Re: Gretchen Whitmer?

by RQA Sat 21 May 2022 - 9:06

PennSpartan wrote:
RQA wrote:

From Penn's link:

Challenges remain for Biden to match Reagan's economic record.

Thanks for posting a link that reminds us of what a great president Reagan was.
It will be a challenge to get to the double digit unemployment Trump had.

I'm sure Biden is up to the job. After all look what he did to Trump's gas prices and Trump's stock market and Trump's low inflation. Not to mention increasing COVID deaths by 50%. Oh, and leading us into a recession.

by PennSpartan Sat 21 May 2022 - 9:07

RQA wrote:
InTenSity wrote:Isn't a recession like 2 consecutive quarters of negative gdp? Have we even had 1 quarter of negative gdp, yet?

Despite Penn's attempt at propaganda, the answer to your second question is "Yes". Q1 GDP growth was negative.

Given the horrible reports from Walmart and Target this week it is a good bet the Q2 GDP growth will also be negative (although democrats will try very hard to fudge the numbers like they did with the census) therefore fulfilling the definition of a recession you gave rhetorically in your first question.

It is far more likely than not that we are currently in a recession.

Far more likely? You said we ARE in a recession. You are the only one that has said that.

by PennSpartan Sat 21 May 2022 - 9:11

RQA wrote:
PennSpartan wrote:
It will be a challenge to get to the double digit unemployment Trump had.

I'm sure Biden is up to the job. After all look what he did to Trump's gas prices and Trump's stock market and Trump's low inflation. Not to mention increasing COVID deaths by 50%. Oh, and leading us into a recession.

Someone has forgotten about Trumpvirus again. Low gas prices? Everyone was home instead of traveling. Low inflation? The shelves were empty during Trumpvirus. Hard for prices to go up when you can’t buy anything. More deaths? Trump was only President for 11 months of Trumpvirus. Do you ever do any critical thinking?

by RQA Sat 21 May 2022 - 9:16

PennSpartan wrote:
RQA wrote:

Despite Penn's attempt at propaganda, the answer to your second question is "Yes". Q1 GDP growth was negative.

Given the horrible reports from Walmart and Target this week it is a good bet the Q2 GDP growth will also be negative (although democrats will try very hard to fudge the numbers like they did with the census) therefore fulfilling the definition of a recession you gave rhetorically in your first question.

It is far more likely than not that we are currently in a recession.
Far more likely? You said we ARE in a recession. You are the only one that has said that.

Q1 gave us negative GDP.

We are now in Q2. If Q2 GDP is negative than we are in a recession. Get it? (Probably not)

by RQA Sat 21 May 2022 - 9:18

PennSpartan wrote: Hard for prices to go up when you can’t buy anything.

My God you are stupid!

Prices go UP when product is scarce.

by PennSpartan Sat 21 May 2022 - 9:21

RQA wrote:
PennSpartan wrote: Hard for prices to go up when you can’t buy anything.

My God you are stupid!

Prices go UP when product is scarce.

Wrong. Prices go up when there is high demand. Prices go down with low demand. You are dumb as fuck.

by **kingstonlake** Sat 21 May 2022 - 10:37

What if I told you first qtr profits for Chevron, Exxon, BP, and Shell were up 300% over first qtr last year? What if I told you shell had the best qtr in their history. What if I told you Chevron and Exxon has their best qtr in the last 10 years. I mean, it wouldn’t be price gouging would it? Nah. Couldn’t be. If only the house could introduce a bill to address that and every single Republican could vote against that bill

Oh wait….

by **Trapper Gus** Sat 21 May 2022 - 12:03

kingstonlake wrote:What if I told you first qtr profits for Chevron, Exxon, BP, and Shell were up 300% over first qtr last year? What if I told you shell had the best qtr in their history. What if I told you Chevron and Exxon has their best qtr in the last 10 years. I mean, it wouldn’t be price gouging would it? Nah. Couldn’t be. If only the house could introduce a bill to address that and every single Republican could vote against that bill

Oh wait….

