Your Weekly Mass Shooting

I would like to say that - whether it's from Obama or Donald Trump or some confederate flag waving mouth breather, the whole "thoughts and prayers" thing is annoying as fuck.

I guess it's more annoying from people in power because that's usually all we get.

War on guns isn't the answer. Just like the war on drugs isnt. It's about mental health and stopping these acts before they are even thought about doing.

NigelUno wrote:

xsanguine wrote:

Well the government has established what sort of plants and plant materials you may own, also... they've assumed control over a great many things individuals can do, own, etc. It's ironic considering we're supposed to be a nation founded on freedom and liberty.

I can't even paint my house without getting the color approved.

Sounds like an HOA. Did you not read the contract before you agreed to their terms?

I have to ask the government permission to build a shed in my backyard. Not only that they insist I pay them for the pleasure of asking for permission.

Rocinante wrote:But if it prevented one a year, wouldn't it be worth it?

Can you guarantee this? Which rights are you asking all Americans to give up?

Rocinante wrote:Good, law-abiding, God fearing people like yourself would still be able to get your guns, but maybe one out of every 5 whack-job wouldn't.

Can you guarantee this? Who says I wouldn't end up on some mysterious list for arguing here? I've now forfeited my rights for a promise down the road? History says that's a rotten trade.

LooseGoose wrote:

Rocinante wrote:

They were "our citizens," bruh.

Thanks to Teddy Kennedy and 1965, yep.


jimgeraghty ‏@jimgeraghty 7m7 minutes ago
Really, some ISIS-minded bastard comes back from Saudi, kills Americans, and Hillary, Bernie and O'Malley blame America's gun owners.

Vaughn Sterling ‏@vplus 16m16 minutes ago
CNN BREAKING: Farook was in touch with more than one international terrorism subjects -@evanperez

Now Bob can carry on with blaming the NRA - facts be damned.

Honestly, his motivations, be damned. We all know that radical Islam is dangerous. The radical anti-abortionists are also dangerous, as are the radical weirdos that shoot up schools. I don't think the motivations of the shooters changes the argument much at all. If they were not citizens, it might. So I guess I don't see your point.

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:War on guns isn't the answer. Just like the war on drugs isnt. It's about mental health and stopping these acts before they are even thought about doing.

For mass shootings you're right. For terrorism there are other answers.

I'd love to have a flock of chickens. I'd like to have a lot of things, though...

LooseGoose wrote:

Rocinante wrote:But if it prevented one a year, wouldn't it be worth it?

Can you guarantee this?   Which rights are you asking all Americans to give up?

uh, none... duh.  The brown terrorist dude still got his ar-15, you could do the same.  

LooseGoose wrote:

Rocinante wrote:Good, law-abiding, God fearing people like yourself would still be able to get your guns, but maybe one out of every 5 whack-job wouldn't.

Can you guarantee this?   Who says I wouldn't end up on some mysterious list for arguing here?  I've now forfeited my rights for a promise down the road?   History says that's a rotten trade.

I mean... the brown guy got his... You'll be able to get yours... promise, okay?

LooseGoose wrote:

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:War on guns isn't the answer. Just like the war on drugs isnt. It's about mental health and stopping these acts before they are even thought about doing.

For mass shootings you're right. For terrorism there are other answers.

How will you administer this mental health, goose!? what rights will American citizens have to give up in order to be herded into FEMA mental health camps!? HUH!?!

Robert J Sakimano wrote:remember, there are more guns than people in the United States... and the patriotic gun enthusiasts think the problem is is "not enough guns".  

Pretty sure they think the issue is "Muzlems"...

I think it's the ideology in general, not the adherents... but the ideology certainly encourages radicalism based on what it is Muhammad actually demands in his holy texts. Quite an indepth debate about this over on Wells... I'm sure you can imagine that's been going =D

Rocinante wrote:

LooseGoose wrote:

For mass shootings you're right. For terrorism there are other answers.

How will you administer this mental health, goose!? what rights will American citizens have to give up in order to be herded into FEMA mental health camps!? HUH!?!

