates.

Hamas supported by Iran and they haven’t been pleased about Egypt and Jordan recognizing Israel for decades. More recently the UAE, Bahrain, Morocco and Sudan have recognized Israel. Worse for Iran, Saudi Arabia has started to have talks with Israel.

Israel screwed the pooch from an intel standpoint. Somehow they missed training, munitions and equipment sales/transfers to Hezbollah that has Hamas support.

This is more than Israel hitting back. It’s hitting back from a massive unexpected sucker punch that’s shaken Netanyahu and his coalition government to its core. So they have no compunction to force approx 1M Gaza residents out and level portions of Gaza.

Before it’s over that condemnation of Hezbollah and Hamas will spill over to their backer, the Iranian government that’s already unstable.

Before it’s over I don’t think Iran will go unscathed

by Spartytruth Mon 16 Oct 2023 - 8:49

sεяεηιτλ wrote:Netanyahu is either a lucky bastard or this was some how allowed to happen. Nothing unifies a country after the destruction of their judicial system quite like an imminent existential threat to your existence.

this is a pretty bad take

by **Floyd Robertson** Mon 16 Oct 2023 - 9:53

Amid Gaza war, Dearborn police arrest man for threat to 'hunt Palestinians'

Carl Mintz is a fine American. Rolling Eyes

The Facebook post in question asked: "Anyone in the Metro Detroit area want to go to Dearborn & hunt Palestinians?" The Facebook page is full of posts featuring Confederate flags, gun memes and support for Russia amid that country's invasion of and war against Ukraine.

by **kingstonlake** Tue 17 Oct 2023 - 14:42

Ruh Roh

Hospital in Gaza City hit with a rocket strike. Reports of 200-300 dead

Obvious speculation of it being a IDF strike or failed Hamas launch.

by **InTenSity** Tue 17 Oct 2023 - 14:49

kingstonlake wrote:Ruh Roh

Hospital in Gaza City hit with a rocket strike. Reports of 200-300 dead

Obvious speculation of it being a IDF strike or failed Hamas launch.

Because twitter is super accurate. I'm reading it was Hamas who misfired rockets.
How is there even going to be any type of humane way out of this?

by **kingstonlake** Tue 17 Oct 2023 - 14:54

InTenSity wrote:
kingstonlake wrote:Ruh Roh

Hospital in Gaza City hit with a rocket strike. Reports of 200-300 dead

Obvious speculation of it being a IDF strike or failed Hamas launch.
Because twitter is super accurate. I'm reading it was Hamas who misfired rockets.
How is there even going to be any type of humane way out of this?

Not sure what Israel end game is on a ground invasion.

by **Robert J Sakimano** Tue 17 Oct 2023 - 14:57

kingstonlake wrote:Ruh Roh

Hospital in Gaza City hit with a rocket strike. Reports of 200-300 dead

Obvious speculation of it being a IDF strike or failed Hamas launch.

yeah, as Intensity said, conflicting reports on who fired the rocket. It's unfortunate that we don't know who to believe, who to even trust for accuracy in reporting.

I'm also not 100% comfortable with Joe Biden being over there, either.

by **kingstonlake** Tue 17 Oct 2023 - 15:37

Mahmoud Abbas (President of Palestinian authority) pulls out of meeting with Biden.

by **Robert J Sakimano** Tue 17 Oct 2023 - 15:52

reading that the Israeli embassy in the country of Jordan is on fire.

by **kingstonlake** Tue 17 Oct 2023 - 16:02

Now saying 500 dead.

by **Trapper Gus** Tue 17 Oct 2023 - 18:49

This is going to become bloody...

Just another example of why a belief in a God is insane

by **Robert J Sakimano** Tue 17 Oct 2023 - 19:10

Trapper Gus wrote:This is going to become bloody...

Just another example of why a belief in a God is insane

if you took religion out of the equation, there would be no 9/11, no war in the Middle East, no January 6th, etc.

And, go back a couple of thousand years.

by AvgMSUJoe Tue 17 Oct 2023 - 20:00

I think this is a simple land dispute as much as it is religion. Israel got it, Palestinians wanted it back. Israel kicked the ever living crap out of them and locked them in a corner. Fester for decades... and here we are.

by **Trapper Gus** Tue 17 Oct 2023 - 21:56

AvgMSUJoe wrote:I think this is a simple land dispute as much as it is religion. Israel got it, Palestinians wanted it back. Israel kicked the ever living crap out of them and locked them in a corner. Fester for decades... and here we are.

