January 6th committee hearings

It's just a dog and pony show. The only hope is moderate Republicans, conservatives, and the racist insane wing of trump die hards cannibalize themselves or puke all over each other. Possibly Dems squeak out some for of control over the government. I'm Betting all three wings of the anti American crowd fall in line, though.

Jake from State Farm wrote:

kingstonlake wrote:Not that it matters anymore.

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Trump using a burner phone. No surprise there, although he might want to hope that the callers on the other end were using their burner phones too.

The thing is, if it's a burner phone, it can't be considered privileged or official business and records can be subpoenaed. FU Trump, not so smart.

Wow, just made a huge mistake and read some of the comments after that story. I can’t begin to wrap my mind around the fact that so many people actually fucking believe it was a set up that police let the protesters in, that the FBI was involved in it. I give Trump credit in that he tapped into the insane element in America, and he really made some hay out of it. But honestly, it frightens me to my core that our country is so fucking stupid. I always joke that I got maybe 20 years left, I’m happy that I won’t have to see  what’s going to happen to us. I’m old enough to remember when Russia shouldn’t be trusted and when you broke windows and killed cops at the nations capital it was a bad thing

Jake from State Farm wrote:

kingstonlake wrote:Not that it matters anymore.

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Trump using a burner phone. No surprise there, although he might want to hope that the callers on the other end were using their burner phones too.

The call logs only record who was called and how long the call took. Not what they talked about. The NSA & the phone companies keep that data on file for everyone, which is where the Congress is going to obtain it.

the corruption within the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator's Christian Emporium of Sexual Assault and Money Laundering make Watergate look like jaywalking.

It’s official. Republicans love despots and they will stop at nothing to control election outcomes to stay in power.

It is really interesting. Trump and the Republicans have gone so far past normal behavior that the country really isn't processing what they did and are doing.

Trapper Gus wrote:It is really interesting.  Trump and the Republicans have gone so far past normal behavior that the country really isn't processing what they did and are doing.

Political Stockholm syndrome

kingstonlake wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:It is really interesting.  Trump and the Republicans have gone so far past normal behavior that the country really isn't processing what they did and are doing.

Political Stockholm syndrome

There is no "there" there.

Once a decorum of belief in the Constitution and the United States creed are no longer held by most of the population the fall to social Armageddon has to follow. This is the goal of the handful of uber wealthy idiots.

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So, what's Trump's overall record in courts of law since November 3, 2020 at this point?  1-87 or so?




(I made up that number.  He was at least 1-40something in the challenges immediately following the election, but he's kept up his losing ways since leaving office. I haven't counted what his post-presidency losses are up to now, though).

this doesn't sound too good for the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator.

Judge finds Trump 'more likely than not' committed felony obstruction in effort to overturn election

The judge said Trump's former lawyer John Eastman must turn over documents.

Caution: Mainstream Media Link

also, nothing will happen to him because America is a stupid country.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:this doesn't sound too good for the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator.

Judge finds Trump 'more likely than not' committed felony obstruction in effort to overturn election

The judge said Trump's former lawyer John Eastman must turn over documents.

Caution: Mainstream Media Link

also, nothing will happen to him because America is a stupid country.

They're going to try and stall this until after the election and then like magic it will all disappear.

Jake from State Farm wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:this doesn't sound too good for the racist, bigoted christian sexual predator.



Caution: Mainstream Media Link

also, nothing will happen to him because America is a stupid country.

They're going to try and stall this until after the election and then like magic it will all disappear.

yep.

America is a stupid country and we get exactly what we deserve.

CBS News and the Washington Post have obtained White House records turned over to the House, which show a gap in President Donald Trump's phone logs of seven hours and 37 minutes on January 6.

Caution: Mainstream Media Link

also, nothing will happen to him because America is a stupid country.

Sort of like Nixion's 20-minute gap on steroids

Trump has a long history of ignoring judges and filing counter suit but its what portion of American voters want.

Every GOP primary for MI state legislature, Congress along with state wide elections for Sec of State, AG, Governor and US Senate's at least one candidate claiming they've been endorsed by Trump and others are still seeking Trump's endorsement.

Only met one face to face so far. I was polite and said I only had two questions;

Why Trump's 2016 win in MI was 10,704 votes with over 4.5M vote cast shouldn't be question but Biden's 2020 win with 154,188 votes with 5.45M votes cast isn't legitimate.