Penn is quoting free market dogma, but the markets do not have enough independent sellers to meet the requirements to be free markets.

Too few sellers mean it is a sellers market and they set the prices for almost all levels of demand.

by PennSpartan Sat 21 May 2022 - 13:26

Trapper Gus wrote:
kingstonlake wrote:What if I told you first qtr profits for Chevron, Exxon, BP, and Shell were up 300% over first qtr last year? What if I told you shell had the best qtr in their history. What if I told you Chevron and Exxon has their best qtr in the last 10 years. I mean, it wouldn’t be price gouging would it? Nah. Couldn’t be. If only the house could introduce a bill to address that and every single Republican could vote against that bill

Oh wait….

Penn is quoting free market dogma, but the markets do not have enough independent sellers to meet the requirements to be free markets.

Too few sellers mean it is a sellers market and they set the prices for almost all levels of demand.

I’m “quoting” common knowledge of anyone who has been in sales. If you have a widget that nobody wants, you won’t sell it by raising prices. If you have a widget everyone wants (think Super Bowl tickets), you can keep raising prices until demand drops off. I can promise you gas prices would go down if people stopped driving (like 2020).

by **Trapper Gus** Sat 21 May 2022 - 15:31

PennSpartan wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:

Penn is quoting free market dogma, but the markets do not have enough independent sellers to meet the requirements to be free markets.

Too few sellers mean it is a sellers market and they set the prices for almost all levels of demand.
I’m “quoting” common knowledge of anyone who has been in sales. If you have a widget that nobody wants, you won’t sell it by raising prices. If you have a widget everyone wants (think Super Bowl tickets), you can keep raising prices until demand drops off. I can promise you gas prices would go down if people stopped driving (like 2020).

Energy is the driving force of all economic activity. They have the power to force everyone to pay all that they have while providing no greater value than what they provided at lower prices.

It is a social convention, not a law of supply & demand.

by PennSpartan Sat 21 May 2022 - 15:38

Trapper Gus wrote:
PennSpartan wrote:
I’m “quoting” common knowledge of anyone who has been in sales. If you have a widget that nobody wants, you won’t sell it by raising prices. If you have a widget everyone wants (think Super Bowl tickets), you can keep raising prices until demand drops off. I can promise you gas prices would go down if people stopped driving (like 2020).

Energy is the driving force of all economic activity. They have the power to force everyone to pay all that they have while providing no greater value than what they provided at lower prices.

It is a social convention, not a law of supply & demand.

You were correct until your last line. They definitely would be forced to lower prices if people stopped buying. If most people started driving EV’s tomorrow the price of gas would go through the floor.

by **Trapper Gus** Sat 21 May 2022 - 15:45

PennSpartan wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:

Energy is the driving force of all economic activity. They have the power to force everyone to pay all that they have while providing no greater value than what they provided at lower prices.

It is a social convention, not a law of supply & demand.
You were correct until your last line. They definitely would be forced to lower prices if people stopped buying. If most people started driving EV’s tomorrow the price of gas would go through the floor.

It is hard for anyone inside a sandbox to understand that everything is not sand. Same thing with most social conventions, such as "the law of supply and demand", which is a social convention most of us have agreed to follow and not a universal truth. There are still some groups, triblal hunter gatherers mostly, who don't follow it at all.

by PennSpartan Sat 21 May 2022 - 15:57

Trapper Gus wrote:
PennSpartan wrote:
You were correct until your last line. They definitely would be forced to lower prices if people stopped buying. If most people started driving EV’s tomorrow the price of gas would go through the floor.

It is hard for anyone inside a sandbox to understand that everything is not sand. Same thing with most social conventions, such as "the law of supply and demand", which is a social convention most of us have agreed to follow and not a universal truth. There are still some groups, triblal hunter gatherers mostly, who don't follow it at all.