In one narrative you are correct.

However, a narrative with greater power is the Jewish verses Islamic one regarding "God" giving each sect this land as "holy land"

When people are fighting for the basis of reality they will do and justify any action.

by sεяεηιτλ Tue 17 Oct 2023 - 23:14

Trapper Gus wrote:
AvgMSUJoe wrote:I think this is a simple land dispute as much as it is religion. Israel got it, Palestinians wanted it back. Israel kicked the ever living crap out of them and locked them in a corner. Fester for decades... and here we are.

In one narrative you are correct.

However, a narrative with greater power is the Jewish verses Islamic one regarding "God" giving each sect this land as "holy land"

When people are fighting for the basis of reality they will do and justify any action.

meh, the further you go back the more cultures have a claim on this land. The region was invaded and taken over and held seemingly dozens of times. And IIRC, the arabic cultures were the outsiders that came late to the party, relatively speaking.

by **Trapper Gus** Wed 18 Oct 2023 - 1:04

sεяεηιτλ wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:

In one narrative you are correct.

However, a narrative with greater power is the Jewish verses Islamic one regarding "God" giving each sect this land as "holy land"

When people are fighting for the basis of reality they will do and justify any action.
meh, the further you go back the more cultures have a claim on this land. The region was invaded and taken over and held seemingly dozens of times. And IIRC, the arabic cultures were the outsiders that came late to the party, relatively speaking.

It is no longer what really happened that matters to these people, all the groups involved claim this as their holy land, given to them by God, and that God has told them to wipe out anyone who tries to take it from them.

It is a fable to me, anyway, but it is the foundation of their existence to them.

by **kingstonlake** Wed 18 Oct 2023 - 8:34

Pretty much every “expert” is saying this fits the profile of a failed rocket launch.

by **DWags** Wed 18 Oct 2023 - 8:54

Trapper Gus wrote:
sεяεηιτλ wrote: meh, the further you go back the more cultures have a claim on this land. The region was invaded and taken over and held seemingly dozens of times. And IIRC, the arabic cultures were the outsiders that came late to the party, relatively speaking.

It is no longer what really happened that matters to these people, all the groups involved claim this as their holy land, given to them by God, and that God has told them to wipe out anyone who tries to take it from them.

It is a fable to me, anyway, but it is the foundation of their existence to them.

Yeah, this hatred is biblical. Which, of course, usually causes most wars. Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition.

by **Motown Spartan** Wed 18 Oct 2023 - 9:34

Religion is the leading cause of unnatural death in the history of mankind.

by AvgMSUJoe Wed 18 Oct 2023 - 9:41

kingstonlake wrote:Pretty much every “expert” is saying this fits the profile of a failed rocket launch.

Which, if true means hamas is launching attacks from hospitals... the "warnings" Israel gave in previous days were justified. (I suppose?)

What a fucking mess.

by AvgMSUJoe Wed 18 Oct 2023 - 9:45

Trapper Gus wrote:
AvgMSUJoe wrote:I think this is a simple land dispute as much as it is religion. Israel got it, Palestinians wanted it back. Israel kicked the ever living crap out of them and locked them in a corner. Fester for decades... and here we are.

In one narrative you are correct.

However, a narrative with greater power is the Jewish verses Islamic one regarding "God" giving each sect this land as "holy land"

When people are fighting for the basis of reality they will do and justify any action.

Right, but just like American politics, the "real" fight is much more simple then the "religious" fight.
Parties are using the "religious" aspects to rile up those who don't give a shit. If "god" didn't want you to have the land then maybe it's not worth dying over.

by **kingstonlake** Wed 18 Oct 2023 - 10:00

AvgMSUJoe wrote:
kingstonlake wrote:Pretty much every “expert” is saying this fits the profile of a failed rocket launch.
Which, if true means hamas is launching attacks from hospitals... the "warnings" Israel gave in previous days were justified. (I suppose?)

What a fucking mess.

If the audio released is authentic it was launch from a cemetery very close to the hospital. It fits the profile of Hamas cloaking offensive weapons in traditional safe zones.

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