If you win in the primary and general elections will those results be legitimate?

Never got an answer but a programmed voter fraud response.

GRR Spartan wrote:Trump has a long history of ignoring judges and filing counter suit but its what portion of American voters want.

Every GOP primary for MI state legislature, Congress along with state wide elections for Sec of State, AG, Governor and US Senate's at least one candidate claiming they've been endorsed by Trump and others are still seeking Trump's endorsement.  

Only met one face to face so far.  I was polite and said I only had two questions;

Why Trump's 2016 win in MI was 10,704 votes with over 4.5M vote cast shouldn't be question but Biden's  2020  win with 154,188 votes with 5.45M votes cast isn't legitimate.

If you win in the primary and general elections will those results be legitimate?

Never got an answer but a programmed voter fraud response.

yep.

America is a stupid country.

GRR Spartan wrote:Trump has a long history of ignoring judges and filing counter suit but its what portion of American voters want.

Every GOP primary for MI state legislature, Congress along with state wide elections for Sec of State, AG, Governor and US Senate's at least one candidate claiming they've been endorsed by Trump and others are still seeking Trump's endorsement.  

Only met one face to face so far.  I was polite and said I only had two questions;

Why Trump's 2016 win in MI was 10,704 votes with over 4.5M vote cast shouldn't be question but Biden's  2020  win with 154,188 votes with 5.45M votes cast isn't legitimate.

If you win in the primary and general elections will those results be legitimate?

Never got an answer but a programmed voter fraud response.

No surprise that they are playing a part instead of have probity to the truth.  It is what politicians, mostly Republicans, do.

I once thought there were two parties with reasonable probity each, however Gingrich's antics in 1994 disabused me of that nativity, and I have voted straight Democratic ever since, not that the Democratic Party is full of angels, they are just better that the other choice.

edit - there are Republicans we can point to who are more honest, however, once in Congress, Party Trumps personal probity, so voting is a team sport and I know which team is better.

Trapper Gus wrote:

GRR Spartan wrote:Trump has a long history of ignoring judges and filing counter suit but its what portion of American voters want.

Every GOP primary for MI state legislature, Congress along with state wide elections for Sec of State, AG, Governor and US Senate's at least one candidate claiming they've been endorsed by Trump and others are still seeking Trump's endorsement.  

Only met one face to face so far.  I was polite and said I only had two questions;

Why Trump's 2016 win in MI was 10,704 votes with over 4.5M vote cast shouldn't be question but Biden's  2020  win with 154,188 votes with 5.45M votes cast isn't legitimate.

If you win in the primary and general elections will those results be legitimate?

Never got an answer but a programmed voter fraud response.

No surprise that they are playing a part instead of have probity to the truth.  It is what politicians, mostly Republicans, do.

I once thought there were two parties with reasonable probity each, however Gingrich's antics in 1994 disabused me of that nativity, and I have voted straight Democratic ever since, not that the Democratic Party is full of angels, they are just better that the other choice.

had someone tell me the other day "both sides are corrupt" and that he's sick Democrats and Republicans.

which, of course, means he's a Republican who says that out loud because he's under the impression that it will help him sleep at night.

I told him that Republicans literally want to end democracy while Democrats want to make sure people have equity within the democracy itself. He didn't like that answer which confirmed my suspicion about his true intentions.

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

No surprise that they are playing a part instead of have probity to the truth.  It is what politicians, mostly Republicans, do.

I once thought there were two parties with reasonable probity each, however Gingrich's antics in 1994 disabused me of that nativity, and I have voted straight Democratic ever since, not that the Democratic Party is full of angels, they are just better that the other choice.

had someone tell me the other day "both sides are corrupt" and that he's sick Democrats and Republicans.

which, of course, means he's a Republican who says that out loud because he's under the impression that it will help him sleep at night.

I told him that Republicans literally want to end democracy while Democrats want to make sure people have equity within the democracy itself. He didn't like that answer which confirmed my suspicion about his true intentions.

I disagree, Bob, but not specifically:

There are a number of people who seem to believe that they should get what they want if they elect someone, however government by popular vote has never worked that way. Self-government is controlled corruption and always has been.