I'll leave that for professionals to propose not internet trolls.

Bob thinks we should be scared of the NRA - I think this is more frightening.

jimgeraghty ‏@jimgeraghty 39m39 minutes ago
FBI has nearly 1,000 active probes of suspected ISIS members & plots in US. But not those two in San Bernardino. http://bit.ly/1Iryy7B

Robert J Sakimano wrote:remember, there are more guns than people in the United States... and the patriotic gun enthusiasts think the problem is is "not enough guns".  

This is an obvious correlation/causation argument that I don't particularly subscribe to but I think it's an interesting stat, regardless.

There's 51% less violent crime now than there was in 1991, raw numbers not a ratio. In 1991 there were 253 million citizens and today there are 320 million citizens. There is also a lot more firearms today than there were in 1991.

You'd think more guns and more people would mean there's more crime, at least per ratio. But in fact raw crime (sounds dirty, I like it) has plummeted. It's cray-cray.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:what I do wish for would be that every single black/brown person in the United States not only joined the NRA but applied for a conceal carry permit... all at once.

Can you imagine the gun legislation that would be passed that night in the US House of Representatives?

According to statistics a large portion of them would not qualify.

Good thing bombs have been banned for a long time, we don't need to worry about those anymore.

Tom Winter ‏@Tom_Winter 7m7 minutes ago
NBC NEWS EXCLUSIVE: Attackers left behind a remote control bomb similar to Boston Bombing bombs at scene @REspositoNBC & @anblanx report

These were not your normal 20 something couple.

Don't know about the rest of you but my wife would have shot me if I hard seriously suggested going to a party at my workplace with her and both of us killing folks after dropping our first born daughter at a grandparent's home.

This guy had an axe to grind with his co-workers and it went from there.

xsanguine wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:remember, there are more guns than people in the United States... and the patriotic gun enthusiasts think the problem is is "not enough guns".  

This is an obvious correlation/causation argument that I don't particularly subscribe to but I think it's an interesting stat, regardless.

There's 51% less violent crime now than there was in 1991, raw numbers not a ratio. In 1991 there were 253 million citizens and today there are 320 million citizens. There is also a lot more firearms today than there were in 1991.

You'd think more guns and more people would mean there's more crime, at least per ratio. But in fact raw crime (sounds dirty, I like it) has plummeted. It's cray-cray.

I mean, the two things could be totally unrelated. That's the most likely answer actually. I find more of a link between crime and life not sucking ass, so it seems more likely that quality of life improvements have led to less crime. Cell phones didn't really exist so much back then. Now everyone has one. So, cell phones are responsible for the lack of crime. Thanks Obama phones!

GRR Spartan wrote:These were not your normal 20 something couple.

Don't know about the rest of you but my wife would have shot me if I hard seriously suggested going to a party at my workplace with her and both of us killing folks after dropping our first born daughter at a grandparent's home.

This guy had an axe to grind with his co-workers and it went from there.

Not only that but they had obviously been planning this. To have gobags already set and all of the necessarily equipment to carry out this sort of attack... booby trap bombs left at the house. It wasn't some random spur of the moment decision.

GRR Spartan wrote:These were not your normal 20 something couple.

Don't know about the rest of you but my wife would have shot me if I hard seriously suggested going to a party at my workplace with her and both of us killing folks after dropping our first born daughter at a grandparent's home.

This guy had an axe to grind with his co-workers and it went from there.

This wasn't anything to do with a workplace dispute. This was terrorism. You don't have a bomb making factory in your home if you just had an argument at work.

Travis of the Cosmos wrote:

xsanguine wrote:

This is an obvious correlation/causation argument that I don't particularly subscribe to but I think it's an interesting stat, regardless.

There's 51% less violent crime now than there was in 1991, raw numbers not a ratio. In 1991 there were 253 million citizens and today there are 320 million citizens. There is also a lot more firearms today than there were in 1991.

You'd think more guns and more people would mean there's more crime, at least per ratio. But in fact raw crime (sounds dirty, I like it) has plummeted. It's cray-cray.