I have no idea what you are talking about. Lower the demand and gas prices will go down. Either with EV’s, more fuel efficient cars, or less driving. Period.

by **Trapper Gus** Sat 21 May 2022 - 16:32

PennSpartan wrote:
Trapper Gus wrote:

It is hard for anyone inside a sandbox to understand that everything is not sand. Same thing with most social conventions, such as "the law of supply and demand", which is a social convention most of us have agreed to follow and not a universal truth. There are still some groups, triblal hunter gatherers mostly, who don't follow it at all.
I have no idea what you are talking about. Lower the demand and gas prices will go down. Either with EV’s, more fuel efficient cars, or less driving. Period.

I would say that is because you and others are in the sandbox and cannot conceive of other possible systems.

by **Motown Spartan** Thu 2 Jun 2022 - 16:49

Can't believe how shitty this is for Michigan.

by **GRR Spartan** Thu 2 Jun 2022 - 17:04

GM’s decision to build the 2nd generation Chevy Bolt in its Orion assembly plant is just as devastating.

by **Robert J Sakimano** Thu 2 Jun 2022 - 18:46

Big Gretch driving the women-hatin' misogynistic patriots insane one successful economic windfall at a time.

by **Floyd Robertson** Tue 22 Nov 2022 - 13:16

Gretch held a contest to name the turkey she pardoned on 11/21. The winner's name was "Mitch E. Gander" , but I think some of these runner-ups were better Gretchen Whitmer? - Page 16 502811600

• Tahquamenon Tom (Kerry Quick, Chesterfield and Ben Schultz, Ann Arbor, 6th grade)
• Otto Moe Beel (David Tomczyk, Ann Arbor)
• Turcules (“like Hercules with a T”) (Jack Neely, Brighton, 5th grade)
• Ryan Gobbling (Christian Hurkmans, Ishpeming, 11th grade)
• Simon Fowl (Jennifer Eccleton, Taylor)
• Lynyrd (Dorothy Rosentreter, Chelsea, and Mike Dotsch, Alpena)
• Mack E. Gnaw (The Hayes family: Kristin, Mike, Maddie, & Miles, from Cadillac)
• Roger Featherer (Joan Hanna Darrell, Kalamazoo)
• Steve Thighzerman (Sean Hickey, Ypsilanti)
• Tom Thanks (Sean Hickey, Ypsilanti and Elarose Etchison, Big Rapids, 4th grade)
• Teddy Roostavelt (Michelle Rondell, Manistee)

by **GRR Spartan** Mon 5 Dec 2022 - 21:26

Good News

Pfizer announces $750M expansion and 300 jobs at Portage MI facility

Thanks Whitmer

Pfizer to invest $750M in plant expansion creating 300 jobs

by msugolfguy Mon 5 Dec 2022 - 22:05

Floyd Robertson wrote:Gretch held a contest to name the turkey she pardoned on 11/21. The winner's name was "Mitch E. Gander" , but I think some of these runner-ups were better

• Tahquamenon Tom (Kerry Quick, Chesterfield and Ben Schultz, Ann Arbor, 6th grade)
• Otto Moe Beel (David Tomczyk, Ann Arbor)
• Turcules (“like Hercules with a T”) (Jack Neely, Brighton, 5th grade)
• Ryan Gobbling (Christian Hurkmans, Ishpeming, 11th grade)
• Simon Fowl (Jennifer Eccleton, Taylor)
• Lynyrd (Dorothy Rosentreter, Chelsea, and Mike Dotsch, Alpena)
• Mack E. Gnaw (The Hayes family: Kristin, Mike, Maddie, & Miles, from Cadillac)
• Roger Featherer (Joan Hanna Darrell, Kalamazoo)
• Steve Thighzerman (Sean Hickey, Ypsilanti)
• Tom Thanks (Sean Hickey, Ypsilanti and Elarose Etchison, Big Rapids, 4th grade)
• Teddy Roostavelt (Michelle Rondell, Manistee)

