AS MICHIGAN STATE ALUMS WE HAVE A FUCKING VOICE - WE SHOULD USE IT

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:Innocent as grabbing an ass?

SawGreen wrote:

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:Innocent as grabbing an ass?

I've had my ass grabbed. I considered it a compliment.

steveschneider wrote:I’m a share holder in Disney stock. Wonder if I can voice my dissent somehow? Anyone know anything about this type of shit?

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:

steveschneider wrote:I’m a share holder in Disney stock. Wonder if I can voice my dissent somehow? Anyone know anything about this type of shit?

What % of the company would it equal

gHost Spartan wrote:

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:Innocent as grabbing an ass?

Any unwanted touching is completely inappropriate but let's not pretend that grabbing a chick's ass at a party or something is not nearly as big of a deal as sticking your hand down her pants or inside her shirt.

gHost Spartan wrote:

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:
that really has nothing to do with what you said.

Whatever dude I'm not going to argue with you about it. My intent was simply that an unwanted touching is wrong but some instances are a lot worse than others.

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:I'm conflicted on it Goose. I agree with everything all of us are saying, agree that ESPN sucks a big dick and how shitty they've been. But I'm also at the same time a bit uncomfortable with the level of fight we're exhibiting and realize how it looks, and realize there is also some collateral damage that is being ignored. Don't get me wrong I'm engaging in it, too. But it doesn't sit perfectly with me. Hard to describe my feelings on it.

Cameron wrote:

Rocinante wrote:Let’s not lose sight of the fact that a woman feels as thought she was assaulted guys.

And? The case is currently under investigation, and the alleged perpetrator has not played a single second yet this season. If you know some details the rest of us don't, please share. I'm not sure what your point really is with this post.

But yeah, c'mon guys, let's not forget how awesome of a dude Roc is. He's a paragon of virtue, we should all strive to be more like him.

Other Teams Pursuing That wrote:No shit there are different levels of things. Thanks for dropping that knowledge bomb.

Well shit, if it’s popular on YouTube..

WhiteBoyHatcher wrote:I'm gonna be drunk a lot this week you guys. Take anything I say after say 7 pm with a huge grain of salt.

LooseGoose wrote:Both the News and Freep cut Murphy out of the Izzo conference they posted.

Chris Solari Verified account @chrissolari 9h9 hours ago
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ESPN's Dan Murphy asks if Izzo plans to address sexual assault issues before the end of the season. "I think my president has said a few things, I've said a few things. Right now, I'm just gonna focus in on my team. I'm not shunning anything."

LooseGoose wrote:Both the News and Freep cut Murphy out of the Izzo conference they posted.

Chris Solari Verified account @chrissolari 9h9 hours ago
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ESPN's Dan Murphy asks if Izzo plans to address sexual assault issues before the end of the season. "I think my president has said a few things, I've said a few things. Right now, I'm just gonna focus in on my team. I'm not shunning anything."

gHost Spartan wrote:

MiamiSpartan wrote:You guys seeing this shit from Kathy Redmond, about this article that she apparently wrote for the City Pulse in Lansing? I don't know how to embed. Apparently it's some scandal that Izzo knew about Appling and Payne (no shit, they were being investigated), and that they were moved out of the dorm before they were charged (normally, they only get moved out after they were charged...so yes, she's apparently complaining that MSU took measures above and beyond what is normal to shield the accuser from the accused). Oh yeah, and that they twice ate in Wonders during a period when they were told not to go into Wonders. And that horrible monster, Izzo, apparently let Appling and Payne suit up and play in games for MSU while this investigation was going on (you know, all those basketball games in late August/early September).

Here's the main tweet. She also posted photos of the other pages of the article.
https://twitter.com/kathyredmond/status/966347414633250816

She actually inspired me to tweet her. My first ever tweets...at least from this, the twitter account I dedicate to following MSU, but rarely actually use.

Did you see my response?

MiamiSpartan wrote:You guys seeing this shit from Kathy Redmond, about this article that she apparently wrote for the City Pulse in Lansing?  I don't know how to embed.  Apparently it's some scandal that Izzo knew about Appling and Payne (no shit, they were being investigated), and that they were moved out of the dorm before they were charged (normally, they only get moved out after they were charged...so yes, she's apparently complaining that MSU took measures above and beyond what is normal to shield the accuser from the accused).  Oh yeah, and that they twice ate in Wonders during a period when they were told not to go into Wonders.  And that horrible monster, Izzo, apparently let Appling and Payne suit up and play in games for MSU while this investigation was going on (you know, all those basketball games in late August/early September).