Thus, anyone who wants an excuse for not voting themselves, or is corruptly trying to convince others not to vote so their side might win, certainly is right that both sides are corrupt. That is not a weakness in the system, it is the system.

However, all sides, in theory, are supposed to support the system. That is the part which is supposed to be above the fray. Basically the law & the Constitution.

I have seen just as many far-left posters complain about corruption as far-right posters, and both use it as an excuse to try to keep others from voting, which really is their point.

So, you probably have other clues in your specific case, however as a generalization I believe your statement is weak.

Trapper Gus wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
had someone tell me the other day "both sides are corrupt" and that he's sick Democrats and Republicans.

which, of course, means he's a Republican who says that out loud because he's under the impression that it will help him sleep at night.

I told him that Republicans literally want to end democracy while Democrats want to make sure people have equity within the democracy itself. He didn't like that answer which confirmed my suspicion about his true intentions.

I disagree, Bob, but not specifically:

There are a number of people who seem to believe that they should get what they want if they elect someone, however government by popular vote has never worked that way. Self-government is controlled corruption and always has been.

Thus, anyone who wants an excuse for not voting themselves, or is corruptly trying to convince others not to vote so their side might win, certainly is right that both sides are corrupt. That is not a weakness in the system, it is the system.

However, all sides, in theory, are supposed to support the system. That is the part which is supposed to be above the fray. Basically the law & the Constitution.

I have seen just as many far-left posters complain about corruption as far-right posters, and both use it as an excuse to try to keep others from voting, which really is their point.

So, you probably have other clues in your specific case, however as a generalization I believe your statement is weak.

oh, it's definitely weak and I'm a fucking idiot.

but, as I mentioned, until Democrats violently attempt to overthrow democracy while publicly opposing equal voting rights for all Americas, both sides aren't the same.

Trump I don't know what a burner phone is, I've never heard the term. Lol

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

I disagree, Bob, but not specifically:

There are a number of people who seem to believe that they should get what they want if they elect someone, however government by popular vote has never worked that way. Self-government is controlled corruption and always has been.

Thus, anyone who wants an excuse for not voting themselves, or is corruptly trying to convince others not to vote so their side might win, certainly is right that both sides are corrupt. That is not a weakness in the system, it is the system.

However, all sides, in theory, are supposed to support the system. That is the part which is supposed to be above the fray. Basically the law & the Constitution.

I have seen just as many far-left posters complain about corruption as far-right posters, and both use it as an excuse to try to keep others from voting, which really is their point.

So, you probably have other clues in your specific case, however as a generalization I believe your statement is weak.

oh, it's definitely weak and I'm a fucking idiot.

but, as I mentioned, until Democrats violently attempt to overthrow democracy while publicly opposing equal voting rights for all Americas, both sides aren't the same.

thus the overall issue I have with message boards, I cannot seem to make posts without hurting people's feelings...

my guess is that while these seem like facts to me they don't to others ...

sorry Bob.

Trapper Gus wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote: oh, it's definitely weak and I'm a fucking idiot.

but, as I mentioned, until Democrats violently attempt to overthrow democracy while publicly opposing equal voting rights for all Americas, both sides aren't the same.

thus the overall issue I have with message boards, I cannot seem to make posts without hurting people's feelings...

my guess is that while these seem like facts to me they don't to others ...

sorry Bob.

no worries, my dude - unlike some folks, I'm cool with disagreeing. I'm not gonna run to my cozy recliner in Mio.

message boards ain't for the fragile.    

Robert J Sakimano wrote:

Trapper Gus wrote:

No surprise that they are playing a part instead of have probity to the truth.  It is what politicians, mostly Republicans, do.

I once thought there were two parties with reasonable probity each, however Gingrich's antics in 1994 disabused me of that nativity, and I have voted straight Democratic ever since, not that the Democratic Party is full of angels, they are just better that the other choice.

had someone tell me the other day "both sides are corrupt" and that he's sick Democrats and Republicans.

which, of course, means he's a Republican who says that out loud because he's under the impression that it will help him sleep at night.

I told him that Republicans literally want to end democracy while Democrats want to make sure people have equity within the democracy itself. He didn't like that answer which confirmed my suspicion about his true intentions.

This is how I felt pre-2016. Though I wasn't a Republican, and would often not vote for either of the two parties for President (and in house/senate races, tended to vote for the party that did not hold the presidents' office).

But then a guy comes along that is so vile a human being that I couldn't look my then 10 year old daughter in the eye if I didn't actively oppose a guy that spoke of women and minorities the way he did (I was never going to vote FOR him, but I did have to vote for his closest opponent, not a third party).

That was before he chose the word of a dictator/murderer over his own intel people, tried to bribe an ally (who was at war against the aforementioned dictator/murderer) for political favors by with holding aid, and of course before he made a very real attempt to overthrow Democracy.

Now I'm not a Democrat or a Republican. I'm an anti-Trumpist. Which isn't just about Trump, butlt is about those other politicians that have bought into Trumpism, and supported (and continue to support) his anti-Democratic claims/efforts to overturn a free and fair election. In other words, seditionists.

MiamiSpartan wrote:

Robert J Sakimano wrote:
had someone tell me the other day "both sides are corrupt" and that he's sick Democrats and Republicans.

which, of course, means he's a Republican who says that out loud because he's under the impression that it will help him sleep at night.

I told him that Republicans literally want to end democracy while Democrats want to make sure people have equity within the democracy itself. He didn't like that answer which confirmed my suspicion about his true intentions.

This is how I felt pre-2016. Though I wasn't a Republican, and would often not vote for either of the two parties for President (and in house/senate races, tended to vote for the party that did not hold the presidents' office).

But then a guy comes along that is so vile a human being that I couldn't look my then 10 year old daughter in the eye if I didn't actively oppose a guy that spoke of women and minorities the way he did (I was never going to vote FOR him, but I did have to vote for his closest opponent, not a third party).

That was before he chose the word of a dictator/murderer over his own intel people, tried to bribe an ally (who was at war against the aforementioned dictator/murderer) for political favors by with holding aid, and of course before he made a very real attempt to overthrow Democracy.

Now I'm not a Democrat or a Republican. I'm an anti-Trumpist. Which isn't just about Trump, butlt is about those other politicians that have bought into Trumpism, and supported (and continue to support) his anti-Democratic claims/efforts to overturn a free and fair election. In other words, seditionists.

exactly.

aualum06 wrote:Trump I don't know what a burner phone is, I've never heard the term. Lol

He's never heard of golden showers either.

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Somebody could get in big trouble for this.

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Somebody could get in big trouble for this.

Good one.

Would RQA or someone like to offer a plausible explanation for why, contrary to law, there is no log of the then-President of the United States calling a serving member of the US Senate from an official, taxpayer-owned White House phone?

MiamiSpartan wrote:Would RQA or someone like to offer a plausible explanation for why, contrary to law, there is no log of the then-President of the United States calling a serving member of the US Senate from an official, taxpayer-owned White House phone?

Trump had the records destroyed?

Jake from State Farm wrote:

MiamiSpartan wrote:Would RQA or someone like to offer a plausible explanation for why, contrary to law, there is no log of the then-President of the United States calling a serving member of the US Senate from an official, taxpayer-owned White House phone?

Trump had the records destroyed?

Law and order!!

The same reason they still think Hillary is a criminal, while multiple hearings by them couldn't find anything.

So Rick Perry denied ever sending ideas about overturning the election to Trump's team, except he signed a text message "Rick Perry" from his phone number to Mark Meadows with those very ideas.

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Those texts also revealed that MTG doesn't know the difference between Martial Law and Marshall Law

Floyd Robertson wrote:Those texts also revealed that MTG doesn't know the difference between Martial Law and Marshall Law

there is a reason why Republicans demonize education.. they know that the more stupid America is, the more likely they are to influence America.

Peter Navarro on his indictment. I shouldn't be convicted because it could mean a year in prison. Since I'm 76 and my life expectancy is 80 that would be 1/4 of my life.

Jake from State Farm wrote:Peter Navarro on his indictment. I shouldn't be convicted because it could mean a year in prison. Since I'm 76 and my life expectancy is 80 that would be 1/4 of my life.

His family should seek to get him declared incompetent before trial and use his own statement that only a living former recent president can enforce laws.

Oopsie

https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/local/2022/06/09/fbi-arrests-republican-candidate-for-michigan-gov-ryan-kelley/?outputType=amp