Man, these are funny.

by **Trapper Gus** Tue 6 Dec 2022 - 7:52

GRR Spartan wrote:Good News

Pfizer announces $750M expansion and 300 jobs at Portage MI facility

Thanks Whitmer

Pfizer to invest $750M in plant expansion creating 300 jobs

That is the plant that makes the covid vaccines, right?

by **Motown Spartan** Tue 6 Dec 2022 - 7:55

Would bang.

by **Floyd Robertson** Thu 5 Jan 2023 - 10:50

Axe files is a good podcast if you've never checked it out.

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by **Robert J Sakimano** Mon 6 Feb 2023 - 12:21

LANSING — Each Michigan tax filer would share in the state's record budget surplus by receiving a check for $180 under a proposal from Gov. Gretchen Whitmer and Democratic majority leaders in the House and Senate.

First of all, shout out to Gov. Whitmer for orchestrating a record budget surplus.

Secondly, I look forward to the anti-socialism misogynists to send their government check back.

Caution: Mainstream Media Link

This is yet another reason to vote for Democrats. Gretchen Whitmer? - Page 16 969504605

by **Trapper Gus** Mon 6 Feb 2023 - 12:28

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
LANSING — Each Michigan tax filer would share in the state's record budget surplus by receiving a check for $180 under a proposal from Gov. Gretchen Whitmer and Democratic majority leaders in the House and Senate.
First of all, shout out to Gov. Whitmer for orchestrating a record budget surplus.

Secondly, I look forward to the anti-socialism misogynists to send their government check back.

Caution: Mainstream Media Link

This is yet another reason to vote for Democrats.

The Republicans say it is not enough. Bless their hearts!

by **Robert J Sakimano** Mon 6 Feb 2023 - 12:39

Trapper Gus wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:
First of all, shout out to Gov. Whitmer for orchestrating a record budget surplus.

Secondly, I look forward to the anti-socialism misogynists to send their government check back.

Caution: Mainstream Media Link

This is yet another reason to vote for Democrats.

The Republicans say it is not enough. Bless their hearts!

Well, they also wanted to kidnap and murder Gov. Whitmer, so...

by **Floyd Robertson** Mon 6 Feb 2023 - 12:43

Look, it's a nice gesture but I'm not sure how much relief $180 per tax filer actually provides. Put the surplus toward something that directly benefits the more economically-challenged or fix the damn roads.

by TravelinMan Mon 6 Feb 2023 - 12:46

Floyd Robertson wrote:Look, it's a nice gesture but I'm not sure how much relief $180 per tax filer actually provides. Put the surplus toward something that directly benefits the more economically-challenged or fix the damn roads.

Might be able to fill up your F150 and get a carton of eggs?

by **Travis of the Cosmos** Mon 6 Feb 2023 - 13:00

Trapper Gus wrote:
Robert J Sakimano wrote:
First of all, shout out to Gov. Whitmer for orchestrating a record budget surplus.

Secondly, I look forward to the anti-socialism misogynists to send their government check back.

Caution: Mainstream Media Link

This is yet another reason to vote for Democrats.

The Republicans say it is not enough. Bless their hearts!

They unanimously voted against $500 less than a year ago

by **Robert J Sakimano** Mon 6 Feb 2023 - 13:27

Floyd Robertson wrote:Look, it's a nice gesture but I'm not sure how much relief $180 per tax filer actually provides. Put the surplus toward something that directly benefits the more economically-challenged or fix the damn roads.

while I agree with you, it's a) a nice ancillary benefit from having a fiscally responsible governor and b) certainly more than the knuckle-dragging right would ever do for the average folks at home.

by AvgMSUJoe Mon 6 Feb 2023 - 14:08

The last time the right had total lame duck control and some money in the bank they decided this (among more stupid spending) was the best use of the money...
https://www.lansing.org/articles/post/heritage-hall-to-open-july-5-2022/
Had to keep the donors happy.