I mean, the two things could be totally unrelated. That's the most likely answer actually. I find more of a link between crime and life not sucking ass, so it seems more likely that quality of life improvements have led to less crime. Cell phones didn't really exist so much back then. Now everyone has one. So, cell phones are responsible for the lack of crime. Thanks Obama phones!

Absolutely. And I'm no criminologist but I've never bought the argument that more guns makes a "safer" environment. However, I don't think it necessarily makes it more dangerous, either. I would argue that those statistics lends more credence to the latter than the former.

Jake Sherman ‏@JakeSherman 12m12 minutes ago
“All four guns were legally purchased,” San Bernardino police chief says. No criminal record

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So. Not a single proposal would have stopped these people from getting guns short of complete prohibition and confiscation.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

xsanguine wrote:

This is an obvious correlation/causation argument that I don't particularly subscribe to but I think it's an interesting stat, regardless.

There's 51% less violent crime now than there was in 1991, raw numbers not a ratio. In 1991 there were 253 million citizens and today there are 320 million citizens. There is also a lot more firearms today than there were in 1991.

You'd think more guns and more people would mean there's more crime, at least per ratio. But in fact raw crime (sounds dirty, I like it) has plummeted. It's cray-cray.

more guns.. clearly the answer.

I'm not for forcing less guns and I'm not for forcing more guns... that's up to the individual. But it does seem that more guns does not equal more violence. More people doesn't equal more violence, either.

LooseGoose wrote:Good thing bombs have been banned for a long time, we don't need to worry about those anymore.

Tom Winter ‏@Tom_Winter 7m7 minutes ago
NBC NEWS EXCLUSIVE: Attackers left behind a remote control bomb similar to Boston Bombing bombs at scene @REspositoNBC & @anblanx report

Loose - can you please stop posting things like this? It makes the thread even worse, if that is possible.

You're smart and mature enough to stop this whole "ban everything" bullshit.

NigelUno wrote:

LooseGoose wrote:Good thing bombs have been banned for a long time, we don't need to worry about those anymore.

Tom Winter ‏@Tom_Winter  7m7 minutes ago
NBC NEWS EXCLUSIVE: Attackers left behind a remote control bomb similar to Boston Bombing bombs at scene @REspositoNBC  & @anblanx report

Would you be in favor of expanding Homeland Security surveillance tactics?

With cause, perhaps. I'm not in favor of mass domestic spying without cause.

LooseGoose wrote:Jake Sherman ‏@JakeSherman 12m12 minutes ago
“All four guns were legally purchased,” San Bernardino police chief says. No criminal record

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So. Not a single proposal would have stopped these people from getting guns short of complete prohibition and confiscation.

I used to date a girl who's father made guns in his basement. First time I went to her house and spent the night with her in her room in the basement. I came out in the morning to see about 2 dozen guns that look like they were meant to be mounted on the top of a jeep... huge fucking things.

Even prohibition and confiscation won't do much except create a black market for machinists to get very rich like drug dealers.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:

Loose - can you please stop posting things like this? It makes the thread even worse, if that is possible.

You're smart and mature enough to stop this whole "ban everything" bullshit.

you're not trying to have a logical conversation with someone who blames females for being raped, are you?

And Bob turns jackass liar again.

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:

LooseGoose wrote:Good thing bombs have been banned for a long time, we don't need to worry about those anymore.

Tom Winter ‏@Tom_Winter 7m7 minutes ago
NBC NEWS EXCLUSIVE: Attackers left behind a remote control bomb similar to Boston Bombing bombs at scene @REspositoNBC & @anblanx report

Loose - can you please stop posting things like this? It makes the thread even worse, if that is possible.

You're smart and mature enough to stop this whole "ban everything" bullshit.

Well since they passed the background checks that's the only new law that would have prevented them from owning guns. Do you dispute that?

Robert J Sakimano wrote:ancillary observation.. where was the #BlueLivesMatter crowd last week when the patriotic gun enthusiast killed a bunch of people, including a police officer, at the baby parts mill... errr.. Planned Parenthood.. in Colorado?

You haven't followed that case well have you Bob?