Here's the main tweet.  She also posted photos of the other pages of the article.
https://twitter.com/kathyredmond/status/966347414633250816

She actually inspired me to tweet her.  My first ever tweets...at least from this, the twitter account I dedicate to following MSU, but rarely actually use.

Hollis directed Haller to meet with Izzo and others about the allegations...."Mr. Haller met with Coach Izzo, the two male students and Assistant Basketball Coach (Mike) Garland to explain what the potential charges were, and how the criminal justice process worked, and to instruct the students to refrain from attending any social gathering and to have no contact with complainant,"
Zayko wrote.

The Office of Civil Rights investigation ultimately determined that while MSU's delay in instituting a Title IX investigation into the sexual assault allegation had contributed to a sexually hostile environment, the university handled the case appropriately, including the reassigment of the players to the apartment.

The criminal investigation was completed Sept. 2, when then Ingham County Proscutor Stuart Dunnings III decline to issue a warrant for the players arrest.

An outside investigator hired to conduct that review determined "by a preponderance of evidence" the university's sexual harrasment policies were not violated and evidence could determine whether the alleged assault was consensual.

Nordic wrote:

MiamiSpartan wrote:You guys seeing this shit from Kathy Redmond, about this article that she apparently wrote for the City Pulse in Lansing?  I don't know how to embed.  Apparently it's some scandal that Izzo knew about Appling and Payne (no shit, they were being investigated), and that they were moved out of the dorm before they were charged (normally, they only get moved out after they were charged...so yes, she's apparently complaining that MSU took measures above and beyond what is normal to shield the accuser from the accused).  Oh yeah, and that they twice ate in Wonders during a period when they were told not to go into Wonders.  And that horrible monster, Izzo, apparently let Appling and Payne suit up and play in games for MSU while this investigation was going on (you know, all those basketball games in late August/early September).

Here's the main tweet.  She also posted photos of the other pages of the article.
https://twitter.com/kathyredmond/status/966347414633250816

She actually inspired me to tweet her.  My first ever tweets...at least from this, the twitter account I dedicate to following MSU, but rarely actually use.

I read the screen shots.. Izzo was informed of the allegations (how is this a bad thing?).. Players were moved. A deviation from protocol, but they took extra measures (how is this a bad thing?). An investigation took place. No charges were filed and the DA said no crime was committed.

Besides the fact that she is wrong about Appling/Payne playing while the investigation was going on... it actually looks positive/things were handled correctly. Am I missing something here?

The emails show that Appling and Payne were moved without a hearing, violated the standing protocols of the university. Nothing in the documents explains why and exception was made.....

Later in the document, Zyako wrote that Goldblatt issued the order to move the students from Wonders Hall...."Given the severity of the allegations against the male students, the university it was not appropriate for them to remain in the residence hall system pending investigation.."

Both players continued to dress in the Spartan uniform and participate in games. This despite Izzo's (sic) being fully briefed on the allegations and the investigation....

MiamiSpartan wrote:

According to her tweets, the only reason that the prosecutor said no crime was committed is because he was "vulnerable", supported by the fact that he's now in prison.  Yes, she said that.  What's worse is what other tweets of her's strongly implied, basically suggesting that even though Dunning's crimes would not come out for years, Don Izzo and his merry band of henchmen knew about them and used them as leverage, essentially blackmailing Dunnings to dump this case.
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That conflict of interest has been apparent at numerous schools in recent years. Cases at Oregon, Michigan State and elsewhere have drawn scrutiny, as reports have shown that administrators and coaches allowed players under investigation for sexual assault to keep competing.

As these cases have become more frequent in recent years, and as the #Metoo movement has brought greater awareness to sexual harassment and assault, more schools are being scrutinized for the choices they’ve made. Michigan State basketball coach Tom Izzo is under fire for allowing Adreian Payne and Keith Appling to compete while they were being investigated in 2008. (Neither player was charged with a crime or ever found responsible for wrongdoing by the school.)

LooseGoose wrote:Dana O'Neil drops another false bomb on Izzo at the Athletic and of course Vaninni re-tweeted it.. I've been in her twitter telling her she was wrong to rely on Paula.

https://theathletic.com/264135/2018/03/07/title-ix-probes-pose-conflicts-of-interest-but-coaches-and-athletic-department-officials-must-stand-aside/

That conflict of interest has been apparent at numerous schools in recent years. Cases at Oregon, Michigan State and elsewhere have drawn scrutiny, as reports have shown that administrators and coaches allowed players under investigation for sexual assault to keep competing.

Not only wrong on them playing but off on the year by 2 years....this was 2010 not 2008.

As these cases have become more frequent in recent years, and as the #Metoo movement has brought greater awareness to sexual harassment and assault, more schools are being scrutinized for the choices they’ve made. Michigan State basketball coach Tom Izzo is under fire for allowing Adreian Payne and Keith Appling to compete while they were being investigated in 2008. (Neither player was charged with a crime or ever found responsible for wrongdoing by the school.)

LooseGoose wrote:Dana O'Neil drops another false bomb on Izzo at the Athletic and of course Vaninni re-tweeted it.. I've been in her twitter telling her she was wrong to rely on Paula.

https://theathletic.com/264135/2018/03/07/title-ix-probes-pose-conflicts-of-interest-but-coaches-and-athletic-department-officials-must-stand-aside/

That conflict of interest has been apparent at numerous schools in recent years. Cases at Oregon, Michigan State and elsewhere have drawn scrutiny, as reports have shown that administrators and coaches allowed players under investigation for sexual assault to keep competing.

Not only wrong on them playing but off on the year by 2 years....this was 2010 not 2008.

As these cases have become more frequent in recent years, and as the #Metoo movement has brought greater awareness to sexual harassment and assault, more schools are being scrutinized for the choices they’ve made. Michigan State basketball coach Tom Izzo is under fire for allowing Adreian Payne and Keith Appling to compete while they were being investigated in 2008. (Neither player was charged with a crime or ever found responsible for wrongdoing by the school.)

SawGreen wrote:

LooseGoose wrote:Dana O'Neil drops another false bomb on Izzo at the Athletic and of course Vaninni re-tweeted it..   I've been in her twitter telling her she was wrong to rely on Paula.

https://theathletic.com/264135/2018/03/07/title-ix-probes-pose-conflicts-of-interest-but-coaches-and-athletic-department-officials-must-stand-aside/



Not only wrong on them playing but off on the year by 2 years....this was 2010 not 2008.

Sunnova... sorry man.  But, I think people should be allowed to go on living when they are accused.  If charges and convictions come, that's payback.  What the fuck world would we have if folks have to shut down when somebody accuses them of something?  "You're a racist!!"... sorry boss, I can't come to work because somebody called me a racist.

I sure hope this pendulum has reached its apex.

coaches allowed players under investigation for sexual assault to keep competing

steveschneider wrote:We should create an army of twitter bots to spam ESPN related articles with all of the scandals they’ve had recently.

LooseGoose wrote:Dana O'Neil drops another false bomb on Izzo at the Athletic and of course Vaninni re-tweeted it..   I've been in her twitter telling her she was wrong to rely on Paula.

https://theathletic.com/264135/2018/03/07/title-ix-probes-pose-conflicts-of-interest-but-coaches-and-athletic-department-officials-must-stand-aside/

That conflict of interest has been apparent at numerous schools in recent years. Cases at Oregon, Michigan State and elsewhere have drawn scrutiny, as reports have shown that administrators and coaches allowed players under investigation for sexual assault to keep competing.

Not only wrong on them playing but off on the year by 2 years....this was 2010 not 2008.

As these cases have become more frequent in recent years, and as the #Metoo movement has brought greater awareness to sexual harassment and assault, more schools are being scrutinized for the choices they’ve made. Michigan State basketball coach Tom Izzo is under fire for allowing Adreian Payne and Keith Appling to compete while they were being investigated in 2008. (Neither player was charged with a crime or ever found responsible for wrongdoing by the school.)

MiamiSpartan wrote:

LooseGoose wrote:Dana O'Neil drops another false bomb on Izzo at the Athletic and of course Vaninni re-tweeted it.. I've been in her twitter telling her she was wrong to rely on Paula.

https://theathletic.com/264135/2018/03/07/title-ix-probes-pose-conflicts-of-interest-but-coaches-and-athletic-department-officials-must-stand-aside/



Not only wrong on them playing but off on the year by 2 years....this was 2010 not 2008.

Good lord, is she referencing the Lansing Pulse story that said that Izzo kept playing Payne and Appling while they were being investigated...an investigation that lasted from August 30th to September 2nd...and these were basketball players that Izzo kept playing in games at that time, right?

This is where the outright lies really fucking get to me. At best, they're referring to the Title IX investigation that went until November and December. But then fucking say that, if that's what you're referring to. It's the same shit that the OTL piece did in so many places, saying something that is missing important facts and important context, and therefore creating a completely false interpretation.