Rs should have no say in getting $ back to the peoples.

by **Turtleneck** Mon 6 Feb 2023 - 16:28

TravelinMan wrote:
Floyd Robertson wrote:Look, it's a nice gesture but I'm not sure how much relief $180 per tax filer actually provides. Put the surplus toward something that directly benefits the more economically-challenged or fix the damn roads.

Might be able to fill up your F150 and get a carton of eggs?

Don't buy a vehicle that you cannot afford to fuel up. Whatever happened to individual responsibility in this country? Oh yeah, it only applies to people of color. Sorry, I forgot.

by **GRR Spartan** Mon 6 Feb 2023 - 16:49

$180 pays someone’s home heating or electric bill for a month and that’s money that can be spent on fuel or groceries.

No state governor has control of fuel pricing or the massive outbreak of the flu virus that’s decimated egg producers.

by **Robert J Sakimano** Mon 6 Feb 2023 - 19:20

Turtleneck wrote:
TravelinMan wrote:

Might be able to fill up your F150 and get a carton of eggs?

Don't buy a vehicle that you cannot afford to fuel up. Whatever happened to individual responsibility in this country? Oh yeah, it only applies to people of color. Sorry, I forgot.

I do get a kick out of the "get government out of my life" patriots whining about having a car they can't afford to drive and blaming it on the government. Gretchen Whitmer? - Page 16 502811600

by **kingstonlake** Mon 6 Feb 2023 - 19:26

I plan on using my $185 to buy propane for my gas stove. If they’re still legal. Gretchen Whitmer? - Page 16 1494614055

by **GRR Spartan** Wed 8 Feb 2023 - 7:31

Charlotte MI plant to invest $16M / adding 680 jobs to build EV trucks

Thanks Whitmer

https://www.lansingstatejournal.com/story/news/local/2023/02/07/charlotte-company-announces-16m-expansion-adding-680-jobs/69881366007/

by **Trapper Gus** Thu 9 Feb 2023 - 8:03

Business incentives: $500 million per year
Whitmer wants to provide a permanent funding mechanism for the Strategic Outreach and Attraction Reserve Fund, a business incentive program she credits with helping the state land "transformational" projects like General Motors expanding in Lansing, Ford ramping up EV production in metro Detroit and Hemlock Semiconductor investing in Saginaw County.

Whitmer wants to put $500 million into the fund each year the state generates more than $1.3 billion in corporate income tax revenue, including during the current fiscal year that runs through the end of September.

The proposal will face opposition from Republicans, who contend that annual deposits would eliminate legislative oversight that was built into the business incentive program when it was approved with bipartisan support in 2021.

House Minority Leader Matt Hall, R-Richland Township, voted to create the fund, but his office said Wednesday that Whitmer wants to make it an "an unaccountable slush fund to offer huge payments to a few large corporations."

Hall instead is calling for a new research and development tax credit of up to $2 million to help businesses of any size "innovate" in Michigan. House Republicans are expected to introduce supporting legislation soon.

https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-government/what-michigan-gov-gretchen-whitmer-wants-fund-79b-budget

by **Floyd Robertson** Fri 26 May 2023 - 17:04

Bridge has done a few articles lately on the population problem facing Michigan, now Whitmer has plans.

Gov. Whitmer plans group to tackle Michigan’s population crisis

Over the last couple of years I've really been thinking about packing it in and moving up north year-round, but this population problem (and a housing crunch up there) have me wondering.

by **Robert J Sakimano** Fri 26 May 2023 - 19:52

Love seeing Big Gretch drive insecure white men absolutely insane.

by **Motown Spartan** Fri 26 May 2023 - 20:26

12/10 would